Re: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.9.1

[Sebastian Kulesz]

I forced a new build in the Daily PPA with the latest commits included.
Will report back if I get any error.
I don't have an Ubuntu setup at hand, so if anyone can, please run the
tests on the gb.openssl component to see if anything is broken. Not because
of the version test, but because of that messy patch.

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Tobias Boege  wrote:

> On Mon, 05 Sep 2016, Benoît Minisini wrote:
> > Le 05/09/2016 à 17:22, Tobias Boege a écrit :
> > >
> > > Two things are preventing me from applying it:
> > >
> > >   1. Currently: I have exams and my thesis to do.
> >
> > Hope everything goes well!
> >
> > >   2. More fundamentally: I see no point in that patch. It adds code
> that is
> > >  compiled in for openssl versions so old that the configure script
> would
> > >  not even enable gb.openssl.
> > >
> > > Apparently Piccoro's openssl version, which is strictly below the
> requirement
> > > of 1.0.0, is some marvellous chimera of patches which somehow add the
> > > functions required to build gb.openssl even if the version number is
> too
> > > small. But I have no idea where these patches come from. I have
> inspected the
> > > squeeze-lts (which is the Debian version he is running(?)) package of
> openssl
> > > with its patches twice and could not find a way which could have added
> these
> > > functions.
> > >
> > > So, I simply don't understand how it is possible that gb.openssl
> compiles on
> > > his deprecated system, and I /believe/ it is some specific patch on
> his end.
> > > Therefore, I can't just lower the general version requirement, because
> it
> > > might break on systems which don't have this mysterious patch.
> > >
> > > If I don't lower the version requirement from 1.0.0 to 0.9.8o, then the
> > > patch is effectively useless and there is no justification to apply it.
> > > My stance is that since (for all I know) his openssl is very old and
> very
> > > special (in a way that conflicts with the openssl changelog), he
> should be
> > > the one to patch his local Gambas source tree to compile with his local
> > > openssl version.
> > >
> > > So the problem really is my lack of understanding. If anyone
> understands why
> > > Piccoro's openssl 0.9.8o has the EVP_MD_do_all() function, please
> explain the
> > > situation to me. Otherwise I'll do nothing.
> > >
> > > But Benoit: if you say we can just apply it even if it makes no sense,
> and
> > > propose something sensible for the commit log, I'll just throw it in
> and try
> > > to forget this huge waste of time. We are talking hours upon hours
> about
> > > openssl on a Debian that has ended LTS support 6 months ago for god's
> sake.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tobi
> > >
> >
> > OK, I get it. No, if a patch has non sense, there is no reason to apply
> it.
> >
> > If there is only one function missing, and its source code is simple
> > enough, you can add it to the source code conditionnally, by testing its
> > unavailability in the 'configure.ac' file.
> >
>
> I don't know if it's easy to include it. The function I was talking about
> iterates over the internal tables of digests which sounds sufficiently
> internal to not try to do it in gb.openssl. It also is the first symbol
> where compilation fails. Who knows where it fails after I pull that
> function in.
>
> > If the problem concerns other functions of the openssl API, we will do
> > nothing. Too much work for that!
> >
>
> Well, I didn't know you could check for the presence of functions in the
> configure script. I have replaced the version check by the availability of
> that function (which I admit is kind of ugly) and applied Piccoro's patch
> in #7892.
>
> It would probably be wise not to include it in 3.9.1 if it is to be
> released
> soon. At least Sebastian and other people who compile some Gamba on
> different systems should report back if it doesn't cause havoc on normal
> distributions.
>
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Re: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.9.0 (episode II)

[Sebastian Kulesz]

It will be available in the Beta PPA
 in a
few hours, Launchpad has half of its build farm offline for some reason...

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Benoît Minisini <
gam...@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Here is a new pre-release of Gambas 3.9. Download it at:
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gambas/files/gambas3/
> gambas3-3.9.0.tar.bz2/download
>
> This new pre-relase package has the following fixes:
>
> * TerminalView is refreshed correctly even if data is coming slowly.
> * Packager now supports PNG icons up to 1024x1024 pixels in Debian &
> Ubuntu packages.
> * Shell.RmDir() works correctly now.
> * The Window.Resizable property works correctly in gb.gtk3.
> * Some bug fixes in gb.gtk and gb.gtk3.
> * Some bug fixes in MenuButton.
>
> I couldn't reproduce the Process.Wait problem reported by Jussi
> Lahtinen. If someone else has the same problem, please tell!
>
> Otherwise, report any other problem you have with this package, even
> those you already have reported forgotten by me.
>
> Regards,
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Re: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.9.0

[Sebastian Kulesz]

Benoît, beware that the version number was only updated on the 3.9 branch.
On trunk, the version is still 3.8.90!

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Fabien Bodard  wrote:

> is the problem of compilation of gb.git on archlinux is resolved ?
>
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Re: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.9.0

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On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Christof Thalhofer 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Am 20.08.2016 um 16:45 schrieb Benoît Minisini:
>
> > Finally, here is the initial source package of Gambas 3.9.0!
> >
> > https://sourceforge.net/projects/gambas/files/gambas3/
> gambas3-3.9.0.tar.bz2/download
> >
> > Please compile and install it as much as you can, and report any
> > problem. Before I make it official of course. :-)
> >
> > I have to write the changelog now...
>
> Very cool! Is the Gambas daily in Launchpad a current version?
>
>
I'm updating it now. It will be live in a few hours.
Anyway, for the Daily PPA it will just be a version bump, you already have
all the changes there. :P


>
> Alles Gute
>
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Re: [Gambas-user] Support for new Packaging systems (Snappy and Flatpak)

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I will try to build a framework for building Gambas projects in the next
few weeks. I don't make any promises though! :)

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016, 12:35 Benoît Minisini 
wrote:

> Le 18/06/2016 01:10, Dimitris Anogiatis a écrit :
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > This is by no means urgent, I'm just asking mainly out of curiosity.
> >
> > There's been a lot of talk lately about new packaging systems mainly
> Snappy
> > (from Canonical - http://snapcraft.io/) and Flatpak (from Red-Hat/Fedora
> > but I also think they GNOME Foundation is behind them too -
> > http://flatpak.org/).
> >
> > New features like application isolation and transactional updates,
> packaged
> > dependencies etc etc.
> >
> > Is there any thought that Gambas will use those packaging systems in
> future
> > versions?
> >
> > Is there any practical reason for getting Gambas and/or Gambas created
> > software to be packaged
> > with the new systems, or are we sticking with the already available
> > solutions?
> >
> > Chime in everyone
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dimitris
>
> AFAIK, these beasts are isolated applications that can share part of
> their libraries as soon as someone make a "bundle" for them.
>
> In other words, app A and app B are provided with all their dependencies
> like on Windows, except that:
> - They are isolated in containers.
> - If, for example, both A and B use GTK+, they can share the GTK+
> libraries through a GTK bundle.
>
> So it is a matter of finding someone who can make a Gambas snap/flatpak:
>
> - based on nothing, with every libraries in the package.
>
> - using both GTK+ and QT bundles, so that it shares them with the other
> package.
>
> - using only GTK+ or QT. So you have to make two Gambas snap/flatpak.
>
> - For other libraries, I don't think it's worth sharing them. Except if
> you have already a bundle for them. For example SDL, or GStreamer, and
> so on. It must be evaluated case by case.
>
> Any volunteer?
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Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas3 on Rasperry Pi 3 with Ubuntu Mate 16.04

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Remember the ppa has arm packages built specifically for this! Compiling on
a raspberry pi will take about around four hours. The issues you mention
should be fixed in the 16.04 versions of any Ubuntu derivative, although I
can't be sure they will work.

On Thu, May 5, 2016, 05:21 Alexie  wrote:

> Raspbian (jessie) & gambas3 3.8.4 works fine here:
>
>
> https://www.domotiga.nl/projects/domotiga/wiki/DomotiGa_Installation#Gambas-From-PPA-Raspberry-Pi-Pi-2-Pi-3
>
> Also note the gambas3 3.8.4 in the Ubuntu 16.04 repo isn't working either
> on x86/x86_64 ... So most likely it is broken too in the Pi release. Only
> solution is to compile it yourself - to get it working on Ubuntu 16.04.
>
> 2016-05-05 10:11 GMT+02:00 Wolfgang <1...@dl7nb.de>:
>
> > Hi all!
> >
> > I tried to get Gambas3 running on a Raspberry Pi 3. I tried images of
> > *Ubuntu MATE* (15.10 and 16.04) during the last three days!.
> >
> > On the 15.10 I get a very old (outdated) Gambas3.5.4-2 from the
> > repository running, which does not support newer code.
> >
> > On both Versions (Ubuntu MATE 15.10 and 16.04) all efforts to get
> > Gambas3 running from either *ppa:gambas-team/gambas3 *or**
> >
> > *ppa:gambas-team/gambas-daily *failed to run:
> >
> > Error message:
> >
> > *gb.gui: warning: 'gb.qt4' component not found, using 'gb.qt5'**instead*
> >
> > *libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate*
> >
> > *Segmentation fault (core dumped)*
> >
> >
> > >From the list I have learned that*Ubuntu Mate*  ppas have problems.
> >
> >
> > How can I solve this?
> >
> > a) on Ubuntu Mate 16.04
> >
> > or
> >
> > b) another Linux-image for the/*Raspberry Pi3*/
> >   that can run Gambas3 with the up-to-date version?
> >
> >
> > Thank you for reading this!
> >
> > Greetings
> >
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Re: [Gambas-user] qt5

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You're welcome. Glad I was able to help!

Enjoy!

On Mon, May 2, 2016, 14:30 Alexie  wrote:

> Just looked, and this PPA is now automatically selected ... And this one
> works on Ubuntu 16.04 ! ... Thanks Sebastian! ​
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Re: [Gambas-user] qt5

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I'm building a new package with a greater version number. Give it an hour
or two to finish and the update should show up when you do apt-get update &
upgrade

On Mon, May 2, 2016, 13:36 Alexie <uale...@gmail.com> wrote:

> @Sebastian:
>
> Now i see it ... Ubuntu 16.04 has gambas3 3.8.4 too ... which makes the
> bl**dy mess of it:
>
> *root@ubuntu*:*/etc/apt/sources.list.d*# apt-cache policy  gambas3
>
> gambas3:
>
>   Installed: (none)
>
>   Candidate: 3.8.4-2ubuntu3
>
>   Version table:
>
>  3.8.4-2ubuntu3 500
>
> 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/universe amd64
> Packages
>
> 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/universe i386
> Packages
>
>  3.8.4-1.47~ubuntu16.04.1 500
>
> 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/gambas-team/gambas3/ubuntu
> xenial/main
> amd64 Packages
>
> 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/gambas-team/gambas3/ubuntu
> xenial/main
> i386 Packages
>
> 2016-05-02 18:18 GMT+02:00 Sebastian Kulesz <sebi...@gmail.com>:
>
> > I just saw that Ubuntu Xenial is also providing Gambas 3.8.4, but from
> the
> > error you are getting, my guess is that it is badly packaged. The version
> > available in the PPA has a lower version number than the one available in
> > the Ubuntu repository because of lexicographical order. So in your
> picture,
> > you are not actually using the Stable version from the PPA
> >
> > I will bump the version number so that the one in the PPA  supersedes the
> > one from the official repository. In the meantime, you can force the
> > version from the PPA using synaptic and selecting Force Version from the
> > menus.
> >
> > On Mon, May 2, 2016, 12:59 Charlie <char...@cogier.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I have reinstalled Ubuntu 16.04, just to make sure. I then installed
> > > Gambas3
> > > with the following command
> > > *sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:gambas-team/gambas3 && sudo apt-get
> > update
> > > && sudo apt-get -y install gambas3*
> > > I started Gambas from the command line and saw the following: -
> > > gambas1.png <http://gambas.8142.n7.nabble.com/file/n56124/gambas1.png>
> > > I tried again to load software from the Gambas Farm but unfortunately I
> > > received exactly the same error message as before
> > > I am not that concerned about this not working in Ubuntu as I intend to
> > > install Linux Mint 18 when it is released in about a month's time which
> > is
> > > based on 16.04
> > > If I install from a '.tar' is this likely to solve this problem?
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Gambas-user] qt5

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I just saw that Ubuntu Xenial is also providing Gambas 3.8.4, but from the
error you are getting, my guess is that it is badly packaged. The version
available in the PPA has a lower version number than the one available in
the Ubuntu repository because of lexicographical order. So in your picture,
you are not actually using the Stable version from the PPA

I will bump the version number so that the one in the PPA  supersedes the
one from the official repository. In the meantime, you can force the
version from the PPA using synaptic and selecting Force Version from the
menus.

On Mon, May 2, 2016, 12:59 Charlie  wrote:

> I have reinstalled Ubuntu 16.04, just to make sure. I then installed
> Gambas3
> with the following command
> *sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:gambas-team/gambas3 && sudo apt-get update
> && sudo apt-get -y install gambas3*
> I started Gambas from the command line and saw the following: -
> gambas1.png 
> I tried again to load software from the Gambas Farm but unfortunately I
> received exactly the same error message as before
> I am not that concerned about this not working in Ubuntu as I intend to
> install Linux Mint 18 when it is released in about a month's time which is
> based on 16.04
> If I install from a '.tar' is this likely to solve this problem?
>
>
>
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Re: [Gambas-user] qt5

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I'm still around! I dont like touching the stable PPA except when there is
a stable release of gambas. But adding a new release is okay, as long as I
don't have to touch the current packages. Let me know if the Xenial builds
work okey, just in case anything needs fixing.

Enjoy!

On Mon, May 2, 2016, 03:29 Alexie  wrote:

> I see a newer build (3 hours ago) for gambas3 3.8.4 and Ubuntu 16.04 in the
> PPA ... Maybe this one works ;-)
>
> 2016-05-01 18:54 GMT+02:00 Alexie :
>
> > The owner of the PPA is 'sebikul', not sure if he is around in this
> group?
> >
> > 2016-05-01 17:33 GMT+02:00 Charlie :
> >
> >> Are you able to add a 'xenial' repository to the Gambas ppa so that we
> can
> >> download the stable version that will work from there?
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas apps on Launchpad PPA?

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You can use this [0] project of mine as an example. All you need to do is
set the stable ppa as a dependency, and upload a source package with a
Debian/ folder similar to the one the project has.
Remember to include a makefile too, you can find and example there as well.

[0] https://github.com/sebikul/mundus

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>
> does anyone have experience with uploading software written in Gambad to
> Launchpad PPA?
>
> I was able to find this answer:
>
>
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/325151/how-to-upload-software-written-in-gambas-into-a-launchpad-ppa
>
> which says that the build environment should be specified as a dependency,
> so it *should* work. Has anyone tried that, e.g. does it work?
>
> All the best,
>
> M.
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Re: [Gambas-user] an y example of usage gb.logging ? wiki does not have any example

[Sebastian Kulesz]

If you are using an old version of Gambas, you can try to copy the
component's source code to your project. It does not use any fancy features
introduced lately, so it should work. I'm not 100% sure it will work, but
you can try anyway!

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015, 20:38 PICCORO McKAY Lenz 
wrote:

> hi again sebastian, the example works for me in debian wheeze,
> unfortunatelly does not in squeeze, due the minimun version to
> implement the logger are 3.4
>
> so i post a link here for those in my particular situatiion that wants
> implement loggin in older versions of gambas:
> http://www.gambas-es.org/kb.php?mode=article=6
> 2015-12-14 18:51 GMT-04:30 PICCORO McKAY Lenz :
>
> thanks for all..
> > thanks Sebastian, for example.. i now revised..  in the svn was
> > looking a bit lost
> >
> > that's the part interest me:
> >
> > Dim cLogger As Logger
> > cLogger = New Logger(LogLevel.Error, Null, Logger.Stdout)
> >   cLogger.Begin()
> >   cLogger.Log("Using the old logger interface", LogLevel.Critical)
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > If you're not a native user of Spanish language, you do not need me
> > translate it,
> >
> > I write the English bad because I do always in a hurry, my job is to
> > do things that are not implemented in linux to made possible
> > migrations, including documentation for groups of manpowers, if this
> > work is not done in a short time, it is performed on another platform
> > (obviously that not like me jejeje)
> > Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> > http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> >
>
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Re: [Gambas-user] an y example of usage gb.logging ? wiki does not have any example

[Sebastian Kulesz]

Glad it was useful!

I'm from Argentina, so it's no problem translating my emails. I was doing
it just in case.

Anyways, the time you don't spend writing an email correctly, is time we,
the rest of the list, have to spend trying to decipher it to gasp what you
were trying to say. We are all trying to help, so try to write correctly,
and double check your emails! I value my time just as much as you value
yours.
Besides, most of the people here are not native English speakers, so trying
to read in a foreign language something which is not well written can be
extremely hard or confusing!

And lastly, this list can be used as documentation just as the wiki. So if
someone finds a thread where a problem was solved, it would be nice for the
thread to be easy to read and follow, so as to get to the solution. You say
the wiki can be confusing, imagine coming from Google, with a problem not
mentioned in the wiki, and trying to find the solution in this thread!

