Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-09-02 Thread PICCORO McKAY Lenz
hi all, sorry for resurecting this, but what about the savannah mail list
services?

http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
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2017-08-20 14:34 GMT-04:00 Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user <
gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net>:

> Le 20/08/2017 à 10:53, Christof Thalhofer a écrit :
>
>> Am 19.08.2017 um 19:13 schrieb Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user:
>>
>> So we must find:
>>>
>>> - Someone who can host the mailing-list and who has time to manage the
>>> server.
>>>
>>
>> Our servers* are powerful servers running with Debian, mirrored by DRBD,
>> backupped to another datacenter at night and used for shared hosting.
>> There are hostmasters who manage the servers. The only thing I had to do
>> would be configuring Mailman. This is done once and then it runs forever.
>>
>> Do you know the count of users and traffic of the Gambas ML?
>>
>
> I can't access the subscription interface of the mailing-lists anymore, so
> I don't know exactly. About 500 users for the user mailing-list, far less
> for the developer mailing-list. As for the number of mails, you can see it
> on the mailing-list archives on SourceForge. It gives you the number of
> mails by month. And maybe I will merge the developer and the user
> mailing-list. One mailing-list to rule them all!
>
>
>> One web-packet there costs 5€/month, has 1GB webspace and 10GB traffic
>> included, I would have no problem to donate it to the Gambas community,
>> but for sure there are better ways to finance it (maybe a Gambas
>> Foundation, that is owner of the web-packet?).
>>
>
> You will tell me. There is 500 users ; each mails had a limit of 512 Kb;
> there is about 300 mails by month ; most of the mails are... let's say 16
> Kb. So: 16 x 300 x 500 ~= 2,4 Gb / month.
>
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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-20 Thread Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user

Le 20/08/2017 à 10:53, Christof Thalhofer a écrit :

Am 19.08.2017 um 19:13 schrieb Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user:


So we must find:

- Someone who can host the mailing-list and who has time to manage the
server.


Our servers* are powerful servers running with Debian, mirrored by DRBD,
backupped to another datacenter at night and used for shared hosting.
There are hostmasters who manage the servers. The only thing I had to do
would be configuring Mailman. This is done once and then it runs forever.

Do you know the count of users and traffic of the Gambas ML?


I can't access the subscription interface of the mailing-lists anymore, 
so I don't know exactly. About 500 users for the user mailing-list, far 
less for the developer mailing-list. As for the number of mails, you can 
see it on the mailing-list archives on SourceForge. It gives you the 
number of mails by month. And maybe I will merge the developer and the 
user mailing-list. One mailing-list to rule them all!




One web-packet there costs 5€/month, has 1GB webspace and 10GB traffic
included, I would have no problem to donate it to the Gambas community,
but for sure there are better ways to finance it (maybe a Gambas
Foundation, that is owner of the web-packet?).


You will tell me. There is 500 users ; each mails had a limit of 512 Kb; 
there is about 300 mails by month ; most of the mails are... let's say 
16 Kb. So: 16 x 300 x 500 ~= 2,4 Gb / month.


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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-20 Thread PICCORO McKAY Lenz
2017-08-20 4:13 GMT-04:00 Christof Thalhofer :

> Until Google decides to cancel it. If we do self hosting we are the
> owner of our data. That's all.
>

I recognize that is the only reason why we should not choose google

but i also noted that google offers a well made service to "catch you" .
ummm very parlous

I WANT TO SHARE WITH US A MOVIE TO TAKE IN CLARIFICATION THE HINT OF GOOGLE

BRANDED: google, yandex, mail.ru, facebook, all of them tray to take
control of user data and insert on those more data...

i use gmail.. but my main mail its not gmail..


