RE: [gecko]Re: [repchat] Obeligz: Updates on Norwegian Gecko Seizure
Well said Neil! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Meister Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 4:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gecko]Re: [repchat] Obeligz: Updates on Norwegian Gecko Seizure Before anyone judges this situation, ask yourself what you would do if absolutely all herpers were illegal where you live. Would you still keep any? I was a herper by the time I was three, regardless of any laws or ethics debates. I was bringing home any herp I found and trying to keep it. I believe there is no justification for making herpetoculture illegal and I find it hard to hold it against anyone who breaks a ridiculous and unjust law. The are a lot of bylaws and state/provincial laws in North America, but most are not as severe as the Norway law. Most of these laws are routinely broken, and in the case of bylaws, no action is taken unless there's a complaint. While I don't condone the laws in Norway, I am kind of surprised that nobody pointed out the irresponsibility of keeping animals when you know that they are illegal and the penalty if you are caught is death to the animals. I doubt a group of people in Norway getting together and saying they'd like to keep herps would have any hope of getting popular support or changing any laws. As it stands, a herpetoculturist in Norway is a criminal by definition. The only victims in this case are the animals who are going to be put to death and the people who are trying to use legal means to have these laws changed as this kind of incident makes all herpers look like criminals. -- Neil Meister President Nova Scotia Herpetoculture Society http://users.eastlink.ca/~nshs Promotions Secretary Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
RE: [gecko]Fw: [leachianus] Getting caught with herptiles in Norway (off topic)
My heart goes out to you Obeligz, this is truly a herper's worst nightmare. Poor Yoshi...maybe the autorities can at least be talked into sending the animals to a zoo instead of destroying them? Reptile restrictions are becoming more and more commonplace all over the WORLD, if no one speaks up now it may be too late sooner than you think! I have forwarded the link the NJ Herp Society and a few other Herp Societies I am a member of...hopefully we can do some eye opening over there! Danny Mendez ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
RE: [gecko]question about crested gecko behavior
The little white bugs are most likely springtails, they inevitably arrive in any woody bedding, even the commercial stuff made for reptiles! They will do abolutely nothing to your gecko, in fact, they are feeding on fungus and mold so I essence they are probably more helpful than damaging. No worries. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dana Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 9:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [gecko]question about crested gecko behavior Hi All - I have 2 juvenile R. ciliatus (somewhere between 4-6 months old) and I have noticed over the past 2-3 weeks that on occasion one or both of them will go hide in their bamboo branches and not come out for 2-3 days straight. I am wondering if this is odd behavior at all. Otherwise, they seem to be fine - they are usually out the other 4 days or so out of a week and are eating regularly. Does anyone else's crested do this? I am slightly concerned over the fact that there is mold growing on the inside of the bamboo, which I do wipe down periodically (but can't seem to get rid of it) and this morning I found very, very tiny white bugs crawling on the end of the bamboo that they were sleeping in and have been hiding in for the past 2-3 days. I wiped the little bugs off, but I'm not sure what they were and if they were just going after the mold or if they were going to go after my juvies. I would appreciate any feed back on this. - Thanks, Dana Dana Chyung 600 Hope St. apt. #1 Providence, RI 02906 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 401-447-9938 ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
RE: [gecko]uroplatus
Although I definitely wouldn't recommend Uro's for beginner geckos, if I had to choose one of the easiest it would definitely have to be henkeli. Make sure you get a well-started cb baby...the older the better. Good luck. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brandon Macy Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [gecko]uroplatus Hi there! Well, at the herp show today i was finally able to get my brother interested in geckos, something i've been trying to do for a while i might add. I was thinking he could get started with a crested, but he wasn't too keen on them. When i showed him some leaf-tails, he thought they were awesome, lol. Anyway...my question for you is which leaf-tail would be good for a beginner? I know they aren't really a beginners gecko, but i would make sure he was doing everything right (i won't have any problems with them) until he was able to take care of one on his own. I was thinking U. henkeli. He likes their size, and if i'm not mistaken they are the easiest of the genus to take care of, correct? My personal favorites (although i've yet to keep any) are U. phantasticus, U. sikorae, and U. pietschemmani cork bark uro. I would be glad to help him set up a cage for a nice CB baby, i think it would be fun. Any thoughts on this? Also, who are some of the better uroplatus breeders in the states? thanks, Brandon ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
RE: [gecko]veterinary links
Title: Message Try www.arav.org This is the Assoc. of Reptile Amphibian Vets. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garrett PetersonSent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:23 PMTo: Gecko ListSubject: [gecko]veterinary links I am trying to find a vet in my area. I have heard of a web site of vet links. does anyone know what it is? Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time.
