Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech

2014-10-28 Thread shaun everiss

I agree dark.
some of that has been done with search but its not good say with 
multipul items say I want shades of doom it will find the first one 
it sees which is usually 1.2 but not 2.0.
 Or if I ant smuglers games to play it may not bring up all 
the  searches I want and sometimes it takes a while to come up.
Also on the odd ocations in windows I have had the index corrupt and 
have to rebuild it.
Also is the point that if you index an external device like a drive 
if something changes it has to reindex everything again.


At 08:59 a.m. 27/10/2014, you wrote:

Hi Tom.

I do think keyboards will hang on as I said, though for many blind 
and vi computer users if it were possible to access functions 
without having to scrabble around with a screen reader, or poke 
around a touch screen for icons that would be very useful, indeed it 
would help with a lot of user interface problems sinse you'd no 
longer need to worry about where is so and so in this new os or similar.


I can already say to siri open the ap store or phone my brother 
and indeed I usualy use Siri this way to phone people sinse it's 
easier than running through my big list of contats.


One interesting  thought however, is that if dictation does go to 
it's ultimate conclusion to the point that you can access anything 
via dictation, there will need to be a backup. What do you do at 
work, or at night when you don't want to wake someone up?  While 
there will probably still be a touch screen, likely if people are 
used to speaking to their computers this probably will be a less 
efficient interface for accessing everything, sinse if people have 
been talking to their machines how will they know under which set of 
sub menus say control center settings is, so people will need a 
way of conveying information to the computer in a wway that is like 
speech but in situations where speech is not possible.


Bring back the C prompt! :D.

Whether people will be using keyboards or some varient of an on 
screen keyboard I don't know, but if computers get sophisticated 
enough so that speech becomes the medium of interaction and people 
are no longer having to use a language of learnt symbols and nested 
information, well what is like speech but not speech,  writing! :D.


And things go full circle :d.

Of course I'm not sure on this. I suspect that sinse most sighted 
people still respond to images over writing the gui will still be 
around in a usable form, even if the gui is more limited than the 
speech access, but still it'd be a nice thought and rather ironic.


Beware the grue!

Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech

2014-10-28 Thread shaun everiss
well you would need a keyboard I think we will always have a keyboard 
but it will have its place.


At 07:21 a.m. 27/10/2014, you wrote:
and if the dictation gets your spelling wrong? editing may be a bit 
of a pain on a touch only device.
And what if you want to write something down in a busy public place 
with lots of noise? sort of difficult using dictation only due to 
heavy background noise.


On 10/26/2014 2:01 PM, Phil Vlasak wrote:

Hi Thomas,
Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera.
Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their 
laptop or tablet do the typing.
Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture 
identification.

Phil


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Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech

2014-10-28 Thread shaun everiss
I agree dentin, keyboards will have their place just as offline 
storage,desktops etc will have their place it may not be for 
everything but it will still exist.


At 07:55 a.m. 27/10/2014, you wrote:

Keyboards will be around for a long time.  There's a lot of skills,
like programming and gaming, which really just can't use dictation
effectively.

Dennis Towne

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http://www.alteraeon.com


On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 and if the dictation gets your spelling wrong? editing may be a bit of a
 pain on a touch only device.
 And what if you want to write something down in a busy public place with
 lots of noise? sort of difficult using dictation only due to heavy
 background noise.


 On 10/26/2014 2:01 PM, Phil Vlasak wrote:

 Hi Thomas,
 Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera.
 Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their laptop
 or tablet do the typing.
 Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture
 identification.
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Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech

2014-10-28 Thread shaun everiss
I agree with you phill there will be a keyboard or the ability to use 
one but a lot of things are like that the x box kinect system for 
example I must say if it ever got to gaming imagine you have to train 
for say an hour or something and imagine you get on your cycle, you 
could run a race or tourniment and potentually get cash win, crash, 
and a lot of other things.
or play sports with full sound, my cousin already uses some of this 
tech at his gym, training his muscles and entertaining himself, 
posting videos to the cloud, and online scores.

Sertainly its growing phill/
At 07:01 a.m. 27/10/2014, you wrote:

Hi Thomas,
Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera.
Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their 
laptop or tablet do the typing.
Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture 
identification.

Phil


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Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech

2014-10-26 Thread Josh k
and if the dictation gets your spelling wrong? editing may be a bit of a 
pain on a touch only device.
And what if you want to write something down in a busy public place with 
lots of noise? sort of difficult using dictation only due to heavy 
background noise.


On 10/26/2014 2:01 PM, Phil Vlasak wrote:

Hi Thomas,
Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera.
Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their 
laptop or tablet do the typing.
Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture 
identification.

Phil


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Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech

2014-10-26 Thread Dennis Towne
Keyboards will be around for a long time.  There's a lot of skills,
like programming and gaming, which really just can't use dictation
effectively.

Dennis Towne

Alter Aeon MUD
http://www.alteraeon.com


On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 and if the dictation gets your spelling wrong? editing may be a bit of a
 pain on a touch only device.
 And what if you want to write something down in a busy public place with
 lots of noise? sort of difficult using dictation only due to heavy
 background noise.


