[Gendergap] Your "Article" of the Day

[Sarah Stierch]

Seems this a reoccurring thing..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescriptions_regarding_gender_roles

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Re: [Gendergap] Wikifashion

[Sarah Stierch]

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Emily Monroe wrote:

>
> I find I'm not really girly girly all that much. Pink and purple used to be
> my absolute favorite colors, for example, but now "Pretty much shade of
> blue" fills a slot above them. Of course, at least in America, blue=baby
> boy, know what I mean?
>
> What I'm trying to say is, sometimes somebody who's comfortable with being
> a woman isn't always going to fulfill the "fluff, rainbow, unicorns, and
> sparkles!" stereotypical of how a woman should act. I don't want a backlash
> in response to this sort of concern severe enough that I feel uncomfortable
> editing.
>
>
I think a number of people here can relate to this sentiment. When I was a
child, one of my bedrooms was white with pink roses. I hated it so much, I
slept in a closet..literally, by choice. As a teenager I was raised by my
father and teal and black were the shades of choice. To this very day I wear
black most days and I prefer "fuchsia" over pink.  But, I must admit, I love
the smell of roses.

I don't believe any of us want an uber-femme Wikipedia to be a tool to
encourage contributors. I do really like the idea of expanding on skin
options, and I do think the option of having a "user friendly" look can help
improve contributions (just like the visual editor..which I have missed a
demo of..twice).

In a fantasy world it'd be really neat to demo different skins and user
experiences with women of all ages - usability studies (like we do at the
Archives of American Art with researchers of all ages and experience
levels). I suppose that will be the only way we'll know if aesthetics,
functionality and usability matter when it comes to women contributing to
Wikipedia.

-Sarah
(and yeah I like unicorns..)

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Re: [Gendergap] Wikifashion

[Emily Monroe]

>
> As one of the females in the male-dominated wiki world, I have sometimes
> felt that I've had to put my girliness aside in order to be taken seriously.
> I also feel that there is a backlash against girly pink userpages and the
> like on wiki projects and that generalizations are made about people based
> on their username or userpage and not on their contributions to the wiki.
>

I find I'm not really girly girly all that much. Pink and purple used to be
my absolute favorite colors, for example, but now "Pretty much shade of
blue" fills a slot above them. Of course, at least in America, blue=baby
boy, know what I mean?

What I'm trying to say is, sometimes somebody who's comfortable with being a
woman isn't always going to fulfill the "fluff, rainbow, unicorns, and
sparkles!" stereotypical of how a woman should act. I don't want a backlash
in response to this sort of concern severe enough that I feel uncomfortable
editing.

From,
Emily


On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Nicole Willson
wrote:

> As a wikiHowian, I can speak to this a bit. Although I can't speak for
> Jack, I have my own aversions to purple girly welcome messages and I think
> this reasoning is seen on other wiki projects.
>
> On wikiHow we have struggled to have professional looking welcome messages.
> I think the worst of it was one that had a picture of a bunny and said
> "follow the bunny to wikiHow" or something like that. So, I think that view
> may have (at least for me) trickled down  even to welcome messages that are
> a "girly" color", since I am concerned that girliness and even just girly
> colors will cause wikiHow to be taken less seriously as a project.
>
> The funny thing, however, is that one of the "girlier" welcome messages
> I've seen (pastel background, '<3') is one that was created by a male
> wikiHowian and no one seems to have any problem with it so far that I know
> of.
>
> As one of the females in the male-dominated wiki world, I have sometimes
> felt that I've had to put my girliness aside in order to be taken seriously.
> I also feel that there is a backlash against girly pink userpages and the
> like on wiki projects and that generalizations are made about people based
> on their username or userpage and not on their contributions to the wiki.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Sue Gardner wrote:
>
>> On 14 September 2011 10:03, Michael J. Lowrey 
>> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Sarah Stierch <
>> sarah.stie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I do like this though (scroll down to badges), not the portraits..but
>> the
>> >> round badges. I'd love to see something like this developed for
>> Wikipedia.
>> >> I'd have them on my tumblr, etc.
>> >>
>> >> http://wikifashion.com/wiki/Wikifashion:Contributors_Needed
>> >
>> > Really I find them loathsome in the extreme; very Facebooky.
>>
>>
>> S funny: everyone is different, and that is fine.
>>
>> I remember Jack Herrick seeming flustered and a little embarrassed one
>> day by a purple girly welcome message on WikiHow. But I loved the
>> purple girly welcome message, personally :-)
>>
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Re: [Gendergap] Dubious talk page discussions (was:Re: An example of clothed model in medical document)

[Emily Monroe]

I will very rarely delete conversations that violate common talk page sense
(ie, talk only about the article, and not the subject of the article, don't
try to contact the subject of a BLP article, etc.). I then put a template or
two on the talk page, like {{Not a forum}}, or {{Q&A}}. Really, the only
reason for the rarity of this action is the fact that I don't see it very
often.

