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g_b Re: [lgbt-india] territorial issues - request
Hey Aditya Thank you for this. This makes things a little clearer now - but there are still people who are quite misinformed about the judgement and its implications of this judgement. Is it possible for you, mayur, alok etc to think about some drive to educate us about the ruling. I am not sure how one should go about it, but i can spam people. Can you mail us a structured - pamphletey kind of document. I would be happy to take print outs and distribute it to whoever i can. Maybe there is something already out there. Can you please point it out for me? Cheers R --- On Sat, 7/4/09, Aditya Bondyopadhyay adit.b...@gmail.com wrote: From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay adit.b...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [lgbt-india] territorial issues To: lgbt-in...@yahoogroups.com Cc: gaybom...@yahoogroups.com, gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, khush-l...@yahoogroups.com, movenp...@yahoogroups.com, gayde...@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 9:58 AM Hi, taking a short cut and cut-pasting what I wrote to Raj Aiyar on the same question he sent me on facebook: Raj's Question: Hey Aditya, here are my searing questions du jour: does the Delhi High Court verdict only cover Delhi? Do other states have to await their own high court/Indian Supreme Court decision on reprealing IPC 377, citing the Delhi precedent? Or a parliamentary act decriminalizing same sex love nationwide? Hi Raj, it is now settled law, because we follow the common law system, that a ruling by a high court is valid all over India till: 1] It is overruled by a conflicting judgement of another high court, 2] It is overruled by a higher bench of the same or any other High Court, 3] It is stayed by the Supreme Court, 4] It is overturned by the Supreme Court The parliament has only been given a suggestion because parliament is immune from the court's jurisdiction. It can take up the suggestion, or it can reject the suggestion. However there is nothing stopping the parliament to legislate on the issue, and do note, that legislation can be to uphold the judgement, or to negate the effect of the judgement (Happened before in the Shah Banoo Case). If it is the latter, i.e. if the legislation negates the judgement, then it becomes open for us to go to the court agauin and reopen the issue of constitutionality of the new legislation. Hope that answers the question...Best, Aditya B On 04/07/2009, Vikram D vg...@yahoo. co.uk wrote: This question about the 377 verdict only being applicable in Delhi keeps coming up. I really am not very impressed by it - its the sort of point that's being made by people who feel the need to make a point to show how clever they are. Its certainly not the spirit in which the judgment was fought, has been written or is being received by the media. Still, since its being raised, here's my attempt at a response. And not being a lawyer, I'll leave it to a legal writer to make the legal point: http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/India/ Is-HCs-gay- ruling-applicabl e-to-all- states/articlesh ow/4735189. cms I think the fairest that can be said is that the matter is unclear, and can only conclusively be decided in the Supreme Court - where this matter is going to end up anyway. But I'll just make two points. One, courts in India cite the verdicts of other courts all the time to help them decide the law, and a judgment of this quality from a court as important as the Delhi High Court and a judge as respected as A.P.Shah is bound to be studied and perhaps cited by other judges. Shah in a sense has set down a gauntlet - this is what one important part of the judiciary feels on the issue, and it cannot be lightly dismissed by any court. As a sidelight, here's an example of how this case had an impact in another High Court's jurisdiction even before it was decided. A couple of years back a young British man called Desmond Hope was arrested by the Goa police and charged under 377. He had been doing nothing wrong, just chatting with an Indian guy, but the police had stopped him to see if they could get some money off him by claiming he had broken some small rule (I think it was about the type of bike he had rented) - a common scam in Goa. But when they realised he was gay, they saw the chance of making real money and claimed he was sleeping with the Indian guy who was a minor (which he wasn't). The Indian guy was suitably terrified into helping the police. Desmond was put in jail for three months as lower courts refused to give him bail because 377 was such a seious offence. Desmond's partner had got in touch with us and we helped take the bail application to the Goa High Court where Justice Britto immediately granted it on the grounds that: (a) the Indian guy was not a minor so there was no child sex abuse angle, and (b) 377 was a law that was currently being debated in the Delhi High Court and could be on its way out, so it was not as serious an offence as the lower courts thought.
Re: [GayBangla] Fw: g_b Catholic Christian groups in India set to challenge the 377 Delhi High Court verdict in the Supreme Court.
