Re: Top Posting (read up)

[Steve R]

Please, sir, where does Dan Knight, List Mom, on his updated 
2008.02.15 webpage, continue to insist that bottom posting is the 
only way to post? See content of that page below the link you posted.

Kyle, I wish you no ill -- perhaps it was when you resigned from 
being List Nanny that Dan Knight, List Mom, posted to all lists 
saying that the 'banned for top posting' rule was no longer being 
enforced because Apple Mail even had its default for top posting. 
Just in the past week, someone reposted Dan Knight's email complete 
with headers to verify validity of the email. Dan Knight's email said 
bottom posting was preferred however it was up to the individual 
poster to determine how best to reply.

Surely, Dan Knight's email can be found in the archive.

Steve R

At 10:54 PM -0700 6/12/09, Kyle Hansen posted:

  http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml


Netiquette for Email Lists
updated 2008.02.15


There are informal rules of Internet communication which are termed 
netiquette to help people use proper etiquette within forums and 
email groups. Some examples of poor netiquette are not signing 
messages, sending unsubscribe messages to the posting address 
(instead of the administrative address), or TYPING IN ALL CAPS (which 
is the equivalent of yelling).

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Remember that replies automatically go to the list, not the just the 
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respond to an individual. (Some other lists, such as Mac-Mgrs and the 
Low End Mac Swap list, work just the opposite way. On those lists, a 
reply goes to the original sender by default, not to the list.) Never 
post private (off-list) correspondence to the list without the 
permission of the sender.

Please quote only the relevant portion of messages you respond to - 
and please quote some of the original message so others know what 
you're responding to.

Mom and the nannies are watching. The list managers (the List Owner 
or mom and List Managers or nannies) have the right to remove 
posting privileges or ban anyone from the list for vulgarity, 
trolling, flaming, name calling, threats, or other behavior 
detrimental to this online community. They also have the right to 
switch you to moderated mode* for continued violations of the list 
rules and netiquette; this could escalate to blocking or banning if 
the infractions continue.

Never send attachments to the list. An attachment may contain a 
virus, may be in a format others cannot use, may not make it through 
some mail gateways, makes the message bigger, and could bog down both 
the list server and the mail server.

Don't send styled text or HTML files; only send plain text. Styled 
text may or may not come through as an attachment, but it is very 
difficult to read with a plain text email client. Google Groups will 
accept styled text and attachments, and this can result in garbled 
digests.

Style your posting - ASCII style.

Please keep me too messages off the list; these are best sent 
privately, if at all.

Never send test messages to the list. Test when you have something to 
say to the list by saying it, not by sending a test message.

Please avoid cross posting - sending the same message to several 
lists at the same time. Pick the list most likely to help, post 
there, and if you don't find what you need in that forum within a day 
or so, try another list.

Let sleeping threads lie. If it's been over a week since the last 
posting in a thread, consider it dead and buried.

When asking a question, please list relevant information regarding 
hardware, software, and version of the Mac OS involved.

Change the subject line when the subject of the thread changes. If 
you don't do that, Google Groups will thread it with the old subject.

When responding to a digest post, be sure to change the subject to 
match that of the original message.

Signature lines
* Signature blocks (sigs) are considered personal expression as long 
as the poster's name comes between the body of the message and the 
sig.
* Please keep your signature concise. Six lines or less is best. Ten 
or more is excessive.
* Many email clients wrap text at 80 characters or less (sometimes as 
little as 72); check that your signature doesn't wrap badly because 
of this.
* Taglines should be clearly separated from the body of the email and 
should come after your name.
* Avoid vulgar and offensive taglines.

Don't use PGP encryption on your messages. A lot of people (probably 
most) can't even use it.

Disclaimers and authentication. Please don't include corporate 
disclaimers or PGP authentication when posting to the list.

Treat your list neighbor as you wish to be treated. Address breaches 
of netiquette privately, not on the list. Assume the best, not the 
worst. And please notify List Mom if things seem to be getting out of 
hand.

Although 

Re: Top Posting (read up)

[Steve R]

I have no idea if this link to the thread where Dan Knight's email 
will work for everyone but here it is:

http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/browse_thread/thread/45e9e03c53a8d137/11fa9db6753421a0?lnk=gstq=top+posting#11fa9db6753421a0

Steve R

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Re: Top Posting (read up)

[Kris Tilford]

On Jun 13, 2009, at 1:52 AM, Steve R wrote:

 I have no idea if this link to the thread where Dan Knight's email
 will work for everyone but here it is:

 http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/browse_thread/thread/45e9e03c53a8d137/11fa9db6753421a0?lnk=gstq=top+posting#11fa9db6753421a0
  
 

The link worked perfectly for me.

