g_b Re: Bombay Dost Sunday High Film screenings: 5 July 2009
yes i would like to join on 5th event reshma --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Nitin Karani nitin.kar...@... wrote: You are cordially invited to * * *Sunday High, 5 July 2009* Film screenings *Finn's Girl* (English, 88 minutes, 2007) Dr. Finn Jeffries plays a new stepmother to her deceased lover's teenage daughter Zelly. Dr Finn's life is going through a rough patch, balancing her love life with the brattishness of Zelly. Her life is under contant police surveillance but now she also needs protection from pro-lifers because she runs the abortion clinic Zelly's mom left her. Will Zelly who likes shoplifting porn go to her 'real dad'? Does Dr Finn manage to save her career and herself? This movie is edgy, touching drama that was bestowed a special award at the LA Outfest in 2007. *Review from Variety magazine:* A first narrative feature for longtime doc collaborators Dominique Cardona and Laurie Colbert, Finn's Girl reps an intelligent juggling of disparate elements including pubescent unrest, single parenting, lesbian widowhood and anti-abortionist violence. While the agenda grows a bit overloaded, solid perfs and polished execution on a low budget help the writing-directing duo largely pull it off. *If These Walls Could Talk - 2* (English, 96 minutes, 2000) *Cast:* Vanessa Redgrave, Ellen Degeneres, Sharon Stone, Chloe Sevigny. *Synopsis/Review from IMDB.com:* In the first of the three mini-movies, Vanessa Redgrave gives a stirring performance (she won an Emmy, a Golden Globe and a Screen Actors's Guild Award, among others) as the survivor of a lesbian couple in 1961. The message of this first movie serves well to remind people of the tragedy that ensued when one's life long partner passed on previous to the 70's. The second movie, set in 1972, depicts an accurate portrayal of what lesbians faced during the rise of the feminist movement where even sisters were divided over who should be allowed to participate and promote the feminist cause. Chloe Sevigny's portrayal of a butch lesbian, comfortable with herself is phenomenal. Ms. Sevigny should be nominated for an Emmy for her fantastic acting. The third and final movie, features a current day lesbian couple who are trying to have a child. Billed as a romantic comedy, this episode has an underlying message amid the laughter and tears which is common to all couples regardless of gender. Ellen Degeneres and Sharon Stone are funny, yet convincing as a couple. Their chemistry radiates throughout and both women deserve accolades for their performances. If These Walls Could Talk 2 is a cinematic achievement and may very well be the first movie of the new Millennium which accurately shows where there is love and truth, gender is nothing but an afterthought.The film won several awards and nominations (including the Emmys). -- . *Time:* 5.00 p.m. to 8.30 p.m. (one 15-minute intermission) *Venue:* The Humsafar Trust's Drop-in Centre, 4th floor, Municipal Transit Building (Vakola Municipal Market Building), Near Raheja Point and Vakola Masjid, Santacruz (East), Mumbai. *Getting there*: It's approximately minimum fare by auto-rickshaw from Santacruz station (East). You could also take routes 311 or 313. The same routes also operate from Kurla (West) station. *Space courtesy:* The Humsafar Trust. *Note:* Programme subject to change without notice. *Please track:* The Bombay Dost Wiki OR the *Bombay Dost Facebook*http://www.facebook.com/BombayDostpage OR follow Bombaydost on *Twitter* http://twitter.com/bombaydost OR subscribe to our *Google SMS Channel* http://labs.google.co.in/smschannels/subscribe/BombayDost -- My blog's at: http://queerindia.blogspot.com You can leave me a voice message from any phone at http://www.jaxtr.com/nitinkarani No call charges apply.