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015, 20:24 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerh...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> thanks Sebastian, for example.. i now revised..  in the svn was
> looking a bit lost
>
> that's the part interest me:
>
> Dim cLogger As Logger
> cLogger = New Logger(LogLevel.Error, Null, Logger.Stdout)
>   cLogger.Begin()
>   cLogger.Log("Using the old logger interface", LogLevel.Critical)
>
> thanks,
>
> If you're not a native user of Spanish language, you do not need me
> translate it,
>
> I write the English bad because I do always in a hurry, my job is to
> do things that are not implemented in linux to made possible
> migrations, including documentation for groups of manpowers, if this
> work is not done in a short time, it is performed on another platform
> (obviously that not like me jejeje)
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
>
> 2015-12-14 18:18 GMT-04:30 Sebastian Kulesz <sebi...@gmail.com>:
> > English here, Spanish translation is below!
> >
> > Here [0] is a little example which is available within the component.
> > Otherwise, if you really just want to output text to the console, you can
> > call Logger("This will be logged to the standard output"), or Logger.Log
> > which is a mirror of the previous function, but longer.
> >
> > In the example, you can see that by using a simple Logger, the text goes
> > only to one output. But by using a ComplexLogger, you can multiplex that
> > output, and even set different levels for each output. So, for example,
> all
> > messages will be saved to a file, by using a FileHandler with
> > a Debug priority, but only messages with Error or Critical priority will
> be
> > shown in the console, by using a ConsoleHandler with an Error priority.
> You
> > can even write your own handler to send the messages over the net to a
> > logging server!
> >
> > --
> >
> > Aquí [0] puedes ver un pequeño ejemplo que esta disponible dentro del
> > código fuente del componente. Si lo único que quieres es imprimir texto
> en
> > la consola, puedes llamar a Logger("Esto se va a imprimir en la
> consola") o
> > a Logger.Log, que es un espejo de la misma función, pero con una llamada
> > mas larga.
> >
> > En el ejemplo, puedes ver que usando un Logger simple, el texto solo va a
> > un lugar. Pero usando un ComplexLogger, puedes multiplexar la salida, y
> > setear distintas prioridades a cada salida. De esta manera, por ejemplo,
> > todos los mensajes pueden ser guardados en un archivo usando un
> FileHandler
> > con la prioridad seteada en Debug, pero que solo lo mensajes con
> > prioridades Error o Critical sean mostrados en la consola, usando un
> > ConsoleHandler con la prioridad seteada en Error. Puedes incluso escribir
> > tus propios Handlers para enviar los mensajes por la red a un servidor de
> > logging!
> >
> > [0]
> >
> http://sourceforge.net/p/gambas/code/HEAD/tree/gambas/trunk/comp/src/gb.logging/.src/MTest.module
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Christof Thalhofer <chri...@deganius.de
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Am 14.12.2015 um 19:53 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
> >> > but this need gambas 3.6, i have gambas 3.1 and 3.5 as maximun due i
> >> > used debian stable (wheeze)
> >>
> >> Then use Shell and the command logger.
> >>
> >> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/lang/shell
> >> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-write-to-syslog.html
> >>
> >>
> >> Alles Gute
> >>
> >> Christof Thalhofer
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dies ist keine Signatur
> >>

Re: [Gambas-user] an y example of usage gb.logging ? wiki does not have any example

[Sebastian Kulesz]

I can send you an example project in a few hours if you don't mind waiting.
Meanwhile, check out the source code of the component for a mini example on
how to use it.

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Mientras  tanto, intenta ver el código fuente del componente para un mini
ejemplo.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015, 15:55 PICCORO McKAY Lenz 
wrote:

> but this need gambas 3.6, i have gambas 3.1 and 3.5 as maximun due i
> used debian stable (wheeze)
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
>
> 2015-12-14 14:08 GMT-04:30 Benoît Minisini :
> > Le 14/12/2015 19:33, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a écrit :
> >> any example of usage gb.logging ? wiki does not have any example
> >>
> >> how can i use that component to send log messages event print messages!
> >>
> >> remenber that a compiled gambas program does not send to stdout if are
> >> running in background, so i need a loggin implementation.. so can i
> >> use that component!
> >>
> >> code example minimal please!
> >>
> >> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> >> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> >>
> >
> > System.Log() is the simplest method if you don't need fancy features.
> >
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Re: [Gambas-user] an y example of usage gb.logging ? wiki does not have any example

[Sebastian Kulesz]

English here, Spanish translation is below!

Here [0] is a little example which is available within the component.
Otherwise, if you really just want to output text to the console, you can
call Logger("This will be logged to the standard output"), or Logger.Log
which is a mirror of the previous function, but longer.

In the example, you can see that by using a simple Logger, the text goes
only to one output. But by using a ComplexLogger, you can multiplex that
output, and even set different levels for each output. So, for example, all
messages will be saved to a file, by using a FileHandler with
a Debug priority, but only messages with Error or Critical priority will be
shown in the console, by using a ConsoleHandler with an Error priority. You
can even write your own handler to send the messages over the net to a
logging server!

--

Aquí [0] puedes ver un pequeño ejemplo que esta disponible dentro del
código fuente del componente. Si lo único que quieres es imprimir texto en
la consola, puedes llamar a Logger("Esto se va a imprimir en la consola") o
a Logger.Log, que es un espejo de la misma función, pero con una llamada
mas larga.

En el ejemplo, puedes ver que usando un Logger simple, el texto solo va a
un lugar. Pero usando un ComplexLogger, puedes multiplexar la salida, y
setear distintas prioridades a cada salida. De esta manera, por ejemplo,
todos los mensajes pueden ser guardados en un archivo usando un FileHandler
con la prioridad seteada en Debug, pero que solo lo mensajes con
prioridades Error o Critical sean mostrados en la consola, usando un
ConsoleHandler con la prioridad seteada en Error. Puedes incluso escribir
tus propios Handlers para enviar los mensajes por la red a un servidor de
logging!

[0]
http://sourceforge.net/p/gambas/code/HEAD/tree/gambas/trunk/comp/src/gb.logging/.src/MTest.module

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Christof Thalhofer 
wrote:

> Am 14.12.2015 um 19:53 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
> > but this need gambas 3.6, i have gambas 3.1 and 3.5 as maximun due i
> > used debian stable (wheeze)
>
> Then use Shell and the command logger.
>
> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/lang/shell
> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-write-to-syslog.html
>
>
> Alles Gute
>
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Re: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.8.4

[Sebastian Kulesz]

I'm getting the following error when building the Beta PPA.

Installing the development environment...
Compiling gambas3...
CControl.class:767: error: Unknown identifier: sVal


The error is in this [0] file. Sorry I can't link to SourceForge, but it
won't allow me to select a line.

[0]
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gambas-team/+junk/gambas-3.8branch/view/head:/app/src/gambas3/.src/Editor/Form/CControl.class#L767

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Benoît Minisini <
gam...@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> As usual, I have uploaded a pre-version of the Gambas 3.8.4 sources so
> you can test it before the official release.
>
> Download it at:
>
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gambas/files/gambas3/gambas3-3.8.4.tar.bz2/download
>
> And please report any problem!
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Regards,
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Re: [Gambas-user] New gb.web.form component

[Sebastian Kulesz]

Hi Benoît, just a heads up that the gb.web.form component is missing from
the comp/src/order file. That's the only thing stopping it from being
included in the PPA. I would fix it myself, but I don't have access to the
svn tree from where I'm at.

On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 8:31 PM, Jussi Lahtinen 
wrote:

> My condolences as well.
> It's a shame how so few rotten minds can ruin so many innocent lives.
>
>
> Jussi
>
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Benoît Minisini <
> gam...@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
> > Le 14/11/2015 19:57, ML a écrit :
> > > *On 11/14/2015 12:29 PM, Benoît Minisini wrote:*
> > >> *Le 14/11/2015 16:18, Moviga Technologies a écrit :*
> > >>> Haha! I am laughing! :D That's a good reason!
> > >>> My condolences to you by the way. It is very sad to see what has
> > >>> happened. Do you live in Paris?
> > >> Yep.
> > >> As I said to a friend, the "great" leaders of our "free" world were
> > >> thinking about giving antitank rockets to the "moderate" terrorists
> just
> > >> a week ago to pester the russians. What a beautiful firework they
> could
> > >> do in Paris with that. The number of deaths record will be beaten
> > >> easily. :-(
> > > Benoît,
> > >
> > > GLAD to hear (read?) that you're OK after looking open-mouthed to the
> > > yellowish news. Also, my condolences to you on the brutal nonsense.
> > > (as usual in our local news, they found an argentine "survivor" whom
> > > they gave plenty of airtime)
> > > I did not abandon ODBC, by the way, just sharpening my C.
> > >
> > > Ok back on topic. I have 3.8.3. Out of curiosity after reading this
> > > thread I wanted to create a web project.
> > > I did, and ran it. A Firefox opened with all the environment values in
> a
> > > nice table. But I could not find anywhere a place to add a new form.
> How
> > > do I add a Form in a web app? Or am I talking my usual nonsense?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > An alleviated zxMarce.
> >
> > At the moment gb.web.form is in development, so I use it as a debugging
> > project as usual.
> >
> > A normal web app will use gb.web.form and create WebForms, like a GUI
> > app just uses gb.gui and create Forms.
> >
> > Of course, there are a lot of differences and subtle tricks. So you
> > should know what a CGI script is, HTML, CSS and JavaScript to know
> > exactly what you are doing.
> >
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Re: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of gambas 3.8.2 - Form cannot load parent Class Form

[Sebastian Kulesz]

Benoit, was that problemas fixed un revision 7398? Because the stable
release does not include that commit, as the release was done before.
Should I include it?

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015, 12:16 Christof Thalhofer  wrote:

> Am 08.10.2015 um 16:57 schrieb Benoît Minisini:
>
> > I see: you have to recompile the project, because the ".startup" file
> > has been corrupted by a bad VERSION file located in the sources.
> >
> > But all current sources (/tags/3.8.2, /branches/3.8, /trunk) has a
> > correct VERSION file.
> >
> > So can you reproduce that corruption (i.e. that error message) now with
> > a project and the 3.8.2 version?
>
> I have this option switched on (do not know the sentence in english)
>
> "fetch version from file"
>
> Because I increment version-number automatically at deployment outside
> Gambas IDE.
>
> When I switch it off, the project starts up without error. In startup
> stands (the first lines):
>
> FMain
> Deganius Datenbank
> 0
> 0
> 0.1.90
>
>
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Re: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of gambas 3.8.2 - Form cannot load parent Class Form

[Sebastian Kulesz]

Yes, the packages are generated using the /branches/3.8/ svn repository.
But commits are not included automatically as they are pushed, I must
manually select which commit should be built and packaged. That's why I'm
asking if that last commit should be the one used to build the stable
packages, or if it's okay to use the previous one, asi it is now.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015, 12:46 Benoît Minisini <gam...@users.sourceforge.net>
wrote:

> Le 08/10/2015 17:37, Sebastian Kulesz a écrit :
> > Benoit, was that problemas fixed un revision 7398? Because the stable
> > release does not include that commit, as the release was done before.
> > Should I include it?
> >
>
> AFAIK, you are not concerned by these commits, as the packages you make
> are generated from the subversion repository, not from the source
> archives. Do you?
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Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas3 3.8.2 PPA problem on new project.

[Sebastian Kulesz]

Yup, sorry about that. I'm not used to the packaging rules changing between
bugfix releases, and forgot to add the new rules for the ide package.. The
fix will be live in an hour or two.

Sorry again!

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 7:06 AM, Benoît Minisini <
gam...@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Le 07/10/2015 11:57, Gianluigi a écrit :
> > The new project window appears empty, impossible to work see attached
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Gianluigi
> >
> >
>
> Apparently the project templates are missing in the gambas3-ide package...
>
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Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas 3.8.1

[Sebastian Kulesz]

The version number of the IDE was changed to 3.8.90 when merging
r7241-r7249. I will patch it in the PPA and issue an update as soon as
possible.

On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Ivan Kern  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I can confirm it.
>
> I installed it from PPA.
>
> $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
> $ sudo apt-get update
> $ sudo apt-get install gambas3
>
> Regards,
>
> Ivan
>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Benoît Minisini [mailto:gam...@users.sourceforge.net]
> Gesendet: Montag, 7. September 2015 13:12
> An: mailing list for gambas users
> Betreff: Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas 3.8.1
>
> Le 07/09/2015 12:34, Charlie a écrit :
> > The 3.8.1 update has the "Development version" title bar "USE AT YOUR
> > OWN RISK!"
> >
>
> It shouldn't. How did you install it?
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Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas 3.8.1

[Sebastian Kulesz]

The thing is that the .project file of the IDE has the wrong version. See
here [0]. I've manually patched it in the PPA [1] , so the new version
should only display 3.8.1, without the disclaimer.


[0]
http://sourceforge.net/p/gambas/code/HEAD/tree/gambas/branches/3.8/app/src/gambas3/.project

[1]
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gambas-team/+junk/gambas3-stable-common/revision/41

On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Benoît Minisini <
gam...@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Le 07/09/2015 14:20, Sebastian Kulesz a écrit :
> > The version number of the IDE was changed to 3.8.90 when merging
> > r7241-r7249. I will patch it in the PPA and issue an update as soon as
> > possible.
> >
>
> There is something I don't understand: on the svn repository, the
> VERSION file located in the root source directory is "3.8.1", both for
> /branches/3.8 and /tags/3.8.1.
>
> How could you get "3.8.90"?
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Re: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.8.1

[Sebastian Kulesz]

I'm gonna chime in and use Bruce's comment to say something i've been
thinking of lately. Some of you may remember, I was once working on porting
the build system Gambas uses from automake to Cmake. The work i did was
left stalled mostly because managing and merging the changes in trunk while
I was working on a different tree was impossible in SVN. Once (if?) Gambas
moves to Git, using a branch to further develop this project would be much,
much easier than it was.

Regarding Bruce's problem, the move to Cmake would make building an
equivalent to an autotools package as simple as adding a CMakeLists.txt to
the project root. Moreover, Gambas does not need to "./configure" a source
tree, as it does not have to look for headers or libraries to include, and
resolve their paths.

I just wanted to say that, to add a reason to move the development of
Gambas to a Git repository.

If you want to skip the autotools package entirely, consider adding a
Makefile to the root of the project. This would be easier to maintain,
easier to customize, and to create a release you would just need to create
a source archive. You can use this one [0] as an example, i'm using it
currently to create releases for my project.

