Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ospf-dynamic-hostname-03

2009-06-12 Thread Spencer Dawkins

Hi, Sanjay,

please see inline starting with SD:

And thanks for a quick response (before I leave for vacation today).

Spencer

- Original Message - 
From: Sanjay Harwani (sharwani) sharw...@cisco.com
To: Spencer Dawkins spen...@wonderhamster.org; Subbaiah Venkata 
svenk...@google.com; Danny McPherson da...@tcb.net; Carlos Pignataro 
(cpignata) cpign...@cisco.com
Cc: i...@ietf.org; General Area Review Team gen-art@ietf.org; Ross 
Callon rcal...@juniper.net; Acee Lindem a...@redback.com; Abhay Roy 
(akr) a...@cisco.com

Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:38 PM
Subject: RE: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ospf-dynamic-hostname-03


Adding in Carlos who holds the pen for us, Please see inline starting
with SH:

-Original Message-
From: Spencer Dawkins [mailto:spen...@wonderhamster.org]
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 3:55 AM
To: Subbaiah Venkata; Sanjay Harwani (sharwani); Danny McPherson
Cc: i...@ietf.org; General Area Review Team; Ross Callon; Acee Lindem;
Abhay Roy (akr)
Subject: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ospf-dynamic-hostname-03

I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer
for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see
http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html).

Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments
you may receive.

Document: draft-ietf-ospf-dynamic-hostname-03
Reviewer: Spencer Dawkins
Review Date: 2009-06-11
IETF LC End Date: 2009-06-16
IESG Telechat date: (not known)

Summary: This document is almost ready for publication as a Proposed
Standard. I identified two minor issues listed below.

2.  Possible solutions

  Another approach is having a centralized location where the name-to-
  Router ID mapping can be kept.  DNS can be used for the same.  A
  disadvantage with this centralized solution is that its a single

Spencer (nit): s/its/it's/

  point of failure; and although enhanced availability of the central
  mapping service can be designed, it may not be able to resolve the
  hostname in the event of reachability or network problems.  Also, the
  response time can be an issue with the centralized solution, which
  can be particularly problematic in times of problem resolution.  If

Spencer (minor): good point on response times, but I'd also think you'd
point out that looking up attributes on a centralized mapping table is
exactly the wrong thing to do when you're resolving problems with
routing - the centralized resource may not even be reachable.

SH: I think we already have it covered just above in the same paragraph.
(single point of failure)
   snip
A disadvantage with this centralized solution is that its a
single
  point of failure; and although enhanced availability of the central
  mapping service can be designed, it may not be able to resolve the
  hostname in the event of reachability or network problems.
   /snip

SD: I'll call for my eye exam appointment when they open :-). What I liked 
about the response time text was that it clearly called out the impact on 
problem resolution - if it was possible for this to be clearly stated for 
reachability, that seems helpful to me. If I was suggesting text, it might 
be something like:


SD: A disadvantage with this centralized solution is that it's a single 
point of failure; and although enhanced availability of the central mapping 
service can be designed, it may not be able to resolve the hostname in the 
event of reachability or network problems, which can be particularly 
problematic in times of problem resolution. Also, the response time can be 
an issue with the centralized solution, which can be equally problematic.


3.  Implementation

  The Dynamic Hostname TLV (see Section 3.1) is OPTIONAL.  Upon receipt
  of the TLV a router may decide to ignore this TLV, or to install the
  symbolic name and Router ID in its hostname mapping table.

Spencer (minor): I'm suspecting that if this attribute becomes widely
deployed, network operators would train themselves to read the hostname
and pay very little attention to the numeric router ID, so I'm wondering
if it's worth saying anything (either here or in an Operations and
Management Considerations section ducks :-) about the possibility that
two different routers may both insist they are routerXYZ.

That would be a misconfiguration, and the text as written allows the
router to ignore the second attempt to claim the name routerXYZ, but
it would be irritating to troubleshoot a problem looking at logs that
conflate two disjoint routerXYZ routers. I'm not a router guy, so I
don't know what other responses might be appropriate - I don't think
you'd declare an error for a perfectly good next-hop who's confused
about its hostname, and I don't know if suggesting that this be SNMP
TRAPped would make sense - but you guys would be the right ones to
suggest an appropriate response.