RE: g_b Gay sex among consenting adults legal: Delhi HC
I would like to cöngratulate all on this historic moment and would lìke to propose that 2nd July to be remembered and celebrated for all time to come as #39;GAY DAY#39; THANKS lgbtindiagroup wrote: Gay sex among consenting adults legal: Delhi HC July 02, 2009 11:03 IST In a historic judgment, the Delhi [Images] High Court on Thursday legalised gay sex among consenting adults. The amendment in Section 377 will decriminalise homosexuality, said the Delhi HC. Gay rights activists across India have hailed the judgment. Further details are awaited
Re: g_b A matrimonial site for bisexuals (for M2W, M2M, W2W marriages)
This is a good article on LGBT demographics: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Gay-count-varies-from-2-to-13-of-population/articleshow/4731097.cms Preyas. On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 4:32 PM, asfanasfa...@yahoo.com wrote: Where did you get these statistics from? They seem to be at variance with other studies that have shown that 10% of the male population is homosexual. Would you please disclose your sources? Thanks, Asfan. --- On Thu, 28/5/09, Prashant p...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Prashant p...@yahoo.com Subject: g_b A matrimonial site for bisexuals (for M2W, M2M, W2W marriages)Date: Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 11:44 AM Friends, In any society about 2-3 per cent people take birth as homosexuals and about 7-8 per cent as bisexuals. India, thus, with an estimated population of 1..1 billion people has about 8 crore (80 million) bisexuals. Half of these are men and half women. -- - Preyas For true friendship..
g_b Impact of The Judgement on rest of the country
One of the question has been on my mind and some others i have talked to since and before the judgement has been, that given the judicial system in the country, how does the judgement impact the janta living outside the NCR. Todays' edition of TOI has an article which i an copying below (i so so so wish to go n kiss the editor m journos --- the paper is fully about the judgement and very positive it was just a tad short of having a Pink paper today :-d ) Any views from the legal fraternity on this please? Manoj. === Will Delhi HC order apply across India? Manoj Mitta | TNN New Delhi: Since a high court has a limited territorial jurisdiction, is homosexuality decriminalized only in Delhi or the whole country? Although legal pundits are divided on this, the law laid down by a 2004 SC judgment implies that homosexuals across the country may rest assured that they too are entitled to the benefits of the historic Delhi high court decision on Section 377 IPC. In Kusum Ingots vs Union of India, a threejudge bench of the Supreme Court had ruled: “An order passed on writ petition questioning the constitutionality of a Parliamentary Act, whether interim or final, will have effect throughout the territory of India subject of course to the applicability of the Act.” Thursday’s Delhi high court verdict is also on the constitutionality of an Act of Parliament, which has jurisdiction throughout the country, and the Central government was anyway party to the case. Since the Indian Penal Code 1860 is applicable throughout the country, except Jammu and Kashmir, the final order of the Delhi high court questioning the constitutionality of Section 377 will have effect far beyond the capital, in terms of the 2004 SC judgment. New Email names for you! Get the Email name you#39;ve always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/aa/
g_b The 3,500 odd members of the homosexual community in Pune are celebrating the Delhi High Court's landmark verdict
Legitimately gay and happy By: Kaumudi Gurjar Debarati Palit Date: 2009-07-03 Place:Pune Pune's Homosexuals are planning to hold a grand queer parade on Independence Day The 3,500 odd members of the homosexual community in Pune are celebrating the Delhi High Court's landmark verdict which rules that any sex between consenting adults should be considered legal. So upbeat is the atmosphere among the gay-lesbian and transgender Punekars that they are planning to hold a grand queer parade, the first of its kind in the Pune, and that too on Independence Day. Gay parade Zameer Kamble, a playwright, who's is partying with friends in Mumbai to celebrate the historic ruling, said, We'll be participating in Pune's queer parade which will be organised on August 15. Later, we'll join the gay parade in Mumbai on the following day. Meanwhile, Sameer, a hairdresser from the city, said, Though we are planning a queer parade, there are a lot of issues that will need some ironing out. Speaking about the way he plans to celebrate the ruling, Sameer said, I'll be spending the evening with a group of friends where we'll pay tribute to those who have worked for our cause all these years. For several homosexuals, yesterday's judgment is merely one battle won in their long war against widespread sexual bias. Kapil, a transgendered individual, who's associated with Samapathik Trust, a NGO, said I have been living with my partner for last seven years and people from for the neighborhood used to object to our decision. But now, after the ruling, we can stay together without worrying about anything. While Bindumadhav Khire, president of Samapathik Trust, said, It's commendable that the judges have now understood that denying homosexuals their right to express themselves sexually is in fact a gross violation of human rights. When asked about the resentment of some fundamentalist groups and political parties on the verdict, members of the homosexual community in Pune told these reporters that they are more than willing to continue the fight. Email: mailto:modera...