Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

2011-12-20 Thread Amanda Burt

I prefer lists to forems.  I find them easier to handle.

Amanda

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Hi Shaun,

Yeah, I know, but what I was looking for here is some actual figures
as to how many blind gamers prefer mailing lists over forums or forums
over lists. So far while there seem to be a handful of us in favor of
a forum the majority by far seem to like lists better.

However, the USA Games community isn't that large to really require a
forum anyway. There is only like 40 to 45 people subbed to the list at
any given time, and it has been very low traffic of late. Forums seem
to be more popular with large  game companies like Electronic Arts or
someone like that who has thousands of subscribers on any given day.
with that many subscribers a mailing list would be totally impractical
as it could never keep up with the hundreds of posts that would be
typical of a subscriber list that size, and even if it did I doubt the
average gamer wants 500 e-mails poring into their inbox daily. So
obviously large companies really need a forum for heavy message
traffic rather than a mailing list.


On 12/20/11, shaun everiss  wrote:

I have noticed a small trend in the other direction, a lot of new
stuff gets forumed sometimes and the lists left out for ages, so
giving them a miss is probably not a good things eiter.


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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

2011-12-20 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun,

Yeah, I know, but what I was looking for here is some actual figures
as to how many blind gamers prefer mailing lists over forums or forums
over lists. So far while there seem to be a handful of us in favor of
a forum the majority by far seem to like lists better.

However, the USA Games community isn't that large to really require a
forum anyway. There is only like 40 to 45 people subbed to the list at
any given time, and it has been very low traffic of late. Forums seem
to be more popular with large  game companies like Electronic Arts or
someone like that who has thousands of subscribers on any given day.
with that many subscribers a mailing list would be totally impractical
as it could never keep up with the hundreds of posts that would be
typical of a subscriber list that size, and even if it did I doubt the
average gamer wants 500 e-mails poring into their inbox daily. So
obviously large companies really need a forum for heavy message
traffic rather than a mailing list.


On 12/20/11, shaun everiss  wrote:
> I have noticed a small trend in the other direction, a lot of new
> stuff gets forumed sometimes and the lists left out for ages, so
> giving them a miss is probably not a good things eiter.

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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

2011-12-20 Thread Valiant8086
Mailing list. I absolutely hate forums. I think it takes too much effort 
to monitor a forum when I could just open up my email and see if I have 
any messages in my mailboxes. Perhaps a forum that allowed submission 
via email and would send all posts to a mailing list, or just having the 
mailing list archive in a way that it looked like a forum.



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On 12/20/2011 5:14 AM, Thomas Ward wrote:

Hi everyone,

Over the last few days I have been actively rewriting and updating the
USA Games web pages, scripts, etc for 2012, and among the changes I'm
considering is replacing the USA Games mailing list and developers
list with an online forum similar to Audiogames.net or the BGT forum.
I'm interested in your opinions on this before I make any serious
changes in that direction. How many of you are in favor of switching
to an online forum and how many of you would rather stick to a mailing
list for discussion?

Thanks.

Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.

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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

2011-12-20 Thread shaun everiss
I have noticed a small trend in the other direction, a lot of new 
stuff gets forumed sometimes and the lists left out for ages, so 
giving them a miss is probably not a good things eiter.

At 07:56 a.m. 20/12/2011 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Dark,

Well, right now I must say you and I are in the minority when it comes
to forums. I've gotten several e-mails on this topic today and clearly
public opinion is for a mailing list which we already have. That's
fine as far as it goes because the USA Games mailing lists don't get
all that much traffic. When people want to talk about STFC, MOTA, or
anything else they seem to go to Audyssey rather than the USA Games
list. So I don't want to drive even more people away which is why I
asked.

The developers list has suffered a similar fate. Before BGT came out
there were a few people interested in learning VB, C#, C++, Java,
Python, whatever to write their own games from scratch. Now, that BGT
is the tool of choice several of the potential developers are on the
BGT forum. I can't honestly blame them as BGT is certainly better than
trying to program an entire game or game engine from scratch in any
programming language.

That said, I like forums for basically the same reason you do. If I am
going to read a forum its nice to pop in, read a thread that is of
personal interest, and skip everything that isn't. I don't have to
first delete everything from my e-mail inbox I have no personal
interest in, and then read/reply to everything that is left. However,
it looks like most are comfortable with the current list setup we have
now on USA Games.

Cheers!

On 12/20/11, dark  wrote:
> I'd personally prefer a forum, sinse it's possible to pop in and pop out of
> a forum but not with a mailing list.
>
> I had to unsubscribe from the Usagames mailing list because I was just
> getting far too much mail to read, but would be happy to drop into a forum
> as and when I had the time.
>
> Beware the grue!
>
> Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

2011-12-20 Thread Allen

Hi, Thomas,

My vote is to keep the mailing list.  In my opinion forums are annoying and 
take too much time to navigate.