HI I read that although they oppose, they hold that same gender sex is not a crime and should not be criminalized. It is a conscious thing as per them so on what grounds will they petition against the ruling? Can they, on basis of their understanding that, it is immoral? How much ground can that hold? little prince-Sanjay N Lulla From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay adit.b...@gmail.comTo: gayban...@yahoogroups.comSent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 5:40:31 AMSubject: Re: [GayBangla] Fw: g_b Catholic Christian groups in India set to challenge the 377 Delhi High Court verdict in the Supreme Court. I think they should at least read the judgement once before they decide to go to the Supreme Court...they have no chance in hell there...tough shit... On 04/07/2009, Moderator-of- BAG red_doo...@yahoo. com wrote: -- Forwarded message --From:modera...@gaybombay .inTo:gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com, gay_bombaygroup gay_bombaygroup@ yahoogroups. com, GayAhmedabad gayahmedabad@ googlegroups. com, GayBangalore gaybangalore@ googlegroups. com, GayBombay gaybom...@googlegro ups.com, gay-bombay gay-bom...@yahoogro ups.com, GayBombay Blogger gaybombay.sasha1989 @blogger. com, gaybombaygroup gaybombaygroup@ googlegroups. com, gay-bombaygroup gay-bombaygroup@ yahoogroups. com, Gaybombayonline gaybombayonline@ googlegroups. com, Gaycalcutta gaycalcutta@ googlegroups. com, gaycalcuttagroup@ yahoogroups. com, GayChennai gaychen...@googlegr oups.com, GayChennaiYahooGrou p gaychennaigroup@ yahoogroups. com, GayDelhi gayde...@googlegrou ps.com, GayIndia gayin...@googlegrou ps.com, Gayindiagroup gayindiagroup@ googlegroups. com, GayMumbai gaymum...@yahoogrou ps.com, GayMumbai gaymum...@googlegro ups.com, gb-group gb-gr...@yahoogroup s.com, LGBTIndia lgbtin...@googlegro ups.com, lgbt-india lgbt-in...@yahoogro ups.com, "time84x...@post. wordpress. com" time84x...@post. wordpress. comDate:Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:49:47 +0530Subject:g_b Catholic Christian groups in India set to challenge the 377 Delhi High Court verdict in the Supreme Court. CNN-IBN LEGAL BUT UNWELCOME: Gays and lesbians in India are still not welcome in the religious places in India. New Delhi: They might have won the battle in the court, but gays and lesbians in India are still not welcome in the temples, mosques or churches. The Catholic Christian groups in country are set to challenge the Delhi High Court verdict in the Supreme Court. Reverend Stephen Alathara of the Kerala Catholic Bishop Council says, "We have been assured by Government Ministers that homosexuality will not be legalised. We will go to the Supreme Court against the verdict along with other catholic groups." And it's not the just the church. Opposing homosexuality is one issue that has brought all religious leaders together. Hindu Godman Baba Ramdev and Muslim Ulema from the Deoband have already cautioned the Government against legalising homosexuality. "We will make sure that the Government will not bring any changes in the law," says a member of the famous Lucknow seminary of Firangi Mahal. As decibels rise, the Government zeal to change the law is diminishing. A high-level meeting of the Home Minister, Health Minister and the Law Minister at the North Bloc failed to reach a consensus on the future course of action. "We three ministers met to analyse Section 377 and we have analysed it. Now we will submit a small note on the same to the Prime Minister for appropriate action to be taken," says Law Minister Veerappa Moily. There is no consensus among the ministers and if the debate reaches Parliament, the UPA Government will be at the receiving end from the BJP as well as parties like the RJD and the Samajwadi Party, which are also taken bitterly opposed to gay rights. Email: modera...@gaybombay .in Web Sites: www.gaybombay. in www.gaybombay. info www.gayindia. org E Groups: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/gay_ bombay http://groups. google.com/ group/Gaybombay GB Internet Radio http://www.gaybombay.in/gbradio Gaybombay breaking news and annoucements http://labs. google.co. in/smschannels/ subscribe/ Gaybombay Emergency Helpline number 9820565885 Orkut: http://www.orkut. co.in/Main# Community. aspx?cmm= 22091955 Blogs: http://gaybombay. blogspot. com http://gaybombay. wordpress. com Twitter http://twitter. com/gaybombay Facebook facebook.com/ gaybombay -- Do not print this mail unless really necessary. Save paper, save trees..!!If you loose your way while SCUBA diving, the safest direction to head for is UP..!!!