From,
Emily


On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case <
danc...@frontiernet.net> wrote:

> >
> > I don't have very good examples in mind, but maybe user Valorum27 fits
> > the description here :
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sleeveless_shirt#Is_this_necessary.3F
> >
> > He is alone in this example but if there were more, it would bring back
> > sexual focus.
> >
> > A better example is this, which personally I find pathetic :
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Skirt#Sexist
> >
> > And it's the user who didn't want female content who started it, albeit
> > with good intentions certainly.
> >
> > I imagine that if on the contrary you'd let viewers look away without
> > mentioning decency, it would be much better, and more proper to focus on
> > the clothe.
>
> On the other side, years ago, when I saw this discussion (at the top of the
> page), I blanked it right away because it didn't belong on the talk page:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Miniskirt&oldid=115184039
>
> Daniel Case
>
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Re: [Gendergap] wikisource

[Pete Forsyth]

Me too!! I've been doing a bunch of Wikisource work lately, and am
continually impressed by the level of civility and all-around helpfulness of
those folks.

Some of the tasks that take place in Wikisource require a little more
technical knowhow than the other projects, so it's great to have a group of
folks who will patiently walk you through that stuff.

They have a great IRC channel, too -- that one and Gendergap are the
channels I've been keeping open lately. For anyone who speaks any French --
one of the things I enjoy in the Wikisource IRC channel is the pleasant mix
of English and French discussions that take place.

-Pete


On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Dominic  wrote:

> Heh, I see I've been upstaged. But, yes, and John is an even better
> Wikisource advocate than I was on the other thread. :-)
>
> Dominic
>
> On 9/15/11 3:44 PM, John Vandenberg wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Sarah Stierch
>  wrote:
> >> Yes! I have never edited or contributed anything to wikiquote. I have
> >> contributed to Wikisource, and I'm starting to think I'm the only woman
> who
> >> ever has, even though it was two documents. I don't even think there is
> much
> >> of anything related to women's history on Wikisource...
> > Ahhh, a topic worth talking about!  If we want more women in our
> > community, I very strongly believe that wikisource is our greatest
> > chance of bringing them in.  librarians and local studies in Australia
> > are mostly women, and they are usually led by women as well, who can
> > be good champions for our community.  It is a nice quiet environment,
> > the editing tasks are 'simpler', which provides a nice training ground
> > for newbies, and the ability to shine new light on old information
> > gels well with information workers who prefer to blog about insights
> > into old texts rather than fight to have their text added to
> > Wikipedia.
> >
> > FloNight is active whenever she can find time.
> > http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:FloNight
> > (i.e. I am confident you can twist Sydney's arm to help you on
> Wikisource)
> >
> > One of the two 'crats on English Wikisource is a women.  She is very
> > active in moderating the tone of the community.
> > http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:BirgitteSB
> >
> > There are many more ladies who have been very involved over the years,
> > and they usually arnt far away.
> > (people dont rage-quit Wikisource.  Wikisource looses contributors
> > because they rage-quit English Wikipedia, and they stop editing
> > Wikisource at the same time.)
> >
> > If you're looking for a topical place to start, we have portals such as
> > http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Women
> >
> > When preparing for a training sessions for Australian
> > librarians(mostly women) in Miles, Queensland, I extracted a list of
> > women from a book of notable Australians
> >
> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index_talk:Johns%27s_notable_Australians_1908.djvu
> > Sadly the Wikipedia training session went over the allocated time and
> > we didnt look at this.  We have another training session for
> > Queensland librarians coming up soon.
> >
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Hairdresser, hairstylist...barber?

[Sarah Stierch]

Ack! I just nominated somethingand you did also!

-Sarah

(mine was about the 5 foot tall hairdo and Marie Antoinette...)

