Re: [Audyssey] Thoughts on Vista and 7: was Re: challenge for developers, post xp windows
Will just say, funny enough, a while ago had a relatively decent spec dell laptop that was initially running windows XP on, but when then upgraded it to windows7, it firstly booted up in around half the time, but, also actually responded better under windows7 - hardware compatibility? Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Ken The PionEar kenwdow...@me.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:57 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Thoughts on Vista and 7: was Re: challenge for developers, post xp windows I definitely don't have look and feel issues when it comes to Windows 7, since I like trying new things. It's purely an issue of response time for me. If I hit a key and it takes a brand spankin' new computer a quarter of a second for Jaws to respond, there is an issue. That same computer just a few months down the road is even worse. I've worked with both my wife's laptop and my son's desktop, both using windows 7, and I'm not impressed. I used to have Vista on my desktop, and other than a lot of buggy behavior it wasn't too bad, but it wasn't like XP. I didn't feel it was stable or responsive. One of its best features was its accessible games. I enjoyed playing Purble Place with my son. Also, I can admit to some ignorance of how to optimize it for speed. I'm sure all the fancy animations and graphics were on, for example. I can't say one way or another as regards to Windows 8 except that i'm itching to try it just to see what it's like. Check out my games at www.ThePionEar.net and my music, and that of my band, at www.ThePionEar.net/BlindLabyrinth.html . If you want to reach me, you can call 419-744-0517, friend me on Facebook, (KenWDowney,) or write me at kenwdow...@me.com . Crazy Ken - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Hi Dallas, Agreed. It is sort of amusing because as you said Microsoft has stuck with the XP look and feel for so long that users forgot what it was like to go from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95 or from Windows 98 to XP. Both offered major changes in the user interface and I don't remember people screaming quite as loudly or as fanatically as they are over Windows 7 and Windows8. However, what I think they need is a point of comparison. As you pointed out is that other operating systems haven't stood still or been quite as static as Windows has been for the last ten or so years. The Linux graphical desktop environments like Gnome have constantly been updating and evolving little by little until we have something completely different from what we had ten ore more years ago. Today Gnome 3.8 is as different from Gnome 2.8 as Windows 8 is from XP, but that change was gradual rather than over night. There was some grumbling on the Orca list when Gnome whent from Gnome 2.32 to 3.0, but those were mainly over access issues rather than the UI changes. This might sound a bit harsh,but I think Windows users are a bit spoiled by the fact Microsoft chose to keep their user interface as long as they have. Apple, Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, and pretty much anybody who is anyone has been changing their user interfaces from version to version and Microsoft just chose to hit their customers all at once rather than ease them into it the way other software companies have. On 5/1/13, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com wrote: It's kind of ironic. Apple in a lot of ways, invented what we now know as windows. Microsoft actually use the ideas that apple used originally. Mind you, Apple didn't invent it either really. They technically got it from Xerox. LOL. So blame Xerox. The interesting thing about this, is that people are complaining about how different windows 8 is to Windows 7 and earlier. Because Microsoft didn't change very much in Windows for so long, So the change now has come as somewhat of a shock to some people. Especially those that have been using windows for some time. Of course, Apple has been changing continually, over a long period of time, making small changes here and there, so as not to make it such a jarring experience. Microsoft has made the mistake, of waiting too long before making a change to windows in a major way. Whereas Apple has done it slowly over about 10 years. It's kind of amusing, to hear people talking about 32-bit and 64-bit Windows, and what software can run on one and what can't run on the other. Because, quite simply, Apple made the choice to go permanently 64-bit. Because of this, they don't tend to have this kind of problem. About the only thing that doesn't run now, Would be older apps designed for the old processes. So Apple have in fact made the jump to 64-bit completely, whereas windows is still
Re: [Audyssey] Thoughts on Vista and 7: was Re: challenge for developers, post xp windows