Sorry for making so much noise. I know i didn't solve the original problem
you are having, but i just wanted to mention that there are radical
solutions that would bring a lot of advantages to the project. ;)

[0]
https://github.com/sebikul/mundus/blob/0e0e9c3644e46b3a17e521da29f4b2fc4fd09b20/Makefile

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:21 PM, adamn...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 02:46:49 +0200
> Benoît Minisini  wrote:
>
> > Le 03/09/2015 01:57, Benoît Minisini a écrit :
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > As usual, here is a pre-release package of Gambas 3.8.1 at:
> > >
> > >
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gambas/files/gambas3/gambas3-3.8.1.tar.bz2/download
> > >
> > > Please test it if possible, and report any problem before I make the
> > > release official.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> >
> > The list of bug fixes is available now at
> > http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/release/3.8.1
> >
> > Regards,
> >
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> >
> There is a problem with the Packager for autotools.  I am still trying to
> figure out whether it is something in the
> Package.module:MakeAutotoolsPackage method or in one of the data/install/
> template files. Essentially even though the "COMPONENT_build" AC_SUBST
> seems to be set correctly (to '1') the "COMPONENT_name" AC_SUBST is not
> being set.
>
> This happens as far back as the ./configure stage as per config.log
> excerpt below:
>
> ## - ##
> ## Output variables. ##
> ## - ##
>
> ACLOCAL='${SHELL} /home/bb/paddys-hill-workarea/horseUtil-0.0.16/missing
> aclocal-1.14'
> AMTAR='$${TAR-tar}'
> AM_BACKSLASH='\'
> AM_DEFAULT_V='$(AM_DEFAULT_VERBOSITY)'
> AM_DEFAULT_VERBOSITY='1'
> AM_V='$(V)'
> AUTOCONF='${SHELL} /home/bb/paddys-hill-workarea/horseUtil-0.0.16/missing
> autoconf'
> AUTOHEADER='${SHELL}
> /home/bb/paddys-hill-workarea/horseUtil-0.0.16/missing autoheader'
> AUTOMAKE='${SHELL} /home/bb/paddys-hill-workarea/horseUtil-0.0.16/missing
> automake-1.14'
> AWK='gawk'
> COMPONENT_build='1'
> COMPONENT_name=''
> CYGPATH_W='echo'
>
>
> as a result the autotools package will not "make install" properly - it
> creates a /usr/lib/gambas/.gambas file etc.
>
> I suspect (but am not sure) the bit of code that creates the configure.ac
> file at ~line 1967 of the Package.module - I beleive GB_INIT_PROJECT needs
> two arguments, the second being the component name.
>
> Have to go out today so I won't have a chance to add any further info till
> later.
>
> regards
> bruce
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Re: [Gambas-user] where's can download gambas ver 3.8.90.svn.7215

[Sebastian Kulesz]

Gambas is not yet updated to 3.8 in the archlinux repository. Just wait a
few days for the mantainer to do so, it was already marked as outdated.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015, 05:22 tsukuba GIMP user tsukubagradua...@foxmail.com
wrote:

 because my project is dev in opensuse
 but i choose 3.8.90.svn.7215 ver in software.opensuse.org(because 3.7.1
 not working)
 so now i move to archlinux-like(manjaro) but when i Compiled the
 installation package and

 *note:i using chinese language
   [nishikino-maki@lmos debian]$ su -c dpkg -i
 lovelive-musicpackage_0.1.5-6_all.deb
 密码：
 (正在读取数据库 ... 系统当前共安装有 52 个文件和目录。)
 正准备解包 lovelive-musicpackage_0.1.5-6_all.deb  ...
 正在将 lovelive-musicpackage (0.1.5-6) 解包到 (0.1.5-6) 上 ...
 dpkg: 依赖关系问题使得 lovelive-musicpackage 的配置工作不能继续：
  lovelive-musicpackage 依赖于 gambas3-runtime (= 3.8)；然而：
   未安装软件包 gambas3-runtime。
  lovelive-musicpackage 依赖于 gambas3-runtime ( 3.99.0)；然而：
   未安装软件包 gambas3-runtime。
  lovelive-musicpackage 依赖于 gambas3-gb-image (= 3.8)；然而：
   未安装软件包 gambas3-gb-image。
  lovelive-musicpackage 依赖于 gambas3-gb-image ( 3.99.0)；然而：
   未安装软件包 gambas3-gb-image。
  lovelive-musicpackage 依赖于 gambas3-gb-form (= 3.8)；然而：
   未安装软件包 gambas3-gb-form。
  lovelive-musicpackage 依赖于 gambas3-gb-form ( 3.99.0)；然而：
   未安装软件包 gambas3-gb-form。
  lovelive-musicpackage 依赖于 gambas3-gb-media (= 3.8)；然而：
   未安装软件包 gambas3-gb-media。
  lovelive-musicpackage 依赖于 gambas3-gb-media ( 3.99.0)；然而：
   未安装软件包 gambas3-gb-media。
  lovelive-musicpackage 依赖于 gambas3-gb-m
 dpkg: 处理软件包 lovelive-musicpackage (--install)时出错：
  依赖关系问题 - 仍未被配置
 在处理时有错误发生：
  lovelive-musicpackage
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Re: [Gambas-user] Launchpad Gambas 3.8.0 broken for Ubuntu 12.04

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It should be fixed, but some other thing might have slipped my hand. Please
let me know if you find anything else, and sorry again :P

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Sebastian Kulesz sebi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yup. Found the bug, for some reason I added an explicit dependence in
 gb.eval when it is already included in the Gambas runtime. I will fix it as
 soon as I get home, sorry about that :(

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2015, 14:06 Alexie uale...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Just want to mention the PPA for Gambas 3.8.0  Ubuntu 12.04 is broken,
 it wouldn't install (anymore):

 root@ubuntu:~# apt-get install gambas3

 Reading package lists... Done

 Building dependency tree

 Reading state information... Done

 Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have

 requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable

 distribution that some required packages have not yet been created

 or been moved out of Incoming.

 The following information may help to resolve the situation:


 The following packages have unmet dependencies:

  gambas3 : Depends: gambas3-ide (= 3.8.0-55.38~ubuntu12.04.1) but it is
 not going to be installed

Depends: gambas3-gb-form-editor (= 3.8.0-55.38~ubuntu12.04.1)
 but it is not going to be installed

 E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

 The gambas3-gb-eval-highlight has a dependancy with gambas3-gb-eval,
 which doesn't exist as package.

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Re: [Gambas-user] Launchpad Gambas 3.8.0 broken for Ubuntu 12.04

[Sebastian Kulesz]

Yup. Found the bug, for some reason I added an explicit dependence in
gb.eval when it is already included in the Gambas runtime. I will fix it as
soon as I get home, sorry about that :(

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015, 14:06 Alexie uale...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Just want to mention the PPA for Gambas 3.8.0  Ubuntu 12.04 is broken,
 it wouldn't install (anymore):

 root@ubuntu:~# apt-get install gambas3

 Reading package lists... Done

 Building dependency tree

 Reading state information... Done

 Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have

 requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable

 distribution that some required packages have not yet been created

 or been moved out of Incoming.

 The following information may help to resolve the situation:


 The following packages have unmet dependencies:

  gambas3 : Depends: gambas3-ide (= 3.8.0-55.38~ubuntu12.04.1) but it is
 not going to be installed

Depends: gambas3-gb-form-editor (= 3.8.0-55.38~ubuntu12.04.1)
 but it is not going to be installed

 E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

 The gambas3-gb-eval-highlight has a dependancy with gambas3-gb-eval,
 which doesn't exist as package.

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Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas 3.8 on Launchpad naming error?

[Sebastian Kulesz]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Christof Thalhofer chri...@deganius.de
wrote:

 Hello,

 there seems to be an naming error:

 Paket: gambas3-gb-form-media
 Neu: ja
 Zustand: Installiert
 Automatisch installiert: nein
 Version: 3.7.1-24.34~ubuntu14.04.1

 Has now a new name ...

 Paket: gambas3-gb-media-form
 Neu: ja
 Zustand: Installiert
 Automatisch installiert: nein
 Version: 3.8.0-27.38~ubuntu14.04.1


No error here. It was a mistake I made while packaging the new component,
but I fixed it several weeks ago. I have no idea why this is showing just
now, but you can safely delete the old package.





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Re: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.8.0

[Sebastian Kulesz]

So, because of the downtime Sourceforge had this past few weeks, the svn
imports into Launchpad were halted because of repeated failures to reach
the server. This means that the last build was using revision 7187, and I
wasn't even warned of this! :(

Anyway, the daily PPA was just updated to the latest revision, and the beta
PPA has the latest code going into Gambas 3.8, which is should be the
tarball Benoît posted, plus some bugfixes that have been merged since the
branch was made.

In other news, Ubuntu Utopic is EOL, so no new builds will be posted. And
Wily builds will now be included in the stable PPA in preparation for the
October release.

The packages are still being built for some distributions, so they will be
available in the next few hours.
If you find anything out of place, please let me know!

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Adrien Prokopowicz 
adrien.prokopow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Le Sat, 01 Aug 2015 02:52:09 +0200, Benoît Minisini
 gam...@users.sourceforge.net a écrit:

  Le 01/08/2015 02:34, Adrien Prokopowicz a écrit :
  Le Sat, 01 Aug 2015 01:40:18 +0200, Benoît Minisini
  gam...@users.sourceforge.net a écrit:
 
  Hi,
 
  I have uploaded the Gambas 3.8.0 source package to sourceforge:
 
 
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/gambas/files/gambas3/gambas3-3.8.0.tar.bz2/download
 
  Please check it and tell me if you have any problem with compiling it.
 
  I leave Paris soon, I have just the day of Saturday to fix any quirk,
  after it will be too late!
 
  Thanks.
 
 
  OK. But I need a database connection to be able to browse the available
  databases. This is the reason why mysql is chosen, because normally it
  is always available. The problem is that connection is not necessarily
  allowed.
 
  Or do you have a way to browse databases without needing a connection?
 

 You can't list databases without a connection, but you can have a
 connection
 without specifying a database name (see the mysql doc here[0]).

 [0]https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysql-real-connect.html

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Re: [Gambas-user] New system tray icon protocol support, new episode.

[Sebastian Kulesz]

Hey there!

On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 10:53 PM, Benoît Minisini 
gam...@users.sourceforge.net wrote:

 Hi,

 In revision #7154, I have replaced the gb.form.statusicon component by a
 component named gb.dbus.trayicon.

 This new component is now automatically loaded by the GUI components
 when the current desktop is KDE 4 or KDE 5. Otherwise, the old protocol
 is used.


Given that i could theoretically run a daemon with not GUI, but a tray icon
available, would it be okay to include this component with the gb.dbus
component, or should I package it separately? Note that this would add
gb.image as a dependency to gb.dbus.



 That way, you write your TrayIcon code once, and it will adapt to the
 desktop.

 The remaining problems are :

 - It works with KDE5 for sure.

 - It must be tested with KDE4.

 - It does not work with Unity apparently, no idea why.

 But the idea is there: find another language on Linux that allows you to
 define a tray icon that automatically adapts to the protocol used by the
 current desktop, with GTK+2, GTK+3, QT4 or QT5! :-)

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Re: [Gambas-user] R: ERROR Unable to compile gambas3 in rev. #7092 !

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On May 26, 2015 12:25 PM, Ru Vuott vu...@yahoo.it wrote:


 Thank you very much, Charlie, finally a more information !
 So, therefore, do I have to wait for :-(   Ubuntu provides Qt5Core =
5.3 version ?

They will never provide QT5 5.3 binaries in precise or trusty. They are
freezed to whatever version was available at their release, plus backported
fixes. If you want to compile gambas as it is now, you will need to add a
third party ppa that has the binaries and development packages available.


 Amicalement - con amicizia

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 Mar 26/5/15, Charlie Reinl karl.re...@fen-net.de ha scritto:

  Oggetto: Re: [Gambas-user] R: ERROR Unable to compile gambas3 in rev.
#7092 !
  A: gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net
  Data: Martedì 26 maggio 2015, 13:01

  Am Montag, den
  25.05.2015, 11:07 +0100 schrieb Ru Vuott:
   Hello,
  
   I come back about this problem that I had
  on my home PC, because - after installing QT5 libraries on
  my laptop - I obtained same problem:
  

at end of  ~/trunk $ ./configure
  -C  I get this notice:
  
|| THESE COMPONENTS ARE DISABLED:
|| - gb.qt5
|| -
  gb.qt5.opengl
|| - gb.qt5.webkit
||
  
   and at end of make install:
  
Unable to
  compile gambas3
  
  

  
   Currently I am
  able to start Gambas from a copy of the file gambas3.gambas
  (which fortunately I had not destroyed), and these my
  system/gambas informations:
  
   [System]
  
  Gambas=3.7.90
   OperatingSystem=Linux
   Kernel=3.13.0-37-generic
   Architecture=x86_64
  
  Distribution=Linux Mint 17.1 Rebecca
  
  Desktop=GNOME
   Theme=Cleanlooks
   Language=it_IT.UTF-8
  
  Memory=1245M
   [Libraries]
   Cairo=libcairo.so.2.11301.0
   Curl=libcurl.so.4.3.0
  
  DBus=libdbus-1.so.3.7.6
  
  GStreamer=libgstreamer-0.10.so.0.30.0
  
  GStreamer=libgstreamer-1.0.so.0.204.0
  
  GTK+3=libgtk-3.so.0.1000.8
  
  GTK+=libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.23
  
  OpenGL=libGL.so.1.2.0
  
  Poppler=libpoppler.so.44.0.0
  
  Qt4=libQtCore.so.4.8.6
  
  Qt5=libQt5Core.so.5.2.1
  
  SDL=libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.4
  

  Salut,

  same problem on Ubunto 14.04.x LTS
  Can't catch higher then libQt5Core 5.2.1,
  but need Qt5Core=5.3

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Re: [Gambas-user] R: ERROR Unable to compile gambas3 in rev. #7092 !

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This is what I meant [0]. There is a point in the release cycle, before the
stable version of Ubuntu is published, where they freeze whatever version
was available at that time, and only backport bug fixes until the planned
EOL. I didn't mean that Ubuntu Trusty is not being maintained any more!

[0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze
On May 26, 2015 5:46 PM, Charlie Reinl karl.re...@fen-net.de wrote:

 Am Dienstag, den 26.05.2015, 13:08 -0300 schrieb Sebastian Kulesz:
  On May 26, 2015 12:25 PM, Ru Vuott vu...@yahoo.it wrote:
  
  
   Thank you very much, Charlie, finally a more information !
   So, therefore, do I have to wait for :-(   Ubuntu provides Qt5Core =
  5.3 version ?
 
  They will never provide QT5 5.3 binaries in precise or trusty. They are
  freezed to whatever version was available at their release, plus
 backported
  fixes. If you want to compile gambas as it is now, you will need to add a
  third party ppa that has the binaries and development packages available.
 

 Salut Sebastian,

 sounds strange for me, trusty 14.04 LTS has just 15 month on his back,
 should be supported till April 2017/2019, and you tell they freezed.
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Re: [Gambas-user] gambas3 gb.form error

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That's because today's builds where compiled after the change of the
default editor, but before I added the component and updated the IDE's
dependencies.

I am extremely busy today so I won't be able to issue new builds. It will
be automatically fixed in tonight's packages though.

If it is urgent, you can downgrade to yesterday's builds from your local
package cache.

I'm really sorry about that.
On May 20, 2015 4:05 AM, GH girardhe...@hotmail.com wrote:

 HI,
 I just add gambas3 daily ppa, usually it works well but this morning
 it's not working ?
 gbr3: unable to load component: gb.form.editor
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Re: [Gambas-user] sdl2 component missing in gambas-team stable PPA!!

[Sebastian Kulesz]

So, yeah, you should update your system. SDL2 is not available in Ubuntu
Precise, so it is impossible to package gb.sdl2.* for that distribution.


On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Willy@develop 
wi...@develop.earthshipeurope.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 I just noticed when trying to install InnovaDesktop 0.1.2 for testing
 that it would not install because of missing dependency
 gambas3-gb-sdl2-audio.

 When trying to install it I noticed it was not available in the
 gambas-team stable PPA (Gambas 3.7.1).

 So I opened up a project in IDE and checked to see that there is indeed
 no gambas sdl2 component available in Gambas 3.7.1

 The Gambas 3.7.0 release notes say:
 gb.sdl2 and gb.sdl2.audio are two new components for using SDL2.

 Where they forgotten in making the gambas-team stable PPA for 3.7.0 and
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Re: [Gambas-user] Will Gambas 3.7.1 be in Launchpad?

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As promised, you should be seeing the update in an hour or two! ;)

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Christof Thalhofer chri...@deganius.de
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 Hi Sebastian,

 Am 15.04.2015 um 15:15 schrieb Sebastian Kulesz:
  I'm really sorry for the delay. It will be pushed, but I'm under a lot of
  work and won't be able to do it until next Wednesday.

 No Problem. For me it's not time-critical. Next week or so is wunderbar.
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Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas stable builds

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On Apr 21, 2015 10:13 AM, corradove...@libero.it corradove...@libero.it
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 According page:
 https://launchpad.net/~gambas-team/+archive/ubuntu/gambas3
 the current gambas version should be 3.7
 but ubuntu 15.4 software center installs gambas3-ide 3.5.4-2ubuntu3
 (here the lines from gambas system information)

 [System]
 Gambas=3.5.4
 OperatingSystem=Linux
 Kernel=3.19.0-14-generic
 Architecture=x86_64
 Distribution=Ubuntu 15.04
 Desktop=GNOME
 Theme=QGtk
 Language=en_US.UTF-8
 Memory=1929M

 I know I can install from PPA (in fact I'm using 3.7.90 from daily PPA)
 but I think this is a problem.
 Should I open the problem to Ubuntu? Or to Gambas? On none?

Actually, none of them. The problem is we can't find a Debian sponsor for
the project, so Gambas packages remain outdated in Debian. Ubuntu syncs the
packages from Debian in each release, so until we find a sponsor, it will
remain outdated in Debian and, in consequence, in Ubuntu. I already tried
and offered my help, but it got nowhere. If you want to reopen the issue in
their mailing list and put some pressure, please do.

Thanks for your interest!

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Re: [Gambas-user] Will Gambas 3.7.1 be in Launchpad?

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I'm really sorry for the delay. It will be pushed, but I'm under a lot of
work and won't be able to do it until next Wednesday.
On Apr 15, 2015 4:03 AM, Christof Thalhofer chri...@deganius.de wrote:

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 Will Gambas 3.7.1 be in Launchpad Stable? And if, when?

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Re: [Gambas-user] Possible error PPA 3.7 Stable

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Found the error, will push an update shortly. The IDE still thinks it has
the 3.7.90 version.

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 On 18/03/15 12:38, Gian wrote:
  Upon notification by a user of Gambas-it I tried to install the PPA
  stable.
  Seems that we obtained the Trunk.
  See image attached
 
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Re: [Gambas-user] Possible error PPA 3.7 Stable

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Neither my PPA nor the packages available in the Ubuntu repositories have
that label other than for the package of the gb.compress component. I still
don't understand where it is coming from.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Lewis Balentine le...@keywild.com wrote:

 That is what comes up in Synaptic Package manager (or the update manger).
 I am using Linux mint but it uses a Ubuntu setup of course.


 On 03/19/2015 12:56 PM, Sebastian Kulesz wrote:
  The only package labeled like that is the one containing the gb.compress
  component. Can you tell me the exact package name, PPA and version you
 are
  talking about?
  On Mar 19, 2015 2:38 PM, Lewis Balentine le...@keywild.com wrote:
 
  FYI: Sill labeled Gambas compression component in package manager.
 
