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Agree Reshma Agree with you completely. Just telling this a...hole that he is wrong about someone else makes him go off bonkers. We should find out more about this guy and expose the truth May be then this tongue will know some restraint and respect. One can be a mutt head ... just knowing how to write or in flowery language does not make one intelligent !!! From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 8:36:04 PM Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... Actually Reshma, In India, we can insult anyone and everyone including Gandhi, as long as what we say is not abusive, and can be justified as either a point of view or a verifiable fact. So when you say "no one has the RIGHT", you are actually wrong...everyone has the right. Get updated please. Best, Aditya B On 12 April 2011 17:00, Reshma Mathur wrote: >hi, >all stupid comment .no one have right to insult gandhi, they shd be thrown away >reshma > > > > >From: Reshma Mathur >To: "gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com" >Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2011 9:12 AM > >Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >builder, >and th... > > >all this supid, be fair in assessing national leader > > > > > >From: Manoj > >To: g_b >Sent: Monday, 4 April 2011 7:12 PM > >Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >builder, >and th... > > >Pratap Forget it. U wouldn't understand it. U do nit think that being called >gay >is accusing someone. U actually think it's normal!!! Infidel! U try to think U >r >actually even being rational n fair! With all these things ofcourse ur stupid >n >dumb headed brain wouldn't understand that this is not the way we do it here. >Didn't bapu teach us to shout, insult, believe in heresy and in general be >intolerant and quick to insult? !! Ofcourse the book needs to be banned, >burned >n I only wish we can send out guys out an get this guy assassinated Hail mike! > >From: Pratap ; >To: ; > >Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >builder, >and th... > > >Sent: Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:33:51 PM > > >Would you please educate this stupid dumb head and list the book(s) that have >been banned in the US? > >--- On Sun, 4/3/11, Mike Milton wrote: > > >>From: Mike Milton >> >>Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >>builder, >>and th... >> >>To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >> >>Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 7:35 AM >> >> >> >>Wow, the support from someone who does not even understand the point of view >>of >>a limited words incredibly stupid .. my foot. What As. >>This is not the first time a book has been banned, even in US. >>You want to read about an accusation that the father of country was GAY >>Again, British would not have let this go by without capitalizing if there >>was >>some truth to the same. >>You dumb head you are Stupid to even think about this. >>I guess this is still India ... where matter wins over mind . come on use >>it. !!! >>From: Pratap >> >>To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >> >>Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:38:59 PM >> >>Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >>builder, >>and th... >> >>Is he saying "shut up" because he disagrees with a point of view? >>Or is he saying "shut up" because all the comments are based on reviews in >>the >>Western media (even a normally staid and boring outlet like the WSJ)? >> >>Has anyone (other than Aditya) even read the book first? >> >>If Lelyveld has accessed the Gandhi-Kallenbach letters from the Sabarmati >>Ashram >>per Ms. De >>http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/politically-incorrect/entry/mahatma-a-gay-icon-why-not >> is >> it our discomfort with confronting or better yet inability to understand >>Gandhiji's thoughts about transparency per Mr. Kulkarni >> >>http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mahatmas-sexuality/770836/0 that causes >>this >>outrage? >> >>And the incredibly stupid and politically loaded decisions to ban a book that >>nobody has even read?! >> >>--- On Sat, 4/2/11, Mike Milton wrote: >> >>>From: Mike Milton >>> >>>Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >
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Actually Reshma, In India, we can insult anyone and everyone including Gandhi, as long as what we say is not abusive, and can be justified as either a point of view or a verifiable fact. So when you say "no one has the RIGHT", you are actually wrong...everyone has the right. Get updated please. Best, Aditya B On 12 April 2011 17:00, Reshma Mathur wrote: > > > hi, > all stupid comment .no one have right to insult gandhi, they shd be thrown > away > reshma > > > *From:* Reshma Mathur > *To:* "gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com" > *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 April 2011 9:12 AM > > *Subject:* Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > builder, and th... > > all this supid, be fair in assessing national leader > > > > *From:* Manoj > *To:* g_b > *Sent:* Monday, 4 April 2011 7:12 PM > *Subject:* Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > builder, and th... > >Pratap Forget it. U wouldn't understand it. U do nit think that being > called gay is accusing someone. U actually think it's normal!!! Infidel! U > try to think U r actually even being rational n fair! With all these things > ofcourse ur stupid n dumb headed brain wouldn't understand that this is not > the way we do it here. Didn't bapu teach us to shout, insult, believe in > heresy and in general be intolerant and quick to insult? !! Ofcourse the > book needs to be banned, burned n I only wish we can send out guys out an > get this guy assassinated Hail mike! > *From: *Pratap ; > *To: *; > *Subject: *Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > builder, and th... > *Sent: *Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:33:51 PM > > Would you please educate this stupid dumb head and list the book(s) that > have been banned in the US? > > --- On *Sun, 4/3/11, Mike Milton * wrote: > > > From: Mike Milton > Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > builder, and th... > To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 7:35 AM > > > Wow, the support from someone who does not even understand the point of > view of a limited words incredibly stupid .. my foot. What As. > This is not the first time a book has been banned, even in US. > You want to read about an accusation that the father of country was GAY > Again, British would not have let this go by without capitalizing if > there was some truth to the same. > You dumb head you are Stupid to even think about this. > I guess this is still India ... where matter wins over mind . come on > use it. !!! > *From:* Pratap > *To:* gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Sat, April 2, 2011 10:38:59 PM > *Subject:* Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > builder, and th... > >Is he saying "shut up" because he disagrees with a point of view? > Or is he saying "shut up" because all the comments are based on reviews in > the Western media (even a normally staid and boring outlet like the WSJ)? > Has anyone (other than Aditya) even read the book first? > > If Lelyveld has accessed the Gandhi-Kallenbach letters from the Sabarmati > Ashram per Ms. De http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/politically > -incorrect/entry/mahatma-a-gay-icon-why-not is it our discomfort with > confronting or better yet inability to understand Gandhiji's thoughts about > transparency per Mr. Kulkarni > http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mahatmas-sexuality/770836/0 that causes > this outrage? > And the incredibly stupid and politically loaded decisions to ban a book > that nobody has even read?! > --- On *Sat, 4/2/11, Mike Milton * wrote: > > > From: Mike Milton > Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > builder, and th... > To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 1:24 PM > > > You say "Shut up" because some one disagrees with your view point > Grow up > *From:* Aditya Bondyopadhyay > > *To:* gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Fri, April 1, 2011 1:38:41 AM > *Subject:* Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > builder, and th... > > Well, the point is that the book just happens to be pretty well written and > is not 'Shit'. AND IT DOES NOT AT ANY PLACE SPEAK OF GANDHI'S SEXUALITY. NOT > EVEN IN THE PASSING. I took time out to read it so that I know the facts > before I even commented. More importantly those who are calling it a 'shit' > without reading it are the worst form of idiots who will belive any canard > without having the capacity to make up their own minds. They say "an empty > vessel sounds
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hi, all stupid comment .no one have right to insult gandhi, they shd be thrown away reshma From: Reshma Mathur To: "gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2011 9:12 AM Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... all this supid, be fair in assessing national leader From: Manoj To: g_b Sent: Monday, 4 April 2011 7:12 PM Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... Pratap Forget it. U wouldn't understand it. U do nit think that being called gay is accusing someone. U actually think it's normal!!! Infidel! U try to think U r actually even being rational n fair! With all these things ofcourse ur stupid n dumb headed brain wouldn't understand that this is not the way we do it here. Didn't bapu teach us to shout, insult, believe in heresy and in general be intolerant and quick to insult? !! Ofcourse the book needs to be banned, burned n I only wish we can send out guys out an get this guy assassinated Hail mike! From: Pratap ; To: ; Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... Sent: Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:33:51 PM Would you please educate this stupid dumb head and list the book(s) that have been banned in the US? --- On Sun, 4/3/11, Mike Milton wrote: >From: Mike Milton >Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >builder, and th... >To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 7:35 AM > > > >Wow, the support from someone who does not even understand the point of view >of a limited words incredibly stupid .. my foot. What As. >This is not the first time a book has been banned, even in US. >You want to read about an accusation that the father of country was GAY >Again, British would not have let this go by without capitalizing if there was >some truth to the same. >You dumb head you are Stupid to even think about this. >I guess this is still India ... where matter wins over mind . come on use >it. !!! >From: Pratap >To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:38:59 PM >Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >builder, and th... > >Is he saying "shut up" because he disagrees with a point of view? >Or is he saying "shut up" because all the comments are based on reviews in the >Western media (even a normally staid and boring outlet like the WSJ)? >Has anyone (other than Aditya) even read the book first? > >If Lelyveld has accessed the Gandhi-Kallenbach letters from the Sabarmati >Ashram per Ms. De >http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/politically-incorrect/entry/mahatma-a-gay-icon-why-not is > it our discomfort with confronting or better yet inability to understand >Gandhiji's thoughts about transparency per Mr. Kulkarni >http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mahatmas-sexuality/770836/0 that causes this >outrage? >And the incredibly stupid and politically loaded decisions to ban a book that >nobody has even read?! >--- On Sat, 4/2/11, Mike Milton wrote: > >>From: Mike Milton >>Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >>builder, and th... >>To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >>Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 1:24 PM >> >> >> >>You say "Shut up" because some one disagrees with your view point >>Grow up >>From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay >>To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 1:38:41 AM >>Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >>builder, and th... >> >>Well, the point is that the book just happens to be pretty well written and >>is not 'Shit'. AND IT DOES NOT AT ANY PLACE SPEAK OF GANDHI'S SEXUALITY. NOT >>EVEN IN THE PASSING. I took time out to read it so that I know the facts >>before I even commented. More importantly those who are calling it a 'shit' >>without reading it are the worst form of idiots who will belive any canard >>without having the capacity to make up their own minds. They say "an empty >>vessel sounds much", and these guys just prove the point. They are dumb >>enough not to be able to read the book, maybe even understand it, but would >>make pompous claims of "one cannot read every shit". They should make better >>efforts to at being intellectually honest. Otherwise they should just shut >>up. Best, Aditya Bondyopadhyay On 4/1/11, nirb...@aol.com >>wrote: > Nobody has the time to read "every shit that is published!!!" > > >>BUT we should NOT censor, nor ban
