Re: [Audyssey] mac is a joke (was windows xp,

[Zaire Johnson]

Thanks Justen, I kinda wish that the MpC ren was able to run with android
or google computers. However, they set it up to run on macks. It's all good
though 'cause it would take me a minute to get both the mack and the M.P.C.
Renasance. Anyway, I hope one day they'll at least equip Google/android
devices with better games and stuff. I wish it didn't cause so much trouble
to build better tools for the blind.

On Aug 10, 2016 7:55 PM, "Zaire Johnson"  wrote:

> EEven though I'm an android person, I have to say that even though Mack
> may be a joke to you, they're running the game right now. The computer for
> google can't even write offline. Nor does it have accessable software for
> music. I wish they did 'cause it would make my android life eeasier
> considering what I want to do.
>
> On Jul 26, 2016 1:23 PM, "Tim Morris"  wrote:
>
> > Windows, linix, and macs do have there place for what they can do.
> > However,as far as building a windows box to equal a mac is more trouble
> > because of the faults of windows. Anyone that has a mac and ran windows
> can
> > tell you windows runns better on a mac. The reason macs are high priced
> is
> > better hardware then you will find on any windows box sold unless
> > customized.
> > > On Jul 24, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Justin Jones 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have never seen the logic in using something "just because," but I
> > > take Linux much more seriously than Mac OS.
> > >
> > > If I ever have need to use Linux, then I will look into it, but I do
> > > not foresee such a need.
> > >
> > > On 7/24/16, Devin Prater  wrote:
> > >> I could go for Windows, but Linux, to me holds the most promise. I can
> > >> always run Windows in vmware player, which is free on Linux, or even
> > virtual
> > >> box, which is accessible there too. I can even play video games, and
> the
> > >> controller can vibrate, within Linux, because the drivers are made by
> > the
> > >> community that appreciates features like these. The whole community
> > aspect
> > >> of Linux, and the way it isn't tied to one ruling corporation is what
> > draws
> > >> me to Linux. That and the fact that blind people already use it
> > >> successfully., ,
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On Jul 24, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Justin Jones 
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Yes, that is fair: the Mac being fairly beginner proof, I mean to
> say.
> > >>>
> > >>> Happily, Windows these days is not so easily broken, i.e. back in the
> > >>> bad old days of Win 95/98, where it did not take much to crash the
> > >>> computer. XP introduced a much needed level of stability, and for the
> > >>> time, it was a decent operating system. Then Windows 7 came along
> > >>> (after Vista, I am aware) and I have had to actually try for a blue
> > >>> screen of death. Any crashes that occur on my Windows 7 machine have
> > >>> little to do with Windows and more to do with JAWS.
> > >>>
> >  On 7/24/16, Devin Prater  wrote:
> >  The mac in my view, is better for beginning computer users. Now that
> > I'm
> >  slightly more advanced, I want more powerful applications, and way
> >  better
> >  braille support. But that is not possible with the Mac. Besides
> that,
> >  there
> >  are very little games for the Mac, and vmware fusion costs, whereas
> >  Linux
> >  has vmware player. So yeah, I'm slowly ascending beyond the Mac, and
> >  possibly even iOS, although I may jailbreak sooner than buy a whole
> >  other
> >  Android device.
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On Jul 24, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Travis Siegel 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't understand why you would say this.  I've been using a mac
> for
> > > more
> > > than 10 years, and it's done everything I needed it to do for that
> > > entire
> > > time.  I've had very few issues with my macs, other than normal
> wear
> > > and
> > > tear on the machines.  In fact, I've had much better luck with my
> > macs
> > > (hardware wise) than I ever did on my windows machines.  I've never
> > had
> > > to
> > > reinstall my os due to any sort of issues, and since programs exist
> > for
> > > doing anything and everything I want to do, I've had no issues
> > getting
> > > things done for that entire time, so I'd hardly consider that a
> joke.
> > > I've also been using linux systems off and on for more than 20
> years,
> > > and
> > > they've done everything I've asked of them as well.  My windows
> > > machines
> > > don't have half the track record my macs and linux boxes have, so
> if
> > > you
> > > want to point fingers, point them back at your favorite os.  I'm
> not
> > > trying to start an os flame ware, there's already been more than
> > enough
> > > of
> > > 

Re: [Audyssey] mac is a joke (was windows xp,

[Zaire Johnson]

EEven though I'm an android person, I have to say that even though Mack
may be a joke to you, they're running the game right now. The computer for
google can't even write offline. Nor does it have accessable software for
music. I wish they did 'cause it would make my android life eeasier
considering what I want to do.