  On 03/19/2015 12:07 PM, Sebastian Kulesz wrote:
  You should be able to update now. Be aware that you will probably have
 to
  follow what Tobias said to clean the old bytecode files compiled with
 the
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Re: [Gambas-user] Possible error PPA 3.7 Stable

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The only package labeled like that is the one containing the gb.compress
component. Can you tell me the exact package name, PPA and version you are
talking about?
On Mar 19, 2015 2:38 PM, Lewis Balentine le...@keywild.com wrote:

 FYI: Sill labeled Gambas compression component in package manager.

 On 03/19/2015 12:07 PM, Sebastian Kulesz wrote:
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Re: [Gambas-user] Possible error PPA 3.7 Stable

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You should be able to update now. Be aware that you will probably have to
follow what Tobias said to clean the old bytecode files compiled with the
higher version number.

Please let me know if it is working as intended now!
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 On Thu, 19 Mar 2015, John Rose wrote:
  On 18/03/15 12:38, Gian wrote:
   Upon notification by a user of Gambas-it I tried to install the PPA
   stable.
   Seems that we obtained the Trunk.
   See image attached
  
  Gambas just upgraded using Stable ppa. Still gives 'Development
  Version...' in window title. Now won't Debug-Run my (attached) Test
  app: displays window stating Byte code too recent: please upgrade
  Gambas'. IMO this needs to be urgently fixed.

 False positive byte code errors can almost (?) always be fixed by re-
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Re: [Gambas-user] Possible error PPA 3.7 Stable

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Thats because the version in the 3.7 branch was updated to 3.7.90 when it
should have stayed in 3.7.0. I have included a patch to the build system to
revert the commit. I will publish an update shortly.

Thanks for pointing it out!

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Re: [Gambas-user] URGENT request to people of Gambas stable PPA

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On Mar 17, 2015 1:39 PM, Willy Raets wi...@earthshipbelgium.be wrote:

 On di, 2015-03-17 at 11:35 -0500, Lewis Balentine wrote:
  Congratulations Willy  :-)


 Thanks, and it only costed me a days work to figure it all out :)

 I guess this might mean I'll manage to get the migration going next week
 as planned.

Thats great news! I haven't heard of any problems so far, so I will push
the update tonight.


 
  On 03/17/2015 11:19 AM, Willy Raets wrote:
   I managed to get my own local repository running with the Gambas 3.6.2
   from your PPA. I also managed to install from there (just needed to
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Re: [Gambas-user] daily PPA for ubuntu vivid not found

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The PPA has packages available for Vivid. The error you are getting is
confusing me. The PPA lp:~gambas-team/gambas-daily has the packages,
not  lp:~gambas-team/gambas3, which is the one throwing you the 404 errors.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Gian bago...@libero.it wrote:

 Il 17/03/2015 09:24, corradove...@libero.it ha scritto:
  on my ubuntu vivid i added in sources.list the lines suggested in:
 https://launchpad.net/~gambas-team/+archive/ubuntu/gambas-daily
  deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gambas-team/gambas-daily/ubuntu vivid
 maindeb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/gambas-team/gambas-daily/ubuntu
 vivid main i also added the key:sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver
 keyserver.ubuntu.com 50B027516CAEE58D
 
  but from apt-get updtate i have messages:W: Failed to fetch
 http://ppa.launchpad.net/gambas-team/gambas3/ubuntu/dists/vivid/main/binary-amd64/Packages
 404  Not Found
  W: Failed to fetch
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 Hi Corrado,
 look here [0] to compile, if you can help.
 Ciao
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Re: [Gambas-user] URGENT request to people of Gambas stable PPA

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Hey there!

I haven't pushed the update to the stable ppa yet. Just last night I
updated the bleeding edge ppa and I would like to wait a day or two to see
if any issues arise.

I can not hold the update because of one user. Think that there are a lot
of people waiting for the new features and fixes this release brings.

From what you wrote, I assume you are using a Debian based distro. Would it
be possible for you to download a local copy of the repository instead of
compiling Gambas? Google a tool named reprepo, try to set it up on a server
locally, and download the packages currently available on the stable ppa. I
won't update it for a day or two, and I will let you know with some time so
you can prepare. But know that holding it for more than a few days is not
ideal.

If I can be of any help let me know!
On Mar 16, 2015 11:17 AM, Willy Raets wi...@earthshipbelgium.be wrote:

 Hi,

 First, thank you for all the good and hard work getting Gambas out
 there.

 I have an urgent request for the Gambas-team people taking care of
 Gambas stable PPA.

 Would it be possible to have a PPA where Gambas 3.6.2 is available (a
 copy for example of the current).

 The reason I am asking is as follows.

 At work, I have been working on  a complete rewriting of current VB
 Client applications under Windows/MSAccess to Gambas 3.6.2 client
 applications under Linux/MySql. This project started december 2013.

 The rewrites have finished a few months ago and since I have been
 testing all. I am about to migrate the Windows environment to Linux.

 For this I need a working Gambas 3.6.2 PPA.

 Compiling Gambas 3.6 on the local systems will not work. Simply because
 the installation of the Gambas 3.6 migrated application .debs will not
 work because of missing dependencies.

 Why? Well, the distros package management system is not aware of the
 locally compiled Gambas 3.6.2. and will try to look for a PPA that holds
 them. Since all my applications are coded for auto-update-install new
 application versions, using the newer .debs, my auto-update-install
 mechanisms will not work either!

 Access to a Gambas 3.7 PPA is no solution as none of the applications
 where tested against Gambas 3.7 and I do not have a few months time to
 retest all. The migration is planned for next week!

 For this reason I need access to a working Gambas 3.6.2 repository, but
 with the release of Gambas 3.7, the 3.6.2 will soon be updated and no
 more 3.6.2 PPA will be available.

 Is it possible to host the 3.6.2 version at launchpad in a separate PPA,
 so that it will stay available.

 And wouldn't it be handy to have such a PPA for each last 3.x version.
 Especially, for those working in a professional environment, where
 stability is more important that the latest and greatest version of
 something.

 I hope some kind of solution will be possible or else the project will
 have a setback of a few months and my bosses will NOT be happy.

 It took me quite some time to convince them to make the move from
 VB/Windows to Gambas/Linux,so this latest Gambas update is really bad
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Re: [Gambas-user] URGENT request to people of Gambas stable PPA

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On Mar 16, 2015 11:36 AM, Willy Raets wi...@earthshipbelgium.be wrote:

 On ma, 2015-03-16 at 09:25 -0500, Lewis Balentine wrote:
  Have you considered setting up a local PPA.
  In that way you might also control 'what else' gets updated.
  http://inodes.org/2009/09/14/building-a-private-ppa-on-ubuntu/
 
  Cheers,
 
  Lewis

 Hi Lewis,

 I have considered this but IF I would get a PPA working, I do not have
 the know how to make the needed Gambas packages to go into the PPA.

 Another thing is the time constrain, I have much to do before the
 migration starts next week and that 'much to do' doesn't include
 learning how to set up a repo, learning how to package Gambas, test the
 repo and packages and so on...

You can use the same packages that are now available on the ppa. Just use
curl or wget to download them all. There is no need to build anything.



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Re: [Gambas-user] gambas 3.6 on ubuntu vivid

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I'm working on the Vivid builds for the 3.7 release. Please check back in a
few hours, they should be live by then.

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 6:28 AM, corradove...@libero.it 
corradove...@libero.it wrote:

 ubuntu vivid software center still offers gambas
 3.5.4.ppa:gambas-team/gambas-daily refuses working on vivid.ppa listed in
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Re: [Gambas-user] Is Gambas 3.7 in the repository

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I'm cleaning the bleeding edge repository, once it is working ok i will
push the builds to the stable repository.

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Martin McGlensey mmcg29...@frontier.com
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 Is Gambas 3.7 in the repository? I just tried to update my Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
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Re: [Gambas-user] gb.logging API change

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So, i have changed the API again. Now, each logger has an associated array
of handlers, each of which takes care of storing the data in a specific
way. Right now, the component only includes a console handler to output
logs to stdout or stderr. And a file handler to output logs to files.
Each logger can have an arbitrary amount of loggers, and they even can be
shared across loggers.
This way a several loggers can output to the same file by sharing a
handler, or a logger can output to several files, all depending on the
logging level.

Take a look at the following example:
-
  Dim aHandler, bHandler As LogHandler

  Dim bLogger As Logger

  aHandler = New ConsoleHandler(ConsoleHandler.STDOUT)
  bHandler = New FileHandler(~/Desktop)

  bLogger = New Logger(Null, aHandler)

  bLogger.Begin()

  bLogger.Log(This goes to the stdout stream)

  bLogger.addHandler(bHandler)
  bHandler.Open

  bLogger.Log(I can read this in the console or at a file stored in my
Desktop folder.)

  Logger.Log(There is no need to use handlers. You can use the Logger
anonymously.)
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bLogger outputs to 2 locations simultaneously. If you want, both handlers
could use a different level of severity ;)

I will be adding some more handlers in the following days.

Enjoy!

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wrote:

 My bad. It should be fixed in rev #6010. Please let me know!


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 Sebastian,

 With the new version the $(callLocation) is always returning the same
 location (Logger._call.95).

 I stuck some debug in the Formatter to print the stack backtrace, here's
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 Logger.Log.87
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 Application._init.57

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Re: [Gambas-user] An utility component for Gambas

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It's about how should I proceed to add this new component to the PPAs. Not
sure if it should be a separate component or distributed with the runtime.
On Dec 1, 2014 8:38 PM, B Bruen bbr...@paddys-hill.net wrote:

 On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 20:30:19 -0300
 Sebastian Kulesz sebi...@gmail.com wrote:

  Would it be okay to include this component inside the gambas3-runtime
  package or should I create a new one for it?
 
 
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Re: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.6.2

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On Nov 11, 2014 2:01 PM, Benoît Minisini gam...@users.sourceforge.net
wrote:

 Le 11/11/2014 17:58, Benoît Minisini a écrit :
  Hi,
 
  I have uploaded a pre-release source package of Gambas 3.6.2 on
  sourceforge at:
 
 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gambas/files/gambas3/gambas3-3.6.2.tar.bz2/download
 
  Please check it and report any problem before I make it official.
 
  I will write the changelog with the backported bug fixes soon.
 
  Regards,
 

 Especially take attention on the offline help that should update to a
 new documenation package and to the new wiki look!

For those using the Beta PPA, this pre-release version should show up in
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Re: [Gambas-user] Problems compiling Gambas 3.6.1

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It is fixed in trunk! I was just asking to backloport it so it is released
with Gambas 3.6.2
On Nov 6, 2014 8:20 AM, CJ li...@hth.com wrote:


 Sebastian,

 Is this compiling issue fixed in current Trunk version or am I
 missunderstanding something?

  Benoît, could you please backport this fix to the 3.6 branch?
  It was the only thing keeping me from compiling the compiler and
  interpreter under Mac OS without issues. I will post another thread
  in a few days with the remaining problems I had.
 
  On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 6:46 AM, CJ li...@hth.com wrote:
 
  
I tried to fix it in #6607. What compiler (version) do
  you use? I ask
because there is nothing more in those lines than a forward
typedef. As far as I can remember back, all my compilers
  could handle
   this.
  
   See below...
  
 gcc-4.4 4.4.5-8 The GNU C compiler
  
   Just a FYI if it helps, the last version I compiled without
  problems on the
   same setup was 3.5.4.
  
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Re: [Gambas-user] Problems compiling Gambas 3.6.1

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Benoît, could you please backport this fix to the 3.6 branch? It was the
only thing keeping me from compiling the compiler and interpreter under Mac
OS without issues. I will post another thread in a few days with the
remaining problems I had.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 6:46 AM, CJ li...@hth.com wrote:


  I tried to fix it in #6607. What compiler (version) do you use? I ask
  because there is nothing more in those lines than a forward
  typedef. As far as I can remember back, all my compilers could handle
 this.

 See below...

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Re: [Gambas-user] Official release of Gambas 3.6

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I'm afraid I can't. I'm limited by the automatic builders made available by
Launchpad. Although they are available for official packages, the are not
yet available for personal PPAs. As soon as a new architecture is made
available, I will do my best to add it to the supported list.
On Nov 2, 2014 2:10 AM, CJ li...@hth.com wrote:

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  I will have the stable PPA updated tonight with armhf builds
  included ;)

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[Gambas-user] Beta PPA

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Hey!

As i mentioned when Gambas 3.6 was released, i had the idea of making a
beta PPA for those of you who needed bugfixes backported immediately, but
couldn't use the Daily PPA because you also needed some kind of stability.

If you fall in this category, you can now add ppa:gambas-team/gambas-beta
to your sources.list. It includes the latest fixes backported a few hours
ago, and will be built and updated automatically when new bugfixes are
included.

As always, the command you have to execute is:

$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas-beta

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Re: [Gambas-user] Beta PPA

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Actually, it is compiled using the latest code from the 3.6 branch, so code
committed to /trunk and not backported to /branches/3.6 should not
interfere at all. I can't use /trunk from a few weeks because there can be
breaking changes which could brake the build anytime. Only the code you
backport is included, and a new commit to the 3.6 branch triggers a new
build.
On Oct 30, 2014 2:49 PM, Benoît Minisini gam...@users.sourceforge.net
wrote:

 Le 30/10/2014 18:31, Tobias Boege a écrit :
  On Thu, 30 Oct 2014, Sebastian Kulesz wrote:
  Hey!
 
  As i mentioned when Gambas 3.6 was released, i had the idea of making a
  beta PPA for those of you who needed bugfixes backported immediately,
 but
  couldn't use the Daily PPA because you also needed some kind of
 stability.
 
 
  So the beta repository is the latest stable version plus bugfixes? How do
  you distinguish between new-feature commits and bugfix commits from
 trunk?
 
  I look specifically at commit r5778 as an example which has various
 items,
  and at least two of each type:
 
 
 --8---
  * BUG: Fix possible bugs when [...]
  * BUG: Really erase old elements [...]
  * OPT: Current and the enumerators [...]
  * OPT: Remove workaround code [...]
  * NEW: Expose List.Current as a [...]
  * NEW: List.Value is what [...]
  * NEW: Add List.Current.Index and [...]
  * NEW: Add a List.AutoNormalize property [...]
  * NEW: Add List.MoveTo() to point Current [...]
  * NEW: List.Current.Is{First,Last,Valid} [...]
 
 --8---
 
  Would this be picked for beta from your system or not? How would I make
  commits that play together with your system?
 
  And what happens when a bugfix commit builds on top of a new feature,
 i.e.
  can't be applied?
 
  Regards,
  Tobi
 

 Good questions.

 For example, I'm currently backporting bugfixes that are backport-able
 to /branches/3.6, and when I'm done I'm making a 3.6.1 from it.

 I suggest that beta should be a development revision a few weeks in
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Re: [Gambas-user] SmtpClient icon lost in Gambas 3.6 IDE

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You must update to Gambas 3.6. I don't support 3.5 any more. It shouldn't
even be available, you must be using a discontinued version of Ubuntu or
one of its derivatives
On Oct 25, 2014 4:34 PM, Jorge Carrión sho...@gmail.com wrote:

 I updated from 3.54 of Stable repository of Sebikull/gambas-team.

 Must uninstall and reinstall, then?

 Regards

 2014-10-25 16:38 GMT+02:00 Benoît Minisini gam...@users.sourceforge.net:

  Le 23/10/2014 18:54, Jorge Carrión a écrit :
   Since yesterdey I've noticed that SmtpClient icon is not shown in ide
   controls window. (See picture attached)
   I don't know if this happens since 3.6 actualization of is a posterior
   issue.
  
   My System information:
  
   [System]
   Gambas=3.6.0
   OperatingSystem=Linux
   Kernel=3.13.0-24-generic
   Architecture=x86_64
   Distribution=Linux Mint 17 Qiana
   Desktop=GNOME
   Theme=QCleanlooks
   Language=es_ES.UTF-8
   Memory=7968M
   [Libraries]
   Cairo=libcairo.so.2.11301.0
   Curl=libcurl.so.4.3.0
   DBus=libdbus-1.so.3.7.6
   GStreamer=libgstreamer-0.10.so.0.30.0
   GStreamer=libgstreamer-1.0.so.0.204.0
   GTK+3=libgtk-3.so.0.1000.8
   GTK+=libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.23
   OpenGL=libGL.so.1.2.0
   Poppler=libpoppler.so.44.0.0
   Qt4=libQtCore.so.4.8.6
   SDL=libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.4
  
   Some clue?
  
 
  There is something weird in your Gambas installation. How did you
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Re: [Gambas-user] Official release of Gambas 3.6

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Great news!

I will have the stable PPA updated tonight with armhf builds included ;)
On Oct 16, 2014 12:42 PM, Benoît Minisini gam...@users.sourceforge.net
wrote:

 Hi,

 After almost on year since the last major version, and many last-minute
 bug fixes, Gambas 3.6 has just been officially released!