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Oh yah ... look in the mirror dud > --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Aditya Bondyopadhyay wrote: >> >> If that is what you understood from my letter, I think you deserve to stay >> on in your present intellectual state as a reward. >> All the best, >> Aditya B >> >> On 2 April 2011 22:54, Mike Milton wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> You say "Shut up" because some one disagrees with your view point >>> >>> Grow up >>> >>> -- >>> *From:* Aditya Bondyopadhyay >>> *To:* gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >>> *Sent:* Fri, April 1, 2011 1:38:41 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >>> builder, and th... >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, the point is that the book just happens to be pretty well >>> written and is not 'Shit'. AND IT DOES NOT AT ANY PLACE SPEAK OF >>> GANDHI'S SEXUALITY. NOT EVEN IN THE PASSING. >>> >>> I took time out to read it so that I know the facts before I even >>> commented. More importantly those who are calling it a 'shit' without >>> reading it are the worst form of idiots who will belive any canard >>> without having the capacity to make up their own minds. >>> >>> They say "an empty vessel sounds much", and these guys just prove the >>> point. They are dumb enough not to be able to read the book, maybe >>> even understand it, but would make pompous claims of "one cannot read >>> every shit". They should make better efforts to at being >>> intellectually honest. Otherwise they should just shut up. >>> >>> Best, >>> Aditya Bondyopadhyay >>> >>> On 4/1/11, nirbokj@... wrote: >>>> Nobody has the time to read "every shit that is published!!!" >>>> >>>> BUT we should NOT censor, nor ban a book, movie, newspaper, cartoon, just >>>> because we don't agree with it. >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 3/31/2011 2:54:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>> mmilton09@... writes: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So you are suggesting that read every shit that is published and not use >>>> your brain !!! What will read the book alone do? If you are for real, >>> then >>>> you have to check the sources. >>>> >>>> >>>> As far as I am concerned I stand by my statement "If there was any truth >>>> to this, British would have ruined Mahatma and taken advantage of the >>> same, >>>> We might even be not independent today". >>>> >>>> >>>> Be careful Independence does not mean stupidity nor lack of guard in >>>> accepting everything that you come across. >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay >>>> To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 5:09:09 AM >>>> Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >>>> builder, and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the >>> image >>>> of >>>> the mahatma >>>> >>>> >>>> The point is, I just procured and read the book so that I can make up >>>> my own mind. And this is what I find: we are all screaming because >>>> some nitwit reviewer had to sell his/her copy and therefore came up >>>> with what can safely be termed COMPLETE BULLSHIT. The book is nothing >>>> that the review claims and there is no indication or even wording >>>> about Gandhi's sexuality. It is a complete fabrication of a >>>> sensationalist and partially deranged reviewer. >>>> >>>> So this is what I suggest. Before you get into a frenzy aka shiv sena, >>>> and start beating up the writer and burning libraries, please read the >>>> book. And id you still have bile left, reserve the boot for the >>>> reviewer for spreading canards, and withdraw it from the writer. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Aditya >>>> >>>> On 3/31/11, Mike Milton <_mmilton09@..._ (mailto: >>> mmilton09@...) >>>>> wrote: >>
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Or her Cheers John On 5 Apr 2011, at 23:05, "p.nath29" wrote: > > One of the reaons I am a part of this yahoogroup is because I love Aditya's > sarcasm, no one comes even remotely close to him in this group of tens of > thousands of people. > --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Aditya Bondyopadhyay wrote: >> >> If that is what you understood from my letter, I think you deserve to stay >> on in your present intellectual state as a reward. >> All the best, >> Aditya B >> >> On 2 April 2011 22:54, Mike Milton wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> You say "Shut up" because some one disagrees with your view point >>> >>> Grow up >>> >>> -------------- >>> *From:* Aditya Bondyopadhyay >>> *To:* gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >>> *Sent:* Fri, April 1, 2011 1:38:41 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >>> builder, and th... >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, the point is that the book just happens to be pretty well >>> written and is not 'Shit'. AND IT DOES NOT AT ANY PLACE SPEAK OF >>> GANDHI'S SEXUALITY. NOT EVEN IN THE PASSING. >>> >>> I took time out to read it so that I know the facts before I even >>> commented. More importantly those who are calling it a 'shit' without >>> reading it are the worst form of idiots who will belive any canard >>> without having the capacity to make up their own minds. >>> >>> They say "an empty vessel sounds much", and these guys just prove the >>> point. They are dumb enough not to be able to read the book, maybe >>> even understand it, but would make pompous claims of "one cannot read >>> every shit". They should make better efforts to at being >>> intellectually honest. Otherwise they should just shut up. >>> >>> Best, >>> Aditya Bondyopadhyay >>> >>> On 4/1/11, nirbokj@... wrote: >>>> Nobody has the time to read "every shit that is published!!!" >>>> >>>> BUT we should NOT censor, nor ban a book, movie, newspaper, cartoon, just >>>> because we don't agree with it. >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 3/31/2011 2:54:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>> mmilton09@... writes: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So you are suggesting that read every shit that is published and not use >>>> your brain !!! What will read the book alone do? If you are for real, >>> then >>>> you have to check the sources. >>>> >>>> >>>> As far as I am concerned I stand by my statement "If there was any truth >>>> to this, British would have ruined Mahatma and taken advantage of the >>> same, >>>> We might even be not independent today". >>>> >>>> >>>> Be careful Independence does not mean stupidity nor lack of guard in >>>> accepting everything that you come across. >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay >>>> To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 5:09:09 AM >>>> Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >>>> builder, and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the >>> image >>>> of >>>> the mahatma >>>> >>>> >>>> The point is, I just procured and read the book so that I can make up >>>> my own mind. And this is what I find: we are all screaming because >>>> some nitwit reviewer had to sell his/her copy and therefore came up >>>> with what can safely be termed COMPLETE BULLSHIT. The book is nothing >>>> that the review claims and there is no indication or even wording >>>> about Gandhi's sexuality. It is a complete fabrication of a >>>> sensationalist and partially deranged reviewer. >>>> >>>> So this is what I suggest. Before you get into a frenzy aka shiv sena, >>>> and start beating up the writer and burning libraries, please read the >>>> book. And id you still have bile left, reserve the boot for the >>>> reviewer for spreading canards, and withdra
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One of the reaons I am a part of this yahoogroup is because I love Aditya's sarcasm, no one comes even remotely close to him in this group of tens of thousands of people. --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Aditya Bondyopadhyay wrote: > > If that is what you understood from my letter, I think you deserve to stay > on in your present intellectual state as a reward. > All the best, > Aditya B > > On 2 April 2011 22:54, Mike Milton wrote: > > > > > > > You say "Shut up" because some one disagrees with your view point > > > > Grow up > > > > -- > > *From:* Aditya Bondyopadhyay > > *To:* gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > > *Sent:* Fri, April 1, 2011 1:38:41 AM > > *Subject:* Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > > builder, and th... > > > > > > > > Well, the point is that the book just happens to be pretty well > > written and is not 'Shit'. AND IT DOES NOT AT ANY PLACE SPEAK OF > > GANDHI'S SEXUALITY. NOT EVEN IN THE PASSING. > > > > I took time out to read it so that I know the facts before I even > > commented. More importantly those who are calling it a 'shit' without > > reading it are the worst form of idiots who will belive any canard > > without having the capacity to make up their own minds. > > > > They say "an empty vessel sounds much", and these guys just prove the > > point. They are dumb enough not to be able to read the book, maybe > > even understand it, but would make pompous claims of "one cannot read > > every shit". They should make better efforts to at being > > intellectually honest. Otherwise they should just shut up. > > > > Best, > > Aditya Bondyopadhyay > > > > On 4/1/11, nirbokj@... wrote: > > > Nobody has the time to read "every shit that is published!!!" > > > > > > BUT we should NOT censor, nor ban a book, movie, newspaper, cartoon, just > > > because we don't agree with it. > > > > > > Gordon > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/31/2011 2:54:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > mmilton09@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you are suggesting that read every shit that is published and not use > > > your brain !!! What will read the book alone do? If you are for real, > > then > > > you have to check the sources. > > > > > > > > > As far as I am concerned I stand by my statement "If there was any truth > > > to this, British would have ruined Mahatma and taken advantage of the > > same, > > > We might even be not independent today". > > > > > > > > > Be careful Independence does not mean stupidity nor lack of guard in > > > accepting everything that you come across. > > > > > > > > > Mike. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay > > > To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 5:09:09 AM > > > Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > > > builder, and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the > > image > > > of > > > the mahatma > > > > > > > > > The point is, I just procured and read the book so that I can make up > > > my own mind. And this is what I find: we are all screaming because > > > some nitwit reviewer had to sell his/her copy and therefore came up > > > with what can safely be termed COMPLETE BULLSHIT. The book is nothing > > > that the review claims and there is no indication or even wording > > > about Gandhi's sexuality. It is a complete fabrication of a > > > sensationalist and partially deranged reviewer. > > > > > > So this is what I suggest. Before you get into a frenzy aka shiv sena, > > > and start beating up the writer and burning libraries, please read the > > > book. And id you still have bile left, reserve the boot for the > > > reviewer for spreading canards, and withdraw it from the writer. > > > > > > Best, > > > Aditya > > > > > > On 3/31/11, Mike Milton <_mmilton09@..._ (mailto: > > mmilton09@...) > > >> wrote: > > >> Perhaps the author needs some to boot him !!! > > >> > > >> Bloot, point here is not appreciating Gandhiji's principle ... fo