SH: This is a mis-configuration issue. Network Administrators need to be
careful while configuring hostnames on the 

Re: [Gen-art] review of draft-ietf-pce-monitoring-04.txt

2009-06-12 Thread JP Vasseur
Here you are, the new revision addressing all Gen-art review comments  
has been posted.


Many Thanks.

JP.

On May 28, 2009, at 9:47 PM, Ross Callon wrote:


Last call is over. Please respin (I see the most recent version dated
January 2009).

thanks, Ross

-Original Message-
From: JP Vasseur [mailto:jvass...@cisco.com]
Sent: 28 April 2009 01:37
To: Ross Callon
Cc: Francis Dupont; General Area Review Team; JP Vasseur; Jean-Louis  
Le

Roux; y.ikej...@ntt.com
Subject: Re: review of draft-ietf-pce-monitoring-04.txt

Ah yes, I thought the IETF LC was ended. Will respin right after that.

Thanks Ross.

JP.


On Apr 25, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Ross Callon wrote:

You need to wait for the IETF last call to end before respinning.  
Once

the IETF last call ends, then yes please respin.

Thanks, Ross

-Original Message-
From: JP Vasseur [mailto:jvass...@cisco.com]
Sent: 24 April 2009 02:05
To: Francis Dupont; Ross Callon
Cc: General Area Review Team; JP Vasseur; Jean-Louis Le Roux;
y.ikej...@ntt.com
Subject: Re: review of draft-ietf-pce-monitoring-04.txt

Many Thanks Francis.

Ross, do you want me to address those comments and respin ?

Thanks.

JP.

On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:46 PM, Francis Dupont wrote:


I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART)
reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see
http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html).

Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call  
comments

you may receive.

Document: draft-ietf-pce-monitoring-04.txt
Reviewer: Francis Dupont
Review Date: 2009-04-22
IETF LC End Date: 2009-04-27
IESG Telechat date: unknown

Summary: Not Ready

Major issues: none but some minor issues which should need another
cycle.

Minor issues:
- 1 page 5: as the PCReq/PCReq seem to come from nowhere in 3.1
page 8
IMHO it is the right place to introduce them, for instance (it  
should
be hard to be simpler) add after the first path computation  
request

the comment (PCReq message). Perhaps this is not the right thing
but it should be clear from the introduction the document both
specifies
new messages and new objects, and these new objects can be used in
PCReq/PCRep too.

- 4.1 page 12: incompatible requirement There SHOULD NOT be more
than one instance of the MONITORING object with PCRep syntax
(response-list)

- 4.1 page 13: even if MONITORING object has no optional TLV
currently defined, the format of these TLVs must be specified.
I propose the PCEP generic TLV format, RFC 5440 7.1.

- 4.3 page 16: the variance of time is a squared time. I propose to
switch to standard deviation (ecart type in French, the square root
of the variance)

- 8.6 page 23: CONGESTION object has no defined flag.
(this is not editorial because of IANA review/processing)

Nits/editorial comments:
- Abstract page 2 is in one block, I suggest to insert a line break
before In PCE-based

- Requirements Language page 2 should be moved in the terminology
section

- ToC page 3 / 8.3 page 21: New Error-Type and Error-Values -
New Error-Values

- ToC page 3 and 10 page 23: Acknowledgements - Acknowledgments

- 1 page 4: IGP - Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP)

- 1 page 4: troubeshooting - troubleshooting

- 1 page 4: more than one PCE is - are?

- 1 page 4: BRPC - Backward Recursive PCE-based Computation (BRPC)

- 1 page 5: bolean - boolean

- 1 page 5: By In band - By in band

- 1 page 5 and many other places: e.g. - e.g.,

- 3 page 6: PCEMonReq - PCMonReq

- 3 page 6: too many in this document (wording)

- 3.1 page 8: insert a line break between:
   svec-list::=SVEC[svec-list]
   request-list::=request[request-list]

- 3.1 page 8: Section 4.2.) - Section 4.2)

- 3.1 page 8: charaterize - characterize

- 3.1 page 9: PCMonreq - PCMonReq

- 3.2 page 11: PROC-TIME and CONGESTION are defined further (8.
[56]).
where NO-PATH is defined?

- 4.1 page 13: choose between Monitoring-id-number and monitoring- 
id-

number

- 4.1 page 13: a wrap back to one is unclear, 0x + 1 == 0,
not 1.
If the value zero is reserved this should be more explicit.