Top posting is still poor netiquette.

My preferred order:

Best:   Interleaved post w/edited contextual quotes
Better: Bottom post w/contextual quoting
Acceptable: Top post w/contextual quoting
Worse:  Post without contextual quoting
Worst:  Post off topic or hijack a thread

Why be acceptable rather than best?

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Re: Top Posting (read up)

[Peter]

On Jun 13, 2009, at 1:54 AM, Kyle Hansen wrote:


 Hello,

 I am a Nanny here at LEM.  We have some rules about posting in our  
 forums.
 One rule that gets looked over quite frequently is what is called ³top
 posting.²  We ask that you post your responses AFTER the text you are
 answering.  This is called ³bottom posting² and considered the polite
 Internet standard.  Naturally you should also trim out some of the
 non-essential information from the previous post as well.
 Kyle Hansen
 -- 
 LEM List Nanny


Some time ago (last year, I believe) it was established here on the  
list that top posting was ok. I can remember the that it was a lengthy  
discussion. Now we have changed that again and went back to bottom  
posting only?

Peter M.

  
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Re: Top Posting (read up)

[James E. Therrault]

Um, this requirement went away quite some time ago...

JT




Kyle Hansen wrote:

 Hello,
  
 I am a Nanny here at LEM.  We have some rules about posting in our forums.
 One rule that gets looked over quite frequently is what is called ³top
 posting.²  We ask that you post your responses AFTER the text you are
 answering.  This is called ³bottom posting² and considered the polite
 Internet standard.  Naturally you should also trim out some of the
 non-essential information from the previous post as well.  Here is a snippet
 of the rules that you read when you signed up for these lists:
  
 http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml
  
 Thanks for your understanding.  You will be warned first, then temp banned
 and then banned from the list if you don¹t follow the few rules we ask you
 to follow.  Usually we will ban you or moderate you (so your post has to be
 approved by a nanny before it will hit the list) then temporarily ban you
 (usually 72 hours), and then if you still don¹t ³get it² you will just be
 banned from the listŠ.which we really do not want to do.  So please take the
 few extra seconds and trim your posts then post your response at the bottom.
 Not only is it polite, it is a requirement of our lists.  Some threads get
 really hard to follow if you ³top post.²
  
 We have posted several warnings.  The warnings are going to stop and then
 bans are going to begin.  It is not that difficult to trim a post and then
 reply in the natural fashion which is below the quoted text.
 
 Thank you again for your understanding.
  
 Kyle Hansen


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Re: Top Posting (read up)

[Lana]

Please take me off this list.
- Original Message - 
From: Steve R mailing.lists.2...@gmail.com
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: Top Posting (read up)



 Please, sir, where does Dan Knight, List Mom, on his updated
 2008.02.15 webpage, continue to insist that bottom posting is the
 only way to post? See content of that page below the link you posted.

 Kyle, I wish you no ill -- perhaps it was when you resigned from
 being List Nanny that Dan Knight, List Mom, posted to all lists
 saying that the 'banned for top posting' rule was no longer being
 enforced because Apple Mail even had its default for top posting.
 Just in the past week, someone reposted Dan Knight's email complete
 with headers to verify validity of the email. Dan Knight's email said
 bottom posting was preferred however it was up to the individual
 poster to determine how best to reply.

 Surely, Dan Knight's email can be found in the archive.

 Steve R

 At 10:54 PM -0700 6/12/09, Kyle Hansen posted:

  http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml


 Netiquette for Email Lists
 updated 2008.02.15


 There are informal rules of Internet communication which are termed
 netiquette to help people use proper etiquette within forums and
 email groups. Some examples of poor netiquette are not signing
 messages, sending unsubscribe messages to the posting address
 (instead of the administrative address), or TYPING IN ALL CAPS (which
 is the equivalent of yelling).

 The Internet is a dynamic environment and netiquette evolves over time.