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Manoj had the right idea about you ... you are indeed an ass !! From: Pratap To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 4:26:45 AM Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... Even if a book is banned by a City or County School Board, or a Public Library, one can still buy the book in a bookstore. Or if not stocked by that bookstore (as a form of censorship), one can get it from a competing bookstore. To my knowledge there has been no state-wide or nation-wide ban on a book in the US. This is quite different from the banning of books by the Central or State Govts in India where one just cannot get the book "legally" and the book can be confiscated at an airport. Of course now one could possibly get the book from a website or from a state where the book is not banned. And inspite of local bans of books, there is this celebration of locally banned books at the beginning of fall each year http://www.bannedbooksweek.org/info.html My statement "And the incredibly stupid and politically loaded decisions to ban a book that nobody has even read?!" was about the ban imposed by the Gujarat state govt and being considered by the Maharashtra state govt. Hopefully, Vikram's article on the Churchillians v/s the Gandhians and Law Minister Moily's statement about Lelyveld's sources being from work published by the Central govt should pretty much put to rest the controversy over the actual content of Lelyveld's book v/s the mischievious reviews in Western tabloids. And hopefully I will get to walk into a bookstore in Mumbai and buy Lelyveld's book when it is published in India! --- On Mon, 4/4/11, Mike Milton wrote: >From: Mike Milton >Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >builder, >and th... >To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >Date: Monday, April 4, 2011, 7:02 PM > > > >There have been booked banned in the US. Many such as Mark twain's books were >banned for using insulting words like "Nigger". >Some were banned for religious reasons. Some were banned for condemning >organized Christianity, such as "Don;t call me a brother". >Many others are banned at different levels - county, state and all the way to >the country with matter concerning homosexuality unfairly. Some >since >have been reinstated though. > > >The idea of censorship and banning changes with changing times. But >nevertheless, banning goes on even today > > >http://www.banned-books.com/bblista-i.html > > >Dear Manoj: > > >In this age of information database and accessibility, the idea that someone >is >not wise enough to do a little bit research before accusing and using bad >language is appalling. >I can use more colorful language to address this person. Then where does this >end? > > >Let us take the approach that the Mahatma taught the world ... Forgive and >educate !! > > >Mike. > > > From: Manoj >To: g_b >Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 8:42:34 AM >Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >builder, >and th... > > >Pratap >Forget it. U wouldn't understand it. U do nit think that being called gay is >accusing someone. U actually think it's normal!!! >Infidel! >U try to think >U r actually even being rational n fair! > >With all these things ofcourse ur stupid n dumb headed brain wouldn't >understand >that this is not the way we do it here. > > >Didn't bapu teach us to shout, insult, believe in heresy and in general be >intolerant and quick to insult? !! > >Ofcourse the book needs to be banned, burned n I only wish we can send out >guys >out an get this guy assassinated > > >Hail mike! > > > > > > From: Pratap ; >To: ; >Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >builder, >and th... > >Sent: Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:33:51 PM > > > >Would you please educate this stupid dumb head and list the book(s) that have >been banned in the US? > >--- On Sun, 4/3/11, Mike Milton wrote: > > >>From: Mike Milton >>Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >>builder, >>and th... >>To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >>Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 7:35 AM >> >> >> >>Wow, the support from someone who does not even understand the point of view >>of >>a limited words incredibly stupid .. my foot. What As. >> >> >>This is not the first time a
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If that is what you understood from my letter, I think you deserve to stay on in your present intellectual state as a reward. All the best, Aditya B On 2 April 2011 22:54, Mike Milton wrote: > > > You say "Shut up" because some one disagrees with your view point > > Grow up > > -- > *From:* Aditya Bondyopadhyay > *To:* gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Fri, April 1, 2011 1:38:41 AM > *Subject:* Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > builder, and th... > > > > Well, the point is that the book just happens to be pretty well > written and is not 'Shit'. AND IT DOES NOT AT ANY PLACE SPEAK OF > GANDHI'S SEXUALITY. NOT EVEN IN THE PASSING. > > I took time out to read it so that I know the facts before I even > commented. More importantly those who are calling it a 'shit' without > reading it are the worst form of idiots who will belive any canard > without having the capacity to make up their own minds. > > They say "an empty vessel sounds much", and these guys just prove the > point. They are dumb enough not to be able to read the book, maybe > even understand it, but would make pompous claims of "one cannot read > every shit". They should make better efforts to at being > intellectually honest. Otherwise they should just shut up. > > Best, > Aditya Bondyopadhyay > > On 4/1/11, nirb...@aol.com wrote: > > Nobody has the time to read "every shit that is published!!!" > > > > BUT we should NOT censor, nor ban a book, movie, newspaper, cartoon, just > > because we don't agree with it. > > > > Gordon > > > > > > In a message dated 3/31/2011 2:54:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > mmilto...@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > So you are suggesting that read every shit that is published and not use > > your brain !!! What will read the book alone do? If you are for real, > then > > you have to check the sources. > > > > > > As far as I am concerned I stand by my statement "If there was any truth > > to this, British would have ruined Mahatma and taken advantage of the > same, > > We might even be not independent today". > > > > > > Be careful Independence does not mean stupidity nor lack of guard in > > accepting everything that you come across. > > > > > > Mike. > > > > > > > > From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay > > To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 5:09:09 AM > > Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > > builder, and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the > image > > of > > the mahatma > > > > > > The point is, I just procured and read the book so that I can make up > > my own mind. And this is what I find: we are all screaming because > > some nitwit reviewer had to sell his/her copy and therefore came up > > with what can safely be termed COMPLETE BULLSHIT. The book is nothing > > that the review claims and there is no indication or even wording > > about Gandhi's sexuality. It is a complete fabrication of a > > sensationalist and partially deranged reviewer. > > > > So this is what I suggest. Before you get into a frenzy aka shiv sena, > > and start beating up the writer and burning libraries, please read the > > book. And id you still have bile left, reserve the boot for the > > reviewer for spreading canards, and withdraw it from the writer. > > > > Best, > > Aditya > > > > On 3/31/11, Mike Milton <_mmilton09@yahoo.com_ (mailto: > mmilto...@yahoo.com) > >> wrote: > >> Perhaps the author needs some to boot him !!! > >> > >> Bloot, point here is not appreciating Gandhiji's principle ... for long > > we > >> have > >> done that and have given up now too. > >> > >> Point here is, if someone writes a story about me, I think I expect > > people > >> to > >> verify the veracity of the story before believing the same. We owe the > > same > >> level of respect to Mahatma. > >> > >> Does any one his right mind think, if there was any truth to this story, > >> British > >> would have destroyed Gandhi and would have taken full advantage of it. > >> > >> Let us think before passing mundane comments at least about a great > soul. > >> > >> Mike. > >> > >> > >> > >
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Even if a book is banned by a City or County School Board, or a Public Library, one can still buy the book in a bookstore. Or if not stocked by that bookstore (as a form of censorship), one can get it from a competing bookstore. To my knowledge there has been no state-wide or nation-wide ban on a book in the US. This is quite different from the banning of books by the Central or State Govts in India where one just cannot get the book "legally" and the book can be confiscated at an airport. Of course now one could possibly get the book from a website or from a state where the book is not banned. And inspite of local bans of books, there is this celebration of locally banned books at the beginning of fall each year http://www.bannedbooksweek.org/info.html My statement "And the incredibly stupid and politically loaded decisions to ban a book that nobody has even read?!" was about the ban imposed by the Gujarat state govt and being considered by the Maharashtra state govt. Hopefully, Vikram's article on the Churchillians v/s the Gandhians and Law Minister Moily's statement about Lelyveld's sources being from work published by the Central govt should pretty much put to rest the controversy over the actual content of Lelyveld's book v/s the mischievious reviews in Western tabloids. And hopefully I will get to walk into a bookstore in Mumbai and buy Lelyveld's book when it is published in India! --- On Mon, 4/4/11, Mike Milton wrote: From: Mike Milton Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 4, 2011, 7:02 PM There have been booked banned in the US. Many such as Mark twain's books were banned for using insulting words like "Nigger". Some were banned for religious reasons. Some were banned for condemning organized Christianity, such as "Don;t call me a brother". Many others are banned at different levels - county, state and all the way to the country with matter concerning homosexuality unfairly. Some since have