RE: [gecko]NutriBAC
Diane, NutriBac could help your gecko with certain specific problems but it can also be given routinely. I give it to all of my reptiles on a semi-annual basis and after deworming or administering oral meds. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matilda Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 2:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [gecko]NutriBAC I've been reading about NutriBAC but I'm not really clear about whether or not it's given as a preventative or only if the gecko has a problem. Is this something I should routinely give my geckos? Thanks for the help. Diane ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
RE: [gecko]How Many In One Cage
Title: Message Garret, I personally would do no more than a trio in there but I think you could do 4 comfortably as well. Be sure to provide alot of surface area in some 3+ inch diamter branches. I also wouldn't personally mix Cb WC but as long as the WC has been through a good quarantine period and is parasite-free (relatively) you should be okay. I haven't seen to many CB U. fimbriatus around, every now and then some babies hatche from a WC female will pop up but rarely do you see any nice big CB's available. Many times when I see people advertising CB fimbriatus they are actually misidentified henkeli's. Good luck. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garrett PetersonSent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:04 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [gecko]How Many In One Cage thanks danny, I am going to build a 2'x2'x4' terrarium for them. So that should work for a max of like 4 or 5? Do you think I will have any problems breeding CB and WC together? Do you know where I can get a good CB male between 5" to 6" snout to vent? One Man Gathers What Another Man Spills. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster.
RE: [gecko]my new male S. c. ciliaris!
Title: Message Hey Bandon, can you send some morepics to me at my email addy? thanks! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brandon MacySent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 7:41 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [gecko]my new male S. c. ciliaris! Hey all, here he is! Strophurus are amazing! Of course Rhacs are my first true love (lol, as geckos go), but these guys come in a very close second! i can't wait to get more. He's an 8 month old male. Anyway, i was trying out the macro on mycamera...tell me what ya think! I have more pictures of him if anyone would like to see them! Brandon
RE: [gecko]How Many In One Cage
Title: Message The good thing about U fimbriatus (and most Uros) is that there's rarely any intra-specific aggression so space is really your only limitation. Just realize that fimbriatus really does best when given ALOT of space, my cages are all minimum of 4' tall for my fims. I've kept 2.3 in a group situation with no problems whatsoever as long as there is enough food and hanging space. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garrett PetersonSent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 7:25 PMTo: gecko listSubject: [gecko]How Many In One Cage How many U. Fimbriatus can live together in one terrarium provided adequate space? One Man Gathers What Another Man Spills. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster.
RE: [gecko]Hi too
Title: Message Since we're at it maybe I should come out of the shadows as well. I've been lurking here for about 6 mos as well and it's a great list! I'm a herpetologist at a science museum in the New York City area called Liberty Science Center. There, I manage a decent collection of live animals most of which are herps, but we have alot of native fish too. I exhibit many types of gckos but most currently on exhibit are from Madagascar so naturally we've got alot of Uroplatus, Phelsuma, and Paradoera. One of my favorite geckos there is a 10 year old tokay named "Max" who sits in my office. At home, I mainly keep Corallus treeboas and some Uroplatus and R. leachianus. I'm also the president of the NJ Herp Society and am currently doing my research on Corallus phylogeny. Danny Mendez
RE: [gecko]GGA is so cool!
Title: Message
Yep,
that's it. Minerall is a mineral suppliment that comes in a powdered
form. Pediatlye is a liquid that is used simply for hydration, they are
two different things.Youonly want to use the pedialyte when you
absolutely must...such as if the Uro's tail is curled up and not full and flat
like a paddle. I usually use a feeding needle and syringe to administer it
to the gex, usually at about 10% of total body weight.Since the whole
proceedure is somewhat stressful you may want to avoid it unless
necessary.
As for
the Minerall,I usually "shake n bake" some crikcets in the Minerall
poweder before offering them to the Uros. I've never had any problems with
the stuff but as Julie notes she has, so you may want to hear what Neil has to
say since he is the "leaftail gecko Meister"!
-Original
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garrett
PetersonSent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:34 AMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [gecko]GGA is so
cool!
{I like to use pedialyte...}
So how should I
give it to her?