On Jul 26, 2016 1:23 PM, "Tim Morris"  wrote:

> Windows, linix, and macs do have there place for what they can do.
> However,as far as building a windows box to equal a mac is more trouble
> because of the faults of windows. Anyone that has a mac and ran windows can
> tell you windows runns better on a mac. The reason macs are high priced is
> better hardware then you will find on any windows box sold unless
> customized.
> > On Jul 24, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Justin Jones  wrote:
> >
> > I have never seen the logic in using something "just because," but I
> > take Linux much more seriously than Mac OS.
> >
> > If I ever have need to use Linux, then I will look into it, but I do
> > not foresee such a need.
> >
> > On 7/24/16, Devin Prater  wrote:
> >> I could go for Windows, but Linux, to me holds the most promise. I can
> >> always run Windows in vmware player, which is free on Linux, or even
> virtual
> >> box, which is accessible there too. I can even play video games, and the
> >> controller can vibrate, within Linux, because the drivers are made by
> the
> >> community that appreciates features like these. The whole community
> aspect
> >> of Linux, and the way it isn't tied to one ruling corporation is what
> draws
> >> me to Linux. That and the fact that blind people already use it
> >> successfully., ,
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jul 24, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Justin Jones 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes, that is fair: the Mac being fairly beginner proof, I mean to say.
> >>>
> >>> Happily, Windows these days is not so easily broken, i.e. back in the
> >>> bad old days of Win 95/98, where it did not take much to crash the
> >>> computer. XP introduced a much needed level of stability, and for the
> >>> time, it was a decent operating system. Then Windows 7 came along
> >>> (after Vista, I am aware) and I have had to actually try for a blue
> >>> screen of death. Any crashes that occur on my Windows 7 machine have
> >>> little to do with Windows and more to do with JAWS.
> >>>
>  On 7/24/16, Devin Prater  wrote:
>  The mac in my view, is better for beginning computer users. Now that
> I'm
>  slightly more advanced, I want more powerful applications, and way
>  better
>  braille support. But that is not possible with the Mac. Besides that,
>  there
>  are very little games for the Mac, and vmware fusion costs, whereas
>  Linux
>  has vmware player. So yeah, I'm slowly ascending beyond the Mac, and
>  possibly even iOS, although I may jailbreak sooner than buy a whole
>  other
>  Android device.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 24, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Travis Siegel 
> wrote:
> >
> > I don't understand why you would say this.  I've been using a mac for
> > more
> > than 10 years, and it's done everything I needed it to do for that
> > entire
> > time.  I've had very few issues with my macs, other than normal wear
> > and
> > tear on the machines.  In fact, I've had much better luck with my
> macs
> > (hardware wise) than I ever did on my windows machines.  I've never
> had
> > to
> > reinstall my os due to any sort of issues, and since programs exist
> for
> > doing anything and everything I want to do, I've had no issues
> getting
> > things done for that entire time, so I'd hardly consider that a joke.
> > I've also been using linux systems off and on for more than 20 years,
> > and
> > they've done everything I've asked of them as well.  My windows
> > machines
> > don't have half the track record my macs and linux boxes have, so if
> > you
> > want to point fingers, point them back at your favorite os.  I'm not
> > trying to start an os flame ware, there's already been more than
> enough
> > of
> > that, I'm only making it known that in all the time I've been using
> > computers (starting in 1986), out of all the operating systems I've
> > used,
> > windows is the one I've had the most trouble with as a whole.  My
> macs,
> > linux, freebsd, dos, and even a couple minicomputers haven't offered
> > nearly as many problems as my windows boxes have.  Admittedly, a
> large
> > majority of this is due to the fact that windows is the most popular
> > os,
> > and thus, is targeted by a large portion of the virus writers, and
> > other
> > schemes to make problems for general computer users, but I've fell
> foul
> > of
> > very few of those types of 

Re: [Audyssey] mac is a joke (was windows xp,

[Travis Siegel]

It's a simple matter to install raspbian on your raspberry pi, modify it 
with Mike Ray's pispeak code, and have a fully operational computer that 
(even with a case and battery pack) will still fit nicely in a large 
pocket.  Of course, keyboards and thigns add to that, I don't carry mine 
around, only used a powershot to prove it could be done, but with the case 
I have, my pi is about the size of a pack of cards, and I have it hanging 
on the wall next to my desk, so it takes up no room at all, and since I 
use it as my primary machine, I have plenty of desk space for all those 
other computers, (an old slackware machine, a broken display imac, and 
boxes and stacks of books/building materials behind it all for building 
those diy electronic projects.  My desk is full, but it's certainly not 
because of the raspberry pi. :)



On Thu, 28 Jul 2016, Shaun Everiss wrote:


You know I have been debating etting a pie.
It can run windows 10 iot (internet of things) core, as well as arch and 
other linux distros but I havn't bothered with it.
Every time I start rationalising a computer, a new tablet, I start asking 
myself what I want.
To be honest now we have wireless, while it costs a lot, I like the laptop 
idea with all the modules round it as I h ave grown up with  dos and then 
windows.