been reinstated though. The idea of censorship and banning changes with changing times. But nevertheless, banning goes on even today http://www.banned-books.com/bblista-i.html Dear Manoj: In this age of information database and accessibility, the idea that someone is not wise enough to do a little bit research before accusing and using bad language is appalling. I can use more colorful language to address this person. Then where does this end? Let us take the approach that the Mahatma taught the world ... Forgive and educate !! Mike. From: Manoj To: g_b Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 8:42:34 AM Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... Pratap Forget it. U wouldn't understand it. U do nit think that being called gay is accusing someone. U actually think it's normal!!! Infidel! U try to think U r actually even being rational n fair! With all these things ofcourse ur stupid n dumb headed brain wouldn't understand that this is not the way we do it here. Didn't bapu teach us to shout, insult, believe in heresy and in general be intolerant and quick to insult? !! Ofcourse the book needs to be banned, burned n I only wish we can send out guys out an get this guy assassinated Hail mike! From: Pratap ; To: ; Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... Sent: Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:33:51 PM Would you please educate this stupid dumb head and list the book(s) that have been banned in the US? --- On Sun, 4/3/11, Mike Milton wrote: From: Mike Milton Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 7:35 AM Wow, the support from someone who does not even understand the point of view of a limited words incredibly stupid .. my foot. What As. This is not the first time a book has been banned, even in US. You want to read about an accusation that the father of country was GAY Again, British would not have let this go by without capitalizing if there was some truth to the same. You dumb head you are Stupid to even think about this. I guess this is still India ... where matter wins over mind . come on use it. !!! From: Pratap To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:38:59 PM Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... Is he saying "shut up" because he disagrees with a point of view? Or is he saying "shut up" because all the comments are based on reviews in the Western media (even a normally staid and boring outlet like the WSJ)? Has anyone (other than Aditya) eve
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all this supid, be fair in assessing national leader From: Manoj To: g_b Sent: Monday, 4 April 2011 7:12 PM Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... PratapForget it. U wouldn't understand it. U do nit think that being called gay is accusing someone. U actually think it's normal!!!Infidel!U try to think U r actually even being rational n fair!With all these things ofcourse ur stupid n dumb headed brain wouldn't understand that this is not the way we do it here. Didn't bapu teach us to shout, insult, believe in heresy and in general be intolerant and quick to insult? !!Ofcourse the book needs to be banned, burned n I only wish we can send out guys out an get this guy assassinated Hail mike! From: Pratap ; To: ; Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... Sent: Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:33:51 PM Would you please educate this stupid dumb head and list the book(s) that have been banned in the US? --- On Sun, 4/3/11, Mike Milton wrote: >From: Mike Milton >Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >builder, and th... >To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 7:35 AM > > > >Wow, the support from someone who does not even understand the point of view >of a limited words incredibly stupid .. my foot. What As. >This is not the first time a book has been banned, even in US. >You want to read about an accusation that the father of country was GAY >Again, British would not have let this go by without capitalizing if there was >some truth to the same. >You dumb head you are Stupid to even think about this. >I guess this is still India ... where matter wins over mind . come on use >it. !!! >From: Pratap >To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:38:59 PM >Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >builder, and th... > >Is he saying "shut up" because he disagrees with a point of view? >Or is he saying "shut up" because all the comments are based on reviews in the >Western media (even a normally staid and boring outlet like the WSJ)? >Has anyone (other than Aditya) even read the book first? > >If Lelyveld has accessed the Gandhi-Kallenbach letters from the Sabarmati >Ashram per Ms. De >http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/politically-incorrect/entry/mahatma-a-gay-icon-why-not is > it our discomfort with confronting or better yet inability to understand >Gandhiji's thoughts about transparency per Mr. Kulkarni >http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mahatmas-sexuality/770836/0 that causes this >outrage? >And the incredibly stupid and politically loaded decisions to ban a book that >nobody has even read?! >--- On Sat, 4/2/11, Mike Milton wrote: > >>From: Mike Milton >>Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >>builder, and th... >>To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >>Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 1:24 PM >> >> >> >>You say "Shut up" because some one disagrees with your view point >>Grow up >>From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay >>To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 1:38:41 AM >>Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >>builder, and th... >> >>Well, the point is that the book just happens to be pretty wellwritten and is >>not 'Shit'. AND IT DOES NOT AT ANY PLACE SPEAK OFGANDHI'S SEXUALITY. NOT EVEN >>IN THE PASSING.I took time out to read it so that I know the facts before I >>evencommented. More importantly those who are calling it a 'shit' >>withoutreading it are the worst form of idiots who will belive any >>canardwithout having the capacity to make up their own minds.They say "an >>empty vessel sounds much", and these guys just prove thepoint. They are dumb >>enough not to be able to read the book, maybeeven understand it, but would >>make pompous claims of "one cannot readevery shit". They should make better >>efforts to at beingintellectually honest. Otherwise they should just shut >>up.Best,Aditya BondyopadhyayOn 4/1/11, nirb...@aol.com >>wrote:> Nobody has the time to read "every shit that is published!!!">> BUT >>we should NOT censor, nor ban a book, movie, newspaper, cartoon, just> because we don't agree with it.>> Gordon>>> In a message dated 3/31/2011 2:54:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,> mmilto...@yahoo.com writes:>>>>>> So you are suggesting that read every shit that is publi
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There have been booked banned in the US. Many such as Mark twain's books were banned for using insulting words like "Nigger". Some were banned for religious reasons. Some were banned for condemning organized Christianity, such as "Don;t call me a brother". Many others are banned at different levels - county, state and all the way to the country with matter concerning homosexuality unfairly. Some since have been reinstated though. The idea of censorship and banning changes with changing times. But nevertheless, banning goes on even today http://www.banned-books.com/bblista-i.html Dear Manoj: In this age of information database and accessibility, the idea that someone is not wise enough to do a little bit research before accusing and using bad language is appalling. I can use more colorful language to address this person. Then where does this end? Let us take the approach that the Mahatma taught the world ... Forgive and educate !! Mike. From: Manoj To: g_b Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 8:42:34 AM Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... Pratap Forget it. U wouldn't understand it. U do nit think that being called gay is accusing someone. U actually think it's normal!!! Infidel! U try to think U r actually even being rational n fair! With all these things ofcourse ur stupid n dumb headed brain wouldn't understand that this is not the way we do it here. Didn't bapu teach us to shout, insult, believe in heresy and in general be intolerant and quick to insult? !! Ofcourse the book needs to be banned, burned n I only wish we can send out guys out an get this guy assassinated Hail mike! ____ From: Pratap ; To: ; Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... Sent: Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:33:51 PM Would you please educate this stupid dumb head and list the book(s) that have been banned in the US? --- On Sun, 4/3/11, Mike Milton wrote: >From: Mike Milton >Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >builder, >and th... >To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 7:35 AM > > > >Wow, the support from someone who does not even understand the point of view >of >a limited words incredibly stupid .. my foot. What As. > > >This is not the first time a book has been banned, even in US. > > >You want to read about an accusation that the father of country was GAY >Again, British would not have let this go by without capitalizing if there was >some truth to the same. > > >You dumb head you are Stupid to even think about this. > > >I guess this is still India ... where matter wins over mind . come on use >it. !!! > > > ________________ From: Pratap >To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:38:59 PM >Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >builder, >and th... > > >Is he saying "shut up" because he disagrees with a point of view? > >Or is he saying "shut up" because all the comments are based on reviews in the >Western media (even a normally staid and boring outlet like the WSJ)? > >Has anyone (other than Aditya) even read the book first? > >If Lelyveld has accessed the Gandhi-Kallenbach letters from the Sabarmati >Ashram >per Ms. De >http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/politically-incorrect/entry/mahatma-a-gay-icon-why-not > is > it our discomfort with confronting or better yet inability to understand >Gandhiji's thoughts about transparency per Mr. Kulkarni > >http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mahatmas-sexuality/770836/0 that causes this >outrage? > >And the incredibly stupid and politically loaded decisions to ban a book that >nobody has even read?! > > > >--- On Sat, 4/2/11, Mike Milton wrote: > > >>From: Mike Milton >>Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >>builder, >>and th... >>To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >>Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 1:24 PM >> >> >> >>You say "Shut up" because some one disagrees with your view point >> >> >>Grow up >> >> >> From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay >>To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 1:38:41 AM >>Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >>builder, >>and th... >> >> >>Well, the point is that the book just happens to be pretty well >>writt
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Pratap Forget it. U wouldn't understand it. U do nit think that being called gay is accusing someone. U actually think it's normal!!! Infidel! U try to think U r actually even being rational n fair! With all these things ofcourse ur stupid n dumb headed brain wouldn't understand that this is not the way we do it here. Didn't bapu teach us to shout, insult, believe in heresy and in general be intolerant and quick to insult? !! Ofcourse the book needs to be banned, burned n I only wish we can send out guys out an get this guy assassinated Hail mike!
