Re: connectivity question
Lo, At 22:24 21/11/2011, you wrote: On Nov 21, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: About half of all prescriptions filled remotely in the US is done by fax machine. A fax cannot be falsified via a MITM attack like an email can, nor can it be as easily forged, and faxes, unlike emails, support legal signature requirements. rant/ Of course we could have a system whereby we did have unfalsifiable emails with valid signatures, but only drug dealers, terrorists and dirty f***ing hippies use email encryption, right? /rant Yeah it seem so in America according to the NNSquad (net neutrality) email group that western countries are entering the world of restrictive middle eastern countries. Sadly in the UK we seem to be heading the same way. Its very sad that politicians are so old/ignorant that they do not understand the internet. They probably have secretaries to send emails and thats as close to the net that they get. Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: connectivity question
On 11/21/11 5:22 PM, Doug McNutt wrote: At 15:24 -0700 11/21/11, Bruce Johnson wrote: About half of all prescriptions filled remotely in the US is done by fax machine. A fax cannot be falsified via a MITM attack like an email can, nor can it be as easily forged, and faxes, unlike emails, support legal signature requirements. rant/ Of course we could have a system whereby we did have unfalsifiable emails with valid signatures, but only drug dealers, terrorists and dirty f***ing hippies use email encryption, right? /rant You are s right! Banks, brokers, and credit card folks all want everyone to change to all electronic delivery of statements. They get delivered as PDF files which can easily be modified by any half way intelligent programmer. I figure the only real reason I want the monthly documents is for use in, perish the thought, a problem that requires a court to provide a solution. Can you imagine trying to prove that you did not modify a statement in PDF format? As Bruce says, it is possible to sign things using public-key cryptography. The code is all there and is easily applied to the likes of a PDF or simple text file that contains the data. Any changes would be immediately apparent. All I ask, regularly, is that my bank use the cryptography to sign their documents and declare up front that in any legal proceeding they will honor a match of the crypto hashes in court. I have yet to find a financial establishment that has the foggiest idea of what I'm talking about. My stuff gets delivered as paper because I demand it while suggesting the crypto option. Where is my government on the point? Clueless is the answer and it applies to much more. Well that goes back to an article in a banking/banker magazine I read in the library at East Central University. They were talking about making everyone use plastic. Sounds like the feds want to track all the moneyy to track us. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
connectivity question
my main computer for office work is a QS'02 running tiger. i've been using a DSL modem (Siemens Speedstream 4200) hardwired to e-net port to connect to my ISP. i'd like to add FAX capability. i have an old BestData 56USBMAC that i used to use with a PCI mac and OS9. but there are no drivers for OSX on the bestdata website, and plugnplay didn't work. can anyone recommend a cheap FAXmodem? and how would that work? can OSX see the FAX modem plugged into a USB port and the DSL modem plugged into the e-net port simultaneously, and use both simultaneously? TIA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: connectivity question
My G5 ran happily with an ethernet router (DSL) and the Apple USB modem plugged into a USB port. Worked OK without any glitches... Ted From: ah...clem boneheads...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, 21 November 2011, 7:08 Subject: connectivity question my main computer for office work is a QS'02 running tiger. i've been using a DSL modem (Siemens Speedstream 4200) hardwired to e-net port to connect to my ISP. i'd like to add FAX capability. i have an old BestData 56USBMAC that i used to use with a PCI mac and OS9. but there are no drivers for OSX on the bestdata website, and plugnplay didn't work. can anyone recommend a cheap FAXmodem? and how would that work? can OSX see the FAX modem plugged into a USB port and the DSL modem plugged into the e-net port simultaneously, and use both simultaneously? TIA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: connectivity question
i'd like to add FAX capability. FAX is a nearly extinct technology, killed off by the internet. I can understand needing to send or perhaps receive one FAX, but adding FAX capability when the number of FAX machines available to communicate with is quickly vanishing seems futile. With the emergence of 5-in-1 Networked and/or WiFi-ed laser printers, Brother MFC-84xx, for example, there is really NO reason NOT TO go with a 5-in-1. FAX, as such, is completely obsolete, UNLESS one is tied to retail services, such as UPS-Store or FedEx-Store. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: connectivity question