its 8 I have issues with. all those tiles. its hard to replate to when you are blind. At 06:20 PM 5/2/2013, you wrote: Will just say, funny enough, a while ago had a relatively decent spec dell laptop that was initially running windows XP on, but when then upgraded it to windows7, it firstly booted up in around half the time, but, also actually responded better under windows7 - hardware compatibility? Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Ken The PionEar kenwdow...@me.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:57 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Thoughts on Vista and 7: was Re: challenge for developers, post xp windows I definitely don't have look and feel issues when it comes to Windows 7, since I like trying new things. It's purely an issue of response time for me. If I hit a key and it takes a brand spankin' new computer a quarter of a second for Jaws to respond, there is an issue. That same computer just a few months down the road is even worse. I've worked with both my wife's laptop and my son's desktop, both using windows 7, and I'm not impressed. I used to have Vista on my desktop, and other than a lot of buggy behavior it wasn't too bad, but it wasn't like XP. I didn't feel it was stable or responsive. One of its best features was its accessible games. I enjoyed playing Purble Place with my son. Also, I can admit to some ignorance of how to optimize it for speed. I'm sure all the fancy animations and graphics were on, for example. I can't say one way or another as regards to Windows 8 except that i'm itching to try it just to see what it's like. Check out my games at www.ThePionEar.net and my music, and that of my band, at www.ThePionEar.net/BlindLabyrinth.html . If you want to reach me, you can call 419-744-0517, friend me on Facebook, (KenWDowney,) or write me at kenwdow...@me.com . Crazy Ken - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Hi Dallas, Agreed. It is sort of amusing because as you said Microsoft has stuck with the XP look and feel for so long that users forgot what it was like to go from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95 or from Windows 98 to XP. Both offered major changes in the user interface and I don't remember people screaming quite as loudly or as fanatically as they are over Windows 7 and Windows8. However, what I think they need is a point of comparison. As you pointed out is that other operating systems haven't stood still or been quite as static as Windows has been for the last ten or so years. The Linux graphical desktop environments like Gnome have constantly been updating and evolving little by little until we have something completely different from what we had ten ore more years ago. Today Gnome 3.8 is as different from Gnome 2.8 as Windows 8 is from XP, but that change was gradual rather than over night. There was some grumbling on the Orca list when Gnome whent from Gnome 2.32 to 3.0, but those were mainly over access issues rather than the UI changes. This might sound a bit harsh,but I think Windows users are a bit spoiled by the fact Microsoft chose to keep their user interface as long as they have. Apple, Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, and pretty much anybody who is anyone has been changing their user interfaces from version to version and Microsoft just chose to hit their customers all at once rather than ease them into it the way other software companies have. On 5/1/13, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com wrote: It's kind of ironic. Apple in a lot of ways, invented what we now know as windows. Microsoft actually use the ideas that apple used originally. Mind you, Apple didn't invent it either really. They technically got it from Xerox. LOL. So blame Xerox. The interesting thing about this, is that people are complaining about how different windows 8 is to Windows 7 and earlier. Because Microsoft didn't change very much in Windows for so long, So the change now has come as somewhat of a shock to some people. Especially those that have been using windows for some time. Of course, Apple has been changing continually, over a long period of time, making small changes here and there, so as not to make it such a jarring experience. Microsoft has made the mistake, of waiting too long before making a change to windows in a major way. Whereas Apple has done it slowly over about 10 years. It's kind of amusing, to hear people talking about 32-bit and 64-bit Windows, and what software can run on one and what can't run on the other. Because, quite simply, Apple made the choice to go permanently 64-bit. Because of this, they don't tend to have this kind of problem. About the only thing that doesn't run now, Would be older apps designed for the
Re: [Audyssey] Thoughts on Vista and 7: was Re: challenge for developers, post xp windows