g_b The article that I wrote for DNA
Hey guys, Just for the record, I was asked to contribute to DNA (Mumbai). I was asked to write about how much further we need to go with regard to attaining human rights. Here's the link http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/comment_now-that-we-are-legal-make-it-illegal-to-harass-us_1271105 And here's the article. *'Now that we are legal, make it illegal to harass us'* Dr Krishna Kumar Venkitachalam Saturday, July 4, 2009 23:30 IST I was at work when, on the live webcast of a news channel, I found out about the Delhi High Court ruling. I couldn't help but scream out, Ye! I'm finally legal, and ended up startling my colleagues. My initial jubilation was shared by many, both within and outside the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) community. I heartily congratulate and thank all those involved in the movement that led to this historic judgment. Who amongst us wouldn't celebrate our becoming not illegal after such a lengthy and arduous struggle? However, as a pragmatic gay activist, I realise that this is the first minor victory in a protracted, uphill battle. The ground-level situation of an open homosexual in India remains socially perilous. From the constant homophobic banter at the workplace -- which in my case was KEM Hospital -- to the threat of getting beaten up in a police lock-up for no reason at all, life is tenuous and stifling. One of the reasons I put my promising career as a surgeon on hold to try my luck as a musician was to enjoy the freedom to be myself. But not everyone has luxuries such as an accepting family and an alternative career to consider, or an enlightened circle of friends. Hence, it is essential that we work towards a state of social equality. We have waited so long for this crumb of approval that we are likely to fall into a state of complacency, thinking that we have made it. But that, sadly, is far from the truth. In fact, the recent ruling will inflame the more radical wings of conservative sentiment and could, in fact, lead to an even more hostile stance against us. Now we need a law criminalising harassment of our community. I was at the receiving end of discrimination during the hunt for an apartment for me and my partner. I even had to ask a woman, a good friend of mine, to pose as my wife. If responsible adult citizens are denied a place to live with their same-sex partners in a city like Mumbai, have we actually progressed as a nation? We shouldn't be grateful for the high court decision decriminalising us -- showing gratitude would be like kissing the torturer for loosening the shackles. We were always legal at every rational and moral level, and for that to have been confirmed by the court was merely stating the obvious. -- http://engayginglife.blogspot.com Remember that if men were not meant to be sucked, their bodies wouldn't have come with a nozzle! - A Gay
Re: g_b Breaking News--Homosexuality Can Be Cured!
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g_b Consentual Sex-Religious Leaders are hypocrites!
A hue and cry from the religious leaders in India denouncing the Judgment of the Delhi High Court making consentual sex between adults in private as non-offensive under Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code. Is there any religion in the world that allows a married woman to have sex with a man who is not her husband, but with the consent of her husband? An immoral and irreligious act indeed ! Can any so called religious leaders in India dare to stand up and chellenge the provisions of Adultery occuring in Section 497 of the Indian Penal Code? Qoting Section 497 of I.P.C. 497. Adultery- Whoever has sexual intercourse with a person who is and whom he knows or has reason to believe to be the wife of another man, without the consent of connivance of that man, such sexual intercourse not amounting to the offence of rape, is guilty of the offence of adultery, and shall be punished with imprisonment of either term which may extend to five years, or with fine, or with both. In such case the wife shall not be punishable as an abettor. Is this not consentual sex between adults permitted under the law? Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket.yahoo.com
g_b Gays, eunuchs have 135 cases pending
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/photo.cms?photoid=1799437 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-4741814,prtpage-1.cms http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/photo.cms?msid=3360035 Gays, eunuchs have 135 cases pending 6 Jul 2009, 0123 hrs IST, Viju B , TNN MUMBAI: The city police have registered 135 criminal cases pertaining to unnatural sex under Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code over the last ten years. Significantly, all these cases are still pending at various police stations. TOI spoke to a cross-section of homosexuals and eunuchs who said a majority of these cases was filed to harass the LGBT community. Recently, two eunuchs who were travelling in a second class compartment were thrown out by cops though they had valid tickets. They were then put behind bars and asked to strip,'' alleged Abhijit Aher, who has been associated with Humsafar Trust, an NGO that works for the welfare of LGBTs. Aher said there were several instances where eunuchs were put behind bars when all they were doing was begging or having commercial sex. Members of this community resort to begging and commercial sex as nobody in the society is willing to offer them a decent livelihood,'' he added. Members of the city's gay community say sometimes masseurs offer consensual sex and then try to extort money from them by threatening to file cases against them. In many cases, the homosexual persons pay the exorbitant amount as they fear they may have to appear in court if a case is filed against him under Section 377 of the IPC,'' Aher said. Section 377 of the IPC says that any person who has voluntary carnal intercourse against the order of nature with any man, woman or animal, shall be punished with imprisonment for life, or with imprisonment that may extend up to ten years, and will also be liable to a fine. This section has been misused by the police and it is high time the law is amended,'' said IPS officer-turned-lawyer Y P Singh. Agrees RTI activist Chetan Kothari, who has filed a query on this issue. The fact that a large number of cases are still pending shows that the police are not interested,'' he said. Gay activists said though they welcomed the Delhi high court order, they were not sure if it would have an immediate impact on the cases filed against members of their community. Email: mailto:modera...