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:

> **
> Wow, that was fast! Nice work. I think this deserves a DYK :)
>
> Ryan Kaldari
>
>
> On 9/15/11 2:54 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser
>
> Oh yeah!!! A brief history is added and some statistical data about
> hairdressers in the US today.
>
> /cheer
>
> -Sarah
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
>
>> Article started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser
>>
>> Please add to it!
>>
>> Ryan Kaldari
>>
>> On 9/15/11 6:31 AM, Fred Bauder wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Sarah Stierch> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> I searched for "hairdresser" and was directed to barber.
>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser
>> >>>
>> >>> Kind of interesting, that it directs to barber and then discusses male
>> >>> barbers and men's haircutting culture.
>> >>>
>> >>> Surely I can't be the only person who finds this odd...
>> >> Did you take a look at the article history? Would you prefer the last
>> >> pre-merger version
>> >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hairdresser&oldid=238820338
>> )
>> >> over a redirect to a proper article about the same subject?
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Ole
>> > Yes, it is as simple as writing a good article.
>> >
>> > Fred
>> >
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Re: [Gendergap] Hairdresser, hairstylist...barber?

[Ryan Kaldari]

Wow, that was fast! Nice work. I think this deserves a DYK :)

Ryan Kaldari

On 9/15/11 2:54 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser

Oh yeah!!! A brief history is added and some statistical data about 
hairdressers in the US today.


/cheer

-Sarah

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Ryan Kaldari > wrote:


Article started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser

Please add to it!

Ryan Kaldari

On 9/15/11 6:31 AM, Fred Bauder wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Sarah
Stierchmailto:sarah.stie...@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>> I searched for "hairdresser" and was directed to barber.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser
>>>
>>> Kind of interesting, that it directs to barber and then
discusses male
>>> barbers and men's haircutting culture.
>>>
>>> Surely I can't be the only person who finds this odd...
>> Did you take a look at the article history? Would you prefer
the last
>> pre-merger version
>>
(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hairdresser&oldid=238820338
)
>> over a redirect to a proper article about the same subject?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ole
> Yes, it is as simple as writing a good article.
>
> Fred
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Re: [Gendergap] Hairdresser, hairstylist...barber?

[Sarah Stierch]

Hopefully that'll change (I think?)

I encourage everyone to improve on it and watch the super awesome video I
just added from the Netherlands Institute for Sound and Vision. They sure
don't do hair like they used to

:D

-Sarah

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Nicole Willson
wrote:

> Interestingly enough, the top Google result for "hairdresser" is the barber
> article  on Wikipedia.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser
>>
>> Oh yeah!!! A brief history is added and some statistical data about
>> hairdressers in the US today.
>>
>> /cheer
>>
>> -Sarah
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
>>
>>> Article started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser
>>>
>>> Please add to it!
>>>
>>> Ryan Kaldari
>>>
>>> On 9/15/11 6:31 AM, Fred Bauder wrote:
>>> >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Sarah Stierch<
>>> sarah.stie...@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>> I searched for "hairdresser" and was directed to barber.
>>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Kind of interesting, that it directs to barber and then discusses
>>> male
>>> >>> barbers and men's haircutting culture.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Surely I can't be the only person who finds this odd...
>>> >> Did you take a look at the article history? Would you prefer the last
>>> >> pre-merger version
>>> >> (
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hairdresser&oldid=238820338)
>>> >> over a redirect to a proper article about the same subject?
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> Ole
>>> > Yes, it is as simple as writing a good article.
>>> >
>>> > Fred
>>> >
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Re: [Gendergap] Hairdresser, hairstylist...barber?

[Nicole Willson]

Interestingly enough, the top Google result for "hairdresser" is the barber
article  on Wikipedia.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser
>
> Oh yeah!!! A brief history is added and some statistical data about
> hairdressers in the US today.
>
> /cheer
>
> -Sarah
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
>
>> Article started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser
>>
>> Please add to it!
>>
>> Ryan Kaldari
>>
>> On 9/15/11 6:31 AM, Fred Bauder wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Sarah Stierch> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> I searched for "hairdresser" and was directed to barber.
>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser
>> >>>
>> >>> Kind of interesting, that it directs to barber and then discusses male
>> >>> barbers and men's haircutting culture.
>> >>>
>> >>> Surely I can't be the only person who finds this odd...
>> >> Did you take a look at the article history? Would you prefer the last
>> >> pre-merger version
>> >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hairdresser&oldid=238820338
>> )
>> >> over a redirect to a proper article about the same subject?
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Ole
>> > Yes, it is as simple as writing a good article.
>> >
>> > Fred
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Re: [Gendergap] Wikifashion

[Nicole Willson]

As a wikiHowian, I can speak to this a bit. Although I can't speak for Jack,
I have my own aversions to purple girly welcome messages and I think this
reasoning is seen on other wiki projects.