The simple answer to that, is don't use the tiles if you don't want to. I rarely use them myself. You don't have to use them, unless you want to arrange them for access to various windows 8 apps. Regards: Dallas On 02/05/2013, at 18:54, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: its 8 I have issues with. all those tiles. its hard to replate to when you are blind. At 06:20 PM 5/2/2013, you wrote: Will just say, funny enough, a while ago had a relatively decent spec dell laptop that was initially running windows XP on, but when then upgraded it to windows7, it firstly booted up in around half the time, but, also actually responded better under windows7 - hardware compatibility? Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Ken The PionEar kenwdow...@me.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:57 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Thoughts on Vista and 7: was Re: challenge for developers, post xp windows I definitely don't have look and feel issues when it comes to Windows 7, since I like trying new things. It's purely an issue of response time for me. If I hit a key and it takes a brand spankin' new computer a quarter of a second for Jaws to respond, there is an issue. That same computer just a few months down the road is even worse. I've worked with both my wife's laptop and my son's desktop, both using windows 7, and I'm not impressed. I used to have Vista on my desktop, and other than a lot of buggy behavior it wasn't too bad, but it wasn't like XP. I didn't feel it was stable or responsive. One of its best features was its accessible games. I enjoyed playing Purble Place with my son. Also, I can admit to some ignorance of how to optimize it for speed. I'm sure all the fancy animations and graphics were on, for example. I can't say one way or another as regards to Windows 8 except that i'm itching to try it just to see what it's like. Check out my games at www.ThePionEar.net and my music, and that of my band, at www.ThePionEar.net/BlindLabyrinth.html . If you want to reach me, you can call 419-744-0517, friend me on Facebook, (KenWDowney,) or write me at kenwdow...@me.com . Crazy Ken - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Hi Dallas, Agreed. It is sort of amusing because as you said Microsoft has stuck with the XP look and feel for so long that users forgot what it was like to go from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95 or from Windows 98 to XP. Both offered major changes in the user interface and I don't remember people screaming quite as loudly or as fanatically as they are over Windows 7 and Windows8. However, what I think they need is a point of comparison. As you pointed out is that other operating systems haven't stood still or been quite as static as Windows has been for the last ten or so years. The Linux graphical desktop environments like Gnome have constantly been updating and evolving little by little until we have something completely different from what we had ten ore more years ago. Today Gnome 3.8 is as different from Gnome 2.8 as Windows 8 is from XP, but that change was gradual rather than over night. There was some grumbling on the Orca list when Gnome whent from Gnome 2.32 to 3.0, but those were mainly over access issues rather than the UI changes. This might sound a bit harsh,but I think Windows users are a bit spoiled by the fact Microsoft chose to keep their user interface as long as they have. Apple, Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, and pretty much anybody who is anyone has been changing their user interfaces from version to version and Microsoft just chose to hit their customers all at once rather than ease them into it the way other software companies have. On 5/1/13, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com wrote: It's kind of ironic. Apple in a lot of ways, invented what we now know as windows. Microsoft actually use the ideas that apple used originally. Mind you, Apple didn't invent it either really. They technically got it from Xerox. LOL. So blame Xerox. The interesting thing about this, is that people are complaining about how different windows 8 is to Windows 7 and earlier. Because Microsoft didn't change very much in Windows for so long, So the change now has come as somewhat of a shock to some people. Especially those that have been using windows for some time. Of course, Apple has been changing continually, over a long period of time, making small changes here and there, so as not to make it such a jarring experience. Microsoft has made the mistake, of waiting too long before making a change to windows in a major way. Whereas Apple has done it slowly