 Some rules for the Low End Mac family of mail lists:

 Remember that replies automatically go to the list, not the just the
 person who posted the message. You need to change the To: address to
 respond to an individual. (Some other lists, such as Mac-Mgrs and the
 Low End Mac Swap list, work just the opposite way. On those lists, a
 reply goes to the original sender by default, not to the list.) Never
 post private (off-list) correspondence to the list without the
 permission of the sender.

 Please quote only the relevant portion of messages you respond to -
 and please quote some of the original message so others know what
 you're responding to.

 Mom and the nannies are watching. The list managers (the List Owner
 or mom and List Managers or nannies) have the right to remove
 posting privileges or ban anyone from the list for vulgarity,
 trolling, flaming, name calling, threats, or other behavior
 detrimental to this online community. They also have the right to
 switch you to moderated mode* for continued violations of the list
 rules and netiquette; this could escalate to blocking or banning if
 the infractions continue.

 Never send attachments to the list. An attachment may contain a
 virus, may be in a format others cannot use, may not make it through
 some mail gateways, makes the message bigger, and could bog down both
 the list server and the mail server.

 Don't send styled text or HTML files; only send plain text. Styled
 text may or may not come through as an attachment, but it is very
 difficult to read with a plain text email client. Google Groups will
 accept styled text and attachments, and this can result in garbled
 digests.

 Style your posting - ASCII style.

 Please keep me too messages off the list; these are best sent
 privately, if at all.

 Never send test messages to the list. Test when you have something to
 say to the list by saying it, not by sending a test message.

 Please avoid cross posting - sending the same message to several
 lists at the same time. Pick the list most likely to help, post
 there, and if you don't find what you need in that forum within a day
 or so, try another list.

 Let sleeping threads lie. If it's been over a week since the last
 posting in a thread, consider it dead and buried.

 When asking a question, please list relevant information regarding
 hardware, software, and version of the Mac OS involved.

 Change the subject line when the subject of the thread changes. If
 you don't do that, Google Groups will thread it with the old subject.

 When responding to a digest post, be sure to change the subject to
 match that of the original message.

 Signature lines
 * Signature blocks (sigs) are considered personal expression as long
 as the poster's name comes between the body of the message and the
 sig.
 * Please keep your signature concise. Six lines or less is best. Ten
 or more is excessive.
 * Many email clients wrap text at 80 characters or less (sometimes as
 little as 72); check that your signature doesn't wrap badly because
 of this.
 * Taglines should be clearly separated from the body of the email and
 should come after your name.
 * Avoid vulgar and offensive taglines.

 Don't use PGP encryption on your messages. A lot of people (probably
 most) can't even use it.

 Disclaimers and authentication. Please don't include corporate
 disclaimers or PGP authentication when posting

Re: Top Posting (read up)

[lgers...@gmail.com]

Folks,

On Jun 13, 1:54 am, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote:
 Hello,

 I am a Nanny here at LEM.  We have some rules about posting in our forums.
 One rule that gets looked over quite frequently is what is called ³top
 posting.²  We ask that you post your responses AFTER the text you are
 answering.  This is called ³bottom posting² and considered the polite
 Internet standard.  

This was posted in error. Bottom posting is STRONGLY ENCOURAGED, along
with selective trimming. Top posting will not get you banned or
moderated.

HOWEVER, many of the more active/ knowledgeable members adhere to
bottom posting/ selective trimming etiquette and on more than one
occasion have mentioned (on or off list) If they are not willing to
take the 3-5 seconds to bottom post and trim, why should I take 3-5
minutes to help them out.

It makes email list threads much easier to read. If you examine some
of the longer threads we have had here lately, you will see how hard
to read a thread/ long message with a lot of previous top/bottom
posting, along with trying to figure out who said what.

So, PLEASE folks, TRY and bottom post and trim out non-relevant
portions. But there is no firing squad or banishment for violators.

Also, just a reminder, do not post attachments to the list.

Thanks,
Len Gerstel
lgers...@gmail.com
G3-5List Nanny

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Re: Top Posting (read up)

[Dan]

At 7:28 AM -0700 6/13/2009, lgers...@gmail.com wrote:
So, PLEASE folks, TRY and bottom post and trim out non-relevant portions.

yea.  What he said!

But there is no firing squad or banishment for violators.

sigh.

I'm getting one or two private emails a week that all say the same 
thing:  Why didn't you post in this or that thread?

I reply with what I'll say here:

Offering tech support via email is Not Easy.  Reading upside down 
top-posted untrimmed threads makes the job so difficult ... I'd 
rather spend the time chasing my cats.  Ditto for styled-text / 
HTML-based messages using itty bitty fonts.