I do think though that in  theory I should  get and use a desktop pc,
but immediately dismiss this because of how it fits on  my desk.
Fact is I could go either way.
Then again I don't know.
Going back  to what you mentioned about making programs though, my first  dos 
system got a custom job with a programmer friend I  knew making up  a lot  of 
the linux programs converting commands such as beep, cp, fl, ls,  reboot, rm, 
and others to dos for me.

In fact I  still have a disk or so with some of these on  them.
The  physical hard drives, disks  etc of all my stuff have deteriated far 
beyond their usefull abilities and   I have   a  folder of  stuff I run in 
dosbox.
With manamon and also other things in my life  of late I havn't run things as 
much as I would like.
I have  tried to  run arch  on  an old machine when I was down for a month 
with the flue but once better I never turned it on again and now my linux 
install is hosed probably because my computer has lost time again.
From  time  to time I think I should  really reformat  and get things fixed 
but I've never  bothered.






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Re: [Audyssey] mac is a joke (was windows xp,

[Shaun Everiss]

You know I have been debating etting a pie.
It can run windows 10 iot (internet of things) core, as well as arch and 
other linux distros but I havn't bothered with it.
Every time I start rationalising a computer, a new tablet, I start 
asking myself what I want.
To be honest now we have wireless, while it costs a lot, I like the 
laptop idea with all the modules round it as I h ave grown up with  dos 
and then windows.

I do think though that in  theory I should  get and use a desktop pc,
but immediately dismiss this because of how it fits on  my desk.
Fact is I could go either way.
Then again I don't know.
Going back  to what you mentioned about making programs though, my first 
 dos system got a custom job with a programmer friend I  knew making up 
 a lot  of the linux programs converting commands such as beep, cp, fl, 
ls,  reboot, rm, and others to dos for me.

In fact I  still have a disk or so with some of these on  them.
The  physical hard drives, disks  etc of all my stuff have deteriated 
far beyond their usefull abilities and   I have   a  folder of  stuff I 
run in dosbox.
With manamon and also other things in my life  of late I havn't run 
things as much as I would like.
I have  tried to  run arch  on  an old machine when I was down for a 
month with the flue but once better I never turned it on again and now 
my linux  install is hosed probably because my computer has lost time again.
From  time  to time I think I should  really reformat  and get things 
fixed but I've never  bothered.




On 28/07/2016 3:55 a.m., Travis Siegel wrote:

When I need a program that doesn't exist on the mac, I either go to
places like sourceforge and find one, or I sit down and write my own.  I
realize this option isn't open to all, but to be honest, I've had to
write very few apps for myself.  Especially since I'm more a terminal
guy than a graphics one anyhow, so building apple scripts, bash scripts,
or just finding command-line apps to do what I want is no problem at
all.  If you need graphical interfaces for your work, obviously, your
mileage will vary, but honestly, I've never found anything I can't do
with my mac. Admittedly, there are not many games for the mac (though
I've tried to help with that by porting anything I can get my hands on
that looks like it might be useful, though at the moment, my mac pages
are out of service due to several factors, including  switching hosts
recently.  So things aren't as settled as they might otherwise be, but
still, I don't find macs any harder to find programs for than any of my
linux boxes, it only takes a bit of knowledge of where to look, and
experience compiling your own programs.  I realize not everyone likes or
even wants to do this sort of thing, and I suppose in that case, a mac
may not be up to par for that kind of person, but to be honest, these
days, I won't even use a program unless I can download and compile from
scratch if I so choose, (and I often do), which is why I primarily use
linux and freeBsd these days, though I still have windows machines (that
get used rarely, maybe 3 times in the last 10 years or so), and since
I've been enjoying my raspberry pi lately, even my mac gets turned on
less and less these days, but that in no way deminishes it's usability.



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Re: [Audyssey] mac is a joke (was windows xp,

[Travis Siegel]

When I need a program that doesn't exist on the mac, I either go to places 
like sourceforge and find one, or I sit down and write my own.  I realize 
this option isn't open to all, but to be honest, I've had to write very 
few apps for myself.  Especially since I'm more a terminal guy than a 
graphics one anyhow, so building apple scripts, bash scripts, or just 
finding command-line apps to do what I want is no problem at all.  If you 
need graphical interfaces for your work, obviously, your mileage will 
vary, but honestly, I've never found anything I can't do with my mac. 
Admittedly, there are not many games for the mac (though I've tried to 
help with that by porting anything I can get my hands on that looks like 
it might be useful, though at the moment, my mac pages are out of service 
due to several factors, including  switching hosts recently.  So things 
aren't as settled as they might otherwise be, but still, I don't find macs 
any harder to find programs for than any of my linux boxes, it only takes 
a bit of knowledge of where to look, and experience compiling your own 
programs.  I realize not everyone likes or even wants to do this sort of 
thing, and I suppose in that case, a mac may not be up to par for that 
kind of person, but to be honest, these days, I won't even use a program 
unless I can download and compile from scratch if I so choose, (and I 
often do), which is why I primarily use linux and freeBsd these days, 
though I still have windows machines (that get used rarely, maybe 3 times 
in the last 10 years or so), and since I've been enjoying my raspberry pi 
lately, even my mac gets turned on less and less these days, but that in 
no way deminishes it's usability.




