Re: OpenJDK Governing Board Minutes: 20011/4/21

2011-04-28 Thread Dr Andrew John Hughes
On 27 April 2011 21:45,  mark.reinh...@oracle.com wrote:
 Attached please find the minutes of Governing Board's meeting
 on 2011/4/21.  They're also available on the web:

    http://openjdk.java.net/groups/gb/minutes/2011-04-21

 Respectfully submitted,
 - Mark



So in short, this unelected self-imposed board has already started to
interfere with OpenJDK by preventing work on OpenJDK 8 from happening
in the open and being subject to public review.  That stinks.
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Re: OpenJDK Governing Board Minutes: 20011/4/21

2011-04-28 Thread Dr Andrew John Hughes
On 28 April 2011 11:05, Henri Gomez henri.go...@gmail.com wrote:

 Concretely what could be done to make OpenJDK more community/open aware ?


Well, as a start, this governance board could stop interfering and
just allow people to get on with writing good code.
The previous interim board was great in that it didn't interfere, but
was there, should any issues arise that needed its attention.
-- 
Andrew :-)


Re: OpenJDK Governing Board Minutes: 20011/4/21

2011-04-28 Thread Andrew Haley
On 28/04/11 11:15, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote:
 On 28 April 2011 10:56, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 So, it takes two for tango, and sadly -as a former FSF contributor-,
 I can´t say I know what the FSF´s true intentions are anymore, and
 that rants like Andrew´s which start by attacking the governing board
 contribute very little to a climate of collaboration or moving things
 forward, unless of course the aim is to create the self-fulfilling
 prophecy, that is in this case, a fork.
 
 I don't see what the FSF has to do with this.

I think Fernando is confused by your email address.

Andrew.


Re: OpenJDK Governing Board Minutes: 20011/4/21

2011-04-28 Thread mark . reinhold
2011/4/28 4:19 -0700, si...@webmink.com:
 On 28 Apr 2011, at 11:13, Doug Lea wrote:
 (This was the first meeting for which we have recorded minutes,
 because we decided to operate meetings as if the Draft 8 Bylaws
 were in effect.)
 
 So have the community concerns and suggestions that have already been
 offered been considered in detail, or should be repeat them when Draft
 8 appears?

They've been considered in detail, and a response to each has been
formulated.  As Doug said, these responses are unfortunately held
up at the moment awaiting review from Oracle's legal department.

 ...

 We (instigated by me) decided that we can't keep producing
 documents and making follow-on decisions until at least
 the bylaws draft is cleared for final community review and
 ratification. I don't know of a better plan.
 
 Sounds reasonable. Is the process for community ratification decided
 yet? I didn't see that in the minutes either.

No, that's not yet decided.  We should have a proposal for that soon.

- Mark