g_b Gays are minority in the country: Delhi HC

2008-10-16 Thread lgbtindiagroup
Gays are minority in the country: Delhi HC 
Press Trust of India 
Thursday, October 16, 2008, (New Delhi)
The Delhi High Court has taken a strong exception to the Centre's 
contention that the court would divide the country if it recognises 
homosexuals as a minority group.

A Bench headed by Chief Justice A P Shah said that the government is 
virtually accusing the court of dividing the country, which cannot be 
part of an argument.

These are not arguments but comments on us. You are saying that we 
are dividing the nation by saying that they belong to minority group 
and then you are also saying that we are encouraging such practices, 
the Bench said.

The court's remarks came when Additional Solicitor General P P 
Malhotra contended that if gays were considered as minority in the 
country then many such small groups having peculiar characteristics 
would claim to belong to minority group, which would further divide 
the country.

Is it a false statement to say that people suffering from leprosy or 
any other dreaded diseases do not belong to a minority group? If you 
are not prepared to see it then we cannot help it. Sexual minority 
means a group of people having different sexual preferences. Are we 
dividing the nation by calling them minority, the court observed.

The Bench referred to the affidavit filed by the NACO on behalf of 
health ministry, which admitted that the gay community is a minority 
community being harassed for their different sexual preferences.

Is the recognition of Men Having Sex with Men (MSM) by the Health 
Ministry a reality or fiction? Does such group exist, if yes then why 
cannot they be put in a group on the basis of their characteristics, 
the court said.



g_b Indian Student Hazed, Claims Gay Sexual Assaultr.

2008-10-16 Thread gay_bombay moderator
ndian Student Hazed, Claims Gay Sexual Assault
by Kilian Melloy
 EDGE Contributor
Thursday Oct 16, 2008



A 16-year-old Indian student says that he was urinated on, cut with a blade,
and sexually assaulted at the hands of other male students--as part of a
college hazing.

The teenager, identified only as Sanjay, was had started at GNTC-NTTF
college in Coimbatore, a city in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu, but his
college career went awry when a hazing incident led to more serious
repercussions against him, according to an Oct. 16 article published by Rediff
News http://in.rediff.com/news/2008/oct/16ganesh.htm.

Initially, Sanjay's complaint centered around a group of seven college
seniors taking his clothes and then urinating on him on last Sept. 17. After
Sanjay complained to school authorities, the students were suspended;
following a meeting between the suspended students and Sanjay's parents, at
which the older students offered apologies for their conduct, the suspension
was shortened, the article said, ending on Oct. 6.

But the matter was not yet over; the article said that on Oct. 8, the
students again targeted Sanjay, this time with a blade, resulting in cuts on
the young man's hands, chest, and stomach. Sanjay went into the hospital,
and his father, Srinivasan, went to the police. Four students were named in
the police complaint, and were arrested.

A statement from G. Karthikeyan, the Coimbatore police superintendent,
indicated that the school's warden, principal, and manager had fled; the
NTTF's director, K. Venugopal, contradicted that report, saying that they
had not absconded, despite the superintendent's statement to Rediff News
reporter.

The article said that Sanjay had reported the cutting incident to the
school's warden, who did nothing about it; allegations were made that the
warden was drinking buddies with the students involved in the attack.

But new details about Sanjay's story later emerged, including new
allegations: that eleven students in total, not just the four who were
arrested or the seven who were suspended, had systematically tormented him,
and that sexual assault had been part of what Sanjay had endured.

Venugopal was quoted as saying, The bail petition will be moved on the
October 16 and the hearing will be on October 17.

The school's director defended NTTF, saying, We are a 49-year-old
institution running colleges all over the country.

Added Venugopal, I have dismissed two dozen students over the last few
years for [hazing]. If they had given me a chance, I would have taken stern
action.

They did not even give us 24 hours, but rushed to the police.

Venugopal continued, I cannot comment on the matter now that the police are
investigating.

However, promised Venugopal, We will take strict action against all
offenders.

NTTF has begun an investigation of the allegations. One individual connected
with the investigation was quoted in the article as saying, We heard about
the warden drinking with the students only today.

Added the source, If [this allegation is] found [to be] true, he will be
sacked He cannot drink with students or come drunk into the college.

The Rediff News reporter approached Sanjay in the hospital, where the young
man revealed shocking details that he had previously kept to himself.

Sanjay was quoted as saying, I joined college on June 20 and for three
weeks everything went well. After that the seniors started coming to my
room. After 10:30 p.m. they used to drink liquor with the warden and then
come to me.

Sanjay continued, What initially started with groping led to homosexual
advances.

They started sodomizing me regularly. I did not know what to do, the young
man claimed.

One day they urinated on me. I could not bear it and complained. They had
been molesting me for a month when I complained.

Sanjay recounted, Eleven senior students harassed me. As we had compromised
with seven of them [following the suspension], the police did not take
action against them.

Karthikeyan responded to the new allegations, saying, We have taken strong
action against the four students. Now you are naming seven more.

You cannot make a different complaint every day, Karthikeyan said.

They had reached a compromise with certain students, so we left them out.