 On 10/26/2014 2:01 PM, Phil Vlasak wrote:

 Hi Thomas,
 Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera.
 Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their laptop
 or tablet do the typing.
 Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture
 identification.
 Phil


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Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech

2014-10-26 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Phil,

I suppose that is always possible. I'm seeing more and more voice
dictation all the time, and although I can't really use it myself I do
see the mainstream using it as a replacement for keyboard input in a
few years. I hadn't thought about that issue before, but as voice
dictation improves people are naturally going to use that over
physical input devices like keyboards and touchscreens.

Cheers!


On 10/26/14, Phil Vlasak phi...@bex.net wrote:
 Hi Thomas,
 Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera.
 Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their laptop or

 tablet do the typing.
  Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture
 identification.
 Phil


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Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech

2014-10-26 Thread dark

I think Josh has a point.

I tend to use dictation on my Iphone sinse my bluetooth keyboard is a bit 
large to carry and dictation is easier than the onscreen keyboard, however 
it tends to be less than efficient and often I have to go back with the on 
screen keyboard and edit.


Then there is the fact that with my typing speed I actually can type as 
quickly as I would speak, indeed a few years ago when I utterly lost my 
voice I was able to communicate just by typing and having supernova set to 
speak every word that I typed.


That is why I do not write e-mails, or play If or muds on my Iphone, sinse 
for efficiency a keyboard is best.


Beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech

2014-10-26 Thread dark

Hi Dennis.

Don't forget abbreviations and aliases. Even if it were possible for me to 
play alter by saying get stone from bag, summon demon familiar red with 
stone it's still quicker for me to type sdfred :D.


I suspect this is where keyboards will hang on, for short hand and 
quickness.


Beware the gRue!

Dark.
Take them to the refirbished chamber that was once bad!
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Keyboards will be around for a long time.  There's a lot of skills,
like programming and gaming, which really just can't use dictation
effectively.

Dennis Towne

Alter Aeon MUD
http://www.alteraeon.com


On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote:

and if the dictation gets your spelling wrong? editing may be a bit of a
pain on a touch only device.
And what if you want to write something down in a busy public place with
lots of noise? sort of difficult using dictation only due to heavy
background noise.


On 10/26/2014 2:01 PM, Phil Vlasak wrote:


Hi Thomas,
Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera.
Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their laptop
or tablet do the typing.
Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture
identification.
Phil


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Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech

2014-10-26 Thread dark

Hi Tom.

I do think keyboards will hang on as I said, though for many blind and vi 
computer users if it were possible to access functions without having to 
scrabble around with a screen reader, or poke around a touch screen for 
icons that would be very useful, indeed it would help with a lot of user 
interface problems sinse you'd no longer need to worry about where is so 
and so in this new os or similar.


I can already say to siri open the ap store or phone my brother and 
indeed I usualy use Siri this way to phone people sinse it's easier than 
running through my big list of contats.


One interesting  thought however, is that if dictation does go to it's 
ultimate conclusion to the point that you can access anything via dictation, 
there will need to be a backup. What do you do at work, or at night when you 
don't want to wake someone up?  While there will probably still be a touch 
screen, likely if people are used to speaking to their computers this 
probably will be a less efficient interface for accessing everything, sinse 
if people have been talking to their machines how will they know under which 
set of sub menus say control center settings is, so people will need a way 
of conveying information to the computer in a wway that is like speech but 
in situations where speech is not possible.


Bring back the C prompt! :D.

Whether people will be using keyboards or some varient of an on screen 
keyboard I don't know, but if computers get sophisticated enough so that 
speech becomes the medium of interaction and people are no longer having to 
use a language of learnt symbols and nested information, well what is like 
speech but not speech,  writing! :D.


And things go full circle :d.

Of course I'm not sure on this. I suspect that sinse most sighted people 
still respond to images over writing the gui will still be around in a 
usable form, even if the gui is more limited than the speech access, but 
still it'd be a nice thought and rather ironic.


Beware the grue!

Dark. 



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Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech

2014-10-26 Thread Josh k

try doing dictation in a noisy environment. it won't work well at all.

On 10/26/2014 3:04 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:

Hi Phil,

I suppose that is always possible. I'm seeing more and more voice
dictation all the time, and although I can't really use it myself I do
see the mainstream using it as a replacement for keyboard input in a
few years. I hadn't thought about that issue before, but as voice
dictation improves people are naturally going to use that over
physical input devices like keyboards and touchscreens.

Cheers!


On 10/26/14, Phil Vlasak phi...@bex.net wrote:

Hi Thomas,
Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera.
Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their laptop or

tablet do the typing.
  Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture
identification.
Phil


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Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech

2014-10-26 Thread Stephen

and what if you get a cold and lose your voice?
At 06:59 AM 10/27/2014, you wrote:

Hi Tom.