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Re: [Audyssey] mac is a joke (was windows xp,

[Jody McKinniss]

Exactly.  I have a mac that runs Windows.  I can tell you from
experience that I have many, many fewer errors as opposed to running
Windows on a regular PC.

On 7/26/16, Tim Morris  wrote:
> Windows, linix, and macs do have there place for what they can do.
> However,as far as building a windows box to equal a mac is more trouble
> because of the faults of windows. Anyone that has a mac and ran windows can
> tell you windows runns better on a mac. The reason macs are high priced is
> better hardware then you will find on any windows box sold unless
> customized.
>> On Jul 24, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Justin Jones  wrote:
>>
>> I have never seen the logic in using something "just because," but I
>> take Linux much more seriously than Mac OS.
>>
>> If I ever have need to use Linux, then I will look into it, but I do
>> not foresee such a need.
>>
>> On 7/24/16, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> I could go for Windows, but Linux, to me holds the most promise. I can
>>> always run Windows in vmware player, which is free on Linux, or even
>>> virtual
>>> box, which is accessible there too. I can even play video games, and the
>>> controller can vibrate, within Linux, because the drivers are made by
>>> the
>>> community that appreciates features like these. The whole community
>>> aspect
>>> of Linux, and the way it isn't tied to one ruling corporation is what
>>> draws
>>> me to Linux. That and the fact that blind people already use it
>>> successfully., ,
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Jul 24, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Justin Jones 
 wrote:

 Yes, that is fair: the Mac being fairly beginner proof, I mean to say.

 Happily, Windows these days is not so easily broken, i.e. back in the
 bad old days of Win 95/98, where it did not take much to crash the
 computer. XP introduced a much needed level of stability, and for the
 time, it was a decent operating system. Then Windows 7 came along
 (after Vista, I am aware) and I have had to actually try for a blue
 screen of death. Any crashes that occur on my Windows 7 machine have
 little to do with Windows and more to do with JAWS.

> On 7/24/16, Devin Prater  wrote:
> The mac in my view, is better for beginning computer users. Now that
> I'm
> slightly more advanced, I want more powerful applications, and way
> better
> braille support. But that is not possible with the Mac. Besides that,
> there
> are very little games for the Mac, and vmware fusion costs, whereas
> Linux
> has vmware player. So yeah, I'm slowly ascending beyond the Mac, and
> possibly even iOS, although I may jailbreak sooner than buy a whole
> other
> Android device.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 24, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Travis Siegel 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't understand why you would say this.  I've been using a mac for
>> more
>> than 10 years, and it's done everything I needed it to do for that
>> entire
>> time.  I've had very few issues with my macs, other than normal wear
>> and
>> tear on the machines.  In fact, I've had much better luck with my
>> macs
>> (hardware wise) than I ever did on my windows machines.  I've never
>> had
>> to
>> reinstall my os due to any sort of issues, and since programs exist
>> for
>> doing anything and everything I want to do, I've had no issues
>> getting
>> things done for that entire time, so I'd hardly consider that a joke.
>> I've also been using linux systems off and on for more than 20 years,
>> and
>> they've done everything I've asked of them as well.  My windows
>> machines
>> don't have half the track record my macs and linux boxes have, so if
>> you
>> want to point fingers, point them back at your favorite os.  I'm not
>> trying to start an os flame ware, there's already been more than
>> enough
>> of
>> that, I'm only making it known that in all the time I've been using
>> computers (starting in 1986), out of all the operating systems I've
>> used,
>> windows is the one I've had the most trouble with as a whole.  My
>> macs,
>> linux, freebsd, dos, and even a couple minicomputers haven't offered
>> nearly as many problems as my windows boxes have.  Admittedly, a
>> large
>> majority of this is due to the fact that windows is the most popular
>> os,
>> and thus, is targeted by a large portion of the virus writers, and
>> other
>> schemes to make problems for general computer users, but I've fell
>> foul
>> of
>> very few of those types of issues, my issues have been more
>> os/equipment
>> related than anything else, but calling a mac a joke is a bit like
>> calling
>> an atm machine problematic.  People use them every day, 

Re: [Audyssey] mac is a joke (was windows xp,

[Tim Morris]