- 4.3 page 15 1): Min, Average, Max and Variance - minimum,  
maximum,

average and variance

- 4.2 page 15 2): Procesing-time - Processing-time

- 4.4 page 17: currently defined: - currently defined.

- 6 page 18: value=Reception of an unacceptable number of unknown
PCEP message. - value=5 Reception of an unacceptable number of
unrecognized PCEP message.
(i.e., put the reason value and correct meaning with a closing ,
BTW there are two occurrences to fix)

- 6 page 19: in the next hop PCE: such next-hop choose between
next-hop and next hop (I prefer the second).

- 6 page 19: extra Upon receiving a PCMonRep message

- 6 page 19: carrries - carries

- 6 page 19: Multi-destination - multi-destination

- 8.2 page 20 (last line): are defined in this document. -
are defined in this document:

- 8.3 page 21: as it doesn't define new error-type(s) I propose:
New Error-Type and Error-Values - New Error-Values

- 8.3 

Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART LC Review of draft-hollenbeck-rfc4933bis-01

2009-06-12 Thread Hollenbeck, Scott
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Campbell [mailto:b...@estacado.net] 
 Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:28 PM
 To: Hollenbeck, Scott; General Area Review Team
 Cc: Alexey Melnikov; Chris Newman; i...@ietf.org
 Subject: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-hollenbeck-rfc4933bis-01
 
 I have been selected as the General Area Review Team 
 (Gen-ART) reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, 
 please see http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html).
 
 Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call 
 comments you may receive.
 
 Document: draft-hollenbeck-rfc4933bis-01
 Reviewer: Ben Campbell
 Review Date: 2009-06-11
 IETF LC End Date: 2009-06-11
 IESG Telechat date: (if known)
 
 Summary:  This draft is ready for publication as a full standard.
 
 Note: The LC announcement mentions an implementation report 
 at http://www.ietf.org/IESG/implementation.html
   . If there is in fact a report there for this draft, I did 
 not find it.

The implementation report that was submitted when RFC 3733 (an earlier
version of the document) was considered for publication as a draft
standard can be found here:

http://www.ietf.org/IESG/Implementations/RFCs3730-3734_implem.txt

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Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART LC Review of draft-hollenbeck-rfc4933bis-01

2009-06-12 Thread Ben Campbell


On Jun 12, 2009, at 7:27 AM, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote:

Note: The LC announcement mentions an implementation report
at http://www.ietf.org/IESG/implementation.html
 . If there is in fact a report there for this draft, I did
not find it.


The implementation report that was submitted when RFC 3733 (an earlier
version of the document) was considered for publication as a draft
standard can be found here:

http://www.ietf.org/IESG/Implementations/RFCs3730-3734_implem.txt

-Scott-


Ah, sorry, I did not think to look under the old RFC name. I withdraw  
the comment.


Thanks!

Ben.


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[Gen-art] Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-frwk-10.txt

2009-06-12 Thread Sean Turner

I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer
for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see
http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html). Please resolve
these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive.

Document: draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-frwk-10.txt
Reviewer: Sean Turner
Review Date: 2009-06-09
IETF LC End Date: 2009-06-16
IESG Telechat date: (not known)

Summary: This draft is basically ready for publication (informational
with no RFC 2119 requirements terminology), but has nits that should be
fixed before publication.

I ran it through ID-nits:
- is a pre-5378 disclaimer needed?
- draft-ietf-pce-brpc has been published as RFC 5441
- draft-ietf-pce-path-key has been published as RFC 5520

In 5.1, there's missing reference:  PCEP [  a href='RFC5440]


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Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ospf-dynamic-hostname-03

2009-06-12 Thread Carlos Pignataro
Hi Spencer,

Thank you for your review, please see inline.

On 6/12/2009 6:24 AM, Spencer Dawkins wrote:
 Hi, Sanjay,
 
 please see inline starting with SD:
 
 And thanks for a quick response (before I leave for vacation today).
 
