Re: g_b BBC News: Condoms too big for Indian men
Bright side is you wont choke and die of sufocation. Maybe it is natural evolution. Simmi Garewal did claim that Indian men are undersexed! Salil wrote: > > No wrath yet, let's hope someone with self-esteem issues jumps in and > asks you to stop calling him shorty. That would be fun :) Cheers Salil --- On > Wed, 30/12/09, Deep wrote: From: Deep > Subject: g_b BBC News: Condoms too big for > Indian men To: gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Wednesday, 30 December, > 2009, 10:33 PM > > Salil I post these "serious" articles when I get to see them during my > sojourns on the Net. > I am acutely aware that some of these "studies" would rouse people's > wrath on this forum. But that, after all, is the purpose of having this > mailing list. Life would be boring if we all kept harping on the same > old threads and agreeing with each other. I like to provoke discussions > - I guess I shall get brickbats along the way, but that adds to the > excitement. > What do you think? > Deep > http://gaynotes. blogspot. com/ > --- In gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com , Manoj wrote: >> >> righto Salil >>  >> Also considering the fact that China + south east asia + India total > to more than 60% of world population, the world average or > 'international standard' (in length) should be lower and not higher > . simple ganeet :-) >>  >> The difference in girth is the only thing that would really really > matter for this specific case (for any thing more than approx 2 inches > probably). >>  >> does longer = thicker? ... maybe so many times .but not always > as any true blooded connoisseur of penises will tell you  >>  >> :-D >>  >> Manoj. >> >> --- On Wed, 30/12/09, Salil salilmumbai@ ... wrote: >> >> >> From: Salil salilmumbai@ ... >> Subject: Re: g_b BBC News: Condoms too big for Indian men >> To: gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com >> Date: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 12:53 AM >> >> >>  >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Deep, >> >> This is a three year old study - I wonder why you suddenly felt like > posting it to the list. The study was reported widely, I would have read > it in one of the mainstream Indian newspapers rather than the BBC. The > idea of shorter condoms seems to have thereafter disappeared without > impact. In any case, though I would like to believe the ICMR knows what > its doing, I see too many flaws in the study, at least as reported. >> >> "The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises > that were shorter than international standards for condoms." >> >> Comment : By definition, half the population is on each side of any > average. So if condoms are made for the average size, half of all men > should be shorter - and the other half longer ! Since the condom is > meant to accomodate larger than average size penises, it is bound to be > made larger than what would be perfect for the average penis length. > Thus, it follows that much more than half the population would find them > large. In any case, they are to be rolled up at the base, so I don't see > what point is being made. >> >> "about 60% of Indian men have penises which are between three and five > centimetres shorter than international standards used in condom > manufacture" >> >> Comment : Unless there is a comparison with how penises in at least > one other country measure up, this is a meaningless statement. If I > understand correctly, condoms are longer than required by design ! >> >> "The issue is serious because about one in every five times a condom > is used in India it either falls off or tears, an extremely high failure > rate. " >> >> Comment : It is difficult to understand how extra length can make a > condom fall off or tear. I would guess that lack of access to > water-based lubricants and lack of information on proper use of a condom > would be significant contributors to condoms tearing and falling off, > respectively. By definition if a condom is too long and therefore > (correctly) rolled up at the base, it is tighter, not looser ! The > correct measure , when investigating slippage, would be condom > circumference - which the report does not seem to have measured. >> >> "And the country already has the highest number of HIV infections of > any nation" >> >> This statistic was deemed correct when the study was completed in > 2
Re: g_b BBC News: Condoms too big for Indian men
No wrath yet, let's hope someone with self-esteem issues jumps in and asks you to stop calling him shorty. That would be fun :) Cheers Salil --- On Wed, 30/12/09, Deep wrote: From: Deep Subject: g_b BBC News: Condoms too big for Indian men To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 10:33 PM Salil I post these "serious" articles when I get to see them during my sojourns on the Net. I am acutely aware that some of these "studies" would rouse people's wrath on this forum. But that, after all, is the purpose of having this mailing list. Life would be boring if we all kept harping on the same old threads and agreeing with each other. I like to provoke discussions - I guess I shall get brickbats along the way, but that adds to the excitement. What do you think? Deep http://gaynotes. blogspot. com/ --- In gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com, Manoj wrote: > > righto Salil >  > Also considering the fact that China + south east asia + India total to more than 60% of world population, the world average or 'international standard' (in length) should be lower and not higher . simple ganeet :-) >  > The difference in girth is the only thing that would really really matter for this specific case (for any thing more than approx 2 inches probably). >  > does longer = thicker? ... maybe so many times .but not always as any true blooded connoisseur of penises will tell you  >  > :-D >  > Manoj. > > --- On Wed, 30/12/09, Salil salilmumbai@ ... wrote: > > > From: Salil salilmumbai@ ... > Subject: Re: g_b BBC News: Condoms too big for Indian men > To: gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com > Date: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 12:53 AM > > >  > > > > > > > > > Deep, > > This is a three year old study - I wonder why you suddenly felt like posting it to the list. The study was reported widely, I would have read it in one of the mainstream Indian newspapers rather than the BBC. The idea of shorter condoms seems to have thereafter disappeared