Windows, linix, and macs do have there place for what they can do. However,as 
far as building a windows box to equal a mac is more trouble because of the 
faults of windows. Anyone that has a mac and ran windows can tell you windows 
runns better on a mac. The reason macs are high priced is better hardware then 
you will find on any windows box sold unless customized.
> On Jul 24, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Justin Jones  wrote:
> 
> I have never seen the logic in using something "just because," but I
> take Linux much more seriously than Mac OS.
> 
> If I ever have need to use Linux, then I will look into it, but I do
> not foresee such a need.
> 
> On 7/24/16, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> I could go for Windows, but Linux, to me holds the most promise. I can
>> always run Windows in vmware player, which is free on Linux, or even virtual
>> box, which is accessible there too. I can even play video games, and the
>> controller can vibrate, within Linux, because the drivers are made by the
>> community that appreciates features like these. The whole community aspect
>> of Linux, and the way it isn't tied to one ruling corporation is what draws
>> me to Linux. That and the fact that blind people already use it
>> successfully., ,
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Justin Jones  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, that is fair: the Mac being fairly beginner proof, I mean to say.
>>> 
>>> Happily, Windows these days is not so easily broken, i.e. back in the
>>> bad old days of Win 95/98, where it did not take much to crash the
>>> computer. XP introduced a much needed level of stability, and for the
>>> time, it was a decent operating system. Then Windows 7 came along
>>> (after Vista, I am aware) and I have had to actually try for a blue
>>> screen of death. Any crashes that occur on my Windows 7 machine have
>>> little to do with Windows and more to do with JAWS.
>>> 
 On 7/24/16, Devin Prater  wrote:
 The mac in my view, is better for beginning computer users. Now that I'm
 slightly more advanced, I want more powerful applications, and way
 better
 braille support. But that is not possible with the Mac. Besides that,
 there
 are very little games for the Mac, and vmware fusion costs, whereas
 Linux
 has vmware player. So yeah, I'm slowly ascending beyond the Mac, and
 possibly even iOS, although I may jailbreak sooner than buy a whole
 other
 Android device.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 24, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Travis Siegel  wrote:
> 
> I don't understand why you would say this.  I've been using a mac for
> more
> than 10 years, and it's done everything I needed it to do for that
> entire
> time.  I've had very few issues with my macs, other than normal wear
> and
> tear on the machines.  In fact, I've had much better luck with my macs
> (hardware wise) than I ever did on my windows machines.  I've never had
> to
> reinstall my os due to any sort of issues, and since programs exist for
> doing anything and everything I want to do, I've had no issues getting
> things done for that entire time, so I'd hardly consider that a joke.
> I've also been using linux systems off and on for more than 20 years,
> and
> they've done everything I've asked of them as well.  My windows
> machines
> don't have half the track record my macs and linux boxes have, so if
> you
> want to point fingers, point them back at your favorite os.  I'm not
> trying to start an os flame ware, there's already been more than enough
> of
> that, I'm only making it known that in all the time I've been using
> computers (starting in 1986), out of all the operating systems I've
> used,
> windows is the one I've had the most trouble with as a whole.  My macs,
> linux, freebsd, dos, and even a couple minicomputers haven't offered
> nearly as many problems as my windows boxes have.  Admittedly, a large
> majority of this is due to the fact that windows is the most popular
> os,
> and thus, is targeted by a large portion of the virus writers, and
> other
> schemes to make problems for general computer users, but I've fell foul
> of
> very few of those types of issues, my issues have been more
> os/equipment
> related than anything else, but calling a mac a joke is a bit like
> calling
> an atm machine problematic.  People use them every day, and they work
> just
> fine.  Some people choose not to use them, and that's fine, but just
> because they don't meet your needs doesn't make them bad.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, 23 Jul 2016, Justin Jones wrote:
>> 
>> The Mac is an expensive joke. I wish Apple would wise up and get out
>> of the personal computer business and stick to phones and 

Re: [Audyssey] mac is a joke (was windows xp,

[Justin Jones]

I have never seen the logic in using something "just because," but I
take Linux much more seriously than Mac OS.

If I ever have need to use Linux, then I will look into it, but I do
not foresee such a need.

On 7/24/16, Devin Prater  wrote:
> I could go for Windows, but Linux, to me holds the most promise. I can
> always run Windows in vmware player, which is free on Linux, or even virtual
> box, which is accessible there too. I can even play video games, and the
> controller can vibrate, within Linux, because the drivers are made by the
> community that appreciates features like these. The whole community aspect
> of Linux, and the way it isn't tied to one ruling corporation is what draws
> me to Linux. That and the fact that blind people already use it
> successfully., ,
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 24, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Justin Jones  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that is fair: the Mac being fairly beginner proof, I mean to say.
>>
>> Happily, Windows these days is not so easily broken, i.e. back in the
>> bad old days of Win 95/98, where it did not take much to crash the
>> computer. XP introduced a much needed level of stability, and for the
>> time, it was a decent operating system. Then Windows 7 came along
>> (after Vista, I am aware) and I have had to actually try for a blue
>> screen of death. Any crashes that occur on my Windows 7 machine have
>> little to do with Windows and more to do with JAWS.
>>
>>> On 7/24/16, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> The mac in my view, is better for beginning computer users. Now that I'm
>>> slightly more advanced, I want more powerful applications, and way
>>> better
>>> braille support. But that is not possible with the Mac. Besides that,
>>> there
>>> are very little games for the Mac, and vmware fusion costs, whereas
>>> Linux
>>> has vmware player. So yeah, I'm slowly ascending beyond the Mac, and
>>> possibly even iOS, although I may jailbreak sooner than buy a whole
>>> other
>>> Android device.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Jul 24, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Travis Siegel  wrote:

 I don't understand why you would say this.  I've been using a mac for
 more
 than 10 years, and it's done everything I needed it to do for that
 entire
 time.  I've had very few issues with my macs, other than normal wear
 and
 tear on the machines.  In fact, I've had much better luck with my macs
 (hardware wise) than I ever did on my windows machines.  I've never had
 to
 reinstall my os due to any sort of issues, and since programs exist for
 doing anything and everything I want to do, I've had no issues getting
 things done for that entire time, so I'd hardly consider that a joke.
 I've also been using linux systems off and on for more than 20 years,
 and
 they've done everything I've asked of them as well.  My windows
 machines
 don't have half the track record my macs and linux boxes have, so if
 you
 want to point fingers, point them back at your favorite os.  I'm not
 trying to start an os flame ware, there's already been more than enough
 of
 that, I'm only making it known that in all the time I've been using
 computers (starting in 1986), out of all the operating systems I've
 used,
 windows is the one I've had the most trouble with as a whole.  My macs,
 linux, freebsd, dos, and even a couple minicomputers haven't offered
 nearly as many problems as my windows boxes have.  Admittedly, a large
 majority of this is due to the fact that windows is the most popular
 os,
 and thus, is targeted by a large portion of the virus writers, and
 other
 schemes to make problems for general computer users, but I've fell foul
 of
 very few of those types of issues, my issues have been more
 os/equipment
 related than anything else, but calling a mac a joke is a bit like
 calling
 an atm machine problematic.  People use them every day, and they work
 just
 fine.  Some people choose not to use them, and that's fine, but just
 because they don't meet your needs doesn't make them bad.



> On Sat, 23 Jul 2016, Justin Jones wrote:
>
> The Mac is an expensive joke. I wish Apple would wise up and get out
> of the personal computer business and stick to phones and their other
> devices.
>

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Re: [Audyssey] mac is a joke (was windows xp,

[Devin Prater]

I could go for Windows, but Linux, to me holds the most promise. I can always 
run Windows in vmware player, which is free on Linux, or even virtual box, 
which is accessible there too. I can even play video games, and the controller 
can vibrate, within Linux, because the drivers are made by the community that 
appreciates features like these. The whole community aspect of Linux, and the 
way it isn't tied to one ruling corporation is what draws me to Linux. That and 
the fact that blind people already use it successfully., , 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Justin Jones  wrote:
> 
> Yes, that is fair: the Mac being fairly beginner proof, I mean to say.
> 
> Happily, Windows these days is not so easily broken, i.e. back in the
> bad old days of Win 95/98, where it did not take much to crash the
> computer. XP introduced a much needed level of stability, and for the
> time, it was a decent operating system. Then Windows 7 came along
> (after Vista, I am aware) and I have had to actually try for a blue
> screen of death. Any crashes that occur on my Windows 7 machine have
> little to do with Windows and more to do with JAWS.
> 
>> On 7/24/16, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> The mac in my view, is better for beginning computer users. Now that I'm
>> slightly more advanced, I want more powerful applications, and way better
>> braille support. But that is not possible with the Mac. Besides that, there
>> are very little games for the Mac, and vmware fusion costs, whereas Linux
>> has vmware player. So yeah, I'm slowly ascending beyond the Mac, and
>> possibly even iOS, although I may jailbreak sooner than buy a whole other
>> Android device.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Travis Siegel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't understand why you would say this.  I've been using a mac for more
>>> than 10 years, and it's done everything I needed it to do for that entire
>>> time.  I've had very few issues with my macs, other than normal wear and
>>> tear on the machines.  In fact, I've had much better luck with my macs
>>> (hardware wise) than I ever did on my windows machines.  I've never had to
>>> reinstall my os due to any sort of issues, and since programs exist for
>>> doing anything and everything I want to do, I've had no issues getting
>>> things done for that entire time, so I'd hardly consider that a joke.
>>> I've also been using linux systems off and on for more than 20 years, and
>>> they've done everything I've asked of them as well.  My windows machines
>>> don't have half the track record my macs and linux boxes have, so if you
>>> want to point fingers, point them back at your favorite os.  I'm not
>>> trying to start an os flame ware, there's already been more than enough of
>>> that, I'm only making it known that in all the time I've been using
>>> computers (starting in 1986), out of all the operating systems I've used,
>>> windows is the one I've had the most trouble with as a whole.  My macs,
>>> linux, freebsd, dos, and even a couple minicomputers haven't offered
>>> nearly as many problems as my windows boxes have.  Admittedly, a large
>>> majority of this is due to the fact that windows is the most popular os,
>>> and thus, is targeted by a large portion of the virus writers, and other
>>> schemes to make problems for general computer users, but I've fell foul of
>>> very few of those types of issues, my issues have been more os/equipment
>>> related than anything else, but calling a mac a joke is a bit like calling
>>> an atm machine problematic.  People use them every day, and they work just
>>> fine.  Some people choose not to use them, and that's fine, but just
>>> because they don't meet your needs doesn't make them bad.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sat, 23 Jul 2016, Justin Jones wrote:
 
 The Mac is an expensive joke. I wish Apple would wise up and get out
 of the personal computer business and stick to phones and their other
 devices.
 