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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-20 Thread Gianluigi
Hi Christof,
well, I am ready to contribute for two months each year.
Try to appreciate the effort, here in Genoa we are more avaricius of the
Scottishs.
"At the moment of the charity in the church, a Scottish man is faint and
seven Genoeses care to carry it out of the church"

Regards
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2017-08-20 10:53 GMT+02:00 Christof Thalhofer :

> Am 19.08.2017 um 19:13 schrieb Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user:
>
> > So we must find:
> >
> > - Someone who can host the mailing-list and who has time to manage the
> > server.
>
> Our servers* are powerful servers running with Debian, mirrored by DRBD,
> backupped to another datacenter at night and used for shared hosting.
> There are hostmasters who manage the servers. The only thing I had to do
> would be configuring Mailman. This is done once and then it runs forever.
>
> Do you know the count of users and traffic of the Gambas ML?
>
> One web-packet there costs 5€/month, has 1GB webspace and 10GB traffic
> included, I would have no problem to donate it to the Gambas community,
> but for sure there are better ways to finance it (maybe a Gambas
> Foundation, that is owner of the web-packet?).
>
> *
> ---
> Hostsharing Coop, 15 years old, I am a member, there are about 170 other
> members. It's the only german webhosting Coop.
>
> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostsharing
> https://www.hostsharing.net/
>
> Sorry, only german language.
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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-20 Thread Christof Thalhofer
Am 19.08.2017 um 19:13 schrieb Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user:

> So we must find:
> 
> - Someone who can host the mailing-list and who has time to manage the 
> server.

Our servers* are powerful servers running with Debian, mirrored by DRBD,
backupped to another datacenter at night and used for shared hosting.
There are hostmasters who manage the servers. The only thing I had to do
would be configuring Mailman. This is done once and then it runs forever.

Do you know the count of users and traffic of the Gambas ML?

One web-packet there costs 5€/month, has 1GB webspace and 10GB traffic
included, I would have no problem to donate it to the Gambas community,
but for sure there are better ways to finance it (maybe a Gambas
Foundation, that is owner of the web-packet?).

*
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members. It's the only german webhosting Coop.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostsharing
https://www.hostsharing.net/

Sorry, only german language.
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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-20 Thread Christof Thalhofer
Am 20.08.2017 um 01:22 schrieb Jussi Lahtinen:
> Why people are so against google groups? It would be much better than this
> current one. No spam, no attachment size limits, better service
> reliability, forum interface as alternative to people who like it...
> otherwise it would work identically.

Until Google decides to cancel it. If we do self hosting we are the
owner of our data. That's all.


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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-19 Thread Jussi Lahtinen
Why people are so against google groups? It would be much better than this
current one. No spam, no attachment size limits, better service
reliability, forum interface as alternative to people who like it...
otherwise it would work identically.


Jussi

On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 2:01 AM, adamn...@gmail.com 
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> On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 10:54:49 -0400
> PICCORO McKAY Lenz  wrote:
>
> > 2017-08-19 5:42 GMT-04:00 Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user <
> > gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net>:If anyone has ideas about how and
> where
> > to host at least two mailing-lists, you are welcome!
> >
> > PLEASE BENOIT; USE THE GOOGLE GROUPS! its the most easy solution:
> > take a view example: https://vegnuli.sourceforge.io/index.php/Forums
> >
>
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> Please don't
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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-19 Thread adamn...@gmail.com
On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 10:54:49 -0400
PICCORO McKAY Lenz  wrote:

> 2017-08-19 5:42 GMT-04:00 Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user <
> gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net>:If anyone has ideas about how and where
> to host at least two mailing-lists, you are welcome!
> 
> PLEASE BENOIT; USE THE GOOGLE GROUPS! its the most easy solution:
> take a view example: https://vegnuli.sourceforge.io/index.php/Forums
> 


Please don't

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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-19 Thread Tony Morehen

What about using nabble itself?


On 2017-08-19 03:25 PM, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:

1) Google groups are not a mailing-list. I want mails, so that I can have
every post in my mail client and read them without Internet.


They are if you want. That is exactly how I use google groups. I never use
the web interface.


2) Google crawls the data, and who knows what they do with them.
It's Gambas mailing list, do we care? Also nabble already publishes the
mailing list content.