So when I see top posting or tiny fonts, I usually just delete the 
message without reading it.  And move on...

FWIW,
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Re: Top Posting (read up)

[Peter]

On Jun 13, 2009, at 10:28 AM, lgers...@gmail.com wrote:


 Folks,

 On Jun 13, 1:54 am, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote:
 Hello,

 I am a Nanny here at LEM.  We have some rules about posting in our  
 forums.
 One rule that gets looked over quite frequently is what is called  
 ³top
 posting.²  We ask that you post your responses AFTER the text you are
 answering.  This is called ³bottom posting² and considered the polite
 Internet standard.

 This was posted in error. Bottom posting is STRONGLY ENCOURAGED, along
 with selective trimming. Top posting will not get you banned or
 moderated.

 HOWEVER, many of the more active/ knowledgeable members adhere to
 bottom posting/ selective trimming etiquette and on more than one
 occasion have mentioned (on or off list) If they are not willing to
 take the 3-5 seconds to bottom post and trim, why should I take 3-5
 minutes to help them out.

 It makes email list threads much easier to read. If you examine some
 of the longer threads we have had here lately, you will see how hard
 to read a thread/ long message with a lot of previous top/bottom
 posting, along with trying to figure out who said what.

 So, PLEASE folks, TRY and bottom post and trim out non-relevant
 portions. But there is no firing squad or banishment for violators.

 Also, just a reminder, do not post attachments to the list.

 Thanks,
 Len Gerstel
 lgers...@gmail.com
 G3-5List Nanny


Sometimes it is not as easy executed as said. Sometimes people use  
mobile devices (iPhone, iPod Touch, Blackberry or who knows) and on  
some of the mobile devices you can't cut or partial delete if you hit  
the reply button. I'm pretty sure most people try very hard to follow  
your advice but it is not always as easy as it seems. Just some  
thoughts from somebody using mobile devices a lot.

Peter M.
  
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Re: Top Posting (read up)

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 13, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Dan wrote:

 I reply with what I'll say here:

 Offering tech support via email is Not Easy.  Reading upside down
 top-posted untrimmed threads makes the job so difficult ... I'd
 rather spend the time chasing my cats.  Ditto for styled-text /
 HTML-based messages using itty bitty fonts.

 So when I see top posting or tiny fonts, I usually just delete the
 message without reading it.  And move on...

What Dan said...

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Re: Top Posting (read up)

[Dan]

At 11:43 AM -0400 6/13/2009, insightinmind wrote:
On Jun 13, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Dan wrote:
   So when I see top posting or tiny fonts, I usually just delete the
   message without reading it.  And move on...

Regarding Rich vrs Plain text and html ... I recently changed my 
Signature to be plain text/non-http-html (for my G3-G5 list e-mail 
address account only) ... I think that was over-riding my other 
choice of Responding: Use the same message format  My responses 
have returned to immediate turn-around whereas they were delayed 
probably by the google Server, for possibly containing Rich Text and/
or html.

Make sense? maybe I should drop my signature ... seems harmless enough.

Bill Connelly
artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio
myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio

I doubt plain vs rich (aka html) in a sig would block your emails at 
the server level.  If they were going to bock, the thing they'd most 
likely hit on is the content therein, eg the myspace url.  A quick 
search thru my unfiltered spam trap shows thousands of messages 
containing myspace.com.

At the user level, a lot of people junk html-based emails unless 
they're from someone on their whitelist.  It's easy enough to do - 
just filter for an x-html tag.

Your original post in the Lightning thread is rich (HTML), btw, but 
the font sizes are good.

- Dan.
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Re: Top Posting (read up)

[Doug McNutt]

At 22:54 -0700 6/12/09, Kyle Hansen wrote:
x_charset windows-1_2_5_2
Hello,
 
I am a Nanny here at LEM.  We have some rules about posting in our forums.
One rule that gets looked over quite frequently is what is called „top
posting.¾  We ask that you post your responses AFTER the text you are
answering.  This is called „bottom posting¾ and considered the polite
Internet standard.  Naturally you should also trim out some of the
non-essential information from the previous post as well.  Here is a snippet
of the rules that you read when you signed up for these lists:


Hello.