On wikiHow we have struggled to have professional looking welcome messages.
I think the worst of it was one that had a picture of a bunny and said
"follow the bunny to wikiHow" or something like that. So, I think that view
may have (at least for me) trickled down  even to welcome messages that are
a "girly" color", since I am concerned that girliness and even just girly
colors will cause wikiHow to be taken less seriously as a project.

The funny thing, however, is that one of the "girlier" welcome messages I've
seen (pastel background, '<3') is one that was created by a male wikiHowian
and no one seems to have any problem with it so far that I know of.

As one of the females in the male-dominated wiki world, I have sometimes
felt that I've had to put my girliness aside in order to be taken seriously.
I also feel that there is a backlash against girly pink userpages and the
like on wiki projects and that generalizations are made about people based
on their username or userpage and not on their contributions to the wiki.


On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Sue Gardner  wrote:

> On 14 September 2011 10:03, Michael J. Lowrey 
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Sarah Stierch 
> wrote:
> >> I do like this though (scroll down to badges), not the portraits..but
> the
> >> round badges. I'd love to see something like this developed for
> Wikipedia.
> >> I'd have them on my tumblr, etc.
> >>
> >> http://wikifashion.com/wiki/Wikifashion:Contributors_Needed
> >
> > Really I find them loathsome in the extreme; very Facebooky.
>
>
> S funny: everyone is different, and that is fine.
>
> I remember Jack Herrick seeming flustered and a little embarrassed one
> day by a purple girly welcome message on WikiHow. But I loved the
> purple girly welcome message, personally :-)
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Hairdresser, hairstylist...barber?

[Sarah Stierch]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser

Oh yeah!!! A brief history is added and some statistical data about
hairdressers in the US today.

/cheer

-Sarah

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:

> Article started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser
>
> Please add to it!
>
> Ryan Kaldari
>
> On 9/15/11 6:31 AM, Fred Bauder wrote:
> >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Sarah Stierch
> >> wrote:
> >>> I searched for "hairdresser" and was directed to barber.
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser
> >>>
> >>> Kind of interesting, that it directs to barber and then discusses male
> >>> barbers and men's haircutting culture.
> >>>
> >>> Surely I can't be the only person who finds this odd...
> >> Did you take a look at the article history? Would you prefer the last
> >> pre-merger version
> >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hairdresser&oldid=238820338)
> >> over a redirect to a proper article about the same subject?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Ole
> > Yes, it is as simple as writing a good article.
> >
> > Fred
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Re: [Gendergap] Wikiquotes

[John Vandenberg]

Kathleen is a great example of how the English Wikisource community
differs from English Wikipedia.

She was appointed as a sysop in August 2008, after only ~30 'user
talk' messages, and only 5 'talk' messages.

http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&target=Kathleen.wright5&namespace=1
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Administrators/Archives/Kathleen.wright5

(note that we have annual re-confirmation of sysop status)

In the last three years since becoming a sysop, Kathleen has only
needed to block five people and delete 100 pages, and that is
sufficient reason for her to keep the tools in our quiet backwater of
the wiki world.

http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&user=Kathleen.wright5
http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&limit=100&type=delete&user=Kathleen.wright5

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Re: [Gendergap] wikisource

[Dominic]

Heh, I see I've been upstaged. But, yes, and John is an even better 
Wikisource advocate than I was on the other thread. :-)