3) Google brutally stopped their issue tracker. I had to make an issue
tracker for Gambas in a hurry because of that. There is no guarantee that
they won't stop Google groups brutally too.


Yeah, bad policy from google, but this is quite hard requirement to
fulfill. There is always some uncertainty.




4) I don't want to force people to have a Google account.


Google account is needed only for the web interface.



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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-19 Thread mikeB

AMEN!


On 08/19/2017 01:08 PM, Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user wrote:

Le 19/08/2017 à 21:00, Jussi Lahtinen a écrit :

What is the problem with google?



1) Google groups are not a mailing-list. I want mails, so that I can 
have every post in my mail client and read them without Internet.


2) Google crawls the data, and who knows what they do with them.

3) Google brutally stopped their issue tracker. I had to make an issue 
tracker for Gambas in a hurry because of that. There is no guarantee 
that they won't stop Google groups brutally too.


4) I don't want to force people to have a Google account.

Enough problems for me.




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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-19 Thread Jussi Lahtinen
>
> 1) Google groups are not a mailing-list. I want mails, so that I can have
> every post in my mail client and read them without Internet.
>

They are if you want. That is exactly how I use google groups. I never use
the web interface.


2) Google crawls the data, and who knows what they do with them.
>

It's Gambas mailing list, do we care? Also nabble already publishes the
mailing list content.



> 3) Google brutally stopped their issue tracker. I had to make an issue
> tracker for Gambas in a hurry because of that. There is no guarantee that
> they won't stop Google groups brutally too.
>

Yeah, bad policy from google, but this is quite hard requirement to
fulfill. There is always some uncertainty.



> 4) I don't want to force people to have a Google account.
>

Google account is needed only for the web interface.



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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-19 Thread Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user

Le 19/08/2017 à 21:00, Jussi Lahtinen a écrit :

What is the problem with google?



1) Google groups are not a mailing-list. I want mails, so that I can 
have every post in my mail client and read them without Internet.


2) Google crawls the data, and who knows what they do with them.

3) Google brutally stopped their issue tracker. I had to make an issue 
tracker for Gambas in a hurry because of that. There is no guarantee 
that they won't stop Google groups brutally too.


4) I don't want to force people to have a Google account.

Enough problems for me.

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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-19 Thread Jussi Lahtinen
I'm signed on multiple google groups (and I'm admin of one [there can be
multiple admins]). They work without problems. It's by far the easiest
option. No need to put time, money, etc on it.
What is the problem with google?


Jussi

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user <
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> Le 19/08/2017 à 18:19, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a écrit :
>
>> 2017-08-19 12:15 GMT-04:00 Christof Thalhofer :
>>
>> PLEASE BENOIT; USE THE GOOGLE GROUPS! its the most easy solution:
 take a view example: https://vegnuli.sourceforge.io/index.php/Forums

>>>
>>> First rant against "M$" and then run to Google???
>>>
>>>
> By principle, I'm against Google, even, as everyone, I use it a lot.
>
> Adrien explains the problem well:
>
> The better is hosting the mailing-list ourself, but it requires a server,
> some bandwith, a hostname, and, more difficult, time to manage it.
>
> So we must find:
>
> - Someone who can host the mailing-list and who has time to manage the
> server.
>
> - Otherwise a mailing-list free host. Apparently freelists.org is not a
> good choice. And SourceForge is not too, since I can't subscribe (for
> example) the git mail announces to their mailing-list anymore.
>
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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-19 Thread Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user

Le 19/08/2017 à 18:19, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a écrit :

2017-08-19 12:15 GMT-04:00 Christof Thalhofer :


PLEASE BENOIT; USE THE GOOGLE GROUPS! its the most easy solution:
take a view example: https://vegnuli.sourceforge.io/index.php/Forums


First rant against "M$" and then run to Google???



By principle, I'm against Google, even, as everyone, I use it a lot.