 This new release fixes 459 bugs, adds 465 new features and 22
 optimizations.

 Some of the main changes are:

 - A new open project dialog in the IDE.
 - Support for session management.
 - Offline help automatically downloaded from the wiki.
 - Single-file mode for the IDE.
 - Support for transparent windows.
 - Shadowed text drawing routines.
 - New controls: Spinner, SwitchButton, DirBox, FontBox.
 - gb.gtk3 is a new GUI component based on GTK+ 3.
 - gb.inotify is a new component to monitor filesystem events with Linux
 inotify interface.
 - gb.markdown is a new component that implements the Gambas Markdown
 syntax.
 - The gb.net.smtp component has been entirely rewritten in Gambas and
 fixed.

 See the Release Notes for the list of all new features and bug fixes.

 Now let's start hacking for Gambas 3.7. The main goal now is making a
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Re: [Gambas-user] Official release of Gambas 3.6

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I would like to know if there is any interest in having a Beta repository
too. I know we already have two, but major releases of gambas are months
apart and I have read some cases where the bug being fixed was breaking a
project.

This beta repository would use the latest code from the stable branch,
which includes bug fixes merged since the latest stable release. It would
be almost the same as the Stable PPA is now, but with bug fixes backported.

If you have any interest please let me know!
On Oct 16, 2014 6:36 PM, Christof Thalhofer chri...@deganius.de wrote:

 Hi,

 Am 16.10.2014 um 19:44 schrieb Sebastian Kulesz:
  Great news!
 
  I will have the stable PPA updated tonight with armhf builds included ;)

 Cool! I was waiting for that. :-)


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Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas daily Debian packages require 3.6

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I just updated the PPA to use the new 3.6.99 unstable version. This should
fix your problem Christof.
Packages are now versioned using the svn revision (i.e gambas3
- 3.6.99+svn6523+build47~ubuntu12.04.1), so this should make it easier to
report new bugs and inform the revision being used.

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Christof Thalhofer chri...@deganius.de
wrote:

 Am 09.10.2014 um 10:55 schrieb Benoît Minisini:

  It's normal, 3.6 will be released soon. Revert to an older package
  version if possible (I don't know), or don't use ppa for making packages
  of your app.

 Ok, no problem. I'll wait.


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Re: [Gambas-user] How to install gambas3 on a banana pi??

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It comes from the fact that the Stable PPA does not have ARM builds
enabled. Y sent a request to Launchpad to have it enabled, but the first
builds will be for Gambas 3.6, as I don't want the x86 and ARM packages to
be out of sync. You can try the Daily Builds PPA which has had ARM packages
for a few months now.

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 Hello all,

 In the original Repository of Lubunto for banana pi there is only a
 Gambas3 3.1.1!! (was a good one a long time ago!)

 I tried a lot to install Gambas3 3.5.4 on my banana pi (armhf) with
 lubuntu.
 Installing from source went completely wrong.

 Then I tried the ppa:gambas-team/gambas3

 Here I get a strange reaction:
 Some packets show up in
  version 3.5.4.22~ubuntu14.04.1
 while others show
  version 3.5.3-0trusty3.

 When I now try to install Complete visual development environment for
 Gambas (Version 3.5.4.22~ubuntu14.04.1) I get several messages that
 many components can not be installed. This seems to come from the
 different versions of the gambas3 components.

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Re: [Gambas-user] gbr3: unable to load component: gb.markdown

[Sebastian Kulesz]

For some reason the gb.markdown package exists but is empty. I looked at
the build files and they seem correct.
Unfortunately, I won't be able to fix this until August 8th. I'm really
sorry about that.
On Jul 22, 2014 6:18 PM, Daniel Quintero dquin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes:

 On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Sebastian Kulesz sebi...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 It will be fixed in tomorrow's builds. Sorry about that, i have no idea why
 this wasn't added months ago.


 On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Nikola Rogozarski n.rogozar...@gmail.com
 
 wrote:

  I tried to install gambas from daily PPA but it seems there is a problem.
  Gambas installed without problem. But when I wanted to start it, the
 error
  occurs gbr3: unable to load component: gb.markdown
 
  Does anyone have a solution for this ???

 And:

 On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Benoît Minisini 
 gam...@users.sourceforge.net wrote:
 Le 22/07/2014 21:13, Larry Moore a écrit :
  At 0850 on 22 Jul 2014, I received a gambas3 update through the Ubuntu
  updater. After the update, gambas3 will not launch. Using the terminal, I
  tried launching gambas and received this message: gbr3: unable to load
  component: gb.markdown. How do I fix this?

 Apparently you are using the daily paa, whose packages were
 incorrectly made. There were some posts about that in the mailing-list.

 My system details are:

 -- Daily PPA's
 -- LinuxMint 17 (qiana)
 -- GNOME: 3.8.4 (Ubuntu 2014-03-17) ** Mate **
 -- Kernel: 3.13.0-24-generic (#47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:31:42 UTC 2014)
 -- GCC Version: 4.8 (i686-linux-gnu)
 -- Xorg Version: 1.15.1 (16 April 2014  01:40:08PM)

 The packages of daily ppa are still wrong, but I don't know who need to
 correct this

 :/

 Regards

 *_*
 *Lic. Daniel Quintero Rojas*

 *¡Saludos desde México!*



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  Le 22/07/2014 00:11, Daniel Quintero a écrit :
   Hi all, I just got back from vacation and when I update my system today
  and
   want to launch Gambas, I found this error:
  
   gbr3: unable to load component: gb.markdown
  
   What can I do to correct it?
  
   Regards
  
 
  If you don't give any detail about your system, it's hard to help you.
  There was posts about that problem on the mailing-list last week, maybe
  this is the same problem as you?
 
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Re: [Gambas-user] gbr3: unable to load component: gb.markdown

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Do you have a launchpad account? I don't know why the GB.markdown  gambas
executable is not being added to the package. There must be a typo with the
packaging rules.
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 Le 23/07/2014 01:48, Sebastian Kulesz a écrit :
  For some reason the gb.markdown package exists but is empty. I looked at
  the build files and they seem correct.
  Unfortunately, I won't be able to fix this until August 8th. I'm really
  sorry about that.

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Re: [Gambas-user] gbr3: unable to load component: gb.markdown

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Got it. It's an easy fix, but I'm at the airport so I won't be able to fix
it. Send me the email you used asap! I will tell you what to do. You only
need to commit a file
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 Do you have a launchpad account? I don't know why the GB.markdown  gambas
 executable is not being added to the package. There must be a typo with the
 packaging rules.
 On Jul 22, 2014 8:55 PM, Benoît Minisini gam...@users.sourceforge.net
 wrote:

 Le 23/07/2014 01:48, Sebastian Kulesz a écrit :
  For some reason the gb.markdown package exists but is empty. I looked at
  the build files and they seem correct.
  Unfortunately, I won't be able to fix this until August 8th. I'm really
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Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas 3.5.4 and the Stable PPA

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Gambas 3.5.4 has just been pushed to the new repository. You can add it
executing:

$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3

If you have the previous PPA added, this one will just supersede it and
update Gambas using the new packages. If you are in a production
environment, do not update just yet.
For this reason, if you do update, please leave some feedback saying if it
is working as expected or if something is broken.

I want to thank those who proposed to help me. I was able to set apart some
time to work on this though, but thanks a lot anyway! :)


PS: I will be adding a Lucid build later today or tomorrow.


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 On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Caveat gam...@caveat.demon.co.uk wrote:
  I have Ubuntu here, was hoping someone else would volunteer first so I
  didn't have to... :-D
 
  I haven't packaged before but know my way around bash scripts, svn, git
  and the like.
 start with the debian packaging guidelines to get an idea of how the
 system works in general. https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging
 Next, download the debian 3.5.4 packages in sid.
 https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/gambas3 [look at the bottom of the
 page]

 These debian packages will compile as-is on later versions of ubuntu,
 all you will need to do is change the name of the target distro in
 debian/changelog from unstable to raring, quantic or whatever.
 Your problem is going to be the older versions, some gambas3
 subpackages [gb.jit, gb.media, possibly a couple of others] just won't
 compile as the relevant libraries are too old. You will need to
 produce versions of gambas3 that don't have those subpackages.

 [as an aside, this is why I've never bothered producing a version for
 debian stable, lots of stuff won't compile and so the reality is most
 debian people who want to run an up-to-date gambas will need to
 upgrade their whole system anyway]


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Re: [Gambas-user] gb.markdown

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It will be fixed in tomorrow's builds. Sorry about that, i have no idea why
this wasn't added months ago.


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Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas 3.5.4 and the Stable PPA

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On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Willy Raets wi...@earthshipbelgium.be
wrote:

 On za, 2014-07-12 at 02:38 -0300, Sebastian Kulesz wrote:
  Hey! Long time no see.
 
  I got word a few hours ago that Kendek won't be maintaining the Stable
 PPA
  any more. Instead, he created a new PPA under the gambas-team Launchpad
  name and uploaded the current stable (3.5.3) packages so they can be
  updated by us.

 I've seen his PPA has been archived and mailed him. He told me the same.

 
  The thing is, I don't have ubuntu installed in my computer as i don't
 need
  it to manage the Daily Builds PPA. The problem arises when trying to push
  Gambas 3.5.4 to the Stable PPA using the same method i'm using for the
  Daily Builds. To do this, i have to bisect 3 repositories to find the
  revision which corresponds to the release of the 5.* branch. Right now,
  this repositories correspond to the next release of Gambas (3.6). So,
 even
  if i were to do the bisection and find the working revision, the builds
  would still differ from the one Kendek made.

 Could you not simply take from svn 3.5 branch, instead of picking
 revisions, or am I understanding this wrong?


We are talking about different repositories. I will use a different method
to package Gambas because i don't have ubuntu installed. Some of the
advantages are the ones i explained in the first email. I can't use the
same method as kendek because i don't have ubuntu installed.
Currently, there is a common branch which holds common files from the
/debian folder used to generate the source files, and the series specific
repositories for each ubuntu version we support in the PPA. You can look
here [0] for those.

The thing is, these repositories are in sync with trunk, they hold the new
components information, installation rules and dependencies. I don't track
minor version releases because it is pointless to do so for the Daily
Builds PPA. So, to build for the Stable PPA, i have to go back in history
an look for the first change made to the packaging structure for Gambas
3.5.99, aka 3.6.



 
  Because of this, I decided not to package this release in the new PPA for
  now. Different package methods can introduce bugs that should not exist
 in
  a stable distribution.
  Don't get me wrong, with enough time, i know it can be done. But i'm
  currently studying for finals and time is really scarce.

 I'm glad you are willing to take up this job, but your finals go first,
 so we will be patient.:)


I will be done next thursday. As soon as i get home i will start working on
a fix for the stable PPA.



 
  If anybody is up for the job, please let me know. If it's not too time
  consuming i will do my best to help get it done.

 I wish I knew how to package, have been reading about it and was advised
 to start with simple packages. Packaging Gambas doesn't seem a good
 point of start for learning how to package debs in general.


  Next week, once i'm done, i will fix the repositories to also build the
  Stable releases, but until the next major release I won't label it as
  stable. I don't want to put extra work where it is not needed.
 
  Bad news aside, this move brings the possibility for automatic Beta
 builds.
  This ones will be based off the current stable branch, and be updated
 every
  time there is a merge from trunk to backport a bugfix.
  This shortens the window of getting a fix for a stopping bug from months
 to
  24 hours! :)
 
 Sounds promising, looking forward to it and thanks for your efforts to
 get Gambas latest stable available on Ubuntu and its siblings...

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[Gambas-user] Gambas 3.5.4 and the Stable PPA

[Sebastian Kulesz]

Hey! Long time no see.

I got word a few hours ago that Kendek won't be maintaining the Stable PPA
any more. Instead, he created a new PPA under the gambas-team Launchpad
name and uploaded the current stable (3.5.3) packages so they can be
updated by us.

The thing is, I don't have ubuntu installed in my computer as i don't need
it to manage the Daily Builds PPA. The problem arises when trying to push
Gambas 3.5.4 to the Stable PPA using the same method i'm using for the
Daily Builds. To do this, i have to bisect 3 repositories to find the
revision which corresponds to the release of the 5.* branch. Right now,
this repositories correspond to the next release of Gambas (3.6). So, even
if i were to do the bisection and find the working revision, the builds
would still differ from the one Kendek made.

Because of this, I decided not to package this release in the new PPA for
now. Different package methods can introduce bugs that should not exist in
a stable distribution.
Don't get me wrong, with enough time, i know it can be done. But i'm
currently studying for finals and time is really scarce.

If anybody is up for the job, please let me know. If it's not too time
consuming i will do my best to help get it done.
Next week, once i'm done, i will fix the repositories to also build the
Stable releases, but until the next major release I won't label it as
stable. I don't want to put extra work where it is not needed.

Bad news aside, this move brings the possibility for automatic Beta builds.
This ones will be based off the current stable branch, and be updated every
time there is a merge from trunk to backport a bugfix.
This shortens the window of getting a fix for a stopping bug from months to
24 hours! :)

Again, if you want to help, please let me know!
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Re: [Gambas-user] Daily Builds PPA stuck at gambas3_3.5.99.1+svn20140509...

[Sebastian Kulesz]

Hey! Sorry it took me this long. I'm a full time student and time is
scarce. New builds are on the way. Trusty already has an updated version
but if forgot to add the new packages to the gambas3 metapackage before
building. You should be fine, but i'm letting you know just in case
(tomorrow's build will include the fix though).

Please let me know of any issues you find!


On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Benoît Minisini 
gam...@users.sourceforge.net wrote:

 Le 17/05/2014 16:36, Willy Raets a écrit :
  Hi all,
 
  Seems the Gambas Daily Builds PPA is stuck at 09 may 2014.
  Problem seems to start with this (1) update where gb.desktop has
  undergone some changes and a new component gb.desktop.x11 was
  introduced.
 
  Hope one of the maintainers of the PPA picks up on this post.
 
  (1)
  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gambas-team/+junk/gambas-svn/revision/5049
 

 Yep. The automatic build now raises an error message about a missing
 file in gb.desktop, whereas gb.desktop component has disappeared (it is
 now a pure Gambas component located in /comp).

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Re: [Gambas-user] Wrong behaviour of logger.level

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On Feb 20, 2014 1:46 PM, Emanuele Sottocorno sot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Sebastian,
 tanks for your reply. I think there is an error into logger component.
 The doc say:

 Dim  hLoggerAs  Logger  
http://gambasdoc.org/help/comp/gb.logging/logger?v3

 hLogger=  New  Logger  
http://gambasdoc.org/help/comp/gb.logging/logger?v3  (  *[*  _iMinLevel_
 As  Integer,  _sOutput_  As  String  *]*  )

 Creates a new Logger
 http://gambasdoc.org/help/comp/gb.logging/logger?v3 object
 http://gambasdoc.org/help/def/object?v3 targeting the log file
 specified by _sOutput_. The minimum acceptable message level is
 specified by the _iMinLevel_ parameter.

 If _sOutput_ is not specified then log messages are sent to /stdout/.

 _Messages sent with a level lower than __iMinLevel__are ignored. _

 try this:

I believe you misunderstood the documentation.


 Public Sub Main()
 Dim hLog As Logger
hLog = New Logger(Logger.Debug)

This says: log anything more important than Debug

Logger.Begin
Logger.Log(this should not logged, Logger.Warning)

Warning is far more important than debug, so it should be logged.

I encourage you to read the rfc to get a better understanding on why this
is the expected behaviour.

 End

 The log message will appear inside the Gambas Console

 The failing instruction, I suppose, is:

 Public Function isEnabledFor(iLevel As Integer) As Boolean

Return (iLevel = $iLevel) --- should be Return (iLevel = $iLevel)
 End

Try to self compile and install the component with this line changed, you
will see that it will appear to be broken, as it won't log almost anything!


 Enjoy your vacations!

Thanks! ;)


 Il 20/02/2014 20:57, Sebastian Kulesz ha scritto:
  Hi! I'm the author of the gb.logging component. I'm on vacations right
now,
  so I can't review your issue. I've starred this email and will be
taking a
  look when I get back home. Afaik the component is working correctly, so
  please review the documentation and the rfc on which it is based (you
can
  find a link in the docs too)
 
  Sorry for my late response.
  On Feb 20, 2014 9:29 AM, Emanuele Sottocorno sot...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Il 18/02/2014 12:58, Emanuele Sottocorno ha scritto:
  Maybe I misunderstood the rule, but following the wiki:
 
  Property Level As Integer
 
  Sets or returns the minimum logging level for the Logger object.
 
  but seems operating contrariwise. See the attached project.
 