Allen

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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:14 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums



Hi everyone,

Over the last few days I have been actively rewriting and updating the
USA Games web pages, scripts, etc for 2012, and among the changes I'm
considering is replacing the USA Games mailing list and developers
list with an online forum similar to Audiogames.net or the BGT forum.
I'm interested in your opinions on this before I make any serious
changes in that direction. How many of you are in favor of switching
to an online forum and how many of you would rather stick to a mailing
list for discussion?

Thanks.

Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.

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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

2011-12-20 Thread burakyuksek

Hi,
I prefer forums, because you  can see previous posts the people wrote. In 
mails, it is more confusing.

saygilar sevgiler.
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I like mail, it lets me read only what I want.
I like forms too, but you have to read all the stuff you don't want to get 
to what you do want. The same goes for wickys.


At 05:14 AM 12/20/2011, you wrote:

Hi everyone,

Over the last few days I have been actively rewriting and updating the
USA Games web pages, scripts, etc for 2012, and among the changes I'm
considering is replacing the USA Games mailing list and developers
list with an online forum similar to Audiogames.net or the BGT forum.
I'm interested in your opinions on this before I make any serious
changes in that direction. How many of you are in favor of switching
to an online forum and how many of you would rather stick to a mailing
list for discussion?

Thanks.

Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.

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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

2011-12-20 Thread QuentinC
Sorry for those who get this message twice, but since the topic has been 
opened on both audissay and developers mailing-list, I decided to 
forward my opinion on both lists too.



Hello,

I personnally prefer forums over mailing-lists, if the forum web pages 
are made accessible.


For me, advantages of forums over mailing-lists are :
1 - Discussions are sorted into distinct topicc, it's easier to read or 
follow a complete discussion, or go back to what a particular person 
said a few

time ago in a given topic.
2 - If you aren't interested in a specific topic, just ignore it. In a 
mailing list you have to delete all messages having the subject line you 
don't want.


3 - I often find that mailing-lists are  more spammy than forums. You 
don't want to discuss, just don't go on the forum website. With 
mailing-lists you
anyway see all these messages, because you anyway open your mail client 
to get important messages (work, school, etc.)


If you can, use one which is accessible and alow quick response (write 
your response on the same page as the messages without the need to open 
a special

edition page)
The one which is on audiogames.net is a good forum for example.


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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

2011-12-20 Thread dark

Hi Tom.

I agree on forums.

As long as it's not a silly board with links everywhere and a less than 
accessible setup, i've never had problems navigating forums, and it's easy 
enough to skip down from post to post by tabbing and then just reading the 
ones I want, or going streight to the bottom with hal's jump to eddit area 
key.


If people aren't as used to using webpage navigation to jump to button, jump 
to edit area or skip paragraphs I could see the problem with forums 
generally, but for myself as long as the forum is a logically layed out one.


I have nothing against mailing lists, it's just that while if I miss a 
couple of days on a forum it's not a big deal sinse I can just skip in and 
read most recent content, mailing lists I have to keep up with or my inbox 
just gets over full, especially when discussions take place that I'm not 
included in.


At the moment I really can't afford to be on another list, which is why I'd 
be in favour of a Usa games forum, sinse while I'm willing to drop into any 
forum and post occasionally (as indeed I have on many for online games like 
core exiles), I'd rather not be on more mailing lists, and indeed stopped my 
subscription to the Usa games list for this reason.


Beware the grue!

Dark.


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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums



Hi Dark,

Well, right now I must say you and I are in the minority when it comes
to forums. I've gotten several e-mails on this topic today and clearly
public opinion is for a mailing list which we already have. That's
fine as far as it goes because the USA Games mailing lists don't get
all that much traffic. When people want to talk about STFC, MOTA, or
anything else they seem to go to Audyssey rather than the USA Games
list. So I don't want to drive even more people away which is why I
asked.

The developers list has suffered a similar fate. Before BGT came out
there were a few people interested in learning VB, C#, C++, Java,
Python, whatever to write their own games from scratch. Now, that BGT
is the tool of choice several of the potential developers are on the
BGT forum. I can't honestly blame them as BGT is certainly better than
trying to program an entire game or game engine from scratch in any
programming language.

That said, I like forums for basically the same reason you do. If I am
going to read a forum its nice to pop in, read a thread that is of
personal interest, and skip everything that isn't. I don't have to
first delete everything from my e-mail inbox I have no personal
interest in, and then read/reply to everything that is left. However,
it looks like most are comfortable with the current list setup we have
now on USA Games.

Cheers!

On 12/20/11, dark  wrote:
I'd personally prefer a forum, sinse it's possible to pop in and pop out 
of

a forum but not with a mailing list.

I had to unsubscribe from the Usagames mailing list because I was just
getting far too much mail to read, but would be happy to drop into a 
forum

as and when I had the time.

Beware the grue!

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

2011-12-20 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark,

Well, right now I must say you and I are in the minority when it comes
to forums. I've gotten several e-mails on this topic today and clearly
public opinion is for a mailing list which we already have. That's
fine as far as it goes because the USA Games mailing lists don't get
all that much traffic. When people want to talk about STFC, MOTA, or
anything else they seem to go to Audyssey rather than the USA Games
list. So I don't want to drive even more people away which is why I
asked.