Adrien explains the problem well:

The better is hosting the mailing-list ourself, but it requires a 
server, some bandwith, a hostname, and, more difficult, time to manage it.


So we must find:

- Someone who can host the mailing-list and who has time to manage the 
server.


- Otherwise a mailing-list free host. Apparently freelists.org is not a 
good choice. And SourceForge is not too, since I can't subscribe (for 
example) the git mail announces to their mailing-list anymore.


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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-19 Thread Christof Thalhofer
Am 19.08.2017 um 18:07 schrieb Adrien Prokopowicz:

> However, self-hosting is another long-term investment, and requires  
> continuous
> maintenance, so I don't think it is worth it. But if Christof can offer
> that hosting (as he already hosts other lists), I think it can be a good  
> idea. :-)

I do hosting, also a couple of (very small private) Mailinglists. I am
member of hostsharing.net, a german open source webhosting coop. As I
host for my firm and some others I can donate some free traffic to the
Gambas community.

I never hosted a public ML, also do not know anything about spam
problems and so on, but this should not be such a great thing ...

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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-19 Thread PICCORO McKAY Lenz
2017-08-19 12:15 GMT-04:00 Christof Thalhofer :

> > PLEASE BENOIT; USE THE GOOGLE GROUPS! its the most easy solution:
> > take a view example: https://vegnuli.sourceforge.io/index.php/Forums
>
> First rant against "M$" and then run to Google???
>
well its the best shot today, as many here said.. there's no much free mail
list choices...

i dont like the very intrusive google groups services.. but unless do you
like the mail.ru services or the yantex services. its the best in my
experience


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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-19 Thread Christof Thalhofer
Am 19.08.2017 um 16:54 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:

> PLEASE BENOIT; USE THE GOOGLE GROUPS! its the most easy solution:
> take a view example: https://vegnuli.sourceforge.io/index.php/Forums

First rant against "M$" and then run to Google???


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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-19 Thread Adrien Prokopowicz
Le Sat, 19 Aug 2017 16:33:04 +0200, T Lee Davidson  
 a écrit:



On 08/19/2017 05:42 AM, Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user wrote:

Le 19/08/2017 à 08:13, Christof Thalhofer a écrit :

Am 18.08.2017 um 17:09 schrieb Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user:


Does GitLab plan to offer a mailing-list feature? I will pray for
that.


Maybe its better not to rely to one vendor only. Why not switching over
to a vendor for mailinglists like

https://www.freelists.org/about.html

 I send them a request for a new Gambas mailing-list.



or ...

make a subdomain list.gambaswiki.org and host a mailinglist by self?
Thats not rocket science.

 Yes, but it takes time to deal with.



The latter is sth I could do, as I already host gambas-club.de at my
hosting provider. As I can see the traffic the Gambas lists creates is
not a big problem.

But I'm in holliday right now.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer


 OK, thanks. I will wait for your return.
 If anyone has ideas about how and where to host at least two  
mailing-lists, you are welcome!

 Regards,



There may be reason to be concerned about the long-term reliability of  
freelists.org. They use three different free software packages, two of  
which haven't been updated in over three years and the third's website  
doesn't even load.


The Gambas community might be better served by setting up Mailman at  
something like list.gambaswiki.org as suggested; even though Mailman  
setup does not, at first glance, appear simple and would take an initial  
time investment.


I'm having the same feeling about freelists.org. Not only the software they
rely on look abandoned, but I couldn't find any kind of blog/newsletter  
giving

signs of life from the administrators.
The closest I could find is their "updates" mailing-list, which hasn't been
updated since 2005 !

I have looked for free & open-source mailing-list providers, but they all  
seem
pretty outdated. The best I could find was https://framalistes.org/, but  
their site

seems to only be in French …

However, self-hosting is another long-term investment, and requires  
continuous

maintenance, so I don't think it is worth it. But if Christof can offer
that hosting (as he already hosts other lists), I think it can be a good  
idea. :-)


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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-19 Thread PICCORO McKAY Lenz
2017-08-19 5:42 GMT-04:00 Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user <
gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net>:If anyone has ideas about how and where
to host at least two mailing-lists, you are welcome!