  [System]
  Gambas=3.5.90 (rev. 6164)
  OperatingSystem=Linux
  Kernel=3.11.0-15-generic
  Architecture=x86_64
  Distribution=Ubuntu 13.10
  Desktop=GNOME
  Theme=QGtk
  Language=it_IT.UTF-8
  Memory=7836M
 
  [Libraries]
  Cairo=libcairo.so.2.11200.16
  Curl=libcurl.so.4.3.0
  DBus=libdbus-1.so.3.7.4
  GStreamer=libgstreamer-0.10.so.0.30.0
  GStreamer=libgstreamer-1.0.so.0.200.0
  GTK+3=libgtk-3.so.0.800.6
  GTK+=libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.20
  OpenGL=libGL.so.1.2.0
  Poppler=libpoppler.so.43.0.0
  Qt4=libQtCore.so.4.8.4
  SDL=libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.4
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Re: [Gambas-user] gb.logging: out of bounds error with certain fields

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It should be fixed in revision #6092. Please let me know how it went!
On Jan 20, 2014 1:08 PM, Tobias Boege tabo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Sebastian,

 I get an Out of bounds error with the attached project. I haven't used
 gb.logging myself yet, so I can't say more. I'm just mediating the report
 to you...

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Re: [Gambas-user] gb.logging API change

[Sebastian Kulesz]

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Bruce bbr...@paddys-hill.net wrote:

 On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 01:14 -0200, Sebastian Kulesz wrote:
  I just commited an update to the gb.logging component. Please note that a
  call to Logger.Begin() is no longer necessary and will fail. The log is
  automatically opened for writing when creating the logger.
 
  A recent change, too, is the ability to use the component without
 creating
  a Logger instance. If you call Logger.Log(...) a new, hidden instance
 will
  be created for you. This is useful if you only need one Logger and use it
  in multiple Modules/Classes of you application. It will save you a public
  variable and a few LOC.

 Grraagh! I just spent several hours working up a solution for
 logging to a single log across multiple components/libraries.

 One question, is there any change to the parameters? AKA where does the
 log info get sent to when using the hidden instance?


The first time you use it, it will create the hidden instance with the
default values. As it was standing, it was impossible to change the output
of the logger, as it could only be set when creating an instance and by
default it was Stdout.

So, in the new revision you can change the format, level and output using
the logger properties. I was forced to add the Begin() call again (Sorry
about that). Once this function is called, Logger.Output can't be changed.



 
  Also, it is now possible to redirect the Logger output to stderr ;)
 
  Hope you like it! Please let me know any thoughts!

 I have been thinking (hard to believe!) about some kind of scheme for
 logging to multiple files. Some ideas were to
 a) use the cron approach i.e. 3 logs error, info and warning but
 probably error, info and debug would be better suited to a
 development system like Gambas.
 b) similar to a) but allow configuration as to what level message goes
 to which log.

 Here on our production stuff we really need to keep errors  warnings
 very separate from the info log(s) as they need high visibility (i.e. if
 error.log is not empty then everyone panic!), the info logs are of two
 types, general this got done and that got done and this is what came
 out data and audit data (bluh!) and we really need the debug.log on
 the dev/fix side of things.


Remember you can output wherever you want and set a custom format. What i
recommend you, depending on your setup, is to either output to a file and
monitor it for changes. When one is found you look for the debug name using
regexp (remember, custom format) and copy that line to another file of your
choice. Or to pipe the output of your application to a bash script which
will scan the log for it's level name and append it to a file of your
choice.




 The other thing I would like to see is a way to increase the number of
 levels of detail once we get down to the debug level. This would be on
 an application basis.


Done! Level can now be greater than Logger.Debug. The $(levelname) tag will
now be replaced by CUSTOM DEBUG in this case. You can use it in conjunction
with $(levelno) to describe the debug level.




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Re: [Gambas-user] gb.logging API change

[Sebastian Kulesz]

My bad. It should be fixed in rev #6010. Please let me know!


On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Bruce bbr...@paddys-hill.net wrote:

 Sebastian,

 With the new version the $(callLocation) is always returning the same
 location (Logger._call.95).

 I stuck some debug in the Formatter to print the stack backtrace, here's
 what I get when using the Logger from outside:

 Formatter.GetCallLocation.10: Formatter.GetCallLocation.10
 Formatter._call.45
 Logger.Log.87
 Logger._call.95
 Application._init.57

 i.e. I think you should be using System.Backtrace[4] instead of [3]

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[Gambas-user] gb.logging API change

[Sebastian Kulesz]

I just commited an update to the gb.logging component. Please note that a
call to Logger.Begin() is no longer necessary and will fail. The log is
automatically opened for writing when creating the logger.

A recent change, too, is the ability to use the component without creating
a Logger instance. If you call Logger.Log(...) a new, hidden instance will
be created for you. This is useful if you only need one Logger and use it
in multiple Modules/Classes of you application. It will save you a public
variable and a few LOC.

Also, it is now possible to redirect the Logger output to stderr ;)

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Re: [Gambas-user] A little article on Gambas on Phoronix

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Why not? They are hilarious!
On Nov 25, 2013 4:32 PM, Kende Krisztián n...@freemail.hu wrote:

 2013-11-25 20:09 keltezéssel, Benoît Minisini írta:
  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTUyNTM
 

 Just don't read the comments. :-)

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Re: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.5.1

[Sebastian Kulesz]

I wanted to step in earlier but with finals coming closer i'm short of time.

I believe you are mixing a few things here. Ubuntu 12.04 is not the latest
stable release, 13.10 is, 12.04 is the latest release with LTS, which is a
completely different thing, and i understand that you want to stick with it
until it reaches EOL, but here is your problem:
There is no LTS or EOL policy with Gambas, there are only stable, daily and
old releases. We don't have the manpower to maintain an LTS release, and
with the packages in the official repositories being old and corrupt,
everyone is forced to use the Stable PPA.

The thing is, keeping a package updated like a rolling release
distribution, under a distro with LTS support will cause you a lot of
trouble with dependencies. You are already experiencing this! There is no
point to backport gstreamer-1.0, because that would mean recompiling every
package that uses it, and thus breaking the stability you are mentioning
that makes an LTS release.

So, if you want to stick with Ubuntu 12.04, don't keep updating Gambas! Use
the same policy Ubuntu uses. Choose a release that works, and stick with
it! If Ubuntu does an Import Freeze, you should too.
If you need the latest features available in Gambas, then you will also
need the latest packages Ubuntu publishes.

Summing up: you either update both, or none.
Choosing one will also cause stability issues: If you install updated
versions of packages already available in the repositories you are
contradicting the reason you want to stick with LTS (which is sticking with
versions known to be stable).

If you really need gb.media to be updated, look for other options. You have
a PPA available here [0] which will install gstreamer-1.0 along with the
default gstreamer-0.10.

Kendek: By backporting gb.media and gb.jit you are restricting me from
asking an Ubuntu MOTU to sync the Gambas packages for older series with
your PPA once the Debian repository is updated. They will not accept a
package which has a dependency not available in the official repos.

[0]
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On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Willy Raets wi...@earthshipbelgium.bewrote:

 On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 18:16 +0100, Kende Krisztián wrote:
  It seems that this was a very well done release. Gambas3-runtime was
  downloaded ~15.000 times from nemh/gambas3 PPA, so far, no bug reports.
 :-)


 Here is what happens on my test system.
 It is a replication of Gambas applications running in a production
 environment, installed using .deb packages.

 I'll first give you some details on the situation.

 The system had Gambas 3.4.2 applications installed (no Gambas IDE as it
 is on end user sytems).
 The Gambas applications installed:
 App 1
 - depends on gb.args, gb.desktop, gb.form, gb.gui, gb.image,
 gb.net.curl, gb.net.smtp, gb.settings
 - depends on a Gambas library depending on gb.gui, gb.image, gb.net,
 gb.net.curl, gb.net.smtp, gb.settings

 Apps 2 and 3
 - depends on gb.args, gb.cairo, gb.desktop, gb.form, gb.image,  gb.net,
 gb.net.curl, gb.net.smtp, gb.qt4, gb.qt4.ext, gb.settings
 - depends on a Gambas library depending on gb.image, gb.net,
 gb.net.curl, gb.net.smtp, gb.qt4, gb.settings

 Apps 4
 - depends on gb.args, gb.cairo, gb.desktop, gb.form, gb.image,  gb.net,
 gb.net.curl, gb.net.smtp, gb.qt4, gb.qt4.ext, gb.qt4.webkit, gb.settings
 - depends on a Gambas library depending on gb.image, gb.net,
 gb.net.curl, gb.net.smtp, gb.qt4, gb.settings

 App 5
 - depends on gb.args, gb.form, gb.image, gb.mime, gb.qt4, gb.settings

 When updating from 3.4.2 to 3.5.1 these parts get updated:
 gambas3-gb-cairo
 gambas3-gb-form
 gambas3-gb-gtk
 gambas3-gb-image
 gambas3-gb-net
 gambas3-gb-net-curl
 gambas3-gb-qt4
 gambas3-gb-qt4-ext
 gambas3-gb-qt4-webkit

 All other parts stayed at 3.4.2 and where not updated.
 After this none of the applications would install!!

 So I upgraded gambas3-runtime (still at 3.4.2) to 3.5.1
 This caused App 1 + Gambas library it needs to be removed
 This caused App 5 to be uninstalled

 App 2, 3 and 4 still run, although following components are still on
 3.4.2 version:
 gambas3-gb-args
 gambas3-gb-desktop
 gambas3-gb-net-smtp

 I did upgrade them to 3.5.1 after testing the Apps.

 The Gambas library using gb.gui can not be reinstalled
 Dependency error = gambas3-gb-gui (=3.0.90).
 Because of this App 1 can't be installed as it depends on above Gambas
 library.

 App 5 did reinstall and I still wonder why it got removed!!
 Could be an older version of the app using gb.gtk was still installed.
 The newest version used gb.qt4, at that seems to be okay.

 It seems that gb.gui apps will not install if there are other Gambas
 apps installed using gb.qt4.

 The system is a Lubuntu 12.04 LXDE, so gb.gui would prefer using gb.gtk.
 What has changed that Gambas apps using gb.gtk and gb.qt4 can't run on
 the same system?

 So 

Re: [Gambas-user] how to make threats

[Sebastian Kulesz]

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Tobias Boege tabo...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, 13 Nov 2013, Sebastian Kulesz wrote:
  I had the same problem, you can look at my solution here [0]. Basically,
 i
  used a pool of HttpClients with the async property set to True.
 
  The logic goes like this. I have an index files which tracks around 120
  files stored online. Not going to get into how i update each file without
  downloading the rest, but suppose i want to download all files to build a
  local copy. By default, i create an array of 10 HttpClient instances.
 With
  DEFAULT_CLIENT_COUNT you can set it to be more.
  I then load each URL into a queue and start a timer which runs every 10
 ms.
  In each run, the timer checks for a free HttpClient instance, if there is
  one it loads it with the popped  URL and saves the file into a predefined
  folder with the same name as it was stored in the server. It runs until
 the
  queue count is 0.
 
  You could use tasks, but i found this to be better as it is easier to
 keep
  track of the progress.
 
 
 
  [0]
 
 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sebikul/mundus/trunk/view/head:/.src/Index.module
 

 Argh! There is a sweet little Queue class in gb.data. I even wrote
 documentation for it! And you keep using Private $aQueue As String[]? :-)


I know, sorry!! Last commit to that module was December of last year. It
was before the gb.data API was stable enough to use it. :P



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[Gambas-user] [PSA] Gambas Daily Builds PPA has moved

[Sebastian Kulesz]

tl;dr: If you are using the Daily Builds PPA, it has moved from the
previous location, please read to keep Gambas updated.

The Daily Builds PPA, previously located at ppa:sebikul/gambas-daily has
moved to ppa:gambas-team/gambas-daily. This is to avoid Kendek from
performing untested changes to the Stable PPA, and avoiding potential
issues.

The quickest method to update is to execute:
# add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas-daily
# apt-get update
# apt-get upgrade

This way the old PPA will still be active, but will be superseded by the
new one. If you would like to remove it, search the following lines in your
.sources files and comment them out or delete them:
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/sebikul/gambas-daily/ubuntuYOUR_UBUNTU_VERSION_HERE
main deb-src
http://ppa.launchpad.net/sebikul/gambas-daily/ubuntuYOUR_UBUNTU_VERSION_HERE
main

I will keep the packages there for 2 weeks to give you enough time to
update. After that, executing apt-get update with the old PPA will fail
with a 404 error. So eventually you *will* have to remove this lines.

I will update the wiki now. If you are a member of a Gambas forum, please
help me spread the word!!

Thanks! :)
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Re: [Gambas-user] if-else vs try who are best faster in machine time?

[Sebastian Kulesz]

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Jussi Lahtinen jussi.lahti...@gmail.comwrote:

 Why not simply write benchmark?


A benchmark wouldn't be accurate, as it will be IO bound, and being an old
machine, better reduce disk IO than CPU usage (I'm guessing it uses IDE
drives; which have low access time too). Besides, first option can fail if
you don't have write access to the file, thus needing a third access to
check for permission to delete. Better use Try and catch the Error; let me
explain:

If you want to analyze the access to disk, the Try/Catch will access n
times the disk, n the amount of files. The If Exist(...) Then Kill ...
will access the disk at least n and at most 2n. 3n at most if you check for
write permissions.

Anyway, that's my opinion ;)



 Jussi


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  i have  several I/O write and i wish to know what its the best choice:
 
  1) If Exist(ruta_img_foto) Then Kill ruta_img_foto
 
  or
 
  2) Try Kill ruta_img_foto
 
  of course, maybe depends of how the if-else works respect the try logic!
 
  please, i need this info, i use low end machines like daruma's 
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Re: [Gambas-user] Specifications for Gambas 3 packaging : updated!

[Sebastian Kulesz]

Sorry for my late step up, time has not been in my side. I just pushed the
updated rules to the PPA.

Note to Kendek: The testing of the new specifications should have been done
in the Daily Builds PPA, that is it's purpose. Too many people *depend* on
yours to be breaking it. I created a team in Launchpad so you too can have
access to it (I still have to add you though). I will be moving the
repositories and recipes over the coming hours. Once everything is moved i
will create a new thread to let people know. The location will change, but
packages will still be available under ppa:~sebikul/gambas-daily although
outdated. I will delete them after a few weeks.

The new URI of the PPA will be:  ppa:gambas-team/gambas-daily
And the URL of the team: launchpad.net/~gambas-team

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Benoît Minisini 
gam...@users.sourceforge.net wrote:

 Le 29/10/2013 19:28, Kende Krisztián a écrit :
 
  2013-10-29 19:04 keltezéssel, Tobias Boege írta:
  On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, Kende Kriszti?n wrote:
  2013-10-28 20:37 keltez?ssel, Beno?t Minisini ?rta:
  Hi,
 
  The specifications of how to package Gambas 3 have been updated
 (list
  of components, dependencies), thanks to all errors and misses detected
  by Kende Kriszti?n.
 
  If anyone find any error in it, please tell!
 
  Regards,
 
  I created a Debian installer package with Gambas IDE. I checked, and
  debian/control file contain this:
 
  Depends: gambas3-runtime (= 3.0.90), gambas3-runtime ( 3.99.0),
  gambas3-gb-image (= 3.0.90), gambas3-gb-image ( 3.99.0),
  gambas3-gb-gui (= 3.0.90), gambas3-gb-gui ( 3.99.0), gambas3-gb-form
  (= 3.0.90), gambas3-gb-form ( 3.99.0)
 
  But the correct dependencies are the following:
 
  Depends: gambas3-runtime (= 3.5.0), gambas3-gb-image (= 3.5.0),
  gambas3-gb-gtk (= 3.5.0), gambas3-gb-qt4 (= 3.5.0), gambas3-gb-form
  (= 3.5.0)
 
  So this packager is completly useless on Debian and Ubuntu. Does not
  meet the specifications.
  This package is not work with Gambas 3.4 or older, and gambas3-gb-gui
  package is not exist. And if gambas3-gb-gtk and gambas3-gb-qt4 is not
  dependency, the application will not start.
 
  We had a user at gambas-club.de reporting that he cannot install
 packages
  made by your PPA's 3.5.0 IDE. The problem was also about something with
  gambas3-gb-gui not being found. I'm glad this problem found its way to
 the
  list without me having to mediate it (because I don't know anything
 about
  Debian/Ubuntu packaging).
 
  What should I tell him?
 
  Regards,
  Tobi
 
 
  It's funny, because Benoît said that if I not followed the packaging
  specifications, the integrated packager is completly useless. But now
  that I fully abide by the rules, does not work anymore.
  I'd say wait until this bug is corrected in Gambas IDE.
 

 You're right, I don't know what I have smoked.

 I have updated the minimum version requirements in revision #5920. Now
 each components is = current gambas major version and  3.99.0.

 I will make a 3.5.1 as soon as we have fixed most of the problems.

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Re: [Gambas-user] Official release of Gambas 3.5

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I got a response from 2 of the official Debían maintainers (they are both
subscribers of this list, I believe). After a few messages, they agreed to
fix as many bugs as possible in the packages, and upload them by next week
regardless of it's state. This is so that Gambas makes it's way into the
next Debian stable release, as the freeze is not far away. If errors
remain, they will be fixed later.

Lets stick with them for now. Once they are updated I will contact an
Ubuntu MOTO to perform the sync and the backport from Debian.