 Spencer
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Sanjay Harwani (sharwani) sharw...@cisco.com
 To: Spencer Dawkins spen...@wonderhamster.org; Subbaiah Venkata 
 svenk...@google.com; Danny McPherson da...@tcb.net; Carlos Pignataro 
 (cpignata) cpign...@cisco.com
 Cc: i...@ietf.org; General Area Review Team gen-art@ietf.org; Ross 
 Callon rcal...@juniper.net; Acee Lindem a...@redback.com; Abhay Roy 
 (akr) a...@cisco.com
 Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:38 PM
 Subject: RE: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ospf-dynamic-hostname-03
 
 
 Adding in Carlos who holds the pen for us, Please see inline starting
 with SH:
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Spencer Dawkins [mailto:spen...@wonderhamster.org]
 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 3:55 AM
 To: Subbaiah Venkata; Sanjay Harwani (sharwani); Danny McPherson
 Cc: i...@ietf.org; General Area Review Team; Ross Callon; Acee Lindem;
 Abhay Roy (akr)
 Subject: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ospf-dynamic-hostname-03
 
 I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer
 for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see
 http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html).
 
 Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments
 you may receive.
 
 Document: draft-ietf-ospf-dynamic-hostname-03
 Reviewer: Spencer Dawkins
 Review Date: 2009-06-11
 IETF LC End Date: 2009-06-16
 IESG Telechat date: (not known)
 
 Summary: This document is almost ready for publication as a Proposed
 Standard. I identified two minor issues listed below.
 
 2.  Possible solutions
 
Another approach is having a centralized location where the name-to-
Router ID mapping can be kept.  DNS can be used for the same.  A
disadvantage with this centralized solution is that its a single
 
 Spencer (nit): s/its/it's/

Ack -- fixed in the working copy.

 
point of failure; and although enhanced availability of the central
mapping service can be designed, it may not be able to resolve the
hostname in the event of reachability or network problems.  Also, the
response time can be an issue with the centralized solution, which
can be particularly problematic in times of problem resolution.  If
 
 Spencer (minor): good point on response times, but I'd also think you'd
 point out that looking up attributes on a centralized mapping table is
 exactly the wrong thing to do when you're resolving problems with
 routing - the centralized resource may not even be reachable.
 
 SH: I think we already have it covered just above in the same paragraph.
 (single point of failure)
 snip
  A disadvantage with this centralized solution is that its a
 single
point of failure; and although enhanced availability of the central
mapping service can be designed, it may not be able to resolve the
hostname in the event of reachability or network problems.
 /snip
 
 SD: I'll call for my eye exam appointment when they open :-). What I liked 
 about the response time text was that it clearly called out the impact on 
 problem resolution - if it was possible for this to be clearly stated for 
 reachability, that seems helpful to me. If I was suggesting text, it might 
 be something like:
 
 SD: A disadvantage with this centralized solution is that it's a single 
 point of failure; and although enhanced availability of the central mapping 
 service can be designed, it may not be able to resolve the hostname in the 
 event of reachability or network problems, which can be particularly 
 problematic in times of problem resolution. Also, the response time can be 
 an issue with the centralized solution, which can be equally problematic.
 

I think this text improves the paragraph. It is a very subtle (surgical)
change, but it highlights and emphasizes the impact on problem
resolution for both reachability and response time. Thanks for the
suggestion.
[Authors: change made in the working copy, let me know if other suggestions]


 3.  Implementation
 
The Dynamic Hostname TLV (see Section 3.1) is OPTIONAL.  Upon receipt
of the TLV a router may decide to ignore this TLV, or to install the
symbolic name and Router ID in its hostname mapping table.
 
 Spencer (minor): I'm suspecting that if this attribute becomes widely
 deployed, network operators would train themselves to read the hostname
 and pay very little attention to the numeric router ID, so I'm wondering
 if it's worth saying anything (either here or in an Operations and
 Management Considerations section ducks :-) about the possibility that
 two different routers may both insist they are routerXYZ.
 
 That would be a misconfiguration, and the text as written allows the
 router to ignore the second attempt to claim the name routerXYZ, but
 it would be 

Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ospf-dynamic-hostname-03

2009-06-12 Thread Spencer Dawkins

Hi, Carlos,

Both of your proposed issue resolutions work for me (and I agree about 
putting the duplicated hostname note in the Security Considerations section, 
and not in Section 3).


Thanks,

Spencer

- Original Message - 
From: Carlos Pignataro cpign...@cisco.com

To: Spencer Dawkins spen...@wonderhamster.org
Cc: Sanjay Harwani (sharwani) sharw...@cisco.com; Subbaiah Venkata 
svenk...@google.com; Danny McPherson da...@tcb.net; i...@ietf.org; 
General Area Review Team gen-art@ietf.org; Ross Callon 
rcal...@juniper.net; Acee Lindem a...@redback.com; Abhay Roy (akr) 
a...@cisco.com

Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ospf-dynamic-hostname-03



Hi Spencer,

Thank you for your review, please see inline.