@gaybombay.in modera...@gaybombay.in Web Sites: http://www.gaybombay.in/ www.gaybombay.in http://www.gaybombay.info/ www.gaybombay.info http://www.gayindia.org/ www.gayindia.org E Groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay http://groups.google.com/group/Gaybombay http://groups.google.com/group/Gaybombay GB Internet Radio http://www.gaybombay.in/gbradio Gaybombay breaking news and annoucements http://labs.google.co.in/smschannels/subscribe/Gaybombay http://labs.google.co.in/smschannels/subscribe/Gaybombay Emergency Helpline number 9820565885 Orkut: http://www.orkut.co.in/Main%23Community.aspx?cmm=22091955 http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community.aspx?cmm=22091955 Blogs: http://gaybombay.blogspot.com/ http://gaybombay.blogspot.com http://gaybombay.wordpress.com/ http://gaybombay.wordpress.com Twitter http://twitter.com/gaybombay http://twitter.com/gaybombay Facebook http://www.facebook.com/gaybombay facebook.com/gaybombay attachment: image001.gifattachment: image002.gif
g_b A 'Common Front' for The Marginalized in India
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ washingtonpost.com A 'Common Front' for The Marginalized in India Gay Activist Works to Build Broad-Based Political Party By Emily Wax Washington Post Foreign Service Monday, July 6, 2009 BANGALORE, India http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/countries/india.html?nav=el -- Popping out of an auto rickshaw, Manohar Elavarthi unloaded a backpack stuffed with protest posters. Soon he would be rushing to a street demonstration, one that would bring together low-caste Dalit activists, Gandhians, cross-dressers and members of domestic workers unions. Elavarthi aspires to be the first openly gay man elected to a major political office in India, like Harvey Milk in the United States. Elavarthi is credited with being the first gay figure in India to build a mainstream political coalition across a wide spectrum of historically marginalized groups. Our dream for Indian politics is to build a common front of lesbians, untouchables, eunuchs and low-paid workers -- people who really need a voice in this country, said Elavarthi, who has received death threats for his views, largely from right-wing religious groups and police. India -- the new India -- is really changing. We need to build a party around social justice for minorities. It would be a sign that India is a true secular democracy. India, a nation of 1.1 billion people, is in the midst of an unprecedented debate over homosexuality, part of a wave of social change led by the younger generation in this traditional society. Modern India's youths are more economically mobile and independent than any generation before. Across the country, there is growing political pressure from a diverse coalition of college and law students, activists, artists and even mainstream politicians to overturn laws banning homosexuality. In a groundbreaking ruling issued Thursday, the Delhi High Court decriminalized homosexuality. The court decision overturning an 1860 British-era statute applies only to New Delhi, the capital. But activists expect it to influence courts across the country. On Thursday, celebrations were held in the streets of major cities. From last night I haven't been able to sleep. While I sat in court, there were butterflies in my stomach. I just prayed to God, said Pamela Mitra, 28, a transvestite who wore a green-and-white salwar-kameez, the traditional tunic-and-pants ensemble, in New Delhi. Over the years, my community has faced sexual harassment and blackmail from police. These atrocities are everyday affairs for us. We are humans. Today has affirmed this notion. I feel like crying, dancing, screaming and smiling all at once. In a major shift, the government recently called a meeting of top officials to talk about the 150-year-old statute, known as Section 377. New Cabinet ministers appointed after the recent elections could bring new thinking on the law, Home Minister P. Chidambaram said last week, the Indian Express newspaper reported. Although some ruling party politicians are inclined to overturn the ban, opposition parties argue that decriminalizing gay sex will lead to aberrant behavior. Those in favor of amending the law argue that it violates human rights enshrined in the constitution. They also say that keeping gays closeted limits awareness about safe sex. HIV/AIDS affects an estimated 2.5 million people in India. In the last weekend of June, hundreds of gay rights supporters danced and marched in the sweaty summer heat of New Delhi and in the southern cities of Chennai and Bangalore. One parent held up a sign that read Proud Mother. Some young Indians chanted Long Live Queeristan. Others sang Gay Ho to the tune of Jai Ho, the megahit from the Oscar-winning movie Slumdog Millionaire. Cross-dressing men were decked out in sparkling saris and nose rings. It was the second year for the pride parades, and more people attended this time around. A fresh crowd of younger gay activists and heterosexual supporters of the cause reportedly organized the event. In Bangalore and outlying rural areas, Elavarthi organized a week-long slate of events in the run-up to the marches, including the country's first gay cricket match, a dialogue with Dalit leaders, a seminar on religion and sexual minorities, and several film screenings and mixers in villages. The gay rights movement in India was once dominated by artists and members of the upper castes. But the movement now seems to be breaking down class divisions and uniting youth culture around human rights concerns. The marches were held just before the Delhi High Court issued its decision. The effort to repeal Section 377 was seen as a test of India's commitment to secular democracy, with some legal experts saying that religious arguments should not trump constitutional rights in a democratic society. For centuries, the transgender community in India enjoyed some social acceptance under the cultural traditions of Hinduism and Islam. Some tribal
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I wouldn't be surprised if he came up with solutions to issues like global warming and climate changes with his asanas...lol.. Amit