Is this the minerall your talking
about?
http://www.aaareptilesupply.com/merchant.mv?Screen=PRODProduct_Code=STF-CALCategory_Code=B
Thanks for your help and support Danny.Danny Mendez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just make sure you mist her frequently and get to a vet ASAP to get
those parasites taken care of. I've found that pinworms and hookworms
tend to be the most common. Electrolytes aid in reversing dehydration
promptly...they facilitate the absorption of water. It's what makes
gatorade so good at hydrating you quickly. I like to use Pedialyte
which is a human baby product which is used to combat dehydration in
children, especially during bouts of diarrhea.
If
she's outwardly healthy now, as long as you get her dewormed soon you should
have no problems. If she's younger you'll also want to be sure to use
a really good mineral suppliment...I like Minerall I for
mine.
Good luck!!
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Garrett PetersonSent: Sunday, February 22, 2004
6:03 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE:
[gecko]GGA is so cool!
She looks very healthy and I am keeping humidity and temp at
consistant levels. I also have an appointment for parasites. So
Ihopeshe'll be ok.
What are electrolytes?Danny Mendez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I keep
several fimbriatus andto be be honest on a scale of 1-10 (10 being
mostdifficult) I think U fimbriatus is a 7 or 8,one of the
hardest to keep next to phants IMO.
Fimbriatus
are much more sensitive to temperature humidity fluctuations than
henkeli. The biggest problem with them I think, is that they don't
take the importation process to well and suffer greatly from dehydration
internal parasites. The most important thing about keeping
fimbriatus is humidity/hydration...make sure that big paddle tail is
nice and flat, if it's curled like a paper towel then you will need to
get some electrolytes in there fast!
If your
animal is already established and in good shape then it's prety easy to
keep them that way as long as you keep the right temp humidity
ranges...CB animals are of course much more hardy but unfortuantely they
are also much less common.
Hope this
helps...somewhat.
Danny
Mendez
Liberty
Science Center
President
NJ Herp
Society
Urban
Jungles.com
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RE: [gecko]Re: Pedialyte
Title: Message Garret, No, I use a syringe and feeding needle. If administering it directly like this, you don't want to exceed 10% of their total body weight in one shot...it's too taxing on them mainly because all of the fluid will make it harder for them to breath. A less invasive approach is to simply spray them down with the stuff but mind you it will leave mineral deposits on your glass. I don't recommend spraying it in a naturalistic viv with moss, the moss HATES it...they've told me. :) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garrett PetersonSent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:35 PMTo: gecko listSubject: [gecko]Re: Pedialyte Danny, when you said use pedialyte should I drop it on her nose? Also how much should i use? Peace, Love, and the Grateful Dead Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.
RE: [gecko]GGA is so cool!
Title: Message Oops! Sorry Garrett, yep, that's the stuff! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garrett PetersonSent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:30 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [gecko]GGA is so cool! Danny Mendez wrote: Minerall is a mineral suppliment that comes in a powdered form. Pediatlye is a liquid that is used simply for hydration, they are two different things Sorry for the miscomunication Danny. I didn't mean are they both the same I meant is the minerall in the link I put below it the one you were talking about. Garrett wrote: So how should I give it to her? ( meaning the ped.) Is this the minerall your talking about? ( meaning the link below) http://www.aaareptilesupply.com/merchant.mv?Screen=PRODProduct_Code=STF-CALCategory_Code=B Thanks for your response Danny. Nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.
RE: [gecko]GGA is so cool!
Title: Message I keep several fimbriatus andto be be honest on a scale of 1-10 (10 being mostdifficult) I think U fimbriatus is a 7 or 8,one of the hardest to keep next to phants IMO. Fimbriatus are much more sensitive to temperature humidity fluctuations than henkeli. The biggest problem with them I think, is that they don't take the importation process to well and suffer greatly from dehydration internal parasites. The most important thing about keeping fimbriatus is humidity/hydration...make sure that big paddle tail is nice and flat, if it's curled like a paper towel then you will need to get some electrolytes in there fast! If your animal is already established and in good shape then it's prety easy to keep them that way as long as you keep the right temp humidity ranges...CB animals are of course much more hardy but unfortuantely they are also much less common. Hope this helps...somewhat. Danny Mendez Liberty Science Center President NJ Herp Society Urban Jungles.com
RE: [gecko]GGA is so cool!