Dominic

On 9/15/11 3:44 PM, John Vandenberg wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Sarah Stierch  
> wrote:
>> Yes! I have never edited or contributed anything to wikiquote. I have
>> contributed to Wikisource, and I'm starting to think I'm the only woman who
>> ever has, even though it was two documents. I don't even think there is much
>> of anything related to women's history on Wikisource...
> Ahhh, a topic worth talking about!  If we want more women in our
> community, I very strongly believe that wikisource is our greatest
> chance of bringing them in.  librarians and local studies in Australia
> are mostly women, and they are usually led by women as well, who can
> be good champions for our community.  It is a nice quiet environment,
> the editing tasks are 'simpler', which provides a nice training ground
> for newbies, and the ability to shine new light on old information
> gels well with information workers who prefer to blog about insights
> into old texts rather than fight to have their text added to
> Wikipedia.
>
> FloNight is active whenever she can find time.
> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:FloNight
> (i.e. I am confident you can twist Sydney's arm to help you on Wikisource)
>
> One of the two 'crats on English Wikisource is a women.  She is very
> active in moderating the tone of the community.
> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:BirgitteSB
>
> There are many more ladies who have been very involved over the years,
> and they usually arnt far away.
> (people dont rage-quit Wikisource.  Wikisource looses contributors
> because they rage-quit English Wikipedia, and they stop editing
> Wikisource at the same time.)
>
> If you're looking for a topical place to start, we have portals such as
> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Women
>
> When preparing for a training sessions for Australian
> librarians(mostly women) in Miles, Queensland, I extracted a list of
> women from a book of notable Australians
> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index_talk:Johns%27s_notable_Australians_1908.djvu
> Sadly the Wikipedia training session went over the allocated time and
> we didnt look at this.  We have another training session for
> Queensland librarians coming up soon.
>


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Re: [Gendergap] Wikiquotes

[Dominic]

Hey all, check out Wikisource's main page right now. :-) There are 
several users whose gender I don't know, but one of Wikisource's 
currently most active editors, and an administrator, is 
kathleen.wright5. One of its bureaucrats and village elders is also a 
woman, BirgitteSB. Inspired by some of the uploads from the National 
Archives, we recently created a women's suffrage portal 
(http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Women%27s_suffrage), which is 
slightly misnamed, because a few other documents from related 
non-suffrage political activism have been since added.


I think several of the sister projects are actually places where it 
would be easier for women to thrive than the English Wikipedia, 
especially Wikisource and Wikiquote. These are small communities that 
have the luxury of nurturing newcomers (and lack the culture of 
competitive patrolling which puts off newbies), have less bureaucracy, 
and have less conflict. We can only speculate, but I think a main reason 
that there is a gender gap on such other projects is just because most 
projects live in Wikipedia's shadow and new editors only find them 
through becoming Wikipedia contributors, and those demographics carry over.


Dominic

On 9/15/11 9:17 AM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
Yes! I have never edited or contributed anything to wikiquote. I have 
contributed to Wikisource, and I'm starting to think I'm the only 
woman who ever has, even though it was two documents. I don't even 
think there is much of anything related to women's history on 
Wikisource...


We were discussing in #wikimedia-gendergap a few days ago about the 
need for more featured images of women and related subjects on 
Commons. I kept rolling my eyes everytime I saw the ATV that was a 
featured image the other day.


I'm actually developing a wikipage that will showcase a collection of 
topics that need expansion, watching, clean up, etc, and/or photos for 
English Wikipedia, which I naturally assume will be the same for other 
languages. Once it's a little fleshed out we can see if it's useful in 
any way. I think it's interesting just to see what we're lacking 
on...on top of the 1009232 other things I'm doing...


-Sarah

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:08 AM, > wrote:


Looking at my wikiquotes talk page for the first time in a while,
I was reminded that is another area women's contributions may not
be taken as seriously.

Example: the deletion in 2009 of poet Marcella Boccia's quotes
from English wikipedia after her article had been deleted from En
wikipedia.

Actually, I just checked and it's not in the Italian wikipedia
version either.  Despite
http://www.google.com/search?ned=us&hl=en&q=Marcella+Boccia&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1


notability in Italian I noted at time of deletion discussion.

So let's not forget Wikiquote!!





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[Gendergap] (no subject)

[Tomas Ayala]

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Re: [Gendergap] wikisource

[Sydney Poore]

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:44 PM, John Vandenberg  wrote:

> Ahhh, a topic worth talking about!  If we want more women in our
> community, I very strongly believe that wikisource is our greatest
> chance of bringing them in.  librarians and local studies in Australia
> are mostly women, and they are usually led by women as well, who can
> be good champions for our community.  It is a nice quiet environment,
> the editing tasks are 'simpler', which provides a nice training ground
> for newbies, and the ability to shine new light on old information
> gels well with information workers who prefer to blog about insights
> into old texts rather than fight to have their text added to
> Wikipedia.
>
> FloNight is active whenever she can find time.
> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:FloNight
> (i.e. I am confident you can twist Sydney's arm to help you on Wikisource)
>

I love Wikisource. It might be my favorite wikiproject.  I met John there
way back in 2007 when I was adding poems by Paul Laurence Dunbar, and adding
children stories. :-)

I need to see what I can related to my most recent women's articles on WP.