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Would you please educate this stupid dumb head and list the book(s) that have been banned in the US? --- On Sun, 4/3/11, Mike Milton wrote: From: Mike Milton Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 7:35 AM Wow, the support from someone who does not even understand the point of view of a limited words incredibly stupid .. my foot. What As. This is not the first time a book has been banned, even in US. You want to read about an accusation that the father of country was GAY Again, British would not have let this go by without capitalizing if there was some truth to the same. You dumb head you are Stupid to even think about this. I guess this is still India ... where matter wins over mind . come on use it. !!! From: Pratap To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:38:59 PM Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... Is he saying "shut up" because he disagrees with a point of view? Or is he saying "shut up" because all the comments are based on reviews in the Western media (even a normally staid and boring outlet like the WSJ)? Has anyone (other than Aditya) even read the book first? If Lelyveld has accessed the Gandhi-Kallenbach letters from the Sabarmati Ashram per Ms. De http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/politically-incorrect/entry/mahatma-a-gay-icon-why-not is it our discomfort with confronting or better yet inability to understand Gandhiji's thoughts about transparency per Mr. Kulkarni http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mahatmas-sexuality/770836/0 that causes this outrage? And the incredibly stupid and politically loaded decisions to ban a book that nobody has even read?! --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Mike Milton wrote: From: Mike Milton Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 1:24 PM You say "Shut up" because some one disagrees with your view point Grow up From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 1:38:41 AM Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... Well, the point is that the book just happens to be pretty well written and is not 'Shit'. AND IT DOES NOT AT ANY PLACE SPEAK OF GANDHI'S SEXUALITY. NOT EVEN IN THE PASSING. I took time out to read it so that I know the facts before I even commented. More importantly those who are calling it a 'shit' without reading it are the worst form of idiots who will belive any canard without having the capacity to make up their own minds. They say "an empty vessel sounds much", and these guys just prove the point. They are dumb enough not to be able to read the book, maybe even understand it, but would make pompous claims of "one cannot read every shit". They should make better efforts to at being intellectually honest. Otherwise they should just shut up. Best, Aditya Bondyopadhyay On 4/1/11, nirb...@aol.com wrote: > Nobody has the time to read "every shit that is published!!!" > > BUT we should NOT censor, nor ban a book, movie, newspaper, cartoon, just > because we don't agree with it. > > Gordon > > > In a message dated 3/31/2011 2:54:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > mmilto...@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > So you are suggesting that read every shit that is published and not use > your brain !!! What will read the book alone do? If you are for real, then > you have to check the sources. > > > As far as I am concerned I stand by my statement "If there was any truth > to this, British would have ruined Mahatma and taken advantage of the same, > We might even be not independent today". > > > Be careful Independence does not mean stupidity nor lack of guard in > accepting everything that you come across. > > > Mike. > > > > From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay > To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 5:09:09 AM > Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > builder, and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the image > of > the mahatma > > > The point is, I just procured and read the book so that I can make up > my own mind. And this is what I find: we are all screaming because > some nitwit reviewer had to sell his/her copy and therefore came up > with what can safely be termed COMPLETE BULLSHIT. The book is nothing > that the review claims and there is no indication or even wording > about Gandhi's sexuality. It is a complete
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Why would Gandhi, a great man certainly, but a human being nevertheless, be any different from the rest of the human population? Science tells us that most people are neither totally heterosexual not totally homosexual. What that means is that most people have the ability to feel attraction (to different degrees) to people of the same gender as well as to people of the opposite gender. The American sexual researcher Alfred Kinsey developed a scale marked from 0 to 6 to show the various possibilities of sexual attraction: 0- Exclusively heterosexual with no homosexual1- Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual2- Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual3- Equally heterosexual and homosexual4- Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual5- Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual6- Exclusively homosexual Interestingly, and according to the original research by Dr Kinsey, 11.6% of white males aged 20–35 were given a rating of 3 were given a rating of 3 on the above scale. See this Wikipedia article about the Kinsey Scale: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale . Regards Andy Dada 2011/4/3 Mike Milton > > > Wow, the support from someone who does not even understand the point of > view of a limited words incredibly stupid .. my foot. What As. > > This is not the first time a book has been banned, even in US. > > You want to read about an accusation that the father of country was GAY > Again, British would not have let this go by without capitalizing if > there was some truth to the same. > > You dumb head you are Stupid to even think about this. > > I guess this is still India ... where matter wins over mind . come on > use it. !!! > > -- > *From:* Pratap > *To:* gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Sat, April 2, 2011 10:38:59 PM > *Subject:* Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > builder, and th... > > > > Is he saying "shut up" because he disagrees with a point of view? > > Or is he saying "shut up" because all the comments are based on reviews in > the Western media (even a normally staid and boring outlet like the WSJ)? > Has anyone (other than Aditya) even read the book first? > > If Lelyveld has accessed the Gandhi-Kallenbach letters from the Sabarmati > Ashram per Ms. De http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/politically > -incorrect/entry/mahatma-a-gay-icon-why-not is it our discomfort with > confronting or better yet inability to understand Gandhiji's thoughts about > transparency per Mr. Kulkarni > > http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mahatmas-sexuality/770836/0 that causes > this outrage? > > And the incredibly stupid and politically loaded decisions to ban a book > that nobody has even read?! > > > --- On *Sat, 4/2/11, Mike Milton * wrote: > > > From: Mike Milton > Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > builder, and th... > To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 1:24 PM > > > You say "Shut up" because some one disagrees with your view point !!!! > > Grow up .... > > -------------- > *From:* Aditya Bondyopadhyay > *To:* gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Fri, April 1, 2011 1:38:41 AM > *Subject:* Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > builder, and th... > > > Well, the point is that the book just happens to be pretty well > written and is not 'Shit'. AND IT DOES NOT AT ANY PLACE SPEAK OF > GANDHI'S SEXUALITY. NOT EVEN IN THE PASSING. > > I took time out to read it so that I know the facts before I even > commented. More importantly those who are calling it a 'shit' without > reading it are the worst form of idiots who will belive any canard > without having the capacity to make up their own minds. > > They say "an empty vessel sounds much", and these guys just prove the > point. They are dumb enough not to be able to read the book, maybe > even understand it, but would make pompous claims of "one cannot read > every shit". They should make better efforts to at being > intellectually honest. Otherwise they should just shut up. > > Best, > Aditya Bondyopadhyay > > On 4/1/11, > nirb...@aol.com<http://us.mc307.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nirbokj%40aol.com>< > nirb...@aol.com<http://us.mc307.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nirbokj%40aol.com>> > wrote: > > Nobody has the time to read "every shit that is published!!!" > > > > BUT we should NOT censor, nor ban a book, movie, newspaper, cartoon, just > > because we don't agree with it. &
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Wow, the support from someone who does not even understand the point of view of a limited words incredibly stupid .. my foot. What As. This is not the first time a book has been banned, even in US. You want to read about an accusation that the father of country was GAY Again, British would not have let this go by without capitalizing if there was some truth to the same. You dumb head you are Stupid to even think about this. I guess this is still India ... where matter wins over mind . come on use it. !!! From: Pratap To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:38:59 PM Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... Is he saying "shut up" because he disagrees with a point of view? Or is he saying "shut up" because all the comments are based on reviews in the Western media (even a normally staid and boring outlet like the WSJ)? Has anyone (other than Aditya) even read the book first? If Lelyveld has accessed the Gandhi-Kallenbach letters from the Sabarmati Ashram per Ms. De http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/politically-incorrect/entry/mahatma-a-gay-icon-why-not is it our discomfort with confronting or better yet inability to understand Gandhiji's thoughts about transparency per Mr. Kulkarni http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mahatmas-sexuality/770836/0 that causes this outrage? And the incredibly stupid and politically loaded decisions to ban a book that nobody has even read?! --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Mike Milton wrote: >From: Mike Milton >Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >builder, >and th... >To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 1:24 PM > > > >You say "Shut up" because some one disagrees with your view point > > >Grow up > > > From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay >To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 1:38:41 AM >Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >builder, >and th... > > >Well, the point is that the book just happens to be pretty well >written and is not 'Shit'. AND IT DOES NOT AT ANY PLACE SPEAK OF >GANDHI'S SEXUALITY. NOT EVEN IN THE PASSING. > >I took time out to read it so that I know the facts before I even >commented. More importantly those who are calling it a 'shit' without >reading it are the worst form of idiots who will belive any canard >without having the capacity to make up their own minds. > >They say "an empty vessel sounds much", and these guys just prove the >point. They are dumb enough not to be able to read the book, maybe >even understand it, but would make pompous claims of "one cannot read >every shit". They should make better efforts to at being >intellectually honest. Otherwise they should just shut up. > >Best, >Aditya Bondyopadhyay > >On 4/1/11, nirb...