Re: [Audyssey] Thoughts on Vista and 7: was Re: challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi Ken and all, One thing you need to keep in mind here is Windows 7 and Windows 8 were designed for pretty new hardware. If you don't have a fast enough processor, memory, etc it will run poorly on the machine in question. As I mentioned to someone else off list one factor often overlooked by blind users is because Windows 7/Windows 8 have a lot of 3d graphics, animations, 3d cursors, etc you need a pretty good graphics card with a graphics processor and onboard memory to offset the new graphics technology. If you don't have it all that graphics processing gets taken over by your CPU and memory which results in a degradation in performance. Something else that makes a huge difference is a duel core verses a single core CPU. If you have a duel core it will perform a lot smoother and a lot better than a single core CPU. So I think all the complaints you are making about Windows 7 can probably be blamed on a lack of decent hardware. Yes, I know that Microsoft says a 1 GHZ processor, 1 GB of ram, and a minimum of 16-bit colors and 800 by 600 graphics card, but keep in mind that is literally the absolute bare minimum. If you want to hope to make it run worth anything you need to double that just to get started. Truth be told you really need a modern PC with a duel core processor, at least 2 to 4 GB of ram, decent graphics card, etc to have Windows 7/Windows 8 run at peak performance. Cheers! On 5/2/13, Ken The PionEar kenwdow...@me.com wrote: I definitely don't have look and feel issues when it comes to Windows 7, since I like trying new things. It's purely an issue of response time for me. If I hit a key and it takes a brand spankin' new computer a quarter of a second for Jaws to respond, there is an issue. That same computer just a few months down the road is even worse. I've worked with both my wife's laptop and my son's desktop, both using windows 7, and I'm not impressed. I used to have Vista on my desktop, and other than a lot of buggy behavior it wasn't too bad, but it wasn't like XP. I didn't feel it was stable or responsive. One of its best features was its accessible games. I enjoyed playing Purble Place with my son. Also, I can admit to some ignorance of how to optimize it for speed. I'm sure all the fancy animations and graphics were on, for example. I can't say one way or another as regards to Windows 8 except that i'm itching to try it just to see what it's like. Check out my games at www.ThePionEar.net and my music, and that of my band, at www.ThePionEar.net/BlindLabyrinth.html . If you want to reach me, you can call 419-744-0517, friend me on Facebook, (KenWDowney,) or write me at kenwdow...@me.com . Crazy Ken --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Thoughts on Vista and 7: was Re: challenge for developers, post xp windows
This is less true, of Windows 8. Windows 8 got rid of a lot of the arrow theme stuff, and 3-D graphics animations, at least in terms of the desktop environment. Obviously if you're using apps with these kinds of things in them, it still remains true. But one reason why windows 8 is so much faster, is that they in fact got rid of the 3-D graphic animation icons and Various things. This has an interesting side effect, as well. And that is, it tends to make windows 8, a little more accessible, in terms of the desktop environment. Not so much graphic animation stuff, in the way. Regards: Dallas On 02/05/2013, at 21:13, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ken and all, One thing you need to keep in mind here is Windows 7 and Windows 8 were designed for pretty new hardware. If you don't have a fast enough processor, memory, etc it will run poorly on the machine in question. As I mentioned to someone else off list one factor often overlooked by blind users is because Windows 7/Windows 8 have a lot of 3d graphics, animations, 3d cursors, etc you need a pretty good graphics card with a graphics processor and onboard memory to offset the new graphics technology. If you don't have it all that graphics processing gets taken over by your CPU and memory which results in a degradation in performance. Something else that makes a huge difference is a duel core verses a single core CPU. If you have a duel core it will perform a lot smoother and a lot better than a single core CPU. So I think all the complaints you are making about Windows 7 can probably be blamed on a lack of decent hardware. Yes, I know that Microsoft says a 1 GHZ processor, 1 GB of ram, and a minimum of 16-bit colors and 800 by 600 graphics card, but keep in mind that is literally the absolute bare minimum. If you want to hope to make it run worth anything you need to double that just to get started. Truth be told you really need a modern PC with a duel core processor, at least 2 to 4 GB of ram, decent graphics card, etc to have Windows 7/Windows 8 run at peak performance. Cheers! On 5/2/13, Ken The PionEar kenwdow...@me.com wrote: I definitely don't have look and feel issues when it comes to Windows 7, since I like trying new things. It's purely an issue of response time for me. If I hit a key and it takes a brand spankin' new computer a quarter of a second for Jaws to respond, there is an issue. That same computer just a few months down the road is even worse. I've worked with both my wife's laptop and my son's desktop, both using windows 7, and I'm not impressed. I used to have Vista on my desktop, and other than a lot of buggy behavior it wasn't too bad, but it wasn't like XP. I didn't feel it was stable or responsive. One of its best features was its accessible games. I enjoyed playing Purble Place with my son. Also, I can admit to some ignorance of how to optimize it for speed. I'm sure all the fancy animations and graphics were on, for example. I can't say one way or another as regards to Windows 8 except that i'm itching to try it just to see what it's like. Check out my games at www.ThePionEar.net and my music, and that of my band, at www.ThePionEar.net/BlindLabyrinth.html . If you want to reach me, you can call 419-744-0517, friend me on Facebook, (KenWDowney,) or write me at kenwdow...