Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site
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On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, DJ Delorie wrote:
Sidebars should have some enclosing detail, such as a border or a
shading, so set them off from the rest of the page. Don't rely on
whitespace to do this job.
On this one, we follow the style of http://www.gnu.org. Looking into the
CSS there, I see that indeed they (and thus us) set a different background
color, alas that color is #fefefe which is white for all practical matters.
I guess this can be considered a bug, so I'll apply the patch below on
gcc.gnu.org in a minute and try to get a discussion with [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on this started. (Viewers of http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/ will still
get the design in sync with the main page there, but http://gcc.gnu.org
will get the background.)
Okay?
Platforms and Testing have bullets; no other item in that list
does.
Addressed by several changes yesterday. Should be much more consistent
now.
Gerald
Index: gnu.css
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RCS file: /cvs/gcc/wwwdocs/htdocs/gnu.css,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -3 -p -r1.1 gnu.css
--- gnu.css 4 Jun 2006 23:24:17 - 1.1
+++ gnu.css 11 Jun 2006 16:23:46 -
@@ -73,12 +73,15 @@ a:hover {
font-weight: bold;
}
+/* gcc.gnu.org-local change: sync background-color with the copyright box
+ * instead of #fefefe which is basically white.
+ */
.td_con {
padding-top: 3px;
padding-left: 8px;
padding-bottom: 3px;
color : #303030;
- background-color : #fefefe;
+ background-color: #f2f2f9;
font-size: smaller;
}
Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, DJ Delorie wrote: Right-side navigation bars are nonstandard. It should be moved to the left side. Don't accept the search engine excuse; that's easily fixable. Also, by fixing the search engine issue you punish Lynx users; the navigation menu is now near (but not at) the end of the text. Is your concern mainly Lynx users (and similar users)? It should be feasible to move the navigation bar to the beginning for these while still keeping it on the right side to be in sync with www.gnu.org. (Which technique would you recommend to address what you refer to as the search engine issue?) Gerald
Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site
Gerald Pfeifer wrote: On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, DJ Delorie wrote: Right-side navigation bars are nonstandard. It should be moved to the left side. Don't accept the search engine excuse; that's easily fixable. Also, by fixing the search engine issue you punish Lynx users; the navigation menu is now near (but not at) the end of the text. Is your concern mainly Lynx users (and similar users)? It should be feasible to move the navigation bar to the beginning for these while still keeping it on the right side to be in sync with www.gnu.org. (Which technique would you recommend to address what you refer to as the search engine issue?) I have to ask, why do people use lynx these days when links or elinks are much faster and better text mode browsers? I just have a very hard time thinking there are many lynx users these days. Gerald
Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site
Is your concern mainly Lynx users (and similar users)? It should be feasible to move the navigation bar to the beginning for these while still keeping it on the right side to be in sync with www.gnu.org. Lynx is an example of a non-GUI browser. All non-GUI browsers would suffer similarly. I don't think they should be moved to the top; that messes up search engines, but the usual alternate is to put a set of links at the *bottom* of the page, not in the middle. (Which technique would you recommend to address what you refer to as the search engine issue?) http://www.delorie.com/web/ses-hint.html
Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site
On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Joe Buck wrote: Also what about moving the News up to a noticeable spot since right now it is down in a corner so it looks out of place. In fact on my screen which is set to 1024x768, I have to scroll to get to the news. Yes, the top news needs to be on the front page, anything you have to scroll down for effectively isn't on the front page. On those systems I tested, include my notebook, things fit nicely in one window (basically no scrolling), both before the revamp and thereafter (this part wasn't really affected by the revamp). This is good feedback, though. Apparently this affects many users out there, so let me see what I can do about it. Gerald
Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006, Andrew Pinski wrote: Attach is what I see currently on the web page, the news is down low in the lower right. Barely noticeable. Ack. Would you mind sending another screenshot tomorrow evening your time? ;-) Gerald
Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Martin Michlmayr wrote: * Gerald Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-05 22:51]: h1GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection/h1 How about a dash here rather than a comma? Looks nicer imho: | h1GCC - the GNU Compiler Collection/h1 The reason I avoid the dash is that, per the FSF guidelines, the title continues with - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation. This is not visible in the plain HTML source, but added automagically on the server. We could omit one of GCC or GNU Compiler Collection from the title, or use GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) or GCC (GNU Compiler Collection). I have a slight preference for keeping the status quo, but don't feel too strongly about it. Gerald
Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site
* Gerald Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-07 11:38]: I have a slight preference for keeping the status quo OK. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/
Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 09:53:00PM -0700, Andrew Pinski wrote: Also what about moving the News up to a noticeable spot since right now it is down in a corner so it looks out of place. In fact on my screen which is set to 1024x768, I have to scroll to get to the news. Yes, the top news needs to be on the front page, anything you have to scroll down for effectively isn't on the front page.
[wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site
The following patchset renovates our web presence, adopting the current style from www.gnu.org and bringing the Java and libstdc++ pages in sync so that we now have one common style. Feedback welcome! (Steven, I've seen yours already and will respond. ;-) Compress the navigation bar vertically, such that it no longer dominates our vertical extent. Move the gcc-announce subscription form from the navigation bar to the body and restructure the lower half of the body into two columns, the left one for announcements, the right one for subscription and search. Disable the old logo and move the navigation bar from the left side to the right side. Adjust the Java and libstdc++ pages similarly by moving the navigation bar to the right side. Adjust the style in those two areas to our new global style. Gerald Index: index.html === RCS file: /cvs/gcc/wwwdocs/htdocs/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.562 diff -u -r1.562 index.html --- index.html 5 Jun 2006 10:46:26 - 1.562 +++ index.html 5 Jun 2006 20:26:46 - @@ -6,10 +6,12 @@ set-var navigation body -img src=gcc.png alt= align=right / - h1GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection/h1 +!-- +img src=gcc.png alt= align=right / +-- + pThe GNU Compiler Collection includes front ends for C, C++, Objective-C, a href=fortran/Fortran/a, a href=java/Java/a, and Ada, as well as libraries for these @@ -85,6 +87,9 @@ /dl -- +tabletr +td style=width: 50%; padding-right: 8px; valign=top + h2smallNews/Announcements/small/h2 dl @@ -124,7 +129,24 @@ | a href=http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/g77/News.html;Fortran 77 status/a | a href=news.htmlOlder news and announcements.../a +/tdtd style=width: 50%; padding-left: 12px; border-left: #3366cc thin solid; valign=top + +h2smallGet our announcements:/small/h2 + + form method=get action=http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/ml-request; +input type=hidden name=digestvalue=off / +input type=hidden name=operation value=subscribe / +input type=hidden name=listname value=gcc-announce / +input type=text name=username value=your e-mail address size=20 style=font-size:90%; / +input type=submit name=submitvalue=Subscribe style=font-size:90%; / + /form + +h2smallSearch our site/small/h2 + include searchbox.ihtml +/td +/tr/table + /body /html Index: style.mhtml === RCS file: /cvs/gcc/wwwdocs/htdocs/style.mhtml,v retrieving revision 1.89 diff -u -r1.89 style.mhtml --- style.mhtml 5 Jun 2006 00:17:20 - 1.89 +++ style.mhtml 5 Jun 2006 20:34:25 - @@ -12,23 +12,12 @@ unset-var XHTML -;;; For the java/ pages, we have a different color scheme. +;;; For the java/ pages, we want the navigation bar. if match get-var env::PREPROCESS_FILE java/[^/]*.html group set-var navigation set-var BACKPATH=../ - define-function nav-title-style bgcolor=#B0D0FF /define-function - define-function nav-body-style bgcolor=#E0F0FF /define-function - define-container h2 - verbatim -h2 style=background-color:#B0D0FF - /verbatim - %body - verbatim -/h2 - /verbatim - /define-container @@ -121,7 +110,17 @@ table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 tr - td valign=top !-- left frame -- + td bgcolor=white valign=top width=99% !-- main frame -- + + + +%body + +if var-exists navigation + group + /td!-- end of main frame -- + + td valign=top style=padding-left: 36px;!