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Dear Moderator I accidentally stumbled upon this news item.Does it ring a warning signal to us... Regards Azhagi January 04, 2006 21:58 IST Police stumbled upon an online gay club in Uttar Pradesh capital Lucknow when it caught four youth indulging in unnatural sexual acts at a picnic spot. The police arrested the four men on Tuesday night. Upon interrogation, the four -- Nihal Ahmed, an asistant accountant in the State Public Services Commission, Pankaj, a college teacher and Ashutosh and Pritam, both working in an ad agency -- revealed they were members of a gay club. The quartet confessed they interacted with 'willing members' using a website which was password protected. These members met and indulged in sexual acts at secluded spots. Those arrested claimed that the members of the club were spread across Delhi, Jhansi, Chennai and as far away as Singapore. The accused also provided police with names and mobile numbers of 18 other members. UNI
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I fully support your views, Abhay, except that I have not read the original email to which you seem to have replied. You talk perfect sense when you say that patience is needed and good writings will help a lot. I feel PIL's will certainly play a supportive role as they get media attention, and, of late, favourable writings even in editorials of TOI etc. Plus they may help accelerate the repeal of S.377 which in turn may stop a lot of harrassment and fear of coming out. So they are important. Your comments about the family were not fully understood because of some grammer difference but that's minor. Abhay --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, abhay kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi There, You have touched very sensitive topic. Let me add my views. Understanding that Gays are very limited population, there is very little information available for people to understand us. So they depend on third party resource like friends, family or other media. The fact that Media sector perceives us to be feminine(Bobby Darling enuchs) and have very soft heart which is not the case (like crying in KJo movies). We can be as normal as they are and hate KJo movies. In college my friends used to point out gays who were watching us playing on grounds. Thats where comes bad image for gays in the mind of teenagers. One more thing as we are active sexually during teens some gays tend to make mistakes as other teens do which gets highlighted. Regarding family i think i have to write very little. Sex is what we must with our wives and rest nothing. Just shut your mouth. According to me, we can be only helped by good writings - in columns, blogs, books, articles not in english but in local languages without uttering the word sex. Agitations, PIL's, movies and other means wont help us. Patience is key for this game. I might be wrong but my perception about india society is that people who write good things are perceived as more civilised, again i might be wrong. The best way I think is to write on wikipedia where no one knows who u are. I am always welcome on suggestions based on thoughts and proper reasoning; please dont fight with me. Thanks, Abhay. gay_bombay moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr.Gay India Posted on January 27th, 2008 by sanjukta in Law, Sex Mr. Gay contest 2008 results are out. India is not the winner. 33 year old Carlos Fabian Melia from Argentina is. However for the Indian gay community and other gender benders, Indian contestant, 26 year old Mumbai based model Zoltan Parag is no less than a winner. Zoltan may not have won the contest but he sure did make a lot of us proud. I admire Zolan's guts to come out with his sexuality and to be the first Indian to participate any such contest given that he might well be booked under the criminal law of the country. Many at the contest thought Zoltan stood a good chance merely because of his courage alone. I wanted to know more about Zoltan so googled for him. Used various combinations, but couldn't find any significant information except a few repetitive lines. Found this blog post where the author has spoken about Poornima Advani's homophobia and found a few news article. Being a new media evangelist, I expected this invisible section of our society to express themselves freely through blogs. But I couldn't found many quality blogs to be honest. One reason could be that they are yet to explore blogs as a medium. The other of course is the social stigma behind being homosexual. Indian homosexuals are an invisible bunch of people. Coming out with homo-sexuality is threatened with criminal prosecution and social ostracism. Section 377 of the IPC criminalize homosexuality. Not in that term but in effect. It reads, 'Whoever has carnal intercourse against the order of nature with any man, woman or animal, shall be punished with imprisonment for life'. The words against the order of nature can be interpreted in a number of ways but is mostly interpreted as anal sex. It also penalizes sexual acts like oral sex, regardless of whether it is heterosexual or homosexual; even penile-masturbation of one person by another is considered criminal (basically they wanted to penalize everything that is not the missionary / Victorian penile vaginal penetration meant for procreation) A non legal person often wonders, 'how would the law (police, court) ever find out what two people are doing behind the closed doors?' The thing about criminal law is that, a prosecution can be initiated on a third party complaint. Which means even if the person reporting the crime has got nothing to do with the victim or the oppressor the police is bound to take an action. And the third party complaint might well be by the police itself. In some of the most horrendous incidents of police brutalities, queers
g_b Two Magic Words That Improve Any Relationship
Just as what Mother Teresa said, The hunger for love is much more difficult to remove than the hunger for bread. It is the same with appreciation. Most people yearn for words of appreciation or recognition and yet most do not lavish these words generously. What is stopping you from speaking words of appreciation or recognition? Could it be, it takes time and most people consider writing thank you notes a chore as suggested in the article? You may be screaming out aloud there, I know this! To know and not to do, is yet to know. It doesn't matter whether you are at home or on the job, you have to learn to get along with all types of people. Would you like to experience joy in these relationships instead of frustration? Read the article at: http://www.symphonyoflove.net/blog/?p=106 http://www.symphonyoflove.net/blog/?p=106
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g_b Boat Party - Query