If you want to help, please send and email to
gambas-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org so that you can coordinate with them.
Do not work on your own, as it will be a waste of your time.

Many thanks to José Luis Redrejo Rodríguez and Ian Haywood for offering
their help and time!
In the next menssages i'll change the title of threat to WIP Packagin
gambas for Debian

From: Sebastian Kulesz sebi...@gmail.com
 I've been in contact with one of the Debian maintainers who agreed to
 update the packages once they are fixed. He does not have enough time now
 to do it,
yeah the same response from debian, not enought time, but not enough
flexible rules for people the already have the time (very politic
right?), well, let's work guy's

 but I see that you know a lot about Debian packaging guidelines.
 Would you be willing the update the packages so they meet the needed
 quality to be pushed?
well one month ago i made the VenenuX packages but those still not fix
guidelines, but Kende said that it started from debian 3.1.1 sources
(as i answer below), i'll help to try to improve.. but debian rules
are not fit for gambas guidelines, i think we will need a debian
participation and flexibility


From: Kende Kriszti?n n...@freemail.hu
 What? We have to clarify one thing. My PPA is not an official Gambas
 repository. Originally I created this for me and for people who use my
i already know that kende, gut that's not was talking about, let's see:

 The starting point is the Gambas 3.1.1 from Debian repository.
 According to this is a good quality source.
obviously i said that, but u not note that the debian mantianer and
the debian packages are not fully qualified, certanly, the debian
oficial gambas packages are not good sources,

but its obvious for u that a good started was from debian sources, due
for less conflicts in winbuntu instalations and for less work in each
updates

NOW HOW TO WORK ABOUT THE PACKAGES:

1) the first point its the copyright licence file, we must put all
related info about all sources, NOTE THAT each file not licenced must
be indicate

2) litian warnings, must be supressed, i note that each library in
gambas are modules, so there's no static or dinamic builds at real!

For now these two points are a lot of work.. then we must defined the
package names (if necesary but seems kende hav domination over that)
related on the conflicts and dependences

4) when we have a semi-good package dsc, debian.tar.gz and source, we
must upload to mentors or reference to PPA of kende, and search for
mentor in debian mentors, if the debian oficial mantainer can skip
this step are a good sing

IMPORTANT NOTE: examples must not be compiled/build in debian oficial,
due some policy, this are very unhappy for users, due each example
must be saved before run, so i will read the policy and ask for that
point...

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Re: [Gambas-user] Official release of Gambas 3.5

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On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:37 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz mckaygerh...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 From: Sebastian Kulesz sebi...@gmail.com
  Hey Kendek! Putting the reorganization aside, I would like to rebase the
  packages from the Daily Builds PPA with your latest work, so as to keep
  both repositories homogeneous. Is that is okey? ;)
 Until package reorganization are not done, Debian mantainers will
 rejected the petition, there are two main objetives in debian package:
 liecense policy and lintian errors/messages
 A good work its the Debian mark!


I've been in contact with one of the Debian maintainers who agreed to
update the packages once they are fixed. He does not have enough time now
to do it, but I see that you know a lot about Debian packaging guidelines.
Would you be willing the update the packages so they meet the needed
quality to be pushed?


  I know this implies that Debian users would be left without packaged
  updates, but we can't say we didn't try. I will keep you posted. Fingers
  crossed ;)

 From: Kende Kriszti?n n...@freemail.hu
  I don't understand the Debian maintainers. What could be the reason
  that they are not to update the packages?
 Some of main reasons are:
 1) lack of mantainers (well its some hard, must read a lot of policies)
 2) hard GPL and strict policyes on package quality! (see D.F.S.G. policy)
 Debian are the most older but most stable distribution due that's reasons

  like to upgrade the Ubuntu repositories.
  So I hope that there will be some progress in the case. :-)
 Debian are a important source guideline for those repositories, that
 another reason,, changes implicy lof of extra work betweent team of
 mantainers.. its obious that the request will be rejected if rework of
 packages over PPA are not done

 From: Sebastian Kulesz sebi...@gmail.com
  some stuff?? A 4.6 MB patch file is not some stuff ;)
  I will update the repositories during the weekend when i have time to
 move
  and review all the changes.
 Its good idea made a review of debian policy mantainer guides


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Re: [Gambas-user] Official release of Gambas 3.5

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Hey Kendek! Putting the reorganization aside, I would like to rebase the
packages from the Daily Builds PPA with your latest work, so as to keep
both repositories homogeneous. Is that is okey? ;)

As a side note: I asked an Ubuntu MOTU about getting the Gambas3 packages
updated directly in the Ubuntu repositories, skipping the Debian ones. As
packages are already available from Kendek's PPA, the process would be
pretty straightforward. I was strongly recommended to contact the Debian
maintainers before requesting this, so i did. I will wait a few days for a
response. If i get no answer i will try to get another Debian Developer to
sponsor the project and update the packages. If i'm not lucky with that
either i will ask for a MOTU to sponsor the upgrade and detach the Ubuntu
packages from the Debian ones.

I know this implies that Debian users would be left without packaged
updates, but we can't say we didn't try. I will keep you posted. Fingers
crossed ;)


On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Kende Krisztián n...@freemail.hu wrote:

   i think i'ts time
  to reorganize u'r packages.. i reorganize time ago the packages of
  venenux!

 Just as you see fit! I do not matter, the name venenux does not tell
 me much. But I see that keen you are.


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Re: [Gambas-user] Official release of Gambas 3.5

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On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Kende Krisztián n...@freemail.hu wrote:

  Hey Kendek! Putting the reorganization aside, I would like to rebase
  the packages from the Daily Builds PPA with your latest work, so as
  to keep both repositories homogeneous. Is that is okey? ;)

 Yeah, that's good idea. :-)
 I re-wrote some stuff, and I updated the manuals as well.


some stuff?? A 4.6 MB patch file is not some stuff ;)

I see that you updated the Automake files to version 1.13. What's the
difference with the current version of the scripts? Are there any
difference between Ubuntu series of this patch? Upsides, downsides? Is the
build time affected by this?

I will update the repositories during the weekend when i have time to move
and review all the changes.




  As a side note: I asked an Ubuntu MOTU about getting the Gambas3
  packages updated directly in the Ubuntu repositories, skipping the
  Debian ones. As packages are already available from Kendek's PPA, the
  process would be pretty straightforward. I was strongly recommended
  to contact the Debian maintainers before requesting this, so i did. I
  will wait a few days for a response. If i get no answer i will try to
  get another Debian Developer to sponsor the project and update the
  packages. If i'm not lucky with that either i will ask for a MOTU to
  sponsor the upgrade and detach the Ubuntu packages from the Debian
  ones.
 
  I know this implies that Debian users would be left without packaged
  updates, but we can't say we didn't try. I will keep you posted.
  Fingers crossed ;)

 I don't understand the Debian maintainers. What could be the reason
 that they are not to update the packages? Either way, I really would
 like to upgrade the Ubuntu repositories.
 So I hope that there will be some progress in the case. :-)


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Re: [Gambas-user] gb.logging component when was it introduced?

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On Oct 22, 2013 5:15 AM, Caveat gam...@caveat.demon.co.uk wrote:

 That's news to me... good news I mean!

 Does that mean I can throw away my ugly Logger module? :-D

Hopefully you will find this one better. ;)
If not, feel free to commit any features you think are missing.


 Kind regards,
 Caveat


 On 22/10/13 09:43, Bruce wrote:
  I just added the help content for the gb.logging component (the
  component was written by Sebastian Kulesz - I hope he doesn't mind.)
 
  But I think it was included after 3.0
 
  Does anyone know which version was the first to include it, so I can set
  the note on the Components page properly.

Great documentation!! ;)

Thanks for the effort, I couldn't find enough time to write it in the last
few days. It was introduced yesterday with the release of Gambas 3.5.

 
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Re: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.5

[Sebastian Kulesz]

Hey! Just wanted to remind you that gb.openal won't compile on lucid unless
the libopenal version requirement is lowered to 1.12. AFAIK there are no
issues with it. There is an old thread where i sent you some warnings it
threw, they are non stopping. See thread [Gambas-user] gb.openal
resources...


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Benoît Minisini 
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 Le 13/10/2013 17:11, Benoît Minisini a écrit :
  Hi,
 
  I have uploaded a source package of Gambas 3.5 there:
 
 
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/gambas/files/gambas3/gambas3-3.5.0.tar.bz2/download
 
  Please test it and report any problem, before I make it official.
 
  Thanks in advance.
 
  Regards,
 

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Re: [Gambas-user] A strange thing in the last rev

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Had that problem once. You probably updated a shared library and broke
dynamic linking. Try recompiling the gambas packager, or trunk/main from
scratch. Remember to clear the object cache (make clean, make distclean)
and ccache if you are using it.

This is how I solved it, it might work for you. Hope it helps!
On Sep 10, 2013 2:27 PM, Fabien Bodard gambas...@gmail.com wrote:

 Installing gb.eval.highlight...
 Error loading libdumb.so: libdumb.so: cannot open shared object file: No
 such file or directory
 Error loading libfluidsynth.so.1: libfluidsynth.so.1: cannot open shared
 object file: No such file or directory
 Compiling gb.args...
 OK
 Installing gb.args...
 Error loading libdumb.so: libdumb.so: cannot open shared object file: No
 such file or directory
 Error loading libfluidsynth.so.1: libfluidsynth.so.1: cannot open shared
 object file: No such file or directory
 Compiling gb.settings...
 OK
 Installing gb.settings...
 Error loading libdumb.so: libdumb.so: cannot open shared object file: No
 such file or directory
 Error loading libfluidsynth.so.1: libfluidsynth.so.1: cannot open shared
 object file: No such file or directory
 Compiling gb.gui.base...
 OK
 Installing gb.gui.base...
 Error loading libdumb.so: libdumb.so: cannot open shared object file: No
 such file or directory
 Error loading libfluidsynth.so.1: libfluidsynth.so.1: cannot open shared
 object file: No such file or directory
 Compiling gb.form...
 OK
 Installing gb.form...
 Error loading libdumb.so: libdumb.so: cannot open shared object file: No
 such file or directory
 Error loading libfluidsynth.so.1: libfluidsynth.so.1: cannot open shared
 object file: No such file or directory
 Compiling gb.form.stock...
 OK
 Installing gb.form.stock...
 Error loading libdumb.so: libdumb.so: cannot open shared object file: No
 such file or directory
 Error loading libfluidsynth.so.1: libfluidsynth.so.1: cannot open shared
 object file: No such file or directory
 Compiling gb.form.dialog...
 OK
 Installing gb.form.dialog...
 Error loading libdumb.so: libdumb.so: cannot open shared object file: No
 such file or directory
 Error loading libfluidsynth.so.1: libfluidsynth.so.1: cannot open shared
 object file: No such file or directory
 Compiling gb.form.mdi...
 OK
 Installing gb.form.mdi...
 Error loading libdumb.so: libdumb.so: cannot open shared object file: No
 such file or directory
 Error loading libfluidsynth.so.1: libfluidsynth.so.1: cannot open shared
 object file: No such file or directory
 Compiling gb.db.form...
 OK
 Installing gb.db.form...
 Error loading libdumb.so: libdumb.so: cannot open shared object file: No
 such file or directory
 Error loading libfluidsynth.so.1: libfluidsynth.so.1: cannot open shared
 object file: No such file or directory
 Compiling gb.web...
 OK
 Installing gb.web...is lib
 Error loading libdumb.so: libdumb.so: cannot open shared object file: No s


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Re: [Gambas-user] sebikul (gambas-daily) raring ppa broken

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Hi! Another user already reported this bug on the Quantal builds. It's a
really stupid mistake i left from an update i made last week. I will fix it
as soon as i get home, though i'm not sure if i will be able to do it
tonight. If it's urgent, you can temporarily enable Kendek's ppa or
downgrade the gambas3-{runtime,ide} to a working version.

I'm really sorry about this issue.


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Kevin Fishburne 
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 I've tested it on two machines just now and I get the following error:


 /var/cache/apt/archives/gambas3-gb-eval-highlight_3.4.99-1+svn4657-build41~raring1_all.deb

 trying to overwrite '/usr/share/gambas3/info/gb.eval.highlight.info',
 which is also in package gambas3-runtime 3.4.99-1+svn4657-build41~raring1


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Re: [Gambas-user] update

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I have already updated the PPA. I restructured the way it is build so
updating it is easier and faster, just to avoid this situations. Expect the
new builds to be available within a couple of hours.



On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Shane shanep1...@tpg.com.au wrote:

 On 14/08/13 13:13, Sebastian Kulesz wrote:
  I'm really sorry about that. I did not have enough time to update the PPA
  since gb.clipper came out. I will fix it tomorrow as soon as I get home.
 
  If it's urgent you can always downgrade your installation from the dpkg
  cache. Downgrading the IDE package to a working version should suffice.
 
  I will let you know when new builds are on the way.
  On Aug 13, 2013 9:14 PM, Shane shanep1...@tpg.com.au wrote:
 
  just updated gambas from
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  now gambas wont run from command line i get  $ gambas3 gbr3: unable to
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Re: [Gambas-user] update

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I'm really sorry about that. I did not have enough time to update the PPA
since gb.clipper came out. I will fix it tomorrow as soon as I get home.

If it's urgent you can always downgrade your installation from the dpkg
cache. Downgrading the IDE package to a working version should suffice.

I will let you know when new builds are on the way.
On Aug 13, 2013 9:14 PM, Shane shanep1...@tpg.com.au wrote:

 just updated gambas from
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Re: [Gambas-user] gb.openal resources...

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The only problem now is that the official version for libopenal in
Lucid is1.12. Can the component be compiled with this version? If not,
i will see
if i can get a ported package added to the ppa.


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 Le 23/07/2013 04:30, Sebastian Kulesz a écrit :
  I'm getting build errors with openal 1.13 (1.14 builds fine). Here is a
  log:
 
 https://launchpadlibrarian.net/145629777/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-i386.gambas3_3.4.99-1%2Bsvn4605-build28~precise1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
 
  Error is:
 
  c_alc.c:457:2: error: 'ALC_EXT_CAPTURE' undeclared here (not in a
 function)
 

 Please try revision #5763, and report other missings symbols in
 openal-soft 1.13.

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Re: [Gambas-user] gb.openal resources...

[Sebastian Kulesz]

I patched the configure.ac to lower the required version to 1.12. The
compilation succeeded but had a few warnings. Here [0] is the log. These
are the warnings;

make[5]: Entering directory
`/build/buildd/gambas3-3.4.99-2+svn4616/gb.openal/src'
  CC gb_openal_la-main.lo
  CC gb_openal_la-c_al.lo
  CC gb_openal_la-c_alc.lo
  CC gb_openal_la-c_alure.lo
c_alure.c: In function 'Alure_StreamSizeIsMicroSec':
c_alure.c:190: warning: implicit declaration of function
'alureStreamSizeIsMicroSec'
c_alure.c: In function 'Alure_GetStreamLength':
c_alure.c:265: warning: implicit declaration of function 'alureGetStreamLength'
c_alure.c: In function 'Alure_GetStreamFrequency':
c_alure.c:272: warning: implicit declaration of function
'alureGetStreamFrequency'
c_alure.c: In function 'Alure_SetStreamOrder':
c_alure.c:299: warning: implicit declaration of function 'alureSetStreamOrder'
c_alure.c: In function 'Alure_SetStreamPatchset':
c_alure.c:306: warning: implicit declaration of function
'alureSetStreamPatchset'
c_alure.c: In function 'Alure_Update':
c_alure.c:322: warning: implicit declaration of function 'alureUpdate'
c_alure.c: In function 'Alure_UpdateInterval':
c_alure.c:333: warning: implicit declaration of function 'alureUpdateInterval'
c_alure.c: In function 'Alure_PlaySourceStream':
c_alure.c:341: warning: implicit declaration of function 'alurePlaySourceStream'
c_alure.c: In function 'Alure_PlaySource':
c_alure.c:347: warning: implicit declaration of function 'alurePlaySource'
c_alure.c: In function 'Alure_StopSource':
c_alure.c:353: warning: implicit declaration of function 'alureStopSource'
c_alure.c: In function 'Alure_ResumeSource':
c_alure.c:359: warning: implicit declaration of function 'alureResumeSource'
  CCLD   gb.openal.la

[0] 
https://launchpadlibrarian.net/146764073/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.gambas3_3.4.99-2%2Bsvn4616-build29~lucid1_UPLOADING.txt.gz



On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 10:06 PM, Benoît Minisini 
gam...@users.sourceforge.net wrote:

 Le 05/08/2013 02:40, Sebastian Kulesz a écrit :
  The only problem now is that the official version for libopenal in
  Lucid is1.12. Can the component be compiled with this version? If not,
  i will see
  if i can get a ported package added to the ppa.
 

 I think so if it is just a matter of missing symbols. Just report me
 what fails, and I will modify the sources so that it compiles.

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Re: [Gambas-user] gb.openal resources...

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I just pushed an update to the PPA. I added the new gb.openal component and
enabled 64bit packages of gb.openssl that where disabled by mistake. New
builds will start to appear within a couple of hours, the launchpad
buildfarm is working with a reduced number of machines so just be patient.