Srinivasan responded in turn, saying, We compromised against [hazing] and
that urinating incident. We did not compromise on homosexual behavior.

Added the young man's father, At that time, he did not mention sodomy. He
just said sexual harassment.

He told my nephew Balaji the truth only after he was admitted in hospital.
He did not tell us, he told his cousin.

When we heard about it, we were shocked, Srinivasan continued. This
institution is famous worldwide--its certificates are recognized in
Australia, but they cannot protect their students!

Added the student's father, We came from Kerala to Tamil Nadu because this
course, 'Tool and Dye-making,' is available only here.

According to a hospital 

g_b Gays are a minority in India: Delhi High Court

2008-10-16 Thread Aditya Bondyopadhyay
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080069021

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NDTV.com]Gays
are minority in the country: Delhi HC Press Trust of India
Thursday, October 16, 2008 (New Delhi)   The Delhi High Court has taken
a strong exception to the Centre's contention that the court would divide
the country if it recognises homosexuals as a minority group.

A Bench headed by Chief Justice A P Shah said that the government is
virtually accusing the court of dividing the country, which cannot be part
of an argument.

These are not arguments but comments on us. You are saying that we are
dividing the nation by saying that they belong to minority group and then
you are also saying that we are encouraging such practices, the Bench said.

The court's remarks came when Additional Solicitor General P P Malhotra
contended that if gays were considered as minority in the country then many
such small groups having peculiar characteristics would claim to belong to
minority group, which would further divide the country.

Is it a false statement to say that people suffering from leprosy or any
other dreaded diseases do not belong to a minority group? If you are not
prepared to see it then we cannot help it. Sexual minority means a group of
people having different sexual preferences. Are we dividing the nation by
calling them minority, the court observed.

The Bench referred to the affidavit filed by the NACO on behalf of health
ministry, which admitted that the gay community is a minority community
being harassed for their different sexual preferences.

Is the recognition of Men Having Sex with Men (MSM) by the Health Ministry
a reality or fiction? Does such group exist, if yes then why cannot they be
put in a group on the basis of their characteristics, the court said.
   (c) Copyright NDTV Convergence Limited 2008. All Rights Reserved.


g_b PM skips gay issue, leaves it to Ramadoss, Patil

2008-10-16 Thread naughty confessions
PM skips gay issue, leaves it to Ramadoss, Patil









Fri, Oct 17 02:23 AM
Avoiding
any judgmental call on the conflict over orthodoxy and liberalism,
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Thursday asked health minister A
Ramadoss and home minister Shivraj Patil to sit together and sort out
the issue over legalising homosexuality.''The Prime Minister has
directed the two ministers to sit together and discuss the matter and
sort out differences,'' science and technology minister Kapil Sibal
told reporters after the cabinet meeting.The contentious subject
has developed into a major controversy after health minister Ramadoss,
a qualified doctor himself, sought legalisation of homosexuality
arguing that it can help in better treatment of people suffering from
HIV/AIDs. Ramadoss' latest campaign, however, has encountered strong
opposition from the Union home ministry, which holds the traditional
view that gay sex is immoral. In the same vein, the Indian Penal Code
(IPC) under Section 377 bans sexual relations among people of the same
gender and carries a punishment of upto life imprisonment for such acts.The
matter came up before the Union cabinet in the backdrop of the Delhi
high court pulling up the Centre on Wednesday while hearing a Public
Interest Litigation (PIL) that has challenged the legality of Section
377. While responding to the court's queries, the additional solicitor
general PP Malhotra had cited religious texts to justify the
prohibition of gay sex in the country.Ticking off the government
counsel for relying on religious texts, the court had asked it to come
up with scientific reports instead in justification of the ban.The
court maintained that India would not be the first country to
decriminalise homosexuality in that case that it did. ''Your arguments
should be based on scientific reports. Show us scientific reports which
justify criminalisation of such acts,'' the division bench comprising
chief Justice AP Shah and Justice S Muralidhar had said on Wednesday.The
government, however, faces a paradoxical situation as the National Aids
Control Organisation has already filed an affidavit on behalf of the
Union health ministry which holds that sex among consenting adults
belonging to the same gender should be decriminalised. The dilemma
before the government was further evident when Kapil Sibal told
reporters that it would abide by any court decision on the issue.
''Whatever the court decides, we will agree'' he said. He said the
cabinet deferred a decision on the issue as it was already being argued
before the court.Ramadoss, who successfully led the campaign
against smoking and was instrumental in laying severe restrictions over
smoking in public, had said that he would take up the issue of
legalising homosexuality with the Prime Minister after his ministry was
ticked off by the home ministry in the courts.Claiming support
from ''progressive'' ministers in the Union cabinet, Ramadoss has
proposed abolishing of the penal provision on those found indulging in
gay sex.There has been varying views on the subject, with some
like NHRC chief S Rajendra Babu supporting the decriminalisation of
homosexuality.



  

g_b First Indo-Pak gay love story blooms on internet

2008-10-16 Thread lgbtindiagroup
First Indo-Pak gay love story blooms on internet
Amir Mir
Friday, October 17, 2008  04:00 IST

Hammad, who has designed Pakistan's first gay website,
pakistangays.com, and his lover want to settle abroad as man and spouse

ISLAMABAD: There have been many heart-warming cross-LoC love stories,
but this gay one takes the cake.

