Re: [Gendergap] Women only events ?

[Pine W]

Hi Natacha,

I just now got this email (perhaps it was held for list moderation) but
thought I would note that there have been gender-specific events before.
I'm aware of the WikiWomen's lunch which seems to be held yearly at
Wikimania, and I believe that Wikimedia Mexico has women-only editathons.

As a male I have no objections to gender-specific events happening on
occasion. I think that it's fine to have those kinds of sessions so long as
they are designed and resourced in ways that are arguably fair and don't
suggest favoritism. I would be concerned if such events happened in a way
that excluded certain classes of people on a regular basis in a way that
seemed designed to deny them access to resources or personal connections
which might be of interest to them, if resources were assigned to one group
and not another in a way that suggested gender-based favoritism, etc.

In the situation that you described, setting up one event out of four to be
gender-specific sounds reasonable to me.

You might consider talking to organizers of previous WikiWomen's lunches
and/or the Wikimedia Mexico women's editathons to see if they have comments.

Writing as a male member of this list,

Pine


On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Natacha Rault  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I would like to starts a discussion on women only events. How are they
> perceived and do they generate antagonism? I have always organized mixed
> events, until the first of march 2017, where an Art+feminism editathon was
> hosted by an LGBT lesbian association in Geneva, and I announced it on the 
> French
> Bistrot here
> 
>  (among
> other Art+Feminism events that were all inclusive)
>
> I did not want to impose other rules than theirs on their surroundings,so
> I announced a woman only event for one of the 4 events organized. Some
> members of the community disagreed and reacted strongly (although I can’t
> say all were extremely respectful this is just normal bread when dealing
> with the gender gap) but one  was so stunning and persistant  (he was
> blocked in the end and now has a topic ban) that this generated the thought
> that we might need to reflect more on safe spaces and organize such events
> more systematically, in each conference and each Wikimania,  until this is
> no issue any more. I remember attending the women only picnic at Wikimania
> in Esino Lario and being confronted with a different attitude: there it
> only seemed normal.
>
> What do you think and what is your experience on this issue? I am
> interested to know all points of vue provided they are formulated with
> respect.
>
> Nattes à chat (mostly active on les sans pages
>  on the French wiki)
>
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Re: [Gendergap] the poem gap

[Carol Moore dc]

Given Mother's Day coming up, note that Julia Ward Howe's "Mother's Day 
Proclamation" poem does have an article. So there is some good news!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother%27s_Day_Proclamation

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[Gendergap] Film Dialogue from 2, 000 screenplays, Broken Down by Gender and Age

[Lindsey Anne Frankenfield]

interesting stuff (imo):

https://pudding.cool/2017/03/film-dialogue/index.html

​they also provided their sources, if you'd like to dig into them.​



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[Gendergap] "WikiTribune" and gender gap

[Carol Moore dc]

Just found out about this. I wonder if they'll break down and hire at 
least 1/2 professional FEMALE journalists.


I hope that the most biased Wikipedia male trolls will not be among the 
"community members".


New project for whatever Gender Gap projects in Wikimedia are most 
effective.  (Anyone want to do an analysis of those projects? I confess 
I'm way out of the loop.)



http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/25/wikipedias-jimmy-wales-founds-wikitribune-to-fight-fake-news.html
The homepage of the website states: "Articles are authored, 
fact-checked, and verified by professional journalists and community 
members working side by side as equals, and supported not primarily by 
advertisers, but by readers who care about good journalism enough to 
become monthly supporters."


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[Gendergap] Wiktionary *desperately* needs more gender-aware editors

[Jessy D. King]

Hi,
I'm new to this list, this is my first post.

If Wikipedia is a boy's club, Wiktionary is an uber boy's club. It *so*
desperately needs people interested in addressing systemic bias.

Every time I try to make completely legitimate fixes to address systemic
bias of the male privilege variety (for example,
https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=so=revision=42598962=42598906
)
it is reverted very quickly (in the just-referenced case, within 10
minutes). Then a fight must ensue in which I'm accused of being things like
"dishonest", "disrespectful" and 'railing'. The person in this case has
demonstrated his double standards in his edit summary and in his comments
to me on his talk page, and that is absolutely (unfortunately) the norm
amongst long-term Wiktionary editors.

It is incredibly demoralising. My contributions to Wiktionary include
adding etymologies, adding quotations, all with absolutely no gender issues
involved, yet none of that work is ever recognised in any way, and I'm
treated like a resented interloper. The majority of long-term Wiktionary
editors seem to bitterly resent the very suggestion of addressing systemic
bias. It is a really, really nasty little uber boy's club in there. Which I
realise may not encourage anyone to join, I'm just being honest.
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