> One of the two 'crats on English Wikisource is a women.  She is very
> active in moderating the tone of the community.
> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:BirgitteSB
>

BirgitteSB, is a great resource. She is knowledgeable about Wikisource and
WMF policy in general.

Sydney
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Re: [Gendergap] Wikiquotes

[Sydney Poore]

There is a portal feminism on Wikisource but it is very under developed.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Feminism


See Josephine K. Henry added to the portal by me in March 2010.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_K._Henry

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Josephine_K._Henry

The portal is not been edited very much since then.

I wrote about Nannie Helen Burroughs on WP and WQ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nannie_Helen_Burroughs

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Nannie_Helen_Burroughs

One way to do it is to write an Wikipedia article, upload images to Commons,
add their published works to Wikisource, and an entry on Wikiquote with good
quotes. It is a very efficient way to do it.

I've done it in the past for a few people. It is a great way to meet new
people on the other projects.

Sydney


On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

> Yes! I have never edited or contributed anything to wikiquote. I have
> contributed to Wikisource, and I'm starting to think I'm the only woman who
> ever has, even though it was two documents. I don't even think there is much
> of anything related to women's history on Wikisource...
>
> We were discussing in #wikimedia-gendergap a few days ago about the need
> for more featured images of women and related subjects on Commons. I kept
> rolling my eyes everytime I saw the ATV that was a featured image the other
> day.
>
> I'm actually developing a wikipage that will showcase a collection of
> topics that need expansion, watching, clean up, etc, and/or photos for
> English Wikipedia, which I naturally assume will be the same for other
> languages. Once it's a little fleshed out we can see if it's useful in any
> way. I think it's interesting just to see what we're lacking on...on top of
> the 1009232 other things I'm doing...
>
> -Sarah
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:08 AM,  wrote:
>
>>  Looking at my wikiquotes talk page for the first time in a while, I was
>> reminded that is another area women's contributions may not be taken as
>> seriously.
>>
>> Example: the deletion in 2009 of poet Marcella Boccia's quotes from
>> English wikipedia after her article had been deleted from En wikipedia.
>>
>> Actually, I just checked and it's not in the Italian wikipedia version
>> either.  Despite
>> http://www.google.com/search?ned=us&hl=en&q=Marcella+Boccia&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1notability
>>  in Italian I noted at time of deletion discussion.
>>
>> So let's not forget Wikiquote!!
>>
>>
>>
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[Gendergap] wikisource

[John Vandenberg]

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Sarah Stierch  wrote:
> Yes! I have never edited or contributed anything to wikiquote. I have
> contributed to Wikisource, and I'm starting to think I'm the only woman who
> ever has, even though it was two documents. I don't even think there is much
> of anything related to women's history on Wikisource...

Ahhh, a topic worth talking about!  If we want more women in our
community, I very strongly believe that wikisource is our greatest
chance of bringing them in.  librarians and local studies in Australia
are mostly women, and they are usually led by women as well, who can
be good champions for our community.  It is a nice quiet environment,
the editing tasks are 'simpler', which provides a nice training ground
for newbies, and the ability to shine new light on old information
gels well with information workers who prefer to blog about insights
into old texts rather than fight to have their text added to
Wikipedia.

FloNight is active whenever she can find time.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:FloNight
(i.e. I am confident you can twist Sydney's arm to help you on Wikisource)

One of the two 'crats on English Wikisource is a women.  She is very
active in moderating the tone of the community.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:BirgitteSB

There are many more ladies who have been very involved over the years,
and they usually arnt far away.
(people dont rage-quit Wikisource.  Wikisource looses contributors
because they rage-quit English Wikipedia, and they stop editing
Wikisource at the same time.)

If you're looking for a topical place to start, we have portals such as
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Women

When preparing for a training sessions for Australian
librarians(mostly women) in Miles, Queensland, I extracted a list of
women from a book of notable Australians
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index_talk:Johns%27s_notable_Australians_1908.djvu
Sadly the Wikipedia training session went over the allocated time and
we didnt look at this.  We have another training session for
Queensland librarians coming up soon.

