Re: [Gendergap] Donkey punch
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Andreas K. wrote: > My wife pointed me to this animation a couple of days ago: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%22Donkey_punch%22_(animated).gif > > It is/was included (there is currently edit-warring about it) in the > Donkey punch article in the English Wikipedia: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donkey_punch > > This has been one of the most viewed articles in Wikipedia of late, with > nearly 400,000 page views this last month. > > http://stats.grok.se/en/latest30/Donkey_punch > > Views? > Speaking purely as an editor... I don't care if we had a majority of female editors. That image is just awful as an encyclopedia illustration -- it's the kind of thing you see on Tumblr or 4chan. Practically speaking, I doubt Commons will delete it, but I think people who feel strongly should just comment on the Wikipedia talk page. -- Steven Walling ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Nice new English article
The "Did you know..?" hook on the Main Page is a little unfortunate, but it's nice we now have an article on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Peru Note the redlinks in the navbox at the bottom of the article, if you're interested in filling out the gender gap in content. :-) -- Steven Walling Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Hairdresser, hairstylist...barber?
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Sue Gardner wrote: > It still needs lots of help though -- it needs non-Western material > added, plus information about men's hairstyles, plus it needs a nice > clean rewrite once it's complete. I might spend a little more time on > it this weekend. Or, I might move on to this: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handbag > Great start. I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hairstyles has some hints at other particular styles/trends to cover for both men and women. I'd also say you should feel comfortable splitting the History of hairstyles into a separate article if gets a lot bigger once men's hair stuff is added. :-) -- Steven Walling Also speaking in my volunteer capacity. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Commons Village Pump convo about "female politicans" category.
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: > A Commons user began deleting the category "Female politicians" and it was > brought up on the Village Pump. > > The user even asked what the point of the category was, which entertains > me. > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Female_politicians_cats_removed_and_asked_for_deletion... > > It's gotten to the point where someone declares the concept of "female > " sexist, and then heads into the way of "but there are categories for > "females with cats" and "males with cats." > > uh huh.. > Accusations of sexism or whatnot aside, I think it's important to understand the instinct for Commons which applies here. The desire of Commonists is to move as many files as possible away from top-level generic categories like "Female politicians" and towards fine-grained categorization like, "Female Minister-Presidents of North Rhine-Westphalia". (That example was a little hyperbolic, but hopefully you catch my drift.) Seeing something as generic as "Female authors" or similar immediately looks in need of cleanup to a lot of Commons editors, and not because they all want gender neutral categories only. ;) -- Steven ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] action item proposals (was Re: Gender Gap IRC?)
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Slim Virgin wrote: > James, that stat about 30 percent is astonishing. Do you have a link? > > Sarah > Hey Sarah, I forget if we put it on Meta in our research documentation yet, but that number came out of the summer research work that I'm a part of, so I will clarify the exact nature of it for you... We looked at the top English editors as defined by the "List of Wikipedians by number of edits". Out of the top 1,000, we searched through their first contributions to see how many were reverted for vandalism. We did this using a regex from an earlier paper,[1] and which works by searching revision comments for the various edit summaries that suggest a reversion of vandalism (like "rvv" or the automated ones). It's not perfect but the error rate is known to be pretty minimal. Out of that group of top 1,000 by edit count and excluding bots, 30% began by making edits that the community reverted for vandalism at that time (so take into account changing standards of course). That's just one rough measurement, but I think it communicates something important when thinking about how to treat new Wikipedians: we all start as clueless newbies, and some of us even start as outright vandals. -- Steven Walling Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org 1. http://www.grouplens.org/node/113 ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Gender Gap IRC?