without impact. In any case, though I would like to believe the ICMR knows what its doing, I see too many flaws in the study, at least as reported. > > "The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms." > > Comment : By definition, half the population is on each side of any average. So if condoms are made for the average size, half of all men should be shorter - and the other half longer ! Since the condom is meant to accomodate larger than average size penises, it is bound to be made larger than what would be perfect for the average penis length. Thus, it follows that much more than half the population would find them large. In any case, they are to be rolled up at the base, so I don't see what point is being made. > > "about 60% of Indian men have penises which are between three and five centimetres shorter than international standards used in condom manufacture" > > Comment : Unless there is a comparison with how penises in at least one other country measure up, this is a meaningless statement. If I understand correctly, condoms are longer than required by design ! > > "The issue is serious because about one in every five times a condom is used in India it either falls off or tears, an extremely high failure rate. " > > Comment : It is difficult to understand how extra length can make a condom fall off or tear. I would guess that lack of access to water-based lubricants and lack of information on proper use of a condom would be significant contributors to condoms tearing and falling off, respectively. By definition if a condom is too long and therefore (correctly) rolled up at the base, it is tighter, not looser ! The correct measure , when investigating slippage, would be condom circumference - which the report does not seem to have measured. > > "And the country already has the highest number of HIV infections of any nation" > > This statistic was deemed correct when the study was completed in 2006, but the current UNAIDS numbers, post the recent correction in the Indian statistics, is ~ 2.5 million infections in India as compared to ~ 5.7 million infections in South Africa. Not that its a contest score, but thought it important to set the record straight on this dated article. > > Cheers > Salil > > --- On Tue, 29/12/09, Deep wrote: > > > From: Deep > Subject: g_b BBC News: Condoms too big for Indian men > To: gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com > Date: Tuesday, 29 December, 2009, 11:15 PM > > >  > > > > Condoms 'too big'
Re: g_b BBC News: Condoms too big for Indian men
righto Salil Also considering the fact that China + south east asia + India total to more than 60% of world population, the world average or 'international standard' (in length) should be lower and not higher . simple ganeet :-) The difference in girth is the only thing that would really really matter for this specific case (for any thing more than approx 2 inches probably). does longer = thicker? ... maybe so many times .but not always as any true blooded connoisseur of penises will tell you :-D Manoj. --- On Wed, 30/12/09, Salil wrote: From: Salil Subject: Re: g_b BBC News: Condoms too big for Indian men To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 12:53 AM Deep, This is a three year old study - I wonder why you suddenly felt like posting it to the list. The study was reported widely, I would have read it in one of the mainstream Indian newspapers rather than the BBC. The idea of shorter condoms seems to have thereafter disappeared without impact. In any case, though I would like to believe the ICMR knows what its doing, I see too many flaws in the study, at least as reported. "The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms." Comment : By definition, half the population is on each side of any average. So if condoms are made for the average size, half of all men should be shorter - and the other half longer ! Since the condom is meant to accomodate larger than average size penises, it is bound to be made larger than what would be perfect for the average penis length. Thus, it follows that much more than half the population would find them large. In any case, they are to be rolled up at the base, so I don't see what point is being made. "about 60% of Indian men have penises which are between three and five centimetres shorter than international standards used in condom manufacture" Comment : Unless there is a comparison with how penises in at least one other country measure up, this is a meaningless statement. If I understand correctly, condoms are longer than required by design ! "The issue is serious because about one in every five times a condom is used in India it either falls off or tears, an extremely high failure rate. " Comment : It is difficult to understand how extra length can make a condom fall off or tear. I would guess that lack of access to water-based lubricants and lack of information on proper use of a condom would be significant contributors to condoms tearing and falling off, respectively. By definition if a condom is too long and therefore (correctly) rolled up at the base, it is tighter, not looser ! The correct measure , when investigating slippage, would be condom circumference - which the report does not seem to have measured. "And the country already has the highest number of HIV infections of any nation" This statistic was deemed correct when the study was completed in 2006, but the current UNAIDS numbers, post the recent correction in the Indian statistics, is ~ 2.5 million infections in India as compared to ~ 5.7 million infections in South Africa. Not that its a contest score, but thought it important to set the record straight on this dated article. Cheers Salil --- On Tue, 29/12/09, Deep wrote: From: Deep Subject: g_b BBC News: Condoms too big for Indian men To: gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Tuesday, 29 December, 2009, 11:15 PM Condoms 'too big' for Indian men By Damian Grammaticus BBC News, Delhi A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men. The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms. It has led to a call for condoms of mixed sizes to be made more widely available in India. The two-year study was carried out by the Indian Council of Medical Research. Over 1,200 volunteers from the length and breadth of the country had their penises measured precisely, down to the last millimetre. The scientists even checked their sample was representative of India as a whole in terms of class, religion and urban and rural dwellers. " It's not size, it's what you do with it that matters " Sunil Mehra The conclusion of all this scientific endeavour is that about 60% of Indian men have penises which are between three and five centimetres shorter than international standards used in condom manufacture. Doctor Chander Puri, a specialist in reproductive health at the Indian Council of Medical Research, told the BBC there was an obvious need in India for custom-made condoms, as most of those currently on sale are too large. The issue is serious because about one in every five times a condom is used in
