Re: [Audyssey] New discussion forum
There's also a mac discussion group hosted at mac-access.net, as well as one on yahoo groups (I stopped participating in that one when it went to yahoo groups, so don't know what it's called) and my mac pages have more information as well, at http://www.softcon.com/mac/ I know of at least two others of the top of my head, though I don't know what their urls are, but there's also loads of mac resources located on the site that has podcasts for the blind about all kinds of topics, though the name of the site escapes me at the moment, And, just to keep this on topic, there are games posted on my mac pages, most run in terminal, but the yahtzee game is a full-blown mac gui program that works very well with voiceover. Enjoy. On Jun 24, 2015, at 6:07 PM, dark wrote: Hi Katy. that is very odd given that whitestick.co.uk has a hole page dedicated to Apple in general and Mac in particular: http://www.whitestick.co.uk/mac.html As I said not having a Mac myself I can't be certain on these, but I do know whitestick.co.uk is pretty good on the resource lists (their games to play online one is a very useful thing). All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Katie Epperson mythgir...@yahoo.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New discussion forum I'll tell you how many forums for Mac users I have found. None. Mac accessibility seems to be the least of everyone's concerns. On Jun 24, 2015, at 6:11 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well good luck with that one. I'm not sure tips and tricks about nearly anything is specific enough to interest too many visitors, but we'll see, in particularly I don't know how many forums already exist for Vi mac users sinse I don't have one myself. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Katie Epperson mythgir...@yahoo.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New discussion forum There will be a place where people can share tips and tricks about nearly anything. There will also be a special place for Mac users. On Jun 23, 2015, at 6:45 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Your first point is why I asked my question. We were invited to a forum with no information as to why or what we would find there. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New discussion forum Hi Katy. Congrats on setting up the forum, however My problem is, what exactly is this forum for? A discussion forum needs to be about a specific matter to encourage people to use it, to discuss things that can't be done elsewhere, simply saying here is a forum doesn't really tell people very much or give an indication of why people should visit. It's a bit like saying here is an empty room with a table and some chairs, come and have a conversation Also, I'm afraid the only topic I saw there other than a welcome topic was paladin of the sky Now, there ist' anything wrong with that, but given we already have one mailing list and one extremely large forum on audiogames.net for game discussion, why do people need another forum about games? I'm sorry if this comes across as negative, I'm not saying this to be unfare, just that unfortunately I've seen people try this before and it's always had the same result for the same reason, either the person just replicates something we already have so nobody wants to visit, or the person doesn't particularly have an idea of what the forum is for anyway. I'd suggest myself you have a think on a subject that a discussion forum could exist for which we don't! already have filled in the community and then considder structuring a forum around that, rather than just having a generalized discussion forum with no real impetus to visit or trying to create yet another games forum. As I said, I'm not trying to be deliberately negative here, just pointing out that saying here is a forum really doesn't offer much. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Katie Epperson mythgir...@yahoo.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 1:21 AM Subject: [Audyssey] New discussion forum Hello all. I would like to announce that a new discussion forum is being hosted. Register at www.katieepperson.x10.mx/forum/punbb-1.4.2 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are
Re: [Audyssey] New discussion forum
The forum has been moved due to a security problem On Jun 25, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Travis Siegel tsie...@nfbcal.org wrote: There's also a mac discussion group hosted at mac-access.net, as well as one on yahoo groups (I stopped participating in that one when it went to yahoo groups, so don't know what it's called) and my mac pages have more information as well, at http://www.softcon.com/mac/ I know of at least two others of the top of my head, though I don't know what their urls are, but there's also loads of mac resources located on the site that has podcasts for the blind about all kinds of topics, though the name of the site escapes me at the moment, And, just to keep this on topic, there are games posted on my mac pages, most run in terminal, but the yahtzee game is a full-blown mac gui program that works very well with voiceover. Enjoy. On Jun 24, 2015, at 6:07 PM, dark wrote: Hi Katy. that is very odd given that whitestick.co.uk has a hole page dedicated to Apple in general and Mac in particular: http://www.whitestick.co.uk/mac.html As I said not having a Mac myself I can't be certain on these, but I do know whitestick.co.uk is pretty good on the resource lists (their games to play online one is a very useful thing). All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Katie Epperson mythgir...@yahoo.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New discussion forum I'll tell you how many forums for Mac users I have found. None. Mac accessibility seems to be the least of everyone's concerns. On Jun 24, 2015, at 6:11 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well good luck with that one. I'm not sure tips and tricks about nearly anything is specific enough to interest too many visitors, but we'll see, in particularly I don't know how many forums already exist for Vi mac users sinse I don't have one myself. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Katie Epperson mythgir...@yahoo.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New discussion forum There will be a place where people can share tips and tricks about nearly anything. There will also be a special place for Mac users. On Jun 23, 2015, at 6:45 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Your first point is why I asked my question. We were invited to a forum with no information as to why or what we would find there. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New discussion forum Hi Katy. Congrats on setting up the forum, however My problem is, what exactly is this forum for? A discussion forum needs to be about a specific matter to encourage people to use it, to discuss things that can't be done elsewhere, simply saying here is a forum doesn't really tell people very much or give an indication of why people should visit. It's a bit like saying here is an empty room with a table and some chairs, come and have a conversation Also, I'm afraid the only topic I saw there other than a welcome topic was paladin of the sky Now, there ist' anything wrong with that, but given we already have one mailing list and one extremely large forum on audiogames.net for game discussion, why do people need another forum about games? I'm sorry if this comes across as negative, I'm not saying this to be unfare, just that unfortunately I've seen people try this before and it's always had the same result for the same reason, either the person just replicates something we already have so nobody wants to visit, or the person doesn't particularly have an idea of what the forum is for anyway. I'd suggest myself you have a think on a subject that a discussion forum could exist for which we don't! already have filled in the community and then considder structuring a forum around that, rather than just having a generalized discussion forum with no real impetus to visit or trying to create yet another games forum. As I said, I'm not trying to be deliberately negative here, just pointing out that saying here is a forum really doesn't offer much. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Katie Epperson mythgir...@yahoo.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 1:21 AM Subject: [Audyssey] New discussion forum Hello all. I would like to announce that a new discussion forum is being hosted. Register at www.katieepperson.x10.mx/forum/punbb-1.4.2 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines)