I do think keyboards will hang on as I said, though for many blind 
and vi computer users if it were possible to access functions 
without having to scrabble around with a screen reader, or poke 
around a touch screen for icons that would be very useful, indeed it 
would help with a lot of user interface problems sinse you'd no 
longer need to worry about where is so and so in this new os or similar.


I can already say to siri open the ap store or phone my brother 
and indeed I usualy use Siri this way to phone people sinse it's 
easier than running through my big list of contats.


One interesting  thought however, is that if dictation does go to 
it's ultimate conclusion to the point that you can access anything 
via dictation, there will need to be a backup. What do you do at 
work, or at night when you don't want to wake someone up?  While 
there will probably still be a touch screen, likely if people are 
used to speaking to their computers this probably will be a less 
efficient interface for accessing everything, sinse if people have 
been talking to their machines how will they know under which set of 
sub menus say control center settings is, so people will need a 
way of conveying information to the computer in a wway that is like 
speech but in situations where speech is not possible.


Bring back the C prompt! :D.

Whether people will be using keyboards or some varient of an on 
screen keyboard I don't know, but if computers get sophisticated 
enough so that speech becomes the medium of interaction and people 
are no longer having to use a language of learnt symbols and nested 
information, well what is like speech but not speech,  writing! :D.


And things go full circle :d.

Of course I'm not sure on this. I suspect that sinse most sighted 
people still respond to images over writing the gui will still be 
around in a usable form, even if the gui is more limited than the 
speech access, but still it'd be a nice thought and rather ironic.


Beware the grue!

Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech

2014-10-26 Thread dark
As I said steven that is why I think keyboard will still be around even if a 
full spoken interface were developed, although I do think a spoken interface 
would be a very good thing for Vi access in general.


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Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech

2014-10-26 Thread tim

Like that happens a lot?

At 05:11 PM 10/26/2014, you wrote:

and what if you get a cold and lose your voice?
At 06:59 AM 10/27/2014, you wrote:

Hi Tom.

I do think keyboards will hang on as I said, though for many blind 
and vi computer users if it were possible to access functions 
without having to scrabble around with a screen reader, or poke 
around a touch screen for icons that would be very useful, indeed 
it would help with a lot of user interface problems sinse you'd no 
longer need to worry about where is so and so in this new os or similar.


I can already say to siri open the ap store or phone my brother 
and indeed I usualy use Siri this way to phone people sinse it's 
easier than running through my big list of contats.


One interesting  thought however, is that if dictation does go to 
it's ultimate conclusion to the point that you can access anything 
via dictation, there will need to be a backup. What do you do at 
work, or at night when you don't want to wake someone up?  While 
there will probably still be a touch screen, likely if people are 
used to speaking to their computers this probably will be a less 
efficient interface for accessing everything, sinse if people have 
been talking to their machines how will they know under which set 
of sub menus say control center settings is, so people will need 
a way of conveying information to the computer in a wway that is 
like speech but in situations where speech is not possible.


Bring back the C prompt! :D.

Whether people will be using keyboards or some varient of an on 
screen keyboard I don't know, but if computers get sophisticated 
enough so that speech becomes the medium of interaction and people 
are no longer having to use a language of learnt symbols and nested 
information, well what is like speech but not speech,  writing! :D.


And things go full circle :d.

Of course I'm not sure on this. I suspect that sinse most sighted 
people still respond to images over writing the gui will still be 
around in a usable form, even if the gui is more limited than the 
speech access, but still it'd be a nice thought and rather ironic.


Beware the grue!

Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech

2014-10-26 Thread tim
There will always be keyboards around even if there only virtual. 
Just like cameras, you may have one on your phone, but they still 
make dedicated cameras for those jobs that need them.


At 02:01 PM 10/26/2014, you wrote:

Hi Thomas,
Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera.
Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their 
laptop or tablet do the typing.
Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture 
identification.

Phil


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Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech

2014-10-26 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Tim,

I agree. I'm pretty sure keyboards will still be around and available
in some form. Either a virtual one on the device or a physical one
that can be connected to the device, but I hardly think they'll
totally go to voice dictation.

for one thing as others have said dictation isn't very good in crowded
areas such as stores, offices, or a noisy living room so people will
need another reliable form of entry for their devices that isn't
effected by background noise.

Another reason could be various speech impediments. It isn't something
that applies to everyone, of course, but there are millions of people
who have troubles speaking in some form or another. Some people are
born def and are unable to speak or their speech is a little unclear.
There are people who stutter which screws up voice dictation. There
probably are others that aren't coming to mind right now and for those
people there will need to be an alternative input method besides
speech.

What I in vision happening is voice dictation methods will improve,
become a common or standard way for people to input data into their
device, but blue tooth keyboards etc will still be available for those
who want or need it. The technology just won't phase out of existence
unless there is truly an equivalent input method, and right now I
don't see one that works as well as a keyboard for all situations.

Cheers!


On 10/26/14, tim z200...@gmail.com wrote:
 There will always be keyboards around even if there only virtual.
 Just like cameras, you may have one on your phone, but they still
 make dedicated cameras for those jobs that need them.


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