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Re: [Audyssey] mac is a joke (was windows xp,

[Justin Jones]

Yes, that is fair: the Mac being fairly beginner proof, I mean to say.

Happily, Windows these days is not so easily broken, i.e. back in the
bad old days of Win 95/98, where it did not take much to crash the
computer. XP introduced a much needed level of stability, and for the
time, it was a decent operating system. Then Windows 7 came along
(after Vista, I am aware) and I have had to actually try for a blue
screen of death. Any crashes that occur on my Windows 7 machine have
little to do with Windows and more to do with JAWS.

On 7/24/16, Devin Prater  wrote:
> The mac in my view, is better for beginning computer users. Now that I'm
> slightly more advanced, I want more powerful applications, and way better
> braille support. But that is not possible with the Mac. Besides that, there
> are very little games for the Mac, and vmware fusion costs, whereas Linux
> has vmware player. So yeah, I'm slowly ascending beyond the Mac, and
> possibly even iOS, although I may jailbreak sooner than buy a whole other
> Android device.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 24, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Travis Siegel  wrote:
>>
>> I don't understand why you would say this.  I've been using a mac for more
>> than 10 years, and it's done everything I needed it to do for that entire
>> time.  I've had very few issues with my macs, other than normal wear and
>> tear on the machines.  In fact, I've had much better luck with my macs
>> (hardware wise) than I ever did on my windows machines.  I've never had to
>> reinstall my os due to any sort of issues, and since programs exist for
>> doing anything and everything I want to do, I've had no issues getting
>> things done for that entire time, so I'd hardly consider that a joke.
>> I've also been using linux systems off and on for more than 20 years, and
>> they've done everything I've asked of them as well.  My windows machines
>> don't have half the track record my macs and linux boxes have, so if you
>> want to point fingers, point them back at your favorite os.  I'm not
>> trying to start an os flame ware, there's already been more than enough of
>> that, I'm only making it known that in all the time I've been using
>> computers (starting in 1986), out of all the operating systems I've used,
>> windows is the one I've had the most trouble with as a whole.  My macs,
>> linux, freebsd, dos, and even a couple minicomputers haven't offered
>> nearly as many problems as my windows boxes have.  Admittedly, a large
>> majority of this is due to the fact that windows is the most popular os,
>> and thus, is targeted by a large portion of the virus writers, and other
>> schemes to make problems for general computer users, but I've fell foul of
>> very few of those types of issues, my issues have been more os/equipment
>> related than anything else, but calling a mac a joke is a bit like calling
>> an atm machine problematic.  People use them every day, and they work just
>> fine.  Some people choose not to use them, and that's fine, but just
>> because they don't meet your needs doesn't make them bad.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, 23 Jul 2016, Justin Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> The Mac is an expensive joke. I wish Apple would wise up and get out
>>> of the personal computer business and stick to phones and their other
>>> devices.
>>>
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Re: [Audyssey] mac is a joke (was windows xp,

[Devin Prater]

The mac in my view, is better for beginning computer users. Now that I'm 
slightly more advanced, I want more powerful applications, and way better 
braille support. But that is not possible with the Mac. Besides that, there are 
very little games for the Mac, and vmware fusion costs, whereas Linux has 
vmware player. So yeah, I'm slowly ascending beyond the Mac, and possibly even 
iOS, although I may jailbreak sooner than buy a whole other Android device.   