@me.com . Crazy Ken --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dallas, Thanks for the info. I didn't know Microsoft had scrapped a lot of the Windows Arrow junk in Windows 8 but given the way it runs I'm not surprised. Windows 8 is way faster than Windows 7. I took a Toshiba laptop that was built in 2011 with a 1.5 GHZ duel core AMD processor in it, 3 GB of ram, put Windows 8 on it and the increased performance was amazing. It boots twice as fast as Windows 7, and programs launch much much faster too. I've noticed at looking at my over all system usage its using less memory as well. So I'm pretty happy with Windows 8. On 5/2/13, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com wrote: This is less true, of Windows 8. Windows 8 got rid of a lot of the arrow theme stuff, and 3-D graphics animations, at least in terms of the desktop environment. Obviously if you're using apps with these kinds of things in them, it still remains true. But one reason why windows 8 is so much faster, is that they in fact got rid of the 3-D graphic animation icons and Various things. This has an interesting side effect, as well. And that is, it tends to make windows 8, a little more accessible, in terms of the desktop environment. Not so much graphic animation stuff, in the way. Regards: Dallas --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Yeah, that, and many other reasons, is why I switch to windows 8 on a permanent basis, even when it was only a developer's version, and not the full RTM Version. Even on my laptop, which had 4 GB of RAM, and a 2.4 GHz dual core gprocessor, Windows 8 ran a whole lot faster than Windows 7. Almost uncomprehensibly faster. LOL. Regards: Dallas On 03/05/2013, at 0:48, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dallas, Thanks for the info. I didn't know Microsoft had scrapped a lot of the Windows Arrow junk in Windows 8 but given the way it runs I'm not surprised. Windows 8 is way faster than Windows 7. I took a Toshiba laptop that was built in 2011 with a 1.5 GHZ duel core AMD processor in it, 3 GB of ram, put Windows 8 on it and the increased performance was amazing. It boots twice as fast as Windows 7, and programs launch much much faster too. I've noticed at looking at my over all system usage its using less memory as well. So I'm pretty happy with Windows 8. On 5/2/13, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com wrote: This is less true, of Windows 8. Windows 8 got rid of a lot of the arrow theme stuff, and 3-D graphics animations, at least in terms of the desktop environment. Obviously if you're using apps with these kinds of things in them, it still remains true. But one reason why windows 8 is so much faster, is that they in fact got rid of the 3-D graphic animation icons and Various things. This has an interesting side effect, as well. And that is, it tends to make windows 8, a little more accessible, in terms of the desktop environment. Not so much graphic animation stuff, in the way. Regards: Dallas --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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That's one of the problem for the blind or visually impaired community. That's why upgrading isn't done very often. To use the new OS, you need to upgrade the machine. That takes cash. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Thoughts on Vista and 7: was Re: challenge for developers, post xp windows Hi Ken and all, One thing you need to keep in mind here is Windows 7 and Windows 8 were designed for pretty new hardware. If you don't have a fast enough processor, memory, etc it will run poorly on the machine in question. As I mentioned to someone else off list one factor often overlooked by blind users is because Windows 7/Windows 8 have a lot of 3d graphics, animations, 3d cursors, etc you need a pretty good graphics card with a graphics processor and onboard memory to offset the new graphics technology. If you don't have it all that graphics processing gets taken over by your CPU and memory which results in a degradation in performance. Something else that makes a huge difference is a duel core verses a single core CPU. If you have a duel core it will perform a lot smoother and a lot better than a single core CPU. So I think all the complaints you are making about Windows 7 can probably be blamed on a lack of decent hardware. Yes, I know that Microsoft says a 1 GHZ processor, 1 GB of ram, and a minimum of 16-bit colors and 800 by 600 graphics card, but keep in mind that is literally the absolute bare minimum. If you want to hope to make it run worth anything you need to double that just to get started. Truth be told you really need a modern PC with a duel core processor, at least 2 to 4 GB of ram, decent graphics card, etc to have Windows 7/Windows 8 run at peak performance. Cheers! On 5/2/13, Ken The PionEar kenwdow...