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: > I think that's a good idea. It's just deciding when...and topics? and what > we seek to achieve in these "meetings", unless that's not a necessity.? > The whole IRC meeting concept is rather new to me, so I'm not sure how > organized/micromanaged it needs to be. > > n00b, > > Sarah > It doesn't need to be micro-managed, but it does help to have a moderator to kick off the meeting, say when to wrap things up, keep track of questions, and try to make sure people don't get drowned in a wall of text (though some side conversation is inevitable and okay). If you want to talk about this further Sarah, myself or Philippe have both run WMF office hours in #wikimedia-office and would be happy to give you more of a primer. -- Steven Walling Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Fascinating new research on the gender gap
Hey all, I wanted to forward along a link to a detailed new study covering the topic of gender on Wikipedia which will be presented at WikiSym soon. The GroupLens research group has done a great deal of work on Wikipedia in the past, and one of their PhD candidates is actually at the Wikimedia Foundation for the summer studying broader editing trends. I highly encourage anyone interested in seeing hard data on this issue to read it. There's a PDF in the link below... Title: WP:Clubhouse? An Exploration of Wikipedia’s Gender Imbalance Link: http://www.grouplens.org/node/466 Abstract: "Wikipedia has rapidly become an invaluable destination for millions of information-seeking users. However, media reports suggest an important challenge: only a small fraction of Wikipedia’s legion of volunteer editors are female. In the current work, we present a scientific exploration of the gender imbalance in the English Wikipedia’s population of editors. We look at the nature of the imbalance itself, its effects on the quality of the encyclopedia, and several conflict-related factors that may be contributing to the gender gap. Our findings confirm the presence of a large gender gap among editors and a corresponding gender-oriented disparity in the content of Wikipedia’s articles. Further, we find evidence hinting at a culture that may be resistant to female participation." -- Steven Walling Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Pessimism about teenager boys
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Arnaud HERVE wrote: > To conclude, i am really pessimistic about fighting an ocean of > illiterate teenagers. I have had very good experiences on Wikipedia, on > very specialized historical subjects that only adults care about, > generally. But I wouldn't even try to convince a boy teenager that I > have a degree in what I'm talking about... > > And yes I'm a male but i really think that we have a big problem with > the younger males generations. From the scientific point of view they > are ok, but from the literacy point of view they are like dumb and > dumber every year... > I don't think it's constructive to shift the topic of discussion on the mailing list away from how we can constructively help women who want to edit Wikipedia. The Wikimedia movement is not going to solve any perceived problems with young men and their literacy levels. And the expert problem is an interesting one, but again, not the same as inviting more women to participate. -- Steven Walling Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] es:wp contest to write biographies of women
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 6:10 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > As part of their celebrations for the 10th anniversary of the Spanish > Wikipedia, Wikimedia Argentina has organized a contest to write > biographies of notable Argentine women: > > http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiconcurso/Concurso_Wikipedia_10_-_Wikimedia_Argentina > They have a list of ideas of missing biographies: > > http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiconcurso/edici%C3%B3n_21/Lista_de_mujeres > > What a lovely idea for combating systemic bias. (This will be the 21st > (!) article writing contest on es:wp: > http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiconcurso). The contest > starts May 22. ¡Feliz cumpleaños, Wikipedia! > > -- phoebe > This is really cool. Do I smell a good candidate for a Wikimedia blog post? Perhaps a bilingual one by Wikimedia Argentina? -- Steven Walling Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Fwd: [Wikimediaindia-l] Women's Wiki Workshop report
_Gender_Studies ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list wikimediaindi...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Steven Walling Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Outreach..was.. Proposal: Forking gendergap
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:43 AM, elisabeth bauer wrote: > I don't think outreach letters, however well formulated, will motivate > many people to try editing Wikipedia. If you know the women you sent > your letter to, why not rather invite them to an edit wikipedia party? > Clear and direct invitations to join Wikipedia really matter, I think, which is why Carol's letter excites me. Who knows how many women who could be motivated to edit don't because they think we don't want or need their help? -- Steven Walling Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Outreach..was.. Proposal: Forking gendergap
Thanks Carol! On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Carol Moore in DC wrote: > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap/outreach_letters > My first draft of any outreach email letter - which I sent an earlier > version of to a bunch of women with no positive feedback. So waiting for > others to comment or come up with different approaches before sending out > such outreach emails more widely > > On 3/16/2011 2:01 PM, Steven Walling wrote: > > > One feeling I've had is that we should do more person-to-person outreach to > women who are currently editors. They're the type that may even think that > there is no problem, because they overcame the barriers on their own. But > we're probably missing the voices of *hundreds* of women Wikipedians > here. (Chaoticfluffy, want to help me make a list of talk pages to hit?) > > 1. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap#Discuss > > -- > Steven Walling > Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation > wikimediafoundation.org > > > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > -- Steven Walling Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Proposal: Forking gendergap: Main list for women and transgender, sublist for male supporters
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:10 AM, wrote:
> men post two to four times as much as women (depending on the
> week), with some men posting a couple times a day.
>
So, perhaps ironically, we're having a problem with participatory inequality
on the gender gap mailing list.
A power law of individual participation is a natural part of any open forum
on the Web. It just seems like, just as on Wikipedia, we want to swing the
distribution toward more women as well as men.