On Nov 21, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: FAX is a nearly extinct technology, killed off by the internet. I can understand needing to send or perhaps receive one FAX, but adding FAX capability when the number of FAX machines available to communicate with is quickly vanishing seems futile. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You seem to inhabit a strange world where that which is not on the internet is not, somehow, real. Faxes are in wide, wide usage. We just set up network fax capability on a large Ricoh network copier/printer for one of the larger groups in the College here because their old bank of 4 fax machines was dying. They send and receive hundreds of faxes a week. About half of all prescriptions filled remotely in the US is done by fax machine. A fax cannot be falsified via a MITM attack like an email can, nor can it be as easily forged, and faxes, unlike emails, support legal signature requirements. rant/ Of course we could have a system whereby we did have unfalsifiable emails with valid signatures, but only drug dealers, terrorists and dirty f***ing hippies use email encryption, right? /rant -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: connectivity question
At 15:24 -0700 11/21/11, Bruce Johnson wrote: About half of all prescriptions filled remotely in the US is done by fax machine. A fax cannot be falsified via a MITM attack like an email can, nor can it be as easily forged, and faxes, unlike emails, support legal signature requirements. rant/ Of course we could have a system whereby we did have unfalsifiable emails with valid signatures, but only drug dealers, terrorists and dirty f***ing hippies use email encryption, right? /rant You are s right! Banks, brokers, and credit card folks all want everyone to change to all electronic delivery of statements. They get delivered as PDF files which can easily be modified by any half way intelligent programmer. I figure the only real reason I want the monthly documents is for use in, perish the thought, a problem that requires a court to provide a solution. Can you imagine trying to prove that you did not modify a statement in PDF format? As Bruce says, it is possible to sign things using public-key cryptography. The code is all there and is easily applied to the likes of a PDF or simple text file that contains the data. Any changes would be immediately apparent. All I ask, regularly, is that my bank use the cryptography to sign their documents and declare up front that in any legal proceeding they will honor a match of the crypto hashes in court. I have yet to find a financial establishment that has the foggiest idea of what I'm talking about. My stuff gets delivered as paper because I demand it while suggesting the crypto option. Where is my government on the point? Clueless is the answer and it applies to much more. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: connectivity question
- Original Message - From: Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu On Nov 21, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: FAX is a nearly extinct technology, killed off by the internet. I can understand needing to send or perhaps receive one FAX, but adding FAX capability when the number of FAX machines available to communicate with is quickly vanishing seems futile. You seem to inhabit a strange world where that which is not on the internet is not, somehow, real. Faxes are in wide, wide usage. We just set up network fax capability on a large Ricoh network copier/printer for one of the larger groups in the College here because their old bank of 4 fax machines was dying. They send and receive hundreds of faxes a week. About half of all prescriptions filled remotely in the US is done by fax machine. A fax cannot be falsified via a MITM attack like an email can, nor can it be as easily forged, and faxes, unlike emails, support legal signature requirements. I think it really depends on what the OP fax needs are. I believe fax is a dying technology but not nearly extinct yet. As owner of a small printing company that offers a fax service my copier/printers have fax capabilities that are used daily for many folks who need to send or receive requested documents to banks, real estate companies, academic, legal and medical institutions. Many of these clients are not computer savy or wish to spend the money and/or time to upgrade to a fax modem or an all-in-one machine. Some of these clients have payed more for my service than for a fax or or all-in-one machine costs. AND I have shared that info with them --but still they are not comfortable or confident with the technology. So at one level for many of us the fax as means to send info is dead. For many others it is still essential. Faxes are definitely more secure than email in the hacking sense. However as I stated in a previous thread, some people run for the WhiteOut and alter the documents before they are faxed. Sometimes just do this to hide their phone and address. And sometimes they write over the WhiteOut changing the integrity of the document. So in an analog sense faxes are also subject to fraud. Getting back to the original problem, the OP has a need for a fax solution. Wouldn't a simple installation of the G4 internal modem work? Perhaps the QS 2002 has one already installed? They are selling for $5-10 on the LEM list. Don't know if they work with DSL? And I like Peter's suggestion of a 5-in-1 (all-in-one) idea, simple and to the point and more useful than a fax modem. --glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