@gaybombay.in modera...@gaybombay.in Web Sites: http://www.gaybombay.in/ www.gaybombay.in http://www.gaybombay.info/ www.gaybombay.info http://www.gayindia.org/ www.gayindia.org E Groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay http://groups.google.com/group/Gaybombay http://groups.google.com/group/Gaybombay GB Internet Radio http://www.gaybombay.in/gbradio Gaybombay breaking news and annoucements http://labs.google.co.in/smschannels/subscribe/Gaybombay http://labs.google.co.in/smschannels/subscribe/Gaybombay Emergency Helpline number 9820565885 Orkut: http://www.orkut.co.in/Main%23Community.aspx?cmm=22091955 http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community.aspx?cmm=22091955 Blogs: http://gaybombay.blogspot.com/ http://gaybombay.blogspot.com http://gaybombay.wordpress.com/ http://gaybombay.wordpress.com Twitter http://twitter.com/gaybombay http://twitter.com/gaybombay Facebook http://www.facebook.com/gaybombay facebook.com/gaybombay
g_b Hinduism does not condemn gay people: UK Hindu Council
javascript:window.print(); Print javascript:window.close() Close Window Indian Express Hinduism does not condemn gay people: UK Hindu Council Agencies Posted online: Friday , Jul 03, 2009 at 1311 hrs London : The Hindu Council UK welcomed the Delhi High Court's historic judgement which decriminalised consensual homo sexual relations and said Hinduism does not condemn gay people. British Hindu homosexual community will welcome the news that their brethren in India are now be able to enjoy the same freedom as they do here, Anil Bhanot, General Secretary Hindu Council UK said. It is indeed good news that people are not discriminated against because of God's laws of nature. Bhanot said the Hindu scripts describe the homosexual condition to be a biological one, and although the scripture gives guidance to parents on how to avoid procreating a homosexual child, it does not condemn the child as unnatural. Hinduism prescribes 16 ceremonies to mark each major stage in one's life span. We would usually observe the birth, name, adolescence, marriage, retirement and death ceremonies but there is a little known ceremony called the insemination ceremony or the Garbhadan Sanskaar, which I am sure nobody observes now-days. Bhanot said, This insemination ceremony talks about homosexuality. The ancient Rishis or prophets advocated that there are two elements, fire (agni for sun) and water (soma for moon) which determine the sex of a child. Of the 16 days from the end of the menstruation cycle, sexual intercourse for the purposes of procreation was forbidden on certain days as during these days the menses may continue. The theory goes that if insemination takes place in the night of an even number from six to 16, a male child will be born whilst on an odd number of fifth, seventh, ninth and 15th night a female child will be born, Bhanot added. The scripture further forbids insemination on the 11th or the 13th night after the end of the menstruation cycle because then it says the child will be homosexual, he said. According to the scripture the sex of a child is determined by whether the fire element is dominant or the water element is dominant. Thus during those even nights the fire element dominates giving a male conception and during those odd nights the water element gives a female conception. However, if the fire element equals the water element then a homosexual conception takes place, Bhanot said. The point here is that the homosexual nature is part of the natural law of God; it should be accepted for what it is, no more and no less. Hindus are generally conservative but it would seem to me that in ancient India they even celebrated sex as an enjoyable part of procreation, where priests were invited for ceremonies in their home to mark the beginning of process. In fact King Dasharath, who fathered Lord Rama around 2100 BC had one of the most lavish insemination ceremonies. Homosexuals are full human beings, who in Hinduism even worship their own deity, the Mother Goddess Bahuchara, for their spiritual link to the Absolute Brahm. Email: mailto:modera...@gaybombay.in modera...@gaybombay.in Web Sites: http://www.gaybombay.in/ www.gaybombay.in http://www.gaybombay.info/ www.gaybombay.info http://www.gayindia.org/ www.gayindia.org E Groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay http://groups.google.com/group/Gaybombay http://groups.google.com/group/Gaybombay GB Internet Radio http://www.gaybombay.in/gbradio Gaybombay breaking news and annoucements http://labs.google.co.in/smschannels/subscribe/Gaybombay http://labs.google.co.in/smschannels/subscribe/Gaybombay Emergency Helpline number 9820565885 Orkut: http://www.orkut.co.in/Main%23Community.aspx?cmm=22091955 http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community.aspx?cmm=22091955 Blogs: http://gaybombay.blogspot.com/ http://gaybombay.blogspot.com http://gaybombay.wordpress.com/ http://gaybombay.wordpress.com Twitter http://twitter.com/gaybombay http://twitter.com/gaybombay Facebook http://www.facebook.com/gaybombay facebook.com/gaybombay attachment: image001.gif