Braille and an audio CD. Simple. Large print readers are covered by an audio option. Done. On 6/24/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Here's what you wrote: Charles I agree. There are those that don't use a computer. The easiest and lest expensive is audio mp3 or cd. I don't think tape decks exist now but that was also an easy way to handle it. I am not sure if anyone really reads braille these days. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) I never said I wasn't interested in braille. I know vary well braille is used in school especially its used electronicly and on paper etc. However ever since I graduated to a fully useable laptop I havn't needed to use braille. My part about the books and machines is true enough though this was before the wide use of the electronic systems which in my day I never had. Its a lot different now. Anyway bar theodd book I don't deal with braille daily and with my work of testing various things and gaming braille is seldomn used or needed. I havn't needed to write on it for ages, even the machines I am used to have changed. In my day thoug braille was so heavy I couldn't wait to stop using it. Thats aparently changed a deal since I last used it fully. At 06:23 a.m. 23/06/2015, you wrote: I just responded to a post you sent that said that you don't think that anyone uses braille anymore. In light of that post, this one makes no sense, because you seem to show interest in braille. Which of your posts is accurate in giving your opinion of braille usage? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) that will be nice. your average laser printer costs around 300-400 bucks and 400 will give you a resonable priced unit. I have one that cost around that much with full network functions and with updates to its firmware wireless eprint which tablet users find really good. I also enjoyed the discussion on the canute. Heck if this works I will get one. One thing I have been interested in is a braille display of some tipe and a good braille keyboard to use the computer with so I can keep my braille going. Ever since I started using a computer in 1995 I gradually stopped typing with the old clunky and heavy braille units. aparently from a friend in the industry they are starting with the electronic units with simple functions and graduating to full computers. However I find it faster on a querty I just wish I could read braille on the screen without spending a lot of cash to get one. Even though you can get some cheap units for 2000 dollars I wouldn't use it enough. At 03:02 a.m. 20/06/2015, you wrote: once the braigo braille printer comes out braille embossers should cost no more than $300 or so. check out braigo labs http://www.braigolabs.com/ follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 6/19/2015 8:18 AM, dark wrote: Hi Tom. Buy an embosser? that is way more overkill than I am thinking here. In the Uk at least there are braille transcription services that will spend their time on printing, it's one way that say a local theatre can get braille programs, sinse you are correct that braille embossers are stupidly expensive. I don't have a clear idea on costs, sinse it's not something I've looked into but I don't believe it's that much, particularly as regards reproducing the thing once you've got one printed and then are making copies. As to people who don't have much to do with the blind community, well to be honest I fall into that category marginly myself simply because I don't find blindness events or organizations that helpful or that I have much in common with a lot of other blind people, though i still do look at the news letters just in case anything vaguely interesting comes up, and would probably pick up a leaflet on something like games. of course there will be some people who literally don't have anything at all with any blindness organization, but you can't cover everyone! my suggestion of an intro leaflet was just to let more people know who normally might not. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can
[Audyssey] Space traders
Unfortunately, in my message about space traders, and ioresult.com, I mistakenly stated that spacetraders was the opensource version of the program, and that I had a copy for anyone who couldn't find it. The name of that program is actually space tyrant, not space traders. Sorry for the confusion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] braille chauvinism and the golden rule
Dear all, First, braille is a format that I use whenever possible. Second, not all visually impaired people do so. Three, the blind community is very quick to complain, loudly, about inaccessibility of governmental documents, business materials, restaurant menus, and other forms of media used by the mainstream world to communicate in written forms. Fourth, unless something changed when I wasn't looking, audio games are not called braille games, games for blind people who read braille, or games that are on computers but would be better in braille format. Fifth, if I as a business person wish to reach the widest circulation and the widest possible market share of a potentially new market, I would be an absolute fool to limit myself to one segment of that market by only submitting materials in one format. Sixth, while some people do not understand it, redundancy of message is never a lost cause. Having large print means that sighted individuals who might donate to kick starter programs, or other ways of providing more funding to accessible gaming, might have access to this material. It is not only blind people who belong to and participate in events that cater to the visually impaired. Im willing to lay odds that for those of you who went blind as children, your sighted parents found out about programs and got you items through programs that you never knew about. Seventh, the amount of sheer chauvinism demonstrated on this point has been amazing. If you wish for equal access to anything, you shouldn't begin your conversation by limiting access for others to materials you wish to be available to anyone, and I repeat anyone, who might have an interest in your community. Finally, and I think this is the most important point of all: whether or not this project does materialize, if it is decided that it is only going to be supported in limited braille or audio only formats, I'm not for one going to support it. It's bad practice, not only from a business standpoint, but from an example setting standpoint. The way to conquer prejudice against blind people is not to display equal and opposite prejudice. Take care, Jeremy -- In the fight between you and the world--back the world! Frank Zapa --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