The developers list has suffered a similar fate. Before BGT came out
there were a few people interested in learning VB, C#, C++, Java,
Python, whatever to write their own games from scratch. Now, that BGT
is the tool of choice several of the potential developers are on the
BGT forum. I can't honestly blame them as BGT is certainly better than
trying to program an entire game or game engine from scratch in any
programming language.

That said, I like forums for basically the same reason you do. If I am
going to read a forum its nice to pop in, read a thread that is of
personal interest, and skip everything that isn't. I don't have to
first delete everything from my e-mail inbox I have no personal
interest in, and then read/reply to everything that is left. However,
it looks like most are comfortable with the current list setup we have
now on USA Games.

Cheers!

On 12/20/11, dark  wrote:
> I'd personally prefer a forum, sinse it's possible to pop in and pop out of
> a forum but not with a mailing list.
>
> I had to unsubscribe from the Usagames mailing list because I was just
> getting far too much mail to read, but would be happy to drop into a forum
> as and when I had the time.
>
> Beware the grue!
>
> Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

2011-12-20 Thread Phil Vlasak

Hi Thomas,
I visit forums only after an announcement is posted to a list.
I prefer the forums that have the link to the gam at the top with a comment 
by the developer and the postings in the order of the most recent right 
below the top.
 I find it hard to go from forum message to message without having to read 
all the information inbetween.

I don't care how many messages that person has posted.
Is there a hot key to get tot he text of each message bypassing all the 
stuff inbetween?
So I usually like lists better as I can read the subject and delete the 
message with one key stroke.
Phil 



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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

2011-12-20 Thread Alfredo_The_Music_maker
I personally prefer a mailing list, as I have found that I hardly use 
online forums such as Audio games.net. I just do not really find it that 
convenient for me.

Alfredo

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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

2011-12-20 Thread Darren Duff
I think E-mail lists are just snappier. 

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Hello, i like email lists better if i had to pick a prefforance as i find
forams hard to navigate.

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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

2011-12-20 Thread Ian McNamara
Hello, i like email lists better if i had to pick a prefforance as i find 
forams hard to navigate.

Ian McNamara
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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

2011-12-20 Thread Mich
Hi I persenley prefer a mailing list since I really don't go on forims that 
offen and find the mailing list more handy. hth. from Mich.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:42 AM
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I'd personally prefer a forum, sinse it's possible to pop in and pop out 
of a forum but not with a mailing list.


I had to unsubscribe from the Usagames mailing list because I was just 
getting far too much mail to read, but would be happy to drop into a forum 
as and when I had the time.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 10:14 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums



Hi everyone,

Over the last few days I have been actively rewriting and updating the
USA Games web pages, scripts, etc for 2012, and among the changes I'm
considering is replacing the USA Games mailing list and developers
list with an online forum similar to Audiogames.net or the BGT forum.
I'm interested in your opinions on this before I make any serious
changes in that direction. How many of you are in favor of switching
to an online forum and how many of you would rather stick to a mailing
list for discussion?

Thanks.

Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.

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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

2011-12-20 Thread dark
I'd personally prefer a forum, sinse it's possible to pop in and pop out of 
a forum but not with a mailing list.


I had to unsubscribe from the Usagames mailing list because I was just 
getting far too much mail to read, but would be happy to drop into a forum 
as and when I had the time.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: "Thomas Ward" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 10:14 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums



Hi everyone,

Over the last few days I have been actively rewriting and updating the
USA Games web pages, scripts, etc for 2012, and among the changes I'm
considering is replacing the USA Games mailing list and developers
list with an online forum similar to Audiogames.net or the BGT forum.
I'm interested in your opinions on this before I make any serious
changes in that direction. How many of you are in favor of switching
to an online forum and how many of you would rather stick to a mailing
list for discussion?

Thanks.

Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.

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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

2011-12-20 Thread Trouble

I like mail, it lets me read only what I want.
I like forms too, but you have to read all the stuff you don't want 
to get to what you do want. The same goes for wickys.


At 05:14 AM 12/20/2011, you wrote:

Hi everyone,

Over the last few days I have been actively rewriting and updating the
USA Games web pages, scripts, etc for 2012, and among the changes I'm
considering is replacing the USA Games mailing list and developers
list with an online forum similar to Audiogames.net or the BGT forum.
I'm interested in your opinions on this before I make any serious
changes in that direction. How many of you are in favor of switching
to an online forum and how many of you would rather stick to a mailing
list for discussion?

Thanks.

Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.

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[Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

2011-12-20 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi everyone,

Over the last few days I have been actively rewriting and updating the
USA Games web pages, scripts, etc for 2012, and among the changes I'm
considering is replacing the USA Games mailing list and developers
list with an online forum similar to Audiogames.net or the BGT forum.
I'm interested in your opinions on this before I make any serious
changes in that direction. How many of you are in favor of switching
to an online forum and how many of you would rather stick to a mailing
list for discussion?

Thanks.

Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.

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