Re: g_b Proud to be an Indian
come on man , no matter whether it is india or america the society never accepted or will never accept us a part of them.we will have to always fight fight fight for our equality.see americans are not that religious like we indians.and in india not only hindus but also other religious people are also going to make it a big issue. you can think it like we have announced a new war.god only will have to help us anyway CONGRATS TO ALL THE PEOPLES OUT THERE AND MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY ON BEHALF OF THE GIANT LEAP BY LENIN --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Dreamy Eyes saqa...@yahoo.co.in wrote: From: Dreamy Eyes saqa...@yahoo.co.in Subject: g_b Proud to be an Indian To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 7:25 AM Indeed the verdict is historic and means a great deal to us. But, at the same time we have to take a closer look at the verdict. The verdict says Section 377 of IPC is in direct violation with Article 21 of Constitution which allows equal rights to all citizens. So, legally LGBT community has a huge standing. But accepted by the law is not the final word. What about the society? With the help of the law we can exist but not live. To live a life we have to be in sync with the society. For that the society has to accept us. The final battle will only be won when society will be accepting us. I am happy about the verdict but also, at the same time, I think that it is just the first stepping stone of success. Still ahead a long way to go. But thanks to all the dedicated people who made this possible and brought smile and relief to thousands. Now. I can really say that I am proud to be an Indian. Looking for local information? Find it on Yahoo! Local
g_b Catholic Christian groups in India set to challenge the 377 Delhi High Court verdict in the Supreme Court.
CNN-IBN http://static.ibnlive.com/pix/common/zero.gif http://ibnlive.in.com/pix/sitepix/07_2009/377-aftermath-gay-313.jpg LEGAL BUT UNWELCOME: Gays and lesbians in India are still not welcome in the religious places in India. New Delhi: They might have won the battle in the court, but gays and lesbians in India are still not welcome in the temples, mosques or churches. The Catholic Christian groups in country are set to challenge the Delhi High Court verdict in the Supreme Court. Reverend Stephen Alathara of the Kerala Catholic Bishop Council says, We have been assured by Government Ministers that homosexuality will not be legalised. We will go to the Supreme Court against the verdict along with other catholic groups. And it's not the just the church. Opposing homosexuality is one issue that has brought all religious leaders together. Hindu Godman Baba Ramdev and Muslim Ulema from the Deoband have already cautioned the Government against legalising homosexuality. We will make sure that the Government will not bring any changes in the law, says a member of the famous Lucknow seminary of Firangi Mahal. As decibels rise, the Government zeal to change the law is diminishing. A high-level meeting of the Home Minister, Health Minister and the Law Minister at the North Bloc failed to reach a consensus on the future course of action. We three ministers met to analyse Section 377 and we have analysed it. Now we will submit a small note on the same to the Prime Minister for appropriate action to be taken, says Law Minister Veerappa Moily. There is no consensus among the ministers and if the debate reaches Parliament, the UPA Government will be at the receiving end from the BJP as well as parties like the RJD and the Samajwadi Party, which are also taken bitterly opposed to gay rights. Email: mailto:modera...@gaybombay.in modera...@gaybombay.in Web Sites: http://www.gaybombay.in/ www.gaybombay.in http://www.gaybombay.info/ www.gaybombay.info http://www.gayindia.org/ www.gayindia.org E Groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay http://groups.google.com/group/Gaybombay http://groups.google.com/group/Gaybombay GB Internet Radio http://www.gaybombay.in/gbradio Gaybombay breaking news and annoucements http://labs.google.co.in/smschannels/subscribe/Gaybombay http://labs.google.co.in/smschannels/subscribe/Gaybombay Emergency Helpline number 9820565885 Orkut: http://www.orkut.co.in/Main%23Community.aspx?cmm=22091955 http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community.aspx?cmm=22091955 Blogs: http://gaybombay.blogspot.com/ http://gaybombay.blogspot.com http://gaybombay.wordpress.com/ http://gaybombay.wordpress.com Twitter http://twitter.com/gaybombay http://twitter.com/gaybombay Facebook http://www.facebook.com/gaybombay facebook.com/gaybombay attachment: image001.gifattachment: image004.jpg