@aol.com wrote: >> Nobody has the time to read "every shit that is published!!!" >> >> BUT we should NOT censor, nor ban a book, movie, newspaper, cartoon, just >> because we don't agree with it. >> >> Gordon >> >> >> In a message dated 3/31/2011 2:54:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> mmilto...@yahoo.com writes: >> >> >> >> >> >> So you are suggesting that read every shit that is published and not use >> your brain !!! What will read the book alone do? If you are for real, then >> you have to check the sources. >> >> >> As far as I am concerned I stand by my statement "If there was any truth >> to this, British would have ruined Mahatma and taken advantage of the same, >> We might even be not independent today". >> >> >> Be careful Independence does not mean stupidity nor lack of guard in >> accepting everything that you come across. >> >> >> Mike. >> >> >> >> From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay >> To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 5:09:09 AM >> Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >> builder, and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the image >> of >> the mahatma >> >> >> The point is, I just procured and read the book so that I can make up >> my own mind. And this is what I find: we are all screaming because >> some nitwit reviewer had to sell his/her copy and therefore came up >> with what can safely be termed COMPLETE BULLSHIT. The book is nothing >> that the review claims and t
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Is he saying "shut up" because he disagrees with a point of view? Or is he saying "shut up" because all the comments are based on reviews in the Western media (even a normally staid and boring outlet like the WSJ)? Has anyone (other than Aditya) even read the book first? If Lelyveld has accessed the Gandhi-Kallenbach letters from the Sabarmati Ashram per Ms. De http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/politically-incorrect/entry/mahatma-a-gay-icon-why-not is it our discomfort with confronting or better yet inability to understand Gandhiji's thoughts about transparency per Mr. Kulkarni http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mahatmas-sexuality/770836/0 that causes this outrage? And the incredibly stupid and politically loaded decisions to ban a book that nobody has even read?! --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Mike Milton wrote: From: Mike Milton Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 1:24 PM You say "Shut up" because some one disagrees with your view point Grow up From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 1:38:41 AM Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... Well, the point is that the book just happens to be pretty well written and is not 'Shit'. AND IT DOES NOT AT ANY PLACE SPEAK OF GANDHI'S SEXUALITY. NOT EVEN IN THE PASSING. I took time out to read it so that I know the facts before I even commented. More importantly those who are calling it a 'shit' without reading it are the worst form of idiots who will belive any canard without having the capacity to make up their own minds. They say "an empty vessel sounds much", and these guys just prove the point. They are dumb enough not to be able to read the book, maybe even understand it, but would make pompous claims of "one cannot read every shit". They should make better efforts to at being intellectually honest. Otherwise they should just shut up. Best, Aditya Bondyopadhyay On 4/1/11, nirb...@aol.com wrote: > Nobody has the time to read "every shit that is published!!!" > > BUT we should NOT censor, nor ban a book, movie, newspaper, cartoon, just > because we don't agree with it. > > Gordon > > > In a message dated 3/31/2011 2:54:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > mmilto...@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > So you are suggesting that read every shit that is published and not use > your brain !!! What will read the book alone do? If you are for real, then > you have to check the sources. > > > As far as I am concerned I stand by my statement "If there was any truth > to this, British would have ruined Mahatma and taken advantage of the same, > We might even be not independent today". > > > Be careful Independence does not mean stupidity nor lack of guard in > accepting everything that you come across. > > > Mike. > > > > From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay > To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 5:09:09 AM > Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > builder, and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the image > of > the mahatma > > > The point is, I just procured and read the book so that I can make up > my own mind. And this is what I find: we are all screaming because > some nitwit reviewer had to sell his/her copy and therefore came up > with what can safely be termed COMPLETE BULLSHIT. The book is nothing > that the review claims and there is no indication or even wording > about Gandhi's sexuality. It is a complete fabrication of a > sensationalist and partially deranged reviewer. > > So this is what I suggest. Before you get into a frenzy aka shiv sena, > and start beating up the writer and burning libraries, please read the > book. And id you still have bile left, reserve the boot for the > reviewer for spreading canards, and withdraw it from the writer. > > Best, > Aditya > > On 3/31/11, Mike Milton <_mmilton09@yahoo.com_ (mailto:mmilto...@yahoo.com) >> wrote: >> Perhaps the author needs some to boot him !!! >> >> Bloot, point here is not appreciating Gandhiji's principle ... for long > we >> have >> done that and have given up now too. >> >> Point here is, if someone writes a story about me, I think I expect > people >> to >> verify the veracity of the story before believing the same. We owe the > same >> level of respect to Mahatma. >> >> Does any one his right mind think, if there was any truth to this story, >> British >> woul
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You say "Shut up" because some one disagrees with your view point Grow up From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 1:38:41 AM Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... Well, the point is that the book just happens to be pretty well written and is not 'Shit'. AND IT DOES NOT AT ANY PLACE SPEAK OF GANDHI'S SEXUALITY. NOT EVEN IN THE PASSING. I took time out to read it so that I know the facts before I even commented. More importantly those who are calling it a 'shit' without reading it are the worst form of idiots who will belive any canard without having the capacity to make up their own minds. They say "an empty vessel sounds much", and these guys just prove the point. They are dumb enough not to be able to read the book, maybe even understand it, but would make pompous claims of "one cannot read every shit". They should make better efforts to at being intellectually honest. Otherwise they should just shut up. Best, Aditya Bondyopadhyay On 4/1/11, nirb...@aol.com wrote: > Nobody has the time to read "every shit that is published!!!" > > BUT we should NOT censor, nor ban a book, movie, newspaper, cartoon, just > because we don't agree with it. > > Gordon > > > In a message dated 3/31/2011 2:54:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > mmilto...@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > So you are suggesting that read every shit that is published and not use > your brain !!! What will read the book alone do? If you are for real, then > you have to check the sources. > > > As far as I am concerned I stand by my statement "If there was any truth > to this, British would have ruined Mahatma and taken advantage of the same, > We might even be not independent today". > > > Be careful Independence does not mean stupidity nor lack of guard in > accepting everything that you come across. > > > Mike. > > > > From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay > To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 5:09:09 AM > Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > builder, and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the image > of > the mahatma > > > The point is, I just procured and read the book so that I can make up > my own mind. And this is what I find: we are all screaming because > some nitwit reviewer had to sell his/her copy and therefore came up > with what can safely be termed COMPLETE BULLSHIT. The book is nothing > that the review claims and there is no indication or even wording > about Gandhi's sexuality. It is a complete fabrication of a > sensationalist and partially deranged reviewer. > > So this is what I suggest. Before you get into a frenzy aka shiv sena, > and start beating up the writer and burning libraries, please read the > book. And id you still have bile left, reserve the boot for the > reviewer for spreading canards, and withdraw it from the writer. > > Best, > Aditya > > On 3/31/11, Mike Milton <_mmilton09@yahoo.com_ (mailto:mmilto...@yahoo.com) >> wrote: >> Perhaps the author needs some to boot him !!! >> >> Bloot, point here is not appreciating Gandhiji's principle ... for long > we >> have >> done that and have given up now too. >> >> Point here is, if someone writes a story about me, I think I expect > people >> to >> verify the veracity of the story before believing the same. We owe the > same >> level of respect to Mahatma. >> >> Does any one his right mind think, if there was any truth to this story, >> British >> would have destroyed Gandhi and would have taken full advantage of it. >> >> Let us think before passing mundane comments at least about a great soul. >> >> Mike. >> >> >> >> >> From: Bloot Fontaine <_blutfonta...@yahoo.co.in_ > (mailto:blutfonta...@yahoo.co.in) > >> To: _gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com) >> Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 1:33:14 AM >> Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >> builder, >> and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the image of the >> mahatma >> >> >> I am speaking from what I read in Mumbai Mirror. According to the author > of >> the >> book, he has "discovered facts" about Gandhiji's sexual life from letters >> written by Gandhi to Kallenbach. In such a case, instead of even > discussin