Re: g_b BBC News: Condoms too big for Indian men
Deep, This is a three year old study - I wonder why you suddenly felt like posting it to the list. The study was reported widely, I would have read it in one of the mainstream Indian newspapers rather than the BBC. The idea of shorter condoms seems to have thereafter disappeared without impact. In any case, though I would like to believe the ICMR knows what its doing, I see too many flaws in the study, at least as reported. "The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms." Comment : By definition, half the population is on each side of any average. So if condoms are made for the average size, half of all men should be shorter - and the other half longer ! Since the condom is meant to accomodate larger than average size penises, it is bound to be made larger than what would be perfect for the average penis length. Thus, it follows that much more than half the population would find them large. In any case, they are to be rolled up at the base, so I don't see what point is being made. "about 60% of Indian men have penises which are between three and five centimetres shorter than international standards used in condom manufacture" Comment : Unless there is a comparison with how penises in at least one other country measure up, this is a meaningless statement. If I understand correctly, condoms are longer than required by design ! "The issue is serious because about one in every five times a condom is used in India it either falls off or tears, an extremely high failure rate. " Comment : It is difficult to understand how extra length can make a condom fall off or tear. I would guess that lack of access to water-based lubricants and lack of information on proper use of a condom would be significant contributors to condoms tearing and falling off, respectively. By definition if a condom is too long and therefore (correctly) rolled up at the base, it is tighter, not looser ! The correct measure , when investigating slippage, would be condom circumference - which the report does not seem to have measured. "And the country already has the highest number of HIV infections of any nation" This statistic was deemed correct when the study was completed in 2006, but the current UNAIDS numbers, post the recent correction in the Indian statistics, is ~ 2.5 million infections in India as compared to ~ 5.7 million infections in South Africa. Not that its a contest score, but thought it important to set the record straight on this dated article. Cheers Salil --- On Tue, 29/12/09, Deep wrote: From: Deep Subject: g_b BBC News: Condoms too big for Indian men To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 29 December, 2009, 11:15 PM Condoms 'too big' for Indian men By Damian Grammaticus BBC News, Delhi A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men. The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms. It has led to a call for condoms of mixed sizes to be made more widely available in India. The two-year study was carried out by the Indian Council of Medical Research. Over 1,200 volunteers from the length and breadth of the country had their penises measured precisely, down to the last millimetre. The scientists even checked their sample was representative of India as a whole in terms of class, religion and urban and rural dwellers. " It's not size, it's what you do with it that matters " Sunil Mehra The conclusion of all this scientific endeavour is that about 60% of Indian men have penises which
g_b BBC News: Condoms too big for Indian men
[BBC NEWS] Condoms 'too big' for Indian men By Damian Grammaticus BBC News, Delhi A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men. The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms. It has led to a call for condoms of mixed sizes to be made more widely available in India. The two-year study was carried out by the Indian Council of Medical Research. Over 1,200 volunteers from the length and breadth of the country had their penises measured precisely, down to the last millimetre. The scientists even checked their sample was representative of India as a whole in terms of class, religion and urban and rural dwellers. "It's not size, it's what you do with it that matters " Sunil Mehra The conclusion of all this scientific endeavour is that about 60% of Indian men have penises which are between three and five centimetres shorter than international standards used in condom manufacture. Doctor Chander Puri, a specialist in reproductive health at the Indian Council of Medical Research, told the BBC there was an obvious need in India for custom-made condoms, as most of those currently on sale are too large. The issue is serious because about one in every five times a condom is used in India it either falls off or tears, an extremely high failure rate. And the country already has the highest number of HIV infections of any nation. 'Not a problem' Mr Puri said that since Indians would be embarrassed about going to a chemist to ask for smaller condoms there should be vending machines dispensing different sizes all around the country. "Smaller condoms are on sale in India. But there is a lack of awareness that different sizes are available. There is anxiety talking about the issue. And normally one feels shy to go to a chemist's shop and ask for a smaller size condom." But Indian men need not be concerned about measuring up internationally according to Sunil Mehra, the former editor of the Indian version of the men's magazine Maxim. "It's not size, it's what you do with it that matters," he said. "From our population, the evidence is Indians are doing pretty well. "With apologies to the poet Alexander Pope, you could say, for inches and centimetres, let fools contend." Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/6161691.stm Published: 2006/12/08 13:08:43 GMT © BBC MMIX Deep http://gaynotes.blogspot.com/