Title: Message Just make sure you mist her frequently and get to a vet ASAP to get those parasites taken care of. I've found that pinworms and hookworms tend to be the most common. Electrolytes aid in reversing dehydration promptly...they facilitate the absorption of water. It's what makes gatorade so good at hydrating you quickly. I like to use Pedialyte which is a human baby product which is used to combat dehydration in children, especially during bouts of diarrhea. If she's outwardly healthy now, as long as you get her dewormed soon you should have no problems. If she's younger you'll also want to be sure to use a really good mineral suppliment...I like Minerall I for mine. Good luck!! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garrett PetersonSent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 6:03 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [gecko]GGA is so cool! She looks very healthy and I am keeping humidity and temp at consistant levels. I also have an appointment for parasites. So Ihopeshe'll be ok. What are electrolytes?Danny Mendez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I keep several fimbriatus andto be be honest on a scale of 1-10 (10 being mostdifficult) I think U fimbriatus is a 7 or 8,one of the hardest to keep next to phants IMO. Fimbriatus are much more sensitive to temperature humidity fluctuations than henkeli. The biggest problem with them I think, is that they don't take the importation process to well and suffer greatly from dehydration internal parasites. The most important thing about keeping fimbriatus is humidity/hydration...make sure that big paddle tail is nice and flat, if it's curled like a paper towel then you will need to get some electrolytes in there fast! If your animal is already established and in good shape then it's prety easy to keep them that way as long as you keep the right temp humidity ranges...CB animals are of course much more hardy but unfortuantely they are also much less common. Hope this helps...somewhat. Danny Mendez Liberty Science Center President NJ Herp Society Urban Jungles.com Peace, Love, and the Grateful Dead Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.
RE: [gecko]CF bulbs
Title: Message Chad, McMaster-Carr carries the linear pin bulbs...I know they have a website but I'm not sure what it is...I order from their catalog (at work) which I'm not in possesion of, sorry. Good luck. Danny -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad MayerSent: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:59 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [gecko]CF bulbs Hi all. Was wondering where people on this list are acquiring their CF bulbs? Ive got to replace some 96 watt bulbs, and AHSupply only carries those in the "quad" pin arrangement, not the linear pin arrangement. Ive done some searching, but would like to know who people are sourcing these from. Thanks, Chad Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it!
RE: [gecko]Sources for good moss was debugging local moss for vivaria
Anyone know of an equivelent product in the States? I've had a hard time finding the nice clean, thick New Zealand stuff. I currently have to drive to an orchid grower's place 3 hrs away to get it... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Renee Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gecko]Sources for good moss was debugging local moss for vivaria Here's a source for New Zealand sphagnum, it will usually start to grow again under very bright lighting, but it works really well as a dead moss... http://www.justmosscanada.ca/ --- Neil Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of any mail order sources for high-quality sphagnum moss in Canada? Thanks, Neil -- Neil Meister President Nova Scotia Herpetoculture Society http://users.eastlink.ca/~nshs Promotions Secretary Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
RE: [gecko]Julie's Article in Reptiles
Congrats Julie! Great article! Hey, what's up with the phelsuma's toe on the cover? Beautiful animal by the way. Congrats again! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Johnston Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:35 PM To: gecko Subject: [gecko]Julie's Article in Reptiles Just got my February issue of Reptiles in the mail and found a very pleasant surprise!!! Julie Bergman has written the cover story, with full pics, on Phelsuma. Great job, Julie!!! I recommend everyone check it out. -- Doug Johnston http://pages.sbcglobal.net/scubadug/ ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
RE: [gecko]Complaints Against Petshops
Title: Message Sam, It's important to be non-confrontational. While dealing with the general public on a daily basis many pet shop owners feel as if they are authorities on the animals they carry. Sometimes, when someone comes along and tries to point out what they are doing wrong, this gets mis-interpreted and all communications cease. The NJ Herp Society has printed out a booklet with several care sheets which we distribute to shops. So far this has gone over quite well. Good luck and keep up the good work in trying to improve the lives of the animals that live in shops! Every little bit helps! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:39 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [gecko]Complaints Against PetshopsThanks so much for your quick response and thoughts guys. Greatly appreciated! Many of us here in Canada have seen very poorly managed reptile shops and wanted to know whether if a place existed out there that we can tell this to, in order to help solve the situation. I guess the best thing we can do is talk to the managers or owners for the meantime and hopefully things'll shape up.Thanks so much for your time!