Re: [Audyssey] audio games on a laptop
Hello Nicol, Quote i went to the u s ay games site. N v d ay does not recognize the buy now button next to monte. It only recognizes the following: montizuma's return preorder 30 dollars graphic pixel.gif. End quote That is very oddd behavior, because I specifically tested NVDA with my web site prier to posting it to the web sight. What web browser and version of it are you using? I just started NVDA 0.5 and went to that page with Mozilla Firefox 2.0.11 and the buy now button is working perfectly. I also switched over to Internet Explorer 7 with NVDA and again the buy now button is working perfectly. So I don't know what the deal is with your issue. I hate to say this, but sometimes when I get complaints like this I have to consider the fact it can be the user's fault and not my web site or the screen reader involved. Either that or something is not setup correctly on your brother's laptop. Either case I have just tested it under both conditions you suggest and I can down arrow directly to the buy now button, press enter, and fill out the order form. Quote I tried pressing enter where it says graphic pixel.gif nothing happens. Not even pressing the left mouse button works and a laptop doesn't have the slash and star keys a desktop has used for clicking and it appears that n v d ay doesn't have a click functionality. End quote On the contrary NVDA 0.5 does have left click functionality. However, it is not on the star or slash keys. The fact you are quite unaware of this suggests to me you aren't vary familiar with NVDA, and you are attempting to use NVDA as if it were Jaws. All I can say is you really do need to read the nVDA documentation, and learn how to use the screen reader before blaming the web site developer for issues that is in all likelyhood not his or her fault. Quote So my new year's message to game developers is: please make your websites more accessible for less privileged blind people making use of a free screen reader and a laptop, who wish to download or purchase games. End quote If you knew me at all you would not have insulted me with that statement. To Set the record strait I have both a laptop and a desktop and I have tested that web site with more screen readers than you probably have access to. I tested that web site with NVDA 0.5, Window Eyes 6.1, Jaws 8.0, and even with Orca 2.18 for Linux. In each case I didn't experience any serious difficulties in accessing the web site. I take great pains to make everything I create user friendly and accessible. I can't do anything about your issue if you don't give me the specific setup that is causing the conflict, and I can't see anything in the code to suggest any issues either. It is a standard html button. There is nothing I can do to "make that button more accessible," because it is already using standard and proper html code which should present itself to any screen reader with no issues. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] audio games on a laptop
Hi Ari, Yes, that is true. NVDA is still pretty new, and it's access isn't up to par with Jaws or Window Eyes no matter what might be said about it. However, interesting thing is I tested it myself just 5 minutes ago and it worked fine with the USA Games web site. As for Nicol's keyboard it sounds pretty non-standard for a laptop keyboard. My laptop has two shift keys where he says he only has one, and my arrow keys are in the same configuration as a desktop where his seam to be in an odd arrangement. Bottom line I can't be expected to support every odd or weird screen reader quark or a keyboard with a weird layout just for one user. In the majority of cases noone should have any problems with my shopping cart which was tested with four different screen readers and passed. ari wrote: > Hi Nicol, > You have to change NVDA to use laptop keyboard, I'm using a laptop with > JAWS, and I don't have problems. Also, maybe the keyboard of the laptop > you're using is strange, because my arrows are all in the right places, > actually my laptop works better with games then the old desktop did! You > must remember, NVDA is also new and still doesn't work properly with a lot > of stuff although I'm really hoping it will improve, but for hard sites and > stuff use a JAWS demo. > Ari > > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] audio games on a laptop
You can write to the NVDA list which is at www.NVDAproject.org and then you can tell them that the screen reader isn't reading all sites yet. You can use mozilla firefox that's what they recomend and then you can also tell them thatt you used this the screen reader to play games then maybe in the next version all those bugs will be fixed. You send those suggestion to Michael Curran. [EMAIL PROTECTED] windowslive contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] yahoo messenger contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and skype contact kb3icc and this is Jason known as Blind Fury - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers" Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:15 AM Subject: [Audyssey] audio games on a laptop > My brother allowed me to explore a bit on his laptop. He was even so kind > to download n v d ay for me. Because my cellphone service provider offers > a contract for 500 south african rand then they give one a laptop and > unlimited internet access and 500 mb download capacity. So now i explored > my brother's laptop a bit. A laptop does not have the extended arrows a > desktop has. A continuous movement such as shift plus up arrow in sod > would be impossible as a laptop only has one shift key located to the > immediate right of the slash key and the up arrow sits far above it. So to > play games on a laptop i have to get a bluetooth keyboard. So on my > brother's laptop i went to jim kitchen's site. By pressing the arrows n v > d ay only says top blank bottom. My brother's laptop has a touch sensative > mouse. Its just a little square over which sighted people rub their > fingers to move the pointer. While moving my fingers across it n v d ay > reads the text but the mouse is blind user unfriendly. > But n v d ay reads other sites fine indicating all elements including > tables. Then i went to the u s ay games site. N v d ay does not recognize > the buy now button next to monte. It only recognizes the following: > montizuma's return > preorder > 30 dollars > graphic pixel.gif > i tried pressing enter where it says graphic pixel.gif nothing happens. > Not even pressing the left mouse button works and a laptop doesn't have > the slash and star keys a desktop has used for clicking and it appears > that n v d ay doesn't have a click functionality. So my new year's message > to game developers is: > please make your websites more accessible for less privileged blind people > making use of a free screen reader and a laptop, who wish to download or > purchase games. . > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] audio games on a laptop
Hi Nicol, You have to change NVDA to use laptop keyboard, I'm using a laptop with JAWS, and I don't have problems. Also, maybe the keyboard of the laptop you're using is strange, because my arrows are all in the right places, actually my laptop works better with games then the old desktop did! You must remember, NVDA is also new and still doesn't work properly with a lot of stuff although I'm really hoping it will improve, but for hard sites and stuff use a JAWS demo. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Audyssey] audio games on a laptop
My brother allowed me to explore a bit on his laptop. He was even so kind to download n v d ay for me. Because my cellphone service provider offers a contract for 500 south african rand then they give one a laptop and unlimited internet access and 500 mb download capacity. So now i explored my brother's laptop a bit. A laptop does not have the extended arrows a desktop has. A continuous movement such as shift plus up arrow in sod would be impossible as a laptop only has one shift key located to the immediate right of the slash key and the up arrow sits far above it. So to play games on a laptop i have to get a bluetooth keyboard. So on my brother's laptop i went to jim kitchen's site. By pressing the arrows n v d ay only says top blank bottom. My brother's laptop has a touch sensative mouse. Its just a little square over which sighted people rub their fingers to move the pointer. While moving my fingers across it n v d ay reads the text but the mouse is blind user unfriendly. But n v d ay reads other sites fine indicating all elements including tables. Then i went to the u s ay games site. N v d ay does not recognize the buy now button next to monte. It only recognizes the following: montizuma's return preorder 30 dollars graphic pixel.gif i tried pressing enter where it says graphic pixel.gif nothing happens. Not even pressing the left mouse button works and a laptop doesn't have the slash and star keys a desktop has used for clicking and it appears that n v d ay doesn't have a click functionality. So my new year's message to game developers is: please make your websites more accessible for less privileged blind people making use of a free screen reader and a laptop, who wish to download or purchase games. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