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Re: [Gendergap] Wikiquotes

[Ryan Kaldari]

Speaking of topics that need expansion, there are still HUGE gaps in 
Wikipedia's coverage of art outside of the United States. For example, 
there are no articles for "Mexican art", "Polish art", "Swiss art", etc. 
(not even stubs!) and don't even bother looking for African, South 
American, or Asian countries.


Ryan Kaldari

On 9/15/11 6:17 AM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
Yes! I have never edited or contributed anything to wikiquote. I have 
contributed to Wikisource, and I'm starting to think I'm the only 
woman who ever has, even though it was two documents. I don't even 
think there is much of anything related to women's history on 
Wikisource...


We were discussing in #wikimedia-gendergap a few days ago about the 
need for more featured images of women and related subjects on 
Commons. I kept rolling my eyes everytime I saw the ATV that was a 
featured image the other day.


I'm actually developing a wikipage that will showcase a collection of 
topics that need expansion, watching, clean up, etc, and/or photos for 
English Wikipedia, which I naturally assume will be the same for other 
languages. Once it's a little fleshed out we can see if it's useful in 
any way. I think it's interesting just to see what we're lacking 
on...on top of the 1009232 other things I'm doing...


-Sarah

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:08 AM, > wrote:


Looking at my wikiquotes talk page for the first time in a while,
I was reminded that is another area women's contributions may not
be taken as seriously.

Example: the deletion in 2009 of poet Marcella Boccia's quotes
from English wikipedia after her article had been deleted from En
wikipedia.

Actually, I just checked and it's not in the Italian wikipedia
version either.  Despite
http://www.google.com/search?ned=us&hl=en&q=Marcella+Boccia&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1


notability in Italian I noted at time of deletion discussion.

So let's not forget Wikiquote!!





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Re: [Gendergap] Hairdresser, hairstylist...barber?

[Ryan Kaldari]

Article started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser

Please add to it!

Ryan Kaldari

On 9/15/11 6:31 AM, Fred Bauder wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Sarah Stierch
>> wrote:
>>> I searched for "hairdresser" and was directed to barber.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser
>>>
>>> Kind of interesting, that it directs to barber and then discusses male
>>> barbers and men's haircutting culture.
>>>
>>> Surely I can't be the only person who finds this odd...
>> Did you take a look at the article history? Would you prefer the last
>> pre-merger version
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hairdresser&oldid=238820338)
>> over a redirect to a proper article about the same subject?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ole
> Yes, it is as simple as writing a good article.
>
> Fred
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Re: [Gendergap] Wikiquote

[Fred Bauder]

>> Did anyone see the quote of the day?
>>
>> Part of me wonders if was intended for us.. ;-)
>> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Main_Page
>>
>>
>> Hahaha! ;-)
>
> "Never argue with a garbage truck"
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=iwjLbxLBoM8C&pg=PA87&lpg=PA87&dq=%22Never+argue+with+a+garbage+truck%22&source=bl&ots=kRhR3FpHRJ&sig=W-pIksedCze5OpJzUJ3x_X4KrcQ&hl=en&ei=Vj1yTu64HJD-sQKG-rXECQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22Never%20argue%20with%20a%20garbage%20truck%22&f=false
>
> Fred

"We will encounter things we cannot control."

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Re: [Gendergap] Wikiquote

[Fred Bauder]

> Did anyone see the quote of the day?
>
> Part of me wonders if was intended for us.. ;-)
> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Main_Page
>
>
> Hahaha! ;-)

"Never argue with a garbage truck"

http://books.google.com/books?id=iwjLbxLBoM8C&pg=PA87&lpg=PA87&dq=%22Never+argue+with+a+garbage+truck%22&source=bl&ots=kRhR3FpHRJ&sig=W-pIksedCze5OpJzUJ3x_X4KrcQ&hl=en&ei=Vj1yTu64HJD-sQKG-rXECQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22Never%20argue%20with%20a%20garbage%20truck%22&f=false

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Re: [Gendergap] Wikiquote

[Sarah Stierch]

Did anyone see the quote of the day?