On 6/12/2009 6:24 AM, Spencer Dawkins wrote:

Hi, Sanjay,

please see inline starting with SD:

And thanks for a quick response (before I leave for vacation today).

Spencer

- Original Message - 
From: Sanjay Harwani (sharwani) sharw...@cisco.com

To: Spencer Dawkins spen...@wonderhamster.org; Subbaiah Venkata
svenk...@google.com; Danny McPherson da...@tcb.net; Carlos 
Pignataro

(cpignata) cpign...@cisco.com
Cc: i...@ietf.org; General Area Review Team gen-art@ietf.org; Ross
Callon rcal...@juniper.net; Acee Lindem a...@redback.com; Abhay 
Roy

(akr) a...@cisco.com
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:38 PM
Subject: RE: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ospf-dynamic-hostname-03


Adding in Carlos who holds the pen for us, Please see inline starting
with SH:

-Original Message-
From: Spencer Dawkins [mailto:spen...@wonderhamster.org]
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 3:55 AM
To: Subbaiah Venkata; Sanjay Harwani (sharwani); Danny McPherson
Cc: i...@ietf.org; General Area Review Team; Ross Callon; Acee Lindem;
Abhay Roy (akr)
Subject: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ospf-dynamic-hostname-03

I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer
for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see
http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html).

Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments
you may receive.

Document: draft-ietf-ospf-dynamic-hostname-03
Reviewer: Spencer Dawkins
Review Date: 2009-06-11
IETF LC End Date: 2009-06-16
IESG Telechat date: (not known)

Summary: This document is almost ready for publication as a Proposed
Standard. I identified two minor issues listed below.

2.  Possible solutions

   Another approach is having a centralized location where the name-to-
   Router ID mapping can be kept.  DNS can be used for the same.  A
   disadvantage with this centralized solution is that its a single

Spencer (nit): s/its/it's/


Ack -- fixed in the working copy.



   point of failure; and although enhanced availability of the central
   mapping service can be designed, it may not be able to resolve the
   hostname in the event of reachability or network problems.  Also, the
   response time can be an issue with the centralized solution, which
   can be particularly problematic in times of problem resolution.  If

Spencer (minor): good point on response times, but I'd also think you'd
point out that looking up attributes on a centralized mapping table is
exactly the wrong thing to do when you're resolving problems with
routing - the centralized resource may not even be reachable.

SH: I think we already have it covered just above in the same paragraph.
(single point of failure)
snip
 A disadvantage with this centralized solution is that its a
single
   point of failure; and although enhanced availability of the central
   mapping service can be designed, it may not be able to resolve the
   hostname in the event of reachability or network problems.
/snip

SD: I'll call for my eye exam appointment when they open :-). What I 
liked

about the response time text was that it clearly called out the impact on
problem resolution - if it was possible for this to be clearly stated for
reachability, that seems helpful to me. If I was suggesting text, it 
might

be something like:

SD: A disadvantage with this centralized solution is that it's a single
point of failure; and although enhanced availability of the central 
mapping
service can be designed, it may not be able to resolve the hostname in 
the

event of reachability or network problems, which can be particularly
problematic in times of problem resolution. Also, the response time can 
be

an issue with the centralized solution, which can be equally problematic.



I think this text improves the paragraph. It is a very subtle (surgical)
change, but it highlights and emphasizes the impact on problem
resolution for both reachability and response time. Thanks for the
suggestion.
[Authors: change made in the working copy, let me know if other 
suggestions]




3.  Implementation

   The Dynamic Hostname TLV (see Section 3.1) is OPTIONAL.  Upon receipt
   of the TLV a router may decide to ignore this TLV, or to install the
   symbolic 

Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ospf-dynamic-hostname-03

2009-06-12 Thread Carlos Pignataro
Hi Spencer,

Thanks for your review, we've make these changes for the next (post-IETF
LC) revision.

Thanks,

-- Carlos.

On 6/12/2009 3:22 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote:
 Hi, Carlos,
 
 Both of your proposed issue resolutions work for me (and I agree about 
 putting the duplicated hostname note in the Security Considerations section, 
 and not in Section 3).
 