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Exactly what I was saying ! But this state or national censorship ??? NO NO NO !! Gordon In a message dated 4/2/2011 4:36:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, blutfonta...@yahoo.co.in writes: Aditya has read the BOOK, most of us have just read the review. That is a huge plus in Aditya's favour. --- On Thu, 31/3/11, Aditya Bondyopadhyay wrote: From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the image of the mahatma To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 31 March, 2011, 3:39 PM The point is, I just procured and read the book so that I can make up my own mind. And this is what I find: we are all screaming because some nitwit reviewer had to sell his/her copy and therefore came up with what can safely be termed COMPLETE BULLSHIT. The book is nothing that the review claims and there is no indication or even wording about Gandhi's sexuality. It is a complete fabrication of a sensationalist and partially deranged reviewer. So this is what I suggest. Before you get into a frenzy aka shiv sena, and start beating up the writer and burning libraries, please read the book. And id you still have bile left, reserve the boot for the reviewer for spreading canards, and withdraw it from the writer. Best, Aditya On 3/31/11, Mike Milton <_mmilton09@yahoo.com_ (http://in.mc946.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mmilto...@yahoo.com) > ; wrote: > Perhaps the author needs some to boot him !!! > > Bloot, point here is not appreciating Gandhiji's principle ... for long we > have > done that and have given up now too. > > Point here is, if someone writes a story about me, I think I expect people > to > verify the veracity of the story before believing the same. We owe the same > level of respect to Mahatma. > > Does any one his right mind think, if there was any truth to this story, > British > would have destroyed Gandhi and would have taken full advantage of it. > > Let us think before passing mundane comments at least about a great soul. > > Mike. > > > > > From: Bloot Fontaine <_blu tfonta...@yahoo.co.in_ (http://in.mc946.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=blutfonta...@yahoo.co.in) > > To: _gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com_ (http://in.mc946.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 1:33:14 AM > Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > builder, > and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the image of the > mahatma > > > I am speaking from what I read in Mumbai Mirror. According to the author of > the > book, he has "discovered facts" about Gandhiji's sexual life from letters > written by Gandhi to Kallenbach. In such a case, instead of even discussing > Gandhiji's sexuality, would it not be a lot more pertinent to admire and > even > revere the honesty with which he preserved those letters so that his life > could > openly be studied? > Never mind what his sexuality was, he was truthful, honest, open and > courageous > about any and everything! Otherwise, today we would not have known about > this > and been able to criticise/praise etc. > > --- On Tue, 29/3/11, akshay khanna <_xaefis@gmail.com_ (http://in.mc946.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=xae...@gmail.com) > wrote: > > >>From: akshay khanna <_xaefis@gmail.com_ (http://in.mc946.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=xae...@gmail.com) > >>Subject: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, >> and >>the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the image of the >> mahatma >>To: _lgbt-india@yahoogroups.com_ (http://in.mc946.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lgbt-in...@yahoogroups.com) , _gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com_ (http://in.mc946.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com) >>Date: Tuesday, 29 March, 2011, 6:26 PM >> >> >> >>dear all, >>below is one of several reviews of Joseph Lelyveld's book, 'Great Soul', on >> >>which a ban is reportedly being planned in Maharashtra. >>(_http://www.hindustantimes.com/Ban-looms-over-new-Mahatma-book-author-cri es-foul/Article1-6 78973.aspx_ (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Ban-looms-over-new-Mahatma-book-author-cries-foul/Article1-678973.aspx) ) >> . as though 'bisexual' were an insult. :) have not had a chance to read >> the >>book itself, but responses to the possibility that the father of the nation >> >>might have had a strong, erotic/sexual attachment to a man are interesting. >> >> >> >>xx >>akshay >> >>_http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703529004576160371482469358 .html?mod=WSJ_article_related_ (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703529004576160371482469358.html?mod=WSJ_article_related) >> >> > > -- Sent from my mobile device -- ADITYA BONDYOPADHYAY Development Sector Consultant Advocate (Regd. No. F-218/192 of 1997, Bar Council of W.Benga
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Thanks aditya for reading it and commenting it up Am definitely going to get the same now that i know my dollars are not for stupid reviewer of the letters who has tried to add meaning to where there was none --- On Fri, 1/4/11, Aditya Bondyopadhyay wrote: From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and th... To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 1 April, 2011, 12:08 PM Well, the point is that the book just happens to be pretty well written and is not 'Shit'. AND IT DOES NOT AT ANY PLACE SPEAK OF GANDHI'S SEXUALITY. NOT EVEN IN THE PASSING. I took time out to read it so that I know the facts before I even commented. More importantly those who are calling it a 'shit' without reading it are the worst form of idiots who will belive any canard without having the capacity to make up their own minds. They say "an empty vessel sounds much", and these guys just prove the point. They are dumb enough not to be able to read the book, maybe even understand it, but would make pompous claims of "one cannot read every shit". They should make better efforts to at being intellectually honest. Otherwise they should just shut up. Best, Aditya Bondyopadhyay On 4/1/11, nirb...@aol.com wrote: > Nobody has the time to read "every shit that is published!!!" > > BUT we should NOT censor, nor ban a book, movie, newspaper, cartoon, just > because we don't agree with it. > > Gordon > > > In a message dated 3/31/2011 2:54:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > mmilto...@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > So you are suggesting that read every shit that is published and not use > your brain !!! What will read the book alone do? If you are for real, then > you have to check the sources. > > > As far as I am concerned I stand by my statement "If there was any truth > to this, British would have ruined Mahatma and taken advantage of the same, > We might even be not independent today". > > > Be careful Independence does not mean stupidity nor lack of guard in > accepting everything that you come across. > > > Mike. > > > > From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay > To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 5:09:09 AM > Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > builder, and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the image > of > the mahatma > > > The point is, I just procured and read the book so that I can make up > my own mind. And this is what I find: we are all screaming because > some nitwit reviewer had to sell his/her copy and therefore came up > with what can safely be termed COMPLETE BULLSHIT. The book is nothing > that the review claims and there is no indication or even wording > about Gandhi's sexuality. It is a complete fabrication of a > sensationalist and partially deranged reviewer. > > So this is what I suggest. Before you get into a frenzy aka shiv sena, > and start beating up the writer and burning libraries, please read the > book. And id you still have bile left, reserve the boot for the > reviewer for spreading canards, and withdraw it from the writer. > > Best, > Aditya > > On 3/31/11, Mike Milton <_mmilton09@yahoo.com_ (mailto:mmilto...@yahoo.com) >> wrote: >> Perhaps the author needs some to boot him !!! >> >> Bloot, point here is not appreciating Gandhiji's principle ... for long > we >> have >> done that and have given up now too. >> >> Point here is, if someone writes a story about me, I think I expect > people >> to >> verify the veracity of the story before believing the same. We owe the > same >> level of respect to Mahatma. >> >> Does any one his right mind think, if there was any truth to this story, >> British >> would have destroyed Gandhi and would have taken full advantage of it. >> >> Let us think before passing mundane comments at least about a great soul. >> >> Mike. >> >> >> >> >> From: Bloot Fontaine <_blutfonta...@yahoo.co.in_ > (mailto:blutfonta...@yahoo.co.in) > >> To: _gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com) >> Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 1:33:14 AM >> Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >> builder, >> and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the image of the >> mahatma >> >> >> I am speaking from what I read in Mumbai Mirror. According to the author > of >> the >> book, he has "discovered facts" about Gandhiji's se
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Well, the point is that the book just happens to be pretty well written and is not 'Shit'. AND IT DOES NOT AT ANY PLACE SPEAK OF GANDHI'S SEXUALITY. NOT EVEN IN THE PASSING. I took time out to read it so that I know the facts before I even commented. More importantly those who are calling it a 'shit' without reading it are the worst form of idiots who will belive any canard without having the capacity to make up their own minds. They say "an empty vessel sounds much", and these guys just prove the point. They are dumb enough not to be able to read the book, maybe even understand it, but would make pompous claims of "one cannot read every shit". They should make better efforts to at being intellectually honest. Otherwise they should just shut up. Best, Aditya Bondyopadhyay On 4/1/11, nirb...@aol.com wrote: > Nobody has the time to read "every shit that is published!!!" > > BUT we should NOT censor, nor ban a book, movie, newspaper, cartoon, just > because we don't agree with it. > > Gordon > > > In a message dated 3/31/2011 2:54:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > mmilto...@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > So you are suggesting that read every shit that is published and not use > your brain !!! What will read the book alone do? If you are for real, then > you have to check the sources. > > > As far as I am concerned I stand by my statement "If there was any truth > to this, British would have ruined Mahatma and taken advantage of the same, > We might even be not independent today". > > > Be careful Independence does not mean stupidity nor lack of guard in > accepting everything that you come across. > > > Mike. > > > > From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay > To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 5:09:09 AM > Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > builder, and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the image > of > the mahatma > > > The point is, I just procured and read the book so that I can make up > my own mind. And this is what I find: we are all screaming because > some nitwit reviewer had to sell his/her copy and therefore came up > with what can safely be termed COMPLETE BULLSHIT. The book is nothing > that the review claims and there is no indication or even wording > about Gandhi's sexuality. It is a complete fabrication of a > sensationalist and partially deranged reviewer. > > So this is what I suggest. Before you get into a frenzy aka shiv sena, > and start beating up the writer and burning libraries, please read the > book. And id you still have bile left, reserve the boot for the > reviewer for spreading canards, and withdraw it from the writer. > > Best, > Aditya > > On 3/31/11, Mike Milton <_mmilton09@yahoo.com_ (mailto:mmilto...