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g_b It's about all of us
Its about all of us Pratap Bhanu Mehta Posted online: Friday , Jul 03, 2009 at 0253 hrs http://www.indianexpress.com/news/its-about-all-of-us/484966/ There come moments in the life of a nation when it has to confront its deepest prejudices and fears in the mirror of its constitutional morality. The Delhi high courts judgment in Naz Foundation vs Union of India, decriminalising private, adult, consensual homosexual acts, does just that. The judgment is a powerful example of judicial craftsmanship. It is, unusually amongst recent judgments that are constitutionally significant, clear and precise. It embodies the right combination of technical rigour in thinking about the law, with a persuasive vision of the deepest values those laws embody. There will be an appropriate time for a detailed legal analysis of the judgment. Many will, doubtless, latch on to the judgment as offending something called our tradition or our values. But to interpret it this way would be a mistake. What the court says is this. Under our constitutional scheme, no person ought to be targeted or discriminated against for simply being who they are. If we give up this value, we give up everything all of us cherish: both our liberty and our right to be treated equally. This judgment is defending our values. Simply put, the judgment says that the state has no presumptive right to regulate private acts between consenting adults. It protects privacy. That is our value. The judgment says that individuals should not feel so stigmatised that they are unable to seek medical help. That is our value. The judgment is first and foremost a defence of liberty, equality, privacy and a presumptive check on state power. It is a feature of these values that they are secure only when they are enjoyed by all. Privacy cannot be genuinely protected if the state is given arbitrary power over some groups; equality cannot be realised if invidious distinctions between citizens persist; rights of liberty cannot be genuine if they apply only to all those who are alike. The essence of toleration is that each one of us can be safe from the fear of stigma, discrimination, persecution, only when all of us are safe; otherwise what we get is a counterfeit toleration. So let it be clear: this judgment is not about a minority, not about valorising a lifestyle, it is about the values that made us who we are as a nation. Neither the detractors of this judgment, nor its defenders for that matter, should forget the fact that it is in the name of a genuine common morality that this decision can be defended. We should not minimise the fact that social change in matters as delicate as sexuality is difficult to negotiate in any society. The judgment is admirably tactful in pointing out simply one fact: the state has not been able to prove that it can demonstrate that serious harms result as a consequence of these privat acts. Claims of such harm are often causally unfounded, based on prejudice and often even less plausible than harms that result from many of the practices we do tolerate. At least on this much there is a consensus amongst the 126 nations who have decriminalised this practice before India. Even for those, otherwise uncomfortable, at least this much should be enough to ground the basic legal claim the court has made. There ought to be at least overlapping consensus on this point. The discourse on toleration this has generated is revealing. There is the usual assortment of religious leaders who are appealing to their traditions. One thing should be clear: a claim can have no standing simply because it is made on the grounds of religion or, as in the case of the VHP, tradition. Without saying so, the court has made this abundantly clear. And it will be interesting if this secular logic is now followed through in all cases pertaining to equality and liberty. The court has fore-grounded personal autonomy as a constitutional value, and potentially set the stage for questioning community practices that impede this value. The second strand of discomfort with the case is more interesting and could potentially be a resource in sustaining the social legitimacy of the judgment. This strand is not so much intolerant, but is simply uncomfortable at having to take a position on the issue. Its mode of tolerance is a kind of benign neglect, Dont ask, dont tell. This may not be a perfect normative position. Nor may it be an option in modern society. What they are resenting is not so much the decriminalisation, as much as the need to discuss and take a stand. They do not want to discriminate or stigmatise; what they would like is, to use an old-fashioned phrase, a certain modesty in sexual matters of any kind. This anxiety is in a more general sense inescapable. Our society will have to find intelligent ways of dealing with it. But it would be a mistake to necessarily brand this anxiety as a form of intolerance. In its own ways, this discourse of modesty