@me.com wrote: I definitely don't have look and feel issues when it comes to Windows 7, since I like trying new things. It's purely an issue of response time for me. If I hit a key and it takes a brand spankin' new computer a quarter of a second for Jaws to respond, there is an issue. That same computer just a few months down the road is even worse. I've worked with both my wife's laptop and my son's desktop, both using windows 7, and I'm not impressed. I used to have Vista on my desktop, and other than a lot of buggy behavior it wasn't too bad, but it wasn't like XP. I didn't feel it was stable or responsive. One of its best features was its accessible games. I enjoyed playing Purble Place with my son. Also, I can admit to some ignorance of how to optimize it for speed. I'm sure all the fancy animations and graphics were on, for example. I can't say one way or another as regards to Windows 8 except that i'm itching to try it just to see what it's like. Check out my games at www.ThePionEar.net and my music, and that of my band, at www.ThePionEar.net/BlindLabyrinth.html . If you want to reach me, you can call 419-744-0517, friend me on Facebook, (KenWDowney,) or write me at kenwdow...@me.com . Crazy Ken --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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yeah and mostly we don't have it. saying that prices have dropped 1000 will get a new laptop 600 a desktop though you need to buy the os for that though. and anything else. And if you require something more powerfull than nvda for apps that need it well. I have an old ancient coppy of office xp. its mine. its crap and its old but its code is still valid and unless I need something more that is what I will have for ever more. At 04:48 AM 5/3/2013, you wrote: That's one of the problem for the blind or visually impaired community. That's why upgrading isn't done very often. To use the new OS, you need to upgrade the machine. That takes cash. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Thoughts on Vista and 7: was Re: challenge for developers, post xp windows Hi Ken and all, One thing you need to keep in mind here is Windows 7 and Windows 8 were designed for pretty new hardware. If you don't have a fast enough processor, memory, etc it will run poorly on the machine in question. As I mentioned to someone else off list one factor often overlooked by blind users is because Windows 7/Windows 8 have a lot of 3d graphics, animations, 3d cursors, etc you need a pretty good graphics card with a graphics processor and onboard memory to offset the new graphics technology. If you don't have it all that graphics processing gets taken over by your CPU and memory which results in a degradation in performance. Something else that makes a huge difference is a duel core verses a single core CPU. If you have a duel core it will perform a lot smoother and a lot better than a single core CPU. So I think all the complaints you are making about Windows 7 can probably be blamed on a lack of decent hardware. Yes, I know that Microsoft says a 1 GHZ processor, 1 GB of ram, and a minimum of 16-bit colors and 800 by 600 graphics card, but keep in mind that is literally the absolute bare minimum. If you want to hope to make it run worth anything you need to double that just to get started. Truth be told you really need a modern PC with a duel core processor, at least 2 to 4 GB of ram, decent graphics card, etc to have Windows 7/Windows 8 run at peak performance. Cheers! On 5/2/13, Ken The PionEar kenwdow...@me.com wrote: I definitely don't have look and feel issues when it comes to Windows 7, since I like trying new things. It's purely an issue of response time for me. If I hit a key and it takes a brand spankin' new computer a quarter of a second for Jaws to respond, there is an issue. That same computer just a few months down the road is even worse. I've worked with both my wife's laptop and my son's desktop, both using windows 7, and I'm not impressed. I used to have Vista on my desktop, and other than a lot of buggy behavior it wasn't too bad, but it wasn't like XP. I didn't feel it was stable or responsive. One of its best features was its accessible games. I enjoyed playing Purble Place with my son. Also, I can admit to some ignorance of how to optimize it for speed. I'm sure all the fancy animations and graphics were on, for example. I can't say one way or another as regards to Windows 8 except that i'm itching to try it just to see what it's like. Check out my games at www.ThePionEar.net and my music, and that of my band, at www.ThePionEar.net/BlindLabyrinth.html . If you want to reach me, you can call 419-744-0517, friend me on Facebook, (KenWDowney,) or write me at kenwdow...@me.com . Crazy Ken --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If