Please report any problems you encounter!


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Kende Krisztián n...@freemail.hu wrote:

  Just updated GAMBAS from the daily PPA and see the component hasn't
  yet been enabled.

 Yeah, same problem:

 ||
 || Unable to met pkg-config requirement: openal
 || gb.openal is disabled
 ||

 so missing the libopenal-dev package. And of course need to write the
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Re: [Gambas-user] gb.openal resources...

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Good point. Saucy and Raring now use llvm 3.2 for gb.jit. I also added
the libalure
development package for a smooth transition so there are no failed builds
when it is implemented, thanks to Benoît for the heads-up.


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Kende Krisztián n...@freemail.hu wrote:

 Yes, and I would recommend that you use the LLVM 3.2 for gb.jit
 component on Raring and Saucy. Fedora use LLVM 3.3 with patch!

 * Tue May 28 2013 Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com 3.4.1-4
   - Rebuild for final llvm 3.3 soname
 * Wed May 08 2013 Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com 3.4.1-3
   - Fix build against llvm 3.3

  I just pushed an update to the PPA. I added the new gb.openal
  component and enabled 64bit packages of gb.openssl that where
  disabled by mistake. New builds will start to appear within a couple
  of hours, the launchpad buildfarm is working with a reduced number of
  machines so just be patient.
 
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Re: [Gambas-user] gb.openal resources...

[Sebastian Kulesz]

I'm getting build errors with openal 1.13 (1.14 builds fine). Here is a
log:
https://launchpadlibrarian.net/145629777/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-i386.gambas3_3.4.99-1%2Bsvn4605-build28~precise1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz

Error is:

c_alc.c:457:2: error: 'ALC_EXT_CAPTURE' undeclared here (not in a function)


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Sebastian Kulesz sebi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good point. Saucy and Raring now use llvm 3.2 for gb.jit. I also added the 
 libalure
 development package for a smooth transition so there are no failed builds
 when it is implemented, thanks to Benoît for the heads-up.


 On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Kende Krisztián n...@freemail.hu wrote:

 Yes, and I would recommend that you use the LLVM 3.2 for gb.jit
 component on Raring and Saucy. Fedora use LLVM 3.3 with patch!

 * Tue May 28 2013 Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com 3.4.1-4
   - Rebuild for final llvm 3.3 soname
 * Wed May 08 2013 Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com 3.4.1-3
   - Fix build against llvm 3.3

  I just pushed an update to the PPA. I added the new gb.openal
  component and enabled 64bit packages of gb.openssl that where
  disabled by mistake. New builds will start to appear within a couple
  of hours, the launchpad buildfarm is working with a reduced number of
  machines so just be patient.
 
  Please report any problems you encounter!
 


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Re: [Gambas-user] Receiving an email

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You could use a cron tab to run the script Randall just sent. There is a
POP3Client example you can open with the gambas IDE to know how it works.
Just execute the app every x minutes and you are done!

Remember not to hardcode your username and password. You will regret later


On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Randall Morgan rmorga...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here's a really quick and dirty sample of using the gd.net.pop3 mail client
 using the command line project type:

 ' Gambas module file

 Public Sub Main()
  Dim hConn As New Pop3Client
  Dim sMailIds As String[]
  Dim sMailId As String
  Dim Stats As Integer[]
  Dim iCount As Integer
  Dim iSize As Integer
  Dim sMessage As String


  'Set mail server connection parameters
  With hConn
.Host =  'your mail server host name
.Port = 110 'your mail server port 110 is common for non ssl. 995 for
 ssl. 
.User = 'your mail account username
.Password = 'your mail account password 'May want to store in, and
 retrieve this from an encrypted file
  End With

  Try hConn.Open

  If Error Then
Print Mail Error: ; Error.Text; \nat ; Error.Where 'May want to log
 this
  Else
If hConn.Status = -16 Then
  Print Cannot Authenticate Mail Account.
  Stop
Else If hConn.Status = 7 Then
  Print Connected to mail server
  Print hConn.Welcome
Endif
  Endif


 Stats = hConn.Stat()

 Print There are ; Stats[0];  Messages in your inbox.
 Print You inbox contains ; Stats[1];  bytes of data.

  ' Show all mail ids
  sMailIds = hConn.List()

  For Each sMailId In sMailIds
Print sMailId
  Next

  ' Get each mail and display
  For Each sMailId In sMailIds
sMessage = hConn.Exec(RETR   sMailId)
Print Message: ; sMailId; \n
Print 
Print sMessage; \n\n
  Next

  Print Closing Connection.
  hConn.Close

 End



 You may also find these links helpful:


 http://www.arclab.com/products/amlc/list-of-smtp-and-pop3-servers-mailserver-list.html

 http://www.electrictoolbox.com/article/networking/pop3-commands/


 On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Tobias Boege tabo...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote:
   Thanks for your advice, Randall.
  
   Am 15.07.2013 17:16, schrieb Randall Morgan:
Is your email pop3, IMAP, MAPI, or webmail? The way you approach this
depends on the target system.
  
   It is pop3 and it is my own vserver for my firm's website.
  
   
IMHO pop3 would be the easiest. There you would only need to access
  your
mail account to download the emails for processing. Gambas has PDF
  
   Yes, that would be the precise question. My idea was to use the contact
   form plugin from the website, making another contact form which sends
   the results to another email address (e. g. application@... instead of
   info@...) and read the emails from that address.
  
   So it all boils down to: how can I read the emails - say once a minute
 -
   and place them somewhere where a script of mine - say Gambas - has
   access and reads them. And how to read them.
  
   I thought of leaving everything on the remote server, but it might as
   well be read from our local server in my firm and processed there. The
   latter might be the better way, as it is done so for the ordinary
   contact forms now (they are waiting for my email client to fetch them
   from the remote server via pop3, so I can fetch them even now when I'm
   in holidays, with my laptop). I'd just need a script to do with the
   other ones in regular intervals.
  
generation capabilities so that is not an issue. Another way to
 handle
  this
would be to setup a GAMABS SMTP service and have the emails forwarded
  to
that service. Then the app could be written to process any email that
arrived in the inbox.
  
   Yes, I saw there's an smtp library for Gambas, but I thought it might
 be
   easier the other way round.
  
   
As for an easy way Well, easy is a qualitative term and so the
  ease of
development would depend on the programmer's experience and
 abilities.
  If
you're using webmail and the front end is something like Squirrel
 Mail,
then you have a nice table arrangement that can be easily parsed with
GAMBAS. But if your mail account is something like Yahoo or Google I
  think
a web parsing framework such as those used with Java or Python would
  ease
development.
  
   Neither nor, there's qmail on the server. That's it.
  
   
A lot of my data collection tasks involve writing code in different
languages.
  
   I wouldn't mind calling some other script from the Gambas one or
  vice-versa.
  
  
For example, One of my apps is a simple bash script that takes
forms submitted as pdfs, and processes them using python and then
  stores
the results in a MySQL DB which has some stored procedures for final
processing. Then a cron script runs one every 5 minutes to get any
 new
  rows
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[Gambas-user] New gb.logging component

[Sebastian Kulesz]

Hey there!

I just pushed the new component to the svn repository. It provides a
flexible API for logging and tracking events while the software is running.

It outputs to stdout by default, but you can simply point to a file when
creating an instance of the Logger object.

It provides 5 levels of severity, them being: Critical, Error, Warning,
Info, Debug
You can control the output by providing the minimum level required. For
example, if the minimum level is Warning, only Warning, Error and Critical
messages will be printed (or saved to the file)

Another great feature is a flexible formatted output. When creating an
instance, you can pass a string which will tell the logger how the string
will be formatted. A single tag is represented as $(TAG). The default one
is:

[$(now)] [$(levelname)] [$(callLocation)] $(message)

So, the message Starting logger would look like this:

[05/20/2013 02:13:46.267] [WARNING] [MTest.Main.9] Starting logger

The following tags are available as of now:

$(message) : The message passed to the logger
$(callLocation) : The full location of where the logger was called. In the
form of FILE.FUNCTION.LINE (look above at the example line)
$(callLine) : The line number where the logger was called.
$(callFile) : The file name which called the logger
$(callFunction) :The function which called the logger
$(now) : A full date and time string, as returned by Now()
$(date) : The date as returned by Date(Now)
$(time) : The time as returned by Time(Now)
$(ptimer) : The time elapsed since the application was started. ms of
precision
$(ptimerint) : Same as above, but only prints the elapsed time in seconds
$(levelno) : The severity level of the message (integer)
$(levelname) : The name of the severity level One of: CRITICAL,ERROR,
WARNING,INFO,DEBUG
$(version) : The version of the application
$(gbversion) : The version of the Gambas interpreter
$(host) : The system host name
$(pid) : The process id of the running application

Using it is pretty straightforward:

  Dim oDumb As New Logger
  oDumb(Starting logger)

By default the component creates a hidden instance of the Logger class,
just as the Settings component does, but i'm having trouble when performing
the call. It's not a deal breaker, it only means you won't be able to call
Logger(...) directly, but will need to create an instance and share it
across your application.

If you already have a logging module implemented and don't want to switch,
you can still use the Formatter class and all the tags it comes with by
simply calling Formatter(sMessage As String, sFormat As String, iLevel As
Integer) Being sMessage the message you want to log, sFormat the formatting
string and iLevel an integer value of the severity so 0=Critical and
4=Debug.

Hope you find it useful. If you want any tags added, please let me know, or
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Re: [Gambas-user] couple of silly questions for Debian packaging

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On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Ian Haywood ihayw...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 dear List

 A couple of small questions to help with Debian packaging:


Glad to hear! ;)



 - gb.net.pop3: is this component written purely in Gambas or partially
 in C? where is it's source code? all I can find is the bytecode-compiled
 file /comp/src/gb.net.pop3/gb.net.pop3.gambas


That component is written purely in Gambas



 - debian packager complains about executables gbs3 and gbw3 don't have
 manpages (it's a Debian rule all executables have a manpage). I'm happy
 to write them if someone can point me int the direction of some
 documentation about what they do (presumably for scripts and webpages I
 know, but how they work, command-line options, etc)


You can find the manpages here [0] at the bottom. They are not available in
the svn repository though. They are Kendek's work, i just updated them a
bit.


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Re: [Gambas-user] Restructuring the official Gambas examples

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Maybe there is a way to do this already without changing anything. Consider
this:

The complexity of an example (project?) *may* be given by the amount of
components it uses (just thinking out loud). But, if not accurate, it
should be a really good approximation.

So, sorting the examples by the amount of components it uses may be a short
therm solution for this, if not a permanent one, until a consensus is
reached.

A slight change to the previous approach: assign each component a numerical
difficulty and then compute the final score by adding the value of each
component used. Then sort them using that value. We would then only need to
assess the difficulty of using each component.

I know this is not the most accurate solution, but it's much less
intrusive.

What do you think?
On Apr 30, 2013 4:41 PM, Tobias Boege tabo...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, 30 Apr 2013, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
  Bbe more concrete of what levels you want, and then we can use real
  names instead of numbers.
 

 I'd go with the majority's observation: two levels, namely Beginner and
 Advanced.

  The current example grouping is arbitrary. You may have a different
  grouping for basic/beginner examples than for advanced examples or
  whatever else.
 
  Just make a list of examples, and then we can decide how to group them.
 

 Of course the above binary distinction will be different. To be honest, I
 didn't yet look at specific examples to group them newly because my
 cardinal
 problem is to offer both: the arbitrary, topic-based grouping, because
 we're
 all used to it and it's just sane, *together* with the niveau-based one
 which should help newcomers to pick the right source to learn from.

 Actually, the topic grouping will *further* help newbies to navigate
 through
 the examples according to their interest. Who would pick a Beginner example
 from Multimedia without knowing about Basic?

 The best thing I could think of - in order to combine both views of the
 example tree - is to leave the group display as is and sort all the
 projects
 according to their niveau level, i.e. Beginner or Advanced (maybe with a
 visual separator between the groups, if that's possible?), and print that
 level somewhere around the example's description.

 I'm still looking for people's opinions (or Bruce's criticism) to get a
 representative consensus - maybe it's a flaw in our modern upbringing :-) -
 because examples are things that all have to be content with and that I
 don't want to change on the fly. (Sorry if this practice annoys anyone.)

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Re: [Gambas-user] Restructuring the official Gambas examples

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On Apr 30, 2013 5:23 PM, Tobias Boege tabo...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, 30 Apr 2013, Sebastian Kulesz wrote:
  Maybe there is a way to do this already without changing anything.
Consider
  this:
 
  The complexity of an example (project?) *may* be given by the amount of
  components it uses (just thinking out loud). But, if not accurate, it
  should be a really good approximation.
 
  So, sorting the examples by the amount of components it uses may be a
short
  therm solution for this, if not a permanent one, until a consensus is
  reached.
 
  A slight change to the previous approach: assign each component a
numerical
  difficulty and then compute the final score by adding the value of each
  component used. Then sort them using that value. We would then only
need to
  assess the difficulty of using each component.
 
  I know this is not the most accurate solution, but it's much less
  intrusive.

 Wait, how do we assign each component a numerical difficulty level? OK, we
 have the *.component files but that seems even more intrusive. IMHO more
 difficult to rate either. Having Beginner and Advanced in examples
makes
 it feasible that everybody classifies his examples himself.

 I can only precisely speak about the example I wrote: look at Games/Pong.
It
 only requires gb.ncurses and is complex as hell. OK, admittedly gb.ncurses
 wouldn't climb too high on the easy-to-use ladder but that can't
compensate
 using three to four graphical components like some other games do.

 You see: Games tend to always be more complex than Basic examples and
 that's why I want to conserve the topic grouping.

 On the other side, of course, the biggest example, the IDE itself, does
 somewhat support your idea.

 If we go and rate the project structure, maybe the number of classes is
 better, but IMHO still the explicit, human-chosen grouping is best.


That's why I said this wasn't the most accurate approach. Ratings can
easily be added to the IDE (just as components descriptions), there is no
need to modify any .component file.

Doing it this way, classes, amount of symbols, amount of forms...there are
a lot of variables that will allow you to calculate the difficulty of any
project, not just examples.

As you said, GB.nurses will increase the difficulty value more than GB.form
Stock would do, for example. That's why I suggested rating components
rather than examples, there is no need to review every new example that is
added, and doing so imposes less changes to be done to the IDE.

 Regards,
 Tobi


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Re: [Gambas-user] all those bloody dependencies

[Sebastian Kulesz]

What about this?
12.3:
http://software.opensuse.org/ymp/home:munix9:gambas/openSUSE_12.3/gambas3.ymp?base=openSUSE%3A12.3query=gambas3

12.2:
http://software.opensuse.org/ymp/home:munix9:gambas/openSUSE_12.2/gambas3.ymp?base=openSUSE%3A12.2query=gambas3

Repository root:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/munix9:/gambas/

I found this by just googling.

If you find the documentation is outdated, why not help out by updating the
article?


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Jussi Lahtinen jussi.lahti...@gmail.comwrote:

 Maybe some script that would collect dependency list from successful
 compiling?
 Or maybe people should volunteer and post updated dependencies?

 Or maybe someone could put up repository also for some other popular
 distros...

 Jussi


 On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Jussi Lahtinen
 jussi.lahti...@gmail.comwrote:

  I didn't mean anything specific since you didn't specify your OS.
  But I think I understand the problem now; documentation is not updated.
 
  I wish there would be general solution for this, but it seems that every
  distro uses it own naming conventions.
  So this is hard to make automatic. Perhaps someone else knows how to
 solve
  this inconvenience?
 
  Jussi
 
 
 
  On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Matti math.e...@t-online.de wrote:
 
  Hi Jussi,
 
  I've read that page, and I've been using Gambas for long years. Just a
  new machine.
 
  Do you mean the page about openSUSE 10.2?
  Well, we have openSUSE 12.3 in the meantime.
 
  I followed http://gambas.sourceforge.net/en/main.html
  and there to the left: Compilation  Installation.
  And after this done, I can't compile because of 17 errors.
 
 
  Am 24.04.2013 22:39, schrieb Jussi Lahtinen:
   I don't understand what is the problem exactly.
  
   Here are the dependencies listed for different distros.
   http://gambasdoc.org/help/install?enviewv3#t9
  
   It doesn't require two evenings. Just copypaste the command, and it
  takes
   few minutes.
  
  
   Jussi
  
  
  
  
  
   On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:21 PM, Matti math.e...@t-online.de
 wrote:
  
   I'm trying to get the Gambas svn version alive on a new machine.
   Installed everything that is written on the website as requirements
  (took
   about
   two evenings).
   Now I'm getting WARNINGs that 17 components can't be compiled because
  of
   missing
   dependencies. This is really annoying!
   I don't think that many people have the patience to continue now and
  work
   through all the './configure -C' messages.
   Maybe this could be a reason why Gambas isn't so popular?
  
   Is there no possibility to build packages of those dependencies for
 the
   distros,
   providing a button Get all the dependencies for ...?
  
   If I new how to, I would help here.
  
   Matti
 
 
 
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