Hammad from Pakistan is in love with an Indian man, whose name he
doesn't want to disclose. He met the Indian on the internet.

He confides, I am in love with an Indian man I met over the internet,
but we have not met yet in person. We can't think of marriage in
either of the (conservative) countries.
Hammad, who is studying accounting, plans to get a job abroad where he
can settle down with his partner as man and spouse.

My parents keep insisting that I get married or at least engaged. May
be they have sensed my chill towards girls, but that is the way we are
supposed to be. We are born this way… we can't help it.

Hammad has gone down the gay lane a bit too far, designing Pakistan's
first gay website, pakistangays.com. He runs the site, which had 569
Pakistani members last checked, from internet cafes for obvious reasons.

Of those who have registered, 302 are gays, 241 bisexuals and the
remaining transgender. 

I cannot run it (the site) from home because my parents will find out
and that would destroy me forever, Hammad exaggerates, admitting with
a sense of guilt that homosexuality is illegal and haraam in this country.

I want to leave Pakistan and my lover wants to leave India so that we
can unite and rid ourselves of this unending feeling of guilt.

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, homosexuality is not only
illegal, but a crime punishable by whipping, imprisonment, or even
death. But across classes and social groups, men have sex with men.

In villages throughout the country, young boys are often forcibly
taken by older men. Often, these boys move to the cities and become
prostitutes.

In some areas, homosexuality is sometimes acceptable. In the Northwest
Frontier Province, the ethnic Pashtun men who dominate the region are
known to take young boys as lovers. No one has been executed for
sodomy in Pakistan's recent history.

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g_b Why do men have nipples?

2008-10-16 Thread lgbtindiagroup
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=why-do-men-have-nipples

Andrew M. Simons, a professor of biology at Carleton University in 
Ottawa, Ontario, explains. 

Like all why queries, the question of why men have nipples can be 
addressed on many levels. My four-year-old daughter, always 
suspicious of a trick when asked such obvious questions, 
answered: because they grow them. In search of the trick answer, 
she quickly added that chests would also look pretty funny with just 
hair. 

Evolutionary biologists, whose job it is to explain variety in 
nature, are often expected to provide adaptive explanations for 
such why questions. Some traits may prove—through appropriate tests—
to be best explained as adaptations; others have perfectly good 
evolutionary, but nonadaptive, explanations. This is because 
evolution is a process constrained by many factors including history, 
chance, and the mechanisms of heredity, which also explains why 
particular attributes of organisms are not as they would be had they 
been designed from scratch. Nipples in male mammals illustrate a 
constrained evolutionary result. 

A human baby inherits one copy of every gene from his or her father 
and one copy of every gene from his or her mother. Inherited traits 
of a boy should thus be a combination of traits from both his 
parents. Thus, from a genetic perspective, the question should be 
turned around: How can males and females ever diverge if genes from 
both parents are inherited? We know that consistent differences 
between males and females (so-called sexual dimorphisms) are common--
examples include bird plumage coloration and size dimorphism in 
insects. The only way such differences can evolve is if the same 
trait (color, for example) in males and females has 
become uncoupled at the genetic level. This happens if a trait is 
influenced by different genes in males and females, if it is under 
control of genes located on sex chromosomes, or if gene expression 
has evolved to be dependent on context (whether genes find themselves 
within a male or a female genome). The idea of the shared genetic 
basis of two traits (in this case in males and females) is known as a 
genetic correlation, and it is a quantity routinely measured by 
evolutionary geneticists. The evolutionary default is for males and 
females to share characters through genetic correlations. 

The uncoupling of male and female traits occurs if there is selection 
for it: if the trait is important to the reproductive success of both 
males and females but the best or optimal trait is different for a 
male and a female. We would not expect such an uncoupling if the 
attribute is important in both sexes and the optimal value is 
similar in both sexes, nor would we expect uncoupling to evolve if 
the attribute is important to one sex but unimportant in the other. 
The latter is the case for nipples. Their advantage in females, in 
terms of reproductive success, is clear. But because the 
genetic default is for males and females to share characters, the 
presence of nipples in males is probably best explained as a genetic 
correlation that persists through lack of selection against them, 
rather than selection for them. Interestingly, though, it could be 
argued that the occurrence of problems associated with the male 
nipple, such as carcinoma, constitutes contemporary selection against 
them. In a sense, male nipples are analogous to vestigial structures 
such as the remnants of useless pelvic bones in whales: if they did 
much harm, they would have disappeared. 

In a now-famous paper, Stephen Jay Gould and Richard C. Lewontin 
emphasize that we should not immediately assume that every trait has 
an adaptive explanation. Just as the spandrels of St. Mark's domed 
cathedral in Venice are simply an architectural consequence of the 
meeting of a vaulted ceiling with its supporting pillars, the 
presence of nipples in male mammals is a genetic architectural by-
product of nipples in females. So, why do men have nipples? Because 
females do.