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Travis Siegel  wrote:
> 
> I don't understand why you would say this.  I've been using a mac for more 
> than 10 years, and it's done everything I needed it to do for that entire 
> time.  I've had very few issues with my macs, other than normal wear and tear 
> on the machines.  In fact, I've had much better luck with my macs (hardware 
> wise) than I ever did on my windows machines.  I've never had to reinstall my 
> os due to any sort of issues, and since programs exist for doing anything and 
> everything I want to do, I've had no issues getting things done for that 
> entire time, so I'd hardly consider that a joke.
> I've also been using linux systems off and on for more than 20 years, and 
> they've done everything I've asked of them as well.  My windows machines 
> don't have half the track record my macs and linux boxes have, so if you want 
> to point fingers, point them back at your favorite os.  I'm not trying to 
> start an os flame ware, there's already been more than enough of that, I'm 
> only making it known that in all the time I've been using computers (starting 
> in 1986), out of all the operating systems I've used, windows is the one I've 
> had the most trouble with as a whole.  My macs, linux, freebsd, dos, and even 
> a couple minicomputers haven't offered nearly as many problems as my windows 
> boxes have.  Admittedly, a large majority of this is due to the fact that 
> windows is the most popular os, and thus, is targeted by a large portion of 
> the virus writers, and other schemes to make problems for general computer 
> users, but I've fell foul of very few of those types of issues, my issues 
> have been mo
 re os/equipment related than anything else, but calling a mac a joke is a bit 
like calling an atm machine problematic.  People use them every day, and they 
work just fine.  Some people choose not to use them, and that's fine, but just 
because they don't meet your needs doesn't make them bad.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, 23 Jul 2016, Justin Jones wrote:
>> 
>> The Mac is an expensive joke. I wish Apple would wise up and get out
>> of the personal computer business and stick to phones and their other
>> devices.
>> 
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Re: [Audyssey] mac is a joke (was windows xp,

[Justin Jones]

I have no issues with Linux; in fact, I have contemplated playing
around with that particular operating system.

Macs are jokes precisely because I can build a superior machine for
less than half the cost (including the operating system). More
importantly, the Mac has poor application support without running
Bootcamp or creating a virtual machine.

On 7/24/16, Travis Siegel  wrote:
> I don't understand why you would say this.  I've been using a mac for more
> than 10 years, and it's done everything I needed it to do for that entire
> time.  I've had very few issues with my macs, other than normal wear and
> tear on the machines.  In fact, I've had much better luck with my macs
> (hardware wise) than I ever did on my windows machines.  I've never had to
> reinstall my os due to any sort of issues, and since programs exist for
> doing anything and everything I want to do, I've had no issues getting
> things done for that entire time, so I'd
> hardly consider that a joke.
> I've also been using linux systems off and on for more than 20 years, and
> they've done everything I've asked of them as well.  My windows machines
> don't have half the track record my macs and linux boxes have, so if you
> want to point fingers, point them back at your favorite os.  I'm not
> trying to start an os flame ware, there's already been more than enough of
> that, I'm only making it known that in all the time I've been using
> computers (starting in 1986), out of all the operating systems I've used,
> windows is the one I've had the most trouble with as a whole.  My macs,
> linux, freebsd, dos, and even a couple minicomputers haven't offered
> nearly as many problems as my windows boxes have.  Admittedly, a large
> majority of this is due to the fact that windows is the most popular os,
> and thus, is targeted by a large portion of the virus writers, and other
> schemes to make problems for general computer users, but I've fell foul of
> very few of those types of issues, my issues have been more os/equipment
> related than anything else, but calling a mac a joke is a bit like calling
> an atm machine problematic.  People use them every day, and they work just
> fine.  Some people choose not to use them, and that's fine, but just
> because they don't meet your needs doesn't make them bad.
>
>
>
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2016, Justin Jones wrote:
>
>> The Mac is an expensive joke. I wish Apple would wise up and get out
>> of the personal computer business and stick to phones and their other
>> devices.
>>
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[Audyssey] mac is a joke (was windows xp,

[Travis Siegel]

I don't understand why you would say this.  I've been using a mac for more 
than 10 years, and it's done everything I needed it to do for that entire 
time.  I've had very few issues with my macs, other than normal wear and 
tear on the machines.  In fact, I've had much better luck with my macs 
(hardware wise) than I ever did on my windows machines.  I've never had to 
reinstall my os due to any sort of issues, and since programs exist for 
doing anything and everything I want to do, I've had no issues getting 
things done for that entire time, so I'd 
hardly consider that a joke.
I've also been using linux systems off and on for more than 20 years, and 
they've done everything I've asked of them as well.  My windows machines 
don't have half the track record my macs and linux boxes have, so if you 
want to point fingers, point them back at your favorite os.  I'm not 
trying to start an os flame ware, there's already been more than enough of 
that, I'm only making it known that in all the time I've been using 
computers (starting in 1986), out of all the operating systems I've used, 
windows is the one I've had the most trouble with as a whole.  My macs, 
linux, freebsd, dos, and even a couple minicomputers haven't offered 
nearly as many problems as my windows boxes have.  Admittedly, a large 
majority of this is due to the fact that windows is the most popular os, 
and thus, is targeted by a large portion of the virus writers, and other 
schemes to make problems for general computer users, but I've fell foul of 
very few of those types of issues, my issues have been more os/equipment 
related than anything else, but calling a mac a joke is a bit like calling 
an atm machine problematic.  People use them every day, and they work just 
fine.  Some people choose not to use them, and that's fine, but just 
because they don't meet your needs doesn't make them bad.




On Sat, 23 Jul 2016, Justin Jones wrote:


The Mac is an expensive joke. I wish Apple would wise up and get out
of the personal computer business and stick to phones and their other
devices.



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