PLEASE BENOIT; USE THE GOOGLE GROUPS! its the most easy solution:
take a view example: https://vegnuli.sourceforge.io/index.php/Forums

here the list can be embebed at the front page, also provides a mobile view
very usefully for old browsers (browse the SF mail archive its a pain),
take a shot:
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/?place=forum/venenuxsarisari#!forum/venenuxsarisari
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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-19 Thread T Lee Davidson

On 08/19/2017 05:42 AM, Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user wrote:

Le 19/08/2017 à 08:13, Christof Thalhofer a écrit :

Am 18.08.2017 um 17:09 schrieb Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user:


Does GitLab plan to offer a mailing-list feature? I will pray for
that.


Maybe its better not to rely to one vendor only. Why not switching over
to a vendor for mailinglists like

https://www.freelists.org/about.html


I send them a request for a new Gambas mailing-list.



or ...

make a subdomain list.gambaswiki.org and host a mailinglist by self?
Thats not rocket science.


Yes, but it takes time to deal with.



The latter is sth I could do, as I already host gambas-club.de at my
hosting provider. As I can see the traffic the Gambas lists creates is
not a big problem.

But I'm in holliday right now.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer



OK, thanks. I will wait for your return.

If anyone has ideas about how and where to host at least two mailing-lists, you 
are welcome!

Regards,



There may be reason to be concerned about the long-term reliability of freelists.org. They use three different free software 
packages, two of which haven't been updated in over three years and the third's website doesn't even load.


The Gambas community might be better served by setting up Mailman at something like list.gambaswiki.org as suggested; even 
though Mailman setup does not, at first glance, appear simple and would take an initial time investment.



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Re: [Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-19 Thread Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user

Le 19/08/2017 à 08:13, Christof Thalhofer a écrit :

Am 18.08.2017 um 17:09 schrieb Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user:


Does GitLab plan to offer a mailing-list feature? I will pray for
that.


Maybe its better not to rely to one vendor only. Why not switching over
to a vendor for mailinglists like

https://www.freelists.org/about.html


I send them a request for a new Gambas mailing-list.



or ...

make a subdomain list.gambaswiki.org and host a mailinglist by self?
Thats not rocket science.


Yes, but it takes time to deal with.



The latter is sth I could do, as I already host gambas-club.de at my
hosting provider. As I can see the traffic the Gambas lists creates is
not a big problem.

But I'm in holliday right now.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer



OK, thanks. I will wait for your return.

If anyone has ideas about how and where to host at least two 
mailing-lists, you are welcome!


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[Gambas-user] Mailinglist

2017-08-19 Thread Christof Thalhofer
Am 18.08.2017 um 17:09 schrieb Benoît Minisini via Gambas-user:

> Does GitLab plan to offer a mailing-list feature? I will pray for
> that.

Maybe its better not to rely to one vendor only. Why not switching over
to a vendor for mailinglists like

https://www.freelists.org/about.html

or ...

make a subdomain list.gambaswiki.org and host a mailinglist by self?
Thats not rocket science.

The latter is sth I could do, as I already host gambas-club.de at my
hosting provider. As I can see the traffic the Gambas lists creates is
not a big problem.

But I'm in holliday right now.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

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[Gambas-user] mailinglist digest question

2011-08-16 Thread wally

How can i reply to single topic in a mailinglist digest ?

thx wally

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Re: [Gambas-user] mailinglist digest question

2011-08-16 Thread Jussi Lahtinen
Try to keep original subject line, and delete all unnecessary text from
reply.
I find using digests not so convenient...
I highly recommend to use gmail and to do separated folders for mailing
lists.

Jussi


On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 19:54, wally wa...@voosen.eu wrote:


 How can i reply to single topic in a mailinglist digest ?

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