Maybe we should edit the Code of Conduct as a first step to try and
explicitly encourage the kind of participation what we want.[1]
Perhaps guys leaving the floor open a bit more for women would help.
("Ladies first" as part of the code of conduct? Is that joke too meta to be
effective?) I don't think it can hurt to try anyway.
I think it's going to take a lot more than men being quieter though.
One feeling I've had is that we should do more person-to-person outreach to
women who are currently editors. They're the type that may even think that
there is no problem, because they overcame the barriers on their own. But
we're probably missing the voices of *hundreds* of women Wikipedians
here. (Chaoticfluffy, want to help me make a list of talk pages to hit?)
1. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap#Discuss
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[Gendergap] "Wikipedia celebrates International Women’s Day"
Quick blog post this afternoon about the content featured on English Wikipedia, on the main page and in the Signpost... http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2011/03/08/wikipedia-celebrates-international-womens-day/ <http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2011/03/08/wikipedia-celebrates-international-womens-day/> -- Steven Walling Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] DYKs for 8 March
This list of DYKs is awesome. I'm going to include a link to the list on the Women on Wikipedia Month page. And speaking of that... I was thinking that instead of just letting the 8th pass by with nothing, why don't we use it as the kick off day for the month and more long term projects (if they emerge)? I was going to rework the Meta page today, so let me know your thoughts or (even better) just dive in too! On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Sarah Stierch wrote: > Yeah it's going to be a great group of DYK's, my Dana Claxton article it > going to be up as well.. > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Claxton > > I wrote her for a photo and now she's telling me she wants to be removed > from Wikipedia. > > Been talking with GLAM folks and some others about this (so no need to go > into how that works here, fyi)..she's telling me this and she's going to be > a DYK (she doesn't know that).. > > > > On 3/6/2011 8:06 PM, Laura Hale wrote: > > > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case < > danc...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > >> >> >> >> Semi related, it looks like my article about a women's sport (netball) >> being played in the Cook Islands might make the Did You Know. It just won't >> make it for a purely women's issue. It will make it because men dress as >> women and play the game on a specific holiday. (Any help improving >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netball_in_the_Cook_Islands would be >> appreciated. Any help with the good article review process at >> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Netball_in_the_Cook_Islands/GA1&action=edit&editintro=Template:GAN/editintro&preload=Template:GAN/preloadwould >> also be appreciated.) >> >> What an amazing coincidence ... I was the one who reviewed that as per >> my DYK submission of [[Waterbury Municipal Center Complex]]. I was quite >> impressed ... can we possibly get a picture of this? >> >> Daniel Case >> >> > Life is full of strange coincidences. :) I was thinking of trying to get > the netball in South Africa improved today to see if I can't get it up for a > DYK before the article was a week old. It is at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netball_in_South_Africa and is really, very > much a start article that has some huge issues at the moment. It has a lot > of potentially interesting information that could go into it. > > The whole thing is a bit of a learning curve as I've never really written > Wikipedia articles before... and netball seemed like a good place to start > as it is a women's sport and getting attention to women's sport seems like a > good goal. > > > > -- > mobile: 0412183663 > twitter: purplepopple > blog: ozziesport.com > > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > -- > Sarah Stierch Consulting > Historical, cultural & artistic research, advising & event planning. > -- > http://www.sarahstierch.com/ > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > -- Steven Walling Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] NY Meeting Summary
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Sandra ordonez wrote: > Hi All, > > A bunch of us got together tonight in NY. Unfortunately, we were not able > to connect to the other participants who were going to join us via Skype. > (it was quite funny, we ended trying to work from a stairwell in a VERY old > NY building to try to access the ladies, lol, but had no luck overcoming our > technical difficulties. ) > > We had good brainstorming and came up with solid/practical ideas. We > decided it best to concentrate our initial efforts to one initiative per age > group. I've written up the notes in meta. You are welcome to see them, just > be aware, that we just finished the meeting, and the other team members have > not had time to edit the page. > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/NY_Wiki_Chics > > If you have any ideas, suggestions, please let us know - offlist of course. > > > However, can definitely say that we had REALLY good energy and i think the > beginning of something very cool :) > This is great. Go New York Wikimedians! -- Steven Walling Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Fwd: Reminder: IRC office hours with Sue Gardner today