I am a low end Mac user on this G3 equipped 8500 running Eudora 5.1. Character 
encodings in the upper ASCII range were once fairly well defined until Windoze 
changed things. Character set windows-1252 causes problems for me that are 
far worse than top posting.

Those smart quotes are coming out as superscript 3 and 2 characters or as 
greater than or equals depending on the blah-blah setting of Eudora.

I would really appreciate it if users on this LOW END MAC list would either 
stick to low end ASCII or use Macintosh machines for posting.
-- 

Applescript syntax is like English spelling:
Roughly, though not thoroughly, thought through.

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Re: Top Posting (read up)

[insightinmind]

On Jun 13, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Dan wrote:


 At 11:43 AM -0400 6/13/2009, insightinmind wrote:
 ...


 Make sense? maybe I should drop my signature ... seems harmless  
 enough.

 I doubt plain vs rich (aka html) in a sig would block your emails at
 the server level.  If they were going to bock, the thing they'd most
 likely hit on is the content therein, eg the myspace url.  A quick
 search thru my unfiltered spam trap shows thousands of messages
 containing myspace.com.

 At the user level, a lot of people junk html-based emails unless
 they're from someone on their whitelist.  It's easy enough to do -
 just filter for an x-html tag.

 Your original post in the Lightning thread is rich (HTML), btw, but
 the font sizes are good.


Well I shortened my Sig to just be my artsite ... non-myspace url.

My message above hasn't come through to my Mail box, yet. Maybe its  
my verizon server ...

Bill Connelly
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Re: Top Posting (read up)

[John Musbach]

On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Kyle Hansenpi...@speakeasy.net wrote:

 Hello,

 I am a Nanny here at LEM.  We have some rules about posting in our forums.
 One rule that gets looked over quite frequently is what is called ³top
 posting.²  We ask that you post your responses AFTER the text you are
 answering.  This is called ³bottom posting² and considered the polite
 Internet standard.  Naturally you should also trim out some of the
 non-essential information from the previous post as well.  Here is a snippet
 of the rules that you read when you signed up for these lists:

 http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml

 Thanks for your understanding.  You will be warned first, then temp banned
 and then banned from the list if you don¹t follow the few rules we ask you
 to follow.  Usually we will ban you or moderate you (so your post has to be
 approved by a nanny before it will hit the list) then temporarily ban you
 (usually 72 hours), and then if you still don¹t ³get it² you will just be
 banned from the listŠ.which we really do not want to do.  So please take the
 few extra seconds and trim your posts then post your response at the bottom.
 Not only is it polite, it is a requirement of our lists.  Some threads get
 really hard to follow if you ³top post.²

 We have posted several warnings.  The warnings are going to stop and then
 bans are going to begin.  It is not that difficult to trim a post and then
 reply in the natural fashion which is below the quoted text.

 Thank you again for your understanding.

 Kyle Hansen

Why are you trying to enforce a non-existent rule:

Friends:

After discussion with the other list managers, we've decided to end
our policy of asking that list members not top post their replies.
That's the default behavior of most email clients, and just reminding
people of our recommendation to bottom post or interleave your
replies has become more trouble than its worth. From this point
forward, top posting is no longer an issue.

Dan Knight, list owner
publisher, LowEndMac.com

.Dan Knight a while ago made this rule no longer a issue, I don't
quite get why you're trying to reinforce it now. I don't think it's
too wise to try and cross the list owner.

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Re: Top Posting (read up)

[Kyle Hansen]

On 6/12/09 11:39 PM, Steve R mailing.lists.2...@gmail.com Broadcast into
the ether:

 
 Please, sir, where does Dan Knight, List Mom, on his updated
 2008.02.15 webpage, continue to insist that bottom posting is the
 only way to post? See content of that page below the link you posted.
 
 Kyle, I wish you no ill -- perhaps it was when you resigned from
 being List Nanny that Dan Knight, List Mom, posted to all lists
 saying that the 'banned for top posting' rule was no longer being
 enforced because Apple Mail even had its default for top posting.
 Just in the past week, someone reposted Dan Knight's email complete
 with headers to verify validity of the email. Dan Knight's email said
 bottom posting was preferred however it was up to the individual
 poster to determine how best to reply.
 
 Surely, Dan Knight's email can be found in the archive.

None taken.  But Dan Knight himself just posted the same thing on the
macintel list.  We will clarify and the web page will be updated.  I am well
aware of that post.  The Listnannies are at the round table as we speak.