-- nav frame -- table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 width=10em if match get-var env::PREPROCESS_FILE java/[^/]*.html @@ -148,17 +147,15 @@ if match get-var env::PREPROCESS_FILE libstdc../[^/]*.html group trtdtable cellspacing=0 width=100% -tr bgcolor=#CCtd +trtd nav-title-style blibstdc++ v3/b /td/tr -tr bgcolor=#EEtd -p +trtd nav-body-style a href=index.htmllibstdc++ Home/abr / a href=../index.htmlGCC Home/abr / a href=http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/faq/index.html;FAQ/a (a href=http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/faq/index.txt;text/a)br / a href=http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/documentation.html;Documentation/a -/p /td/tr /table/td/tr @@ -169,14 +166,12 @@ bAbout GCC/b /td/tr trtd nav-body-style - p a href=get-var BACKPATHgccmission.htmlMission Statement/abr / a href=get-var BACKPATHreleases.htmlReleases/abr / a href=get-var BACKPATHsnapshots.htmlSnapshots/abr / a href=get-var BACKPATHlists.htmlMailing lists/abr / a href=http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Contributors.html;Contributors/abr / a href=get-var BACKPATHsteering.htmlSteering Committee/abr / - /p /td/tr /table/td/tr @@ -185,15 +180,12 @@ bDocumentation/b /td/tr trtd nav-body-style - p - a
Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site
* Gerald Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-05 22:51]: h1GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection/h1 How about a dash here rather than a comma? Looks nicer imho: | h1GCC - the GNU Compiler Collection/h1 -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site
Feedback welcome! Right-side navigation bars are nonstandard. It should be moved to the left side. Don't accept the search engine excuse; that's easily fixable. Also, by fixing the search engine issue you punish Lynx users; the navigation menu is now near (but not at) the end of the text. Sidebars should have some enclosing detail, such as a border or a shading, so set them off from the rest of the page. Don't rely on whitespace to do this job. Platforms and Testing have bullets; no other item in that list does.
Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site
Gerald == Gerald Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gerald The following patchset renovates our web presence, adopting Gerald the current style from www.gnu.org and bringing the Java and Gerald libstdc++ pages in sync so that we now have one common style. Looking better! I like it much more. Gerald Feedback welcome! Since you asked... For the gcj pages I think there are still some things that would be nice to change. Some is content, some is layout, and some is technology. Overall the pages (and the gcc main page is included here) are too cluttered. Content: The what is gcj section is too verbose. It should be a single paragraph, and then a link to more info or something like that. Layout: The font is too big. The news section should be visible when you first visit the page, without scrolling. In particular I think the news should be along the left, the what is gcj? thing in the middle, and the navigation on the right (or reversed if the navigation is on the left... I don't really care where that ends up). Technology: We should have an RSS feed for the news. Ideally any gcj hacker could add a news entry without a cvs commit, but I don't insist on that :). The news column for gcj should come from this feed, and the news column for the main gcc page should subscribe to it. Take a look at the mono main page if you want to see something that looks nice, is clean, and remains useful. Tom
Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site
On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:26 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: Feedback welcome! Right-side navigation bars are nonstandard. It should be moved to the left side. Don't accept the search engine excuse; that's easily fixable. Also, by fixing the search engine issue you punish Lynx users; the navigation menu is now near (but not at) the end of the text. I was going to say the same thing. Also what about moving the News up to a noticeable spot since right now it is down in a corner so it looks out of place. In fact on my screen which is set to 1024x768, I have to scroll to get to the news. The release info should be at the same level as the news. Thanks, Andrew Pinski