Cross-posting. If anyone new to the gender gap list is unfamiliar with IRC, let me know and I will try to help you out. -- Forwarded message -- From: Steven Walling Date: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:54 AM Subject: Reminder: IRC office hours with Sue Gardner today To: foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org Hi all, Sorry for the late reminder, but just wanted to let everyone know that the IRC office hours with Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director Sue Gardner will be happening as planned at 00:00 UTC on the 25th (or the afternoon/evening of the 24th, if you're in our end of the world.) The agenda is open, and as usual times and conversion links can be found on Meta at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours Thanks! -- Steven Walling Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] RecentChangesCamp 2011 Boston
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Laura Hale wrote: > Rambling a bit and hello. > > RecentChangesCamp 2011 Boston is coming up in March. Details can be found > at http://recentchangescamp.org/wiki/Boston . RecentChangesCamp is a wiki > related conference that utilizes open space. That means the attendees > basically set the agenda when they arrive. In the past, women have been > heavily involved with organizing the event. At the most recent > RecentChangesCamp in Canberra, we had probably 25% of our participants as > women. That's a bit above the norm for Wikimedia related projects, so we > were very happy. Wikimedia Foundation has been tremendously supportive of > this conference in the past, by either providing funding or sending staff. > > This is a great chance for people to get together and talk in small groups > about issues related to women's participation on wikis, how to increase > participation, talk about research being done on wikis as it pertains to > women's needs, to start planning for future events related to women and > wikis, and to network. > > As some one involved with RecentChangesCamp in the past, I've noticed a > fair amount of leadership amongst women in organizing the conference. This > type of involvement in the background, as an organizer, probably isn't > acknowledged or given as much as importance as editing but it can play a big > role in shaping things. Discussing that at RecentChangesCamp, seeing how > that plays out, would also be very interesting. > > I just wanted to say that, speaking personally not as a staff member, that I have always enjoyed RCC and would encourage anyone interested to attend. I actually met some staff there for the first time before ever getting to go to Wikimania, and it's a good environment for having discussions about culture in wiki projects of all kinds. (It's also usually free, that helps.) -- Steven Walling Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Women's issues noticeboard
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Women's views are too often drowned out on talk pages, simply because of > their numerical inferiority. A noticeboard would help. > > While I understand the concern about the potential for drama, I think > any method used to make Wikipedia more gender-neutral will attract a share > of drama. Having an institution to look at women's issues is a pretty > mainstream idea. > > The UK has a [[Minister for Women and Equalities]] (a poorly researched > article at this time); there is a [[Minister responsible for the Status of > Women (Canada)]]; a [[Minister for the Status of Women (Australia)]]; even > Afghanistan has one: [[Ministry_of_Women's_Affairs_(Afghanistan)]]. > > Denmark has a [[Minister_for_Gender_Equality_(Denmark)]]; Sweden has a > [[Ministry of Integration and Gender Equality (Sweden)]], etc. > > The United States have affirmative action. We should not fear controversy, > or grumbling; our democratically elected governments don't let that stop > them either. If the Wikipedia community cannot support something that is > standard in democratic society, then we do have a problem with our > demographics, and whatever problem we have will become readily apparent. > > I wouldn't mind calling it a gender issues noticeboard. (That would be > [[WP:GIN]] as opposed to [[WP:WIN]].) > > Andreas > Go ahead and do it if you feel passionate about it (of course), but you asked for people's views, so I'm just saying that you should be prepared for an awful mess of drama and bickering, some of which is likely to drive out the very women we're trying to retain. -- Steven Walling Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Women's issues noticeboard
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Marc Riddell wrote: > What's wrong with drama, Steven? If the issue is creating a dramatic > situation for people, how would you have them express it, neutrally? Since > passion is the temperature of emotion, shouldn't we get a measure of it? > > Marc Riddell > > Constant drama and fighting is one of the big things driving many people, including women, away from Wikipedia. That's what's wrong with it. -- Steven Walling Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Women's issues noticeboard
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: > > Given the demographic imbalance in our community, and the resultant risk > > of systemic bias in our editorial decisions, it might make sense to > > create a Women's issues noticeboard in en:WP and other Wikipedias, where > > related matters can be brought up for review. > > Thoughts? > > Andreas > > Please create it and inform everyone. > > Fred > Noticeboards are huge magnets for drama. There are longtime English Wikipedia editors already starting to grumble about this effort. If we're going to make progress by bringing the community along with this, rather than having them fight us, we should try to minimize the potential for drama, especially of the accusatory kind that gets performed on incident noticeboards. I would suggest we not create not a noticeboard for this issue specifically. -- Steven Walling Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