-Sam Subj: RE: [gecko]Complaints Against Petshops Date: 11/17/2003 5:19:32 PM Pacific Standard TimeFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent from the Internet As president of the NJ Herp Society I've found that often you can do more good by trying to supply the correct info about animal care as opposed to calling a gov't agency like USFW...this of course strictly being my experience in NJ because our local USFW is so badly understaffed that they rarely ever do anything to rectify a bad situation in a pet shop. They have bigger fish to fry. Sometimes unfortunately, Pet Shop owners are so ignorant and bullheaded that they refuse to listen to anything anyone has to say, then that's when you raise all hell. But as a herper in a state with increasingly restrictive legislation on the horizon I prefer to go the non-governmental route. Sorry, I know this doesn't really answer your question SF but it's more of a comment on what Julie suggests. You can try PIJAC as a pet shop association but I don't really know what they can dogood luck. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie BergmanSent: Monday, November 17, 2003 7:29 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [gecko]Complaints Against PetshopsSF, I used to call Fish and Game when I found places like that. I know my local herp society has tried to work with the local pet shops, you might try hooking up with your local folks and see what they suggest. Pet shops also have associations online, contact them. Ideas anyone?Julie B.Karin Wrote:I know Peta's website had a campaign against Petco for their mistreatment of animals, but not against reptiles in specific.I've heard that there are no animal cruelty laws/rules for reptiles, because they say they don't "feel" pain and suffering. (is this true?)What I do is just complain to the manager of the store, usually, they'll at least hear you out and try to fix things, but you can't really expect them to shape up all that much...-Karin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all,Just had a quick question. Is there a website out there, that you can go to and complain about pet shops that poorly treat their reptiles? And if such a thing exists, do they do anything about it, or is it a waste of time?Thanks in advance!-SF
RE: [gecko]Intelligence question.
I think that without a doubt Monitors are the most intellegent reptiles out there...this has been proven by behaviors both in and out of captivity. In fact, Natural History magazine has a featured article this month on Monitor lizard intellegence and it's quite the fascinating read... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of obeligz Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [gecko]Intelligence question. Hi. In one of the other mailing lists I'm in there was a question regarding reptile intelligence. How intelligent are reptiles in comparison to other types of animals? Are certain species of herptiles more intelligent than others? Regards obeligz ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
RE: [gecko]Intelligence question.
Your welcome. Leachies are doing great, although my adult female GT is a bit lonely. Gotta find her a man before she takes my face off. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of obeligz Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SV: [gecko]Intelligence question. Thanks for the info. :o) Btw, how are your leachies? Regards obeligz -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne av Danny Mendez Sendt: 29. oktober 2003 00:02 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: [gecko]Intelligence question. I think that without a doubt Monitors are the most intellegent reptiles out there...this has been proven by behaviors both in and out of captivity. In fact, Natural History magazine has a featured article this month on Monitor lizard intellegence and it's quite the fascinating read... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of obeligz Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [gecko]Intelligence question. Hi. In one of the other mailing lists I'm in there was a question regarding reptile intelligence. How intelligent are reptiles in comparison to other types of animals? Are certain species of herptiles more intelligent than others? Regards obeligz ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
RE: [gecko]Intelligence question.
Julie, You have no idea...this girl killed her last mate, and he wasn't a pushover either. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie Bergman Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gecko]Intelligence question. Mine got a man from Tim Tytle at Daytona. He is gonna need a few years to be big enough to deal with that crazy broad! Julie B. Danny Mendez wrote: Your welcome. Leachies are doing great, although my adult female GT is a bit lonely. Gotta find her a man before she takes my face off. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of obeligz Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SV: [gecko]Intelligence question. Thanks for the info. :o) Btw, how are your leachies? Regards obeligz -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne av Danny Mendez Sendt: 29. oktober 2003 00:02 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: [gecko]Intelligence question. I think that without a doubt Monitors are the most intellegent reptiles out there...this has been proven by behaviors both in and out of captivity. In fact, Natural History magazine has a featured article this month on Monitor lizard intellegence and it's quite the fascinating read... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of obeligz Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [gecko]Intelligence question. Hi. In one of the other mailing lists I'm in there was a question regarding reptile intelligence. How intelligent are reptiles in comparison to other types of animals? Are certain species of herptiles more intelligent than others? Regards obeligz ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