Part of me wonders if was intended for us.. ;-)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Main_Page


Hahaha! ;-)



On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Maggie  wrote:

> Interesting if you look at the Selected Pages, all the people are men.
> Perhaps we need to add more women to the pages.
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[Maggie]

 Interesting if you look at the Selected Pages, all the people are men.
Perhaps we need to add more women to the pages.
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Re: [Gendergap] [wmau:members] Re: Wikipedia: Biography of Living People guide (focusing on sport)

[Pete Forsyth]

Just so it doesn't get lost as we look at the details (which is important
work, of course) -- I want to jump up and cheer! This is a really good
resource, as good and in some respects better than the outreach materials we
developed as part of the original Booshelf project:
http://bookshelf.wikimedia.org

Through the magic of our IRC chat channel, I've been able to see how
incredibly quickly you put this together, Laura -- and having worked on
similar materials, I'm super impressed. It's not easy work, but it's very
valuable. I hope to see more of this stuff coming out of your work in the
Australian sports world.

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Re: [Gendergap] Hairdresser, hairstylist...barber?

[Fred Bauder]

> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Sarah Stierch 
> wrote:
>> I searched for "hairdresser" and was directed to barber.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser
>>
>> Kind of interesting, that it directs to barber and then discusses male
>> barbers and men's haircutting culture.
>>
>> Surely I can't be the only person who finds this odd...
>
> Did you take a look at the article history? Would you prefer the last
> pre-merger version
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hairdresser&oldid=238820338)
> over a redirect to a proper article about the same subject?
>
> Regards,
> Ole

Yes, it is as simple as writing a good article.

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Re: [Gendergap] Wikiquotes

[Sarah Stierch]

Yes! I have never edited or contributed anything to wikiquote. I have
contributed to Wikisource, and I'm starting to think I'm the only woman who
ever has, even though it was two documents. I don't even think there is much
of anything related to women's history on Wikisource...

We were discussing in #wikimedia-gendergap a few days ago about the need for
more featured images of women and related subjects on Commons. I kept
rolling my eyes everytime I saw the ATV that was a featured image the other
day.

I'm actually developing a wikipage that will showcase a collection of topics
that need expansion, watching, clean up, etc, and/or photos for English
Wikipedia, which I naturally assume will be the same for other languages.
Once it's a little fleshed out we can see if it's useful in any way. I think
it's interesting just to see what we're lacking on...on top of the 1009232
other things I'm doing...

-Sarah

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:08 AM,  wrote:

>  Looking at my wikiquotes talk page for the first time in a while, I was
> reminded that is another area women's contributions may not be taken as
> seriously.
>
> Example: the deletion in 2009 of poet Marcella Boccia's quotes from English
> wikipedia after her article had been deleted from En wikipedia.
>
> Actually, I just checked and it's not in the Italian wikipedia version
> either.  Despite
> http://www.google.com/search?ned=us&hl=en&q=Marcella+Boccia&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1notability
>  in Italian I noted at time of deletion discussion.
>
> So let's not forget Wikiquote!!
>
>
>
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[Gendergap] Wikiquotes

[carolmooredc]

Looking at my wikiquotes talk page for the first time in a while, I was 
reminded that is another area women's contributions may not be taken as 
seriously.


Example: the deletion in 2009 of poet Marcella Boccia's quotes from 
English wikipedia after her article had been deleted from En wikipedia.


Actually, I just checked and it's not in the Italian wikipedia version 
either.  Despite 
http://www.google.com/search?ned=us&hl=en&q=Marcella+Boccia&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1 
notability in Italian I noted at time of deletion discussion.


So let's not forget Wikiquote!!




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Re: [Gendergap] Hairdresser, hairstylist...barber?

[Sarah]

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 21:03, Sarah Stierch  wrote:
> I searched for "hairdresser" and was directed to barber.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser
>
That is utterly bizarre.

Sarah

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Re: [Gendergap] [wmau:members] Re: Wikipedia: Biography of Living People guide (focusing on sport)

[Tony Souter]

But could things be downcased unless there's a good reason not to? See en.WP 
Manual of Style and most other authorities. Ta.

Tony


On 15/09/2011, at 3:31 PM, Laura Hale wrote:



On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Philippe Beaudette  
wrote:
That's a great start!

One thing I'd do... our "acronym soup" can be enormously confusing.  I have a 
tendency to write " enwp.org/WP:BLP ", for instance, but an outsider might need 
to see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_Living_Persons - 
it's easier for the mind to parse.



I shortened the URLs mostly because this was intended as a print resource.  The 
fewer the letters, the less likely people are to get frustrated with typing. :)


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