 Thanks,
 
 Spencer
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Carlos Pignataro cpign...@cisco.com
 To: Spencer Dawkins spen...@wonderhamster.org
 Cc: Sanjay Harwani (sharwani) sharw...@cisco.com; Subbaiah Venkata 
 svenk...@google.com; Danny McPherson da...@tcb.net; i...@ietf.org; 
 General Area Review Team gen-art@ietf.org; Ross Callon 
 rcal...@juniper.net; Acee Lindem a...@redback.com; Abhay Roy (akr) 
 a...@cisco.com
 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:29 AM
 Subject: Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ospf-dynamic-hostname-03
 
 
 Hi Spencer,

 Thank you for your review, please see inline.

 On 6/12/2009 6:24 AM, Spencer Dawkins wrote:
 Hi, Sanjay,

 please see inline starting with SD:

 And thanks for a quick response (before I leave for vacation today).

 Spencer

 - Original Message - 
 From: Sanjay Harwani (sharwani) sharw...@cisco.com
 To: Spencer Dawkins spen...@wonderhamster.org; Subbaiah Venkata
 svenk...@google.com; Danny McPherson da...@tcb.net; Carlos 
 Pignataro
 (cpignata) cpign...@cisco.com
 Cc: i...@ietf.org; General Area Review Team gen-art@ietf.org; Ross
 Callon rcal...@juniper.net; Acee Lindem a...@redback.com; Abhay 
 Roy
 (akr) a...@cisco.com
 Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:38 PM
 Subject: RE: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ospf-dynamic-hostname-03


 Adding in Carlos who holds the pen for us, Please see inline starting
 with SH:

 -Original Message-
 From: Spencer Dawkins [mailto:spen...@wonderhamster.org]
 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 3:55 AM
 To: Subbaiah Venkata; Sanjay Harwani (sharwani); Danny McPherson
 Cc: i...@ietf.org; General Area Review Team; Ross Callon; Acee Lindem;
 Abhay Roy (akr)
 Subject: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ospf-dynamic-hostname-03

 I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer
 for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see
 http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html).

 Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments
 you may receive.

 Document: draft-ietf-ospf-dynamic-hostname-03
 Reviewer: Spencer Dawkins
 Review Date: 2009-06-11
 IETF LC End Date: 2009-06-16
 IESG Telechat date: (not known)

 Summary: This document is almost ready for publication as a Proposed
 Standard. I identified two minor issues listed below.

 2.  Possible solutions

Another approach is having a centralized location where the name-to-
Router ID mapping can be kept.  DNS can be used for the same.  A
disadvantage with this centralized solution is that its a single

 Spencer (nit): s/its/it's/
 Ack -- fixed in the working copy.

point of failure; and although enhanced availability of the central
mapping service can be designed, it may not be able to resolve the
hostname in the event of reachability or network problems.  Also, the
response time can be an issue with the centralized solution, which
can be particularly problematic in times of problem resolution.  If

 Spencer (minor): good point on response times, but I'd also think you'd
 point out that looking up attributes on a centralized mapping table is
 exactly the wrong thing to do when you're resolving problems with
 routing - the centralized resource may not even be reachable.

 SH: I think we already have it covered just above in the same paragraph.
 (single point of failure)
 snip
  A disadvantage with this centralized solution is that its a
 single
point of failure; and although enhanced availability of the central
mapping service can be designed, it may not be able to resolve the
hostname in the event of reachability or network problems.
 /snip

 SD: I'll call for my eye exam appointment when they open :-). What I 
 liked
 about the response time text was that it clearly called out the impact on
 problem resolution - if it was possible for this to be clearly stated for
 reachability, that seems helpful to me. If I was suggesting text, it 
 might
 be something like:

 SD: A disadvantage with this centralized solution is that it's a single
 point of failure; and although enhanced availability of the central 
 mapping
 service can be designed, it may not be able to resolve the hostname in 
 the
 event of reachability or network problems, which can be particularly
 problematic in times of problem resolution. Also, the response time can 
 be
 an issue with the centralized solution, which can be equally problematic.

 I think this text improves the paragraph. It is a very subtle (surgical)
 change, but it highlights and emphasizes the impact on problem
 resolution for both reachability and response time. Thanks for the
 suggestion.