As everyone knows, I'm as gay as it gets. I want to know if I can get my straight woman friend along for the party. I don't see any reason why I can't. In fact, I think I'm going to. Kris -- http://engayginglife.blogspot.com Remember that if men were not meant to be sucked, their bodies wouldn't have come with a nozzle! - A Gay
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Dear Azhagi, It does ring a lot of different types of warnings to us. But this is about what is now historically called the 2nd Lucknow Incident. It has extensively been discussed and covered on this list and well, to put it bluntly, its old news. However when you have the time, do please check back on the archives of this list of around that period for much greater and further coverage of the matter. Best regards Aditya Bondyopadhyay On 29 Jan 2008 09:34:07 -, azhagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Moderator I accidentally stumbled upon this news item.Does it ring a warning signal to us... Regards Azhagi January 04, 2006 21:58 IST Police stumbled upon an online gay club in Uttar Pradesh capital Lucknow when it caught four youth indulging in unnatural sexual acts at a picnic spot. The police arrested the four men on Tuesday night. Upon interrogation, the four -- Nihal Ahmed, an asistant accountant in the State Public Services Commission, Pankaj, a college teacher and Ashutosh and Pritam, both working in an ad agency -- revealed they were members of a gay club. The quartet confessed they interacted with 'willing members' using a website which was password protected. These members met and indulged in sexual acts at secluded spots. Those arrested claimed that the members of the club were spread across Delhi, Jhansi, Chennai and as far away as Singapore. The accused also provided police with names and mobile numbers of 18 other members. UNI [image: Times Job Search]http://adworks.rediff.com/cgi-bin/AdWorks/click.cgi/www.rediff.com/signature-home.htm/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2030902_2023692/2033978/1?PARTNER=3OAS_QUERY=null -- Aditya Bondyopadhyay
g_b 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Turns 15
'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Turns 15 Monday, Jan. 28, 2008 By MARK THOMPSON/WASHINGTON Joan Derrah, a lesbian who kept her sexual orientation to herself during her Naval career, recalls how the don't ask, don't tell policy led to a rise in interest regarding homosexuality among the ranks. SLDN It was 15 years ago, Tuesday, that President Clinton rolled out the policy that came to be known as Don't Ask, Don't Tell, which relaxed the long-standing bar against gay men and women serving in the U.S. military. While the move was initially hailed as progress for the rights of gays in the military, today many see it as a liability. Her Navy career had been relatively stress-free before Don't Ask, Don't Tell took effect, says Joan Darrah, a retired captain, and a lesbian, who served in various intelligence billets from 1972 to 2002. She kept her sexual orientation secret during her career, but that denial took its toll after Don't Ask, Don't Tell led to increased focus on homosexuality in the ranks. She recalls having to administer a survey on the topic to 250 subordinates in the wake of the new policy. We all sat down taking this survey asking, 'Do you know a gay person, and, if you did, what would you do?' Dannah recalls. I was physically sick after I did it I went into the bathroom and threw up because of the stress of standing in front of the command and saying, 'We're now doing a survey about gays in the military.' The issue exploded during Clinton's first week as President, triggered by those in the Pentagon and on Capitol Hill opposed to his campaign pledge to reverse an executive order barring gays and lesbians from serving. The issue is whether men and women who can and have served with real distinction should be excluded from military service solely on the basis of their status, Clinton said at the time. And I believe they should not. While the phrase don't ask, don't tell wasn't used at that January 29, 1993, press conference, that's what everyone soon began calling the policy. It boiled down to this: the government would no longer ask recruits if they were gay, and so long as military personnel didn't tell anyone of their sexual preference and didn't engage in homosexual acts they were free to serve. But, by the end of 1993, opponents of the change, led by Georgia Democrat Sam Nunn, who chaired the Senate Armed Services Committee, succeeded in writing into law the ban on openly gay men and lesbians in uniform. Barring the pre-enlistment question about homosexuality was the only compromise Congress let Clinton get away with, says Elaine Donnelly, president of the non-profit Center for Military Readiness which supports continuing the ban. The law respects the power of sexuality and the normal human desire for modesty in sexual matters. Writing Don't Ask, Don't Tell into law meant that no new President can eliminate the ban without first convincing a majority of Congress to go along a far higher hurdle than Clinton faced. All the Democratic candidates favor lifting the ban; the G.O.P. candidates support keeping it. I think President Clinton meant well, but when he set out to implement his vision he ran into a buzz saw, says Aubrey Sarvis, an ex-GI and executive director of the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, a nonprofit group dedicating to lifting the ban. I see very few, if any, good things about 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' it means you have to lie or deceive every day. About 12,000 service members have been booted from the military since the law took effect, including dozens of Arabic speakers whose skills are particularly prized by the military since the advent of the war on terror. While the number discharged for their sexuality has fallen from 1,273 in 2001 to 612 in 2006, Pentagon officials insist they are applying the law as fairly as ever. Gay-rights advocates disagree, suggesting the military pressed for personnel amid an unpopular war is willing to ignore sexual orientation when recruiting becomes more difficult. Last May, a CNN poll found that 79 percent of Americans feel that homosexuals should be allowed to serve in the military. But Americans in the military seem less friendly to the idea of junking the ban. A 2006 opinion poll by the independent Military Times newspapers showed that only 30% of those surveyed think openly gay people should serve, while 59% are opposed. I don't think they'll succeed, but I think they'll try, Donnelly says of the Democrats' efforts to repeal the ban. Darrah, the retired Navy officer, says success depends on who moves into the Oval Office a year from now. I believe if we get a Democratic President we'll get rid of the ban, says Darrah, who is backing Hillary Clinton's bid for the White House. The younger generation doesn't care one bit. - Be a better friend, newshound, and
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