@yahoo.com) >> wrote: >> Perhaps the author needs some to boot him !!! >> >> Bloot, point here is not appreciating Gandhiji's principle ... for long > we >> have >> done that and have given up now too. >> >> Point here is, if someone writes a story about me, I think I expect > people >> to >> verify the veracity of the story before believing the same. We owe the > same >> level of respect to Mahatma. >> >> Does any one his right mind think, if there was any truth to this story, >> British >> would have destroyed Gandhi and would have taken full advantage of it. >> >> Let us think before passing mundane comments at least about a great soul. >> >> Mike. >> >> >> >> >> From: Bloot Fontaine <_blutfonta...@yahoo.co.in_ > (mailto:blutfonta...@yahoo.co.in) > >> To: _gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com) >> Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 1:33:14 AM >> Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body >> builder, >> and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the image of the >> mahatma >> >> >> I am speaking from what I read in Mumbai Mirror. According to the author > of >> the >> book, he has "discovered facts" about Gandhiji's sexual life from letters >> written by Gandhi to Kallenbach. In such a case, instead of even > discussing >> Gandhiji's sexuality, would it not be a lot more pertinent to admire and >> even >> revere the honesty with which he preserved those letters so that his life >> could >> openly be studied? >> Never mind what his sexuality was, he was truthful, honest, open and >> courageous >> about any and everything! Otherwise, today we would not have known about >> this >> and been able to criticise/praise etc. >> >> --- On Tue, 29/3/11, akshay khanna <_xaefis@gmail.com_ > (mailto:xae...@gmail.com) > wrote: >> >> >>>From: akshay khanna <_xaefis@gmail.com_ (mailto:xae...@gmail.com) > >>>Subject: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > builder, >>> and >>>the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the image of the >>> mahatma >>>To: _lgbt-india@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:lgbt-in...@yahoogroups.com)
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Nobody has the time to read "every shit that is published!!!" BUT we should NOT censor, nor ban a book, movie, newspaper, cartoon, just because we don't agree with it. Gordon In a message dated 3/31/2011 2:54:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mmilto...@yahoo.com writes: So you are suggesting that read every shit that is published and not use your brain !!! What will read the book alone do? If you are for real, then you have to check the sources. As far as I am concerned I stand by my statement "If there was any truth to this, British would have ruined Mahatma and taken advantage of the same, We might even be not independent today". Be careful Independence does not mean stupidity nor lack of guard in accepting everything that you come across. Mike. From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 5:09:09 AM Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the image of the mahatma The point is, I just procured and read the book so that I can make up my own mind. And this is what I find: we are all screaming because some nitwit reviewer had to sell his/her copy and therefore came up with what can safely be termed COMPLETE BULLSHIT. The book is nothing that the review claims and there is no indication or even wording about Gandhi's sexuality. It is a complete fabrication of a sensationalist and partially deranged reviewer. So this is what I suggest. Before you get into a frenzy aka shiv sena, and start beating up the writer and burning libraries, please read the book. And id you still have bile left, reserve the boot for the reviewer for spreading canards, and withdraw it from the writer. Best, Aditya On 3/31/11, Mike Milton <_mmilton09@yahoo.com_ (mailto:mmilto...@yahoo.com) > wrote: > Perhaps the author needs some to boot him !!! > > Bloot, point here is not appreciating Gandhiji's principle ... for long we > have > done that and have given up now too. > > Point here is, if someone writes a story about me, I think I expect people > to > verify the veracity of the story before believing the same. We owe the same > level of respect to Mahatma. > > Does any one his right mind think, if there was any truth to this story, > British > would have destroyed Gandhi and would have taken full advantage of it. > > Let us think before passing mundane comments at least about a great soul. > > Mike. > > > > > From: Bloot Fontaine <_blutfonta...@yahoo.co.in_ (mailto:blutfonta...@yahoo.co.in) > > To: _gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 1:33:14 AM > Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body > builder, > and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the image of the > mahatma > > > I am speaking from what I read in Mumbai Mirror. According to the author of > the > book, he has "discovered facts" about Gandhiji's sexual life from letters > written by Gandhi to Kallenbach. In such a case, instead of even discussing > Gandhiji's sexuality, would it not be a lot more pertinent to admire and > even > revere the honesty with which he preserved those letters so that his life > could > openly be studied? > Never mind what his sexuality was, he was truthful, honest, open and > courageous > about any and everything! Otherwise, today we would not have known about > this > and been able to criticise/praise etc. > > --- On Tue, 29/3/11, akshay khanna <_xaefis@gmail.com_ (mailto:xae...@gmail.com) > wrote: > > >>From: akshay khanna <_xaefis@gmail.com_ (mailto:xae...@gmail.com) > >>Subject: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, >> and >>the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the image of the >> mahatma >>To: _lgbt-india@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:lgbt-in...@yahoogroups.com) , _gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com) >>Date: Tuesday, 29 March, 2011, 6:26 PM >> >> >> >>dear all, >>below is one of several reviews of Joseph Lelyveld's book, 'Great Soul', on >> >>which a ban is reportedly being planned in Maharashtra. >>(_http://www.hindustantimes.com/Ban-looms-over-new-Mahatma-book-author-cri es-foul/Article1-678973.aspx_ (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Ban-looms-over-new-Mahatma-book-author-cries-foul/Article1-678973.aspx) ) >> . as though 'bisexual' were an insult. :) have not had a chance to read >> the >>book itself, but responses to the possibility that the father of the nation >> >>might have had a strong, erotic/sexual attachment to a man are interesting. >> >> >> >>xx >>akshay >> >>_http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703529004576160371482469358 .html?mod=WSJ_article_related_ (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703529004576160371482469358.html?m
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No matter what Gandhi's personal life was, he still is among the Saints. What is shocking is that the Indian government would even think of censoring or banning this book ! Free speech is what is most important here. Freedom of the Press. Is India another Iraq ?? Recently there was a book published in the USA with letters and evidence about President Lincoln's homosexuality. The book was NOT censored, nor was it banned. There is a Broadway show right now, THE BOOK OF MORMON, which has a hit song: FUCK GOD !! That show is running to packed houses. It has not been censored or banned. SO, the lesson to be learned here is one of the "separation of church and state." Gordon and Jay ( your Santa Fe connection !) --- In a message dated 3/31/2011 1:53:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, zeus200...@yahoo.com writes: And now we will soon have a bunch of people pointing to all the "evidences" to show he was one of us. Didnt he walk with girls like i do with my fag hags around me! Wasnt he attached to Nehru after all! Oh My nearly all the congressi were men ! but of course women were not allowed ! No Str8 man goes around the town topless ofcourse! It seems absurd that these letters have now come up after being out in the open for a century and seem more a case of someone reading more to it than is there ... but still have t read em and know em. But i do not encourage banning a book --- even if it is spreading mis information as just this leads to finally stopping freedom of press and is a necessary evil of a virtue. Manoj --- On Thu, 31/3/11, Mike Milton wrote: From: Mike Milton Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the image of the mahatma To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 31 March, 2011, 2:54 AM Perhaps the author needs some to boot him !!! Bloot, point here is not appreciating Gandhiji's principle ... for long we have done that and have given up now too. Point here is, if someone writes a story about me, I think I expect people to verify the veracity of the story before believing the same. We owe the same level of respect to Mahatma. Does any one his right mind think, if there was any truth to this story, British would have destroyed Gandhi and would have taken full advantage of it. Let us think before passing mundane comments at least about a great soul. Mike. From: Bloot Fontaine To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 1:33:14 AM Subject: Re: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the image of the mahatma I am speaking from what I read in Mumbai Mirror. According to the author of the book, he has "discovered facts" about Gandhiji's sexual life from letters written by Gandhi to Kallenbach. In such a case, instead of even discussing Gandhiji's sexuality, would it not be a lot more pertinent to admire and even revere the honesty with which he preserved those letters so that his life could openly be studied? Never mind what his sexuality was, he was truthful, honest, open and courageous about any and everything! Otherwise, today we would not have known about this and been able to criticise/praise etc. --- On Tue, 29/3/11, akshay khanna wrote: From: akshay khanna Subject: g_b on Gandhi, his loving relationship with a german body builder, and the difficulty of assimilating the (homo)sexual into the image of the mahatma To: lgbt-in...@yahoogroups.com, gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 29 March, 2011, 6:26 PM dear all, below is one of several reviews of Joseph Lelyveld's book, 'Great Soul', on which a ban is reportedly being planned in Maharashtra. (_http://www.hindustantimes.com/Ban-looms-over-new-Mahatma-book-author-cries-foul/Article1-678 973.aspx_ (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Ban-looms-over-new-Mahatma-book-author-cries-foul/Article1-678973.aspx) ) . as though 'bisexual' were an insult. :) have not had a chance to read the book itself, but responses to the possibility that the father of the nation might have had a strong, erotic/sexual attachment to a man are interesting. xx akshay _http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703529004576160371482469358.h tml?mod=WSJ_article_related_ (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703529004576160371482469358.html?mod=WSJ_article_related)