And what does it matter anyway?  If you are a thoughtful and polite person
you would bottom post.  It's that simple.

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Re: Top Posting (read up)

[Kyle Hansen]

On 6/13/09 4:11 AM, Peter peter1...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether:

 
 On Jun 13, 2009, at 1:54 AM, Kyle Hansen wrote:
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I am a Nanny here at LEM.  We have some rules about posting in our forums.
 One rule that gets looked over quite frequently is what is called ³top
 posting.²  We ask that you post your responses AFTER the text you are
 answering.  This is called ³bottom posting² and considered the polite
 Internet standard.  Naturally you should also trim out some of the
 non-essential information from the previous post as well.
 Kyle Hansen

THIS THREAD IS DEAD.

I pronounce this thread dead until Dan Clarifies.  Because he himself is
insisting on bottom posting (macintel list this morning I believe) and many
many complaints have been received by list nannies about the difficulty in
following threads when people top post etc.  THIS THREAD IS DEAD, until
further clarification.  I was well aware of the previous post saying that we
would ³Prefer² that you bottm post.  But due to the volume of complaints
that top posting is not only arrogant and inconsiderate, it makes threads
hard to follow.  Will post back when this has all been decided by Dan
Knight.  

Thanks

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Re: Top Posting (read up)

[Steve R]

At 1:44 PM -0700 6/13/09, Kyle Hansen posted:
  And what does it matter anyway?  If you are a thoughtful and polite person
  you would bottom post.  It's that simple.


I could take offense from that comment but I won't. Being thoughtful 
and/or polite has nothing to do with top or bottom posting, not in 
this day and age. As posted by others, there are circumstances that 
leave no option but top posting, such as using a mobile device such 
as duh! Apple's own iPhone and iPod Touch. And then there's even 
Apple Mail... set to default to top posting. If you were a thoughtful 
and polite person you might understand those limitations, set by 
Apple itself, that make bottom posting to an Apple-related list a bit 
difficult for some people.

It really sucks that a forum for communication is being held hostage 
by some folks who really could use a bit more fiber in their diet. 
Those who *strenuously* and *adamantly* object to top posting have 
already posted a solution --- don't respond to those who top post. 
Those of us who understand there are limitations that make bottom 
posting difficult can continue to respond to those queries that we 
can.

shrug

Steve R

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Re: Top Posting (read up)

[Kyle Hansen]

On 6/13/09 1:57 PM, Steve R mailing.lists.2...@gmail.com Broadcast into
the ether:

 
 At 1:44 PM -0700 6/13/09, Kyle Hansen posted:
  And what does it matter anyway?  If you are a thoughtful and polite person
  you would bottom post.  It's that simple.
 
 
 I could take offense from that comment but I won't. Being thoughtful
 and/or polite has nothing to do with top or bottom posting

THIS THREAD IS CLOSED.

I could now ban you for posting on a closed thread, but I am also a
considerate and polite person.  Blackberries (like mine) and iPhones (like
mine) are capable of bottom posting.  Start a new thread if you wish to
discuss this further.

Thank you.

THIS THREAD IS CLOSED

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Re: [G3-5]Re: Top Posting (read up)

[MaGioZal]

On 6/13/09 8:11 AM, Peter at peter1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Some time ago (last year, I believe) it was established here on the list that
 top posting was ok. I can remember the that it was a lengthy discussion. Now
 we have changed that again and went back to bottom posting only?


I think top posting, mainly if the reply is not so long, is not an evil
nowadays. But I think that for the sake of undersanting in a thread, the
quoting marks must be respected (I say this because many times HTML-enabled
mailers don't respect quoting order).
 




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Top Posting (read up)

[Kyle Hansen]

Hello,
 
I am a Nanny here at LEM.  We have some rules about posting in our forums.
One rule that gets looked over quite frequently is what is called ³top
posting.²  We ask that you post your responses AFTER the text you are
answering.  This is called ³bottom posting² and considered the polite
Internet standard.  Naturally you should also trim out some of the
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http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml
 
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few extra seconds and trim your posts then post your response at the bottom.
Not only is it polite, it is a requirement of our lists.  Some threads get
really hard to follow if you ³top post.²
 
We have posted several warnings.  The warnings are going to stop and then
bans are going to begin.  It is not that difficult to trim a post and then
reply in the natural fashion which is below the quoted text.

Thank you again for your understanding.
 
Kyle Hansen
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