Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Nathan]

The discussion here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Danese_Cooper)
is a fantastic example of the type of dialogue that drives away
contributors of all kinds, but perhaps disproportionately discourages
women. It's particularly unfortunate when, as in this case, the source
is an administrator.

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Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Mackenzie Morgan]

Her wikipedia page is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper

and I believe she's referring to the Personal section which has been
edited a few times.  The most recent time I can see someone putting
back the removed knitting references is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=348062767

And the most recent removal is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=386051343

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Sarah Stierch  wrote:
> Maybe I'm missing something - what's her username?
>
> Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)
>
> On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Susan Spencer  wrote:
>
> Wikipedia editors,
>
> Can someone look into Danese's pages please?
> She probably wouldn't mind if someone contacted her directly to find out
> more.
>
> - Susan Spencer Conklin
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Danese Cooper 
> Date: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Knitters and Coders: separated at birth?
> To: Mackenzie Morgan 
> Cc: debian-women 
>
>
> danese on Ravelry, as in life ;-). I've written quite a lot about knitting
> in public, although for some reason the Wikipedia community won't leave
> those references on my page :-(.

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Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Danese Cooper]

Hi there...

So, first of all (since Susan who originally posted this didn't know) I'm
employed by Wikimedia Foundation.  My bio page predates my employment by 6
years, but when I started working for WMF the Community did a "make-over" on
my page and I had to re-prove many facts of my life.  This year, on roughly
the anniversary of my hire, a deletionist tried to invalidate my bio because
it was mostly Open Source folks who had edited it and therefore the
deletionist claimed Conflict Of Interest (you can see it all in Discussion
and subsequent ArbCom query)...somehow in that fracas, the knitting
references were dropped and not replaced...which I think is a pity because
when it is there many people ask me about knitting in public and I've been
able to get several programmers (of both genders) to learn to knit as a way
to deal with attention issues.

As a sidenote in case you wish to restore the whole Personal
section...here's a better link that explains my Dad really did own a rare
Alfa Romeo with my unusual name spelling.

http://forum.miata.net/vb/archive/index.php/t-382563.html

and also

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/4406/Nardi-Danese-Alfa-Romeo-Roadster.html
Ours was the chassis 948-11, which is described at the bottom of the
article.

D

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:

> Her wikipedia page is:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper
>
> and I believe she's referring to the Personal section which has been
> edited a few times.  The most recent time I can see someone putting
> back the removed knitting references is:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=348062767
>
> And the most recent removal is:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=386051343
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Sarah Stierch 
> wrote:
> > Maybe I'm missing something - what's her username?
> >
> > Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)
> >
> > On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Susan Spencer 
> wrote:
> >
> > Wikipedia editors,
> >
> > Can someone look into Danese's pages please?
> > She probably wouldn't mind if someone contacted her directly to find out
> > more.
> >
> > - Susan Spencer Conklin
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Danese Cooper 
> > Date: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: Knitters and Coders: separated at birth?
> > To: Mackenzie Morgan 
> > Cc: debian-women 
> >
> >
> > danese on Ravelry, as in life ;-). I've written quite a lot about
> knitting
> > in public, although for some reason the Wikipedia community won't leave
> > those references on my page :-(.
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Sarah Stierch]

It does! Thanks fellow-Sarah! 

To be honest, my early editing experiences often make me a more paranoid when 
writing BLPs, so perhaps I took the rules too seriously myself!

Thank you again, a little guidance and clarity always goes a long way :)

Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)


On Apr 14, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Sarah  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 14:21, Sarah Stierch  wrote:
>> Hi. I actually brought up the issues with the references. While the second
>> article about the car is not self-published, it does not state in the
>> article that Danese is related to the owner of the vehicle or is named
>> after. While she leaves a comment thanking them for the information about
>> the Nardi-Danese Alfa Romeo Roadster, it is not cited in the article. The
>> latter part I'd consider self-published (her post). Perhaps I'm wrong.
> 
> Sarah, just to let you know that self-published material is allowed as
> a source in the Wikipedia article about the author of the
> self-published material (and in some other circumstances too, if the
> source is an expert).
> 
> In this case, if Danese has written about the car on her personal
> website, that can be used as a source in the article about her. The
> limits of this are, among others, (a) there should be no reasonable
> doubt that she's the author; (b) the material should not be unduly
> self-serving (doesn't apply here); and (c) it should not involve
> discussion of third parties, especially living people -- but
> discussing her father in this case would be fine.
> 
> The policy on that is here for future reference --
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFPUB#Self-published_and_questionable_sources_as_sources_on_themselves
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Sarah
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SlimVirgin
> 

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Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Sarah]

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 14:21, Sarah Stierch  wrote:
> Hi. I actually brought up the issues with the references. While the second
> article about the car is not self-published, it does not state in the
> article that Danese is related to the owner of the vehicle or is named
> after. While she leaves a comment thanking them for the information about
> the Nardi-Danese Alfa Romeo Roadster, it is not cited in the article. The
> latter part I'd consider self-published (her post). Perhaps I'm wrong.

Sarah, just to let you know that self-published material is allowed as
a source in the Wikipedia article about the author of the
self-published material (and in some other circumstances too, if the
source is an expert).

In this case, if Danese has written about the car on her personal
website, that can be used as a source in the article about her. The
limits of this are, among others, (a) there should be no reasonable
doubt that she's the author; (b) the material should not be unduly
self-serving (doesn't apply here); and (c) it should not involve
discussion of third parties, especially living people -- but
discussing her father in this case would be fine.

The policy on that is here for future reference --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFPUB#Self-published_and_questionable_sources_as_sources_on_themselves

Hope this helps,

Sarah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SlimVirgin

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Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Fred Bauder]

> Fred,
>
> I agree with you.
> Especially with handkraft information, there won't be 'references'.
> You can't reference what your grandmother or great-grandmother taught
> you.
> Same is true with fairytales or folklore.
> I'd like to post some of the Irish tales my grandmother taught me.
> I haven't seen them published.   It would be a shame for them to die
> because some bonehead decided there should be a published 'reference'.
> Which means I won't be able to post what I know, what isn't in any of the
> hundreds of sewing books I own, from the 19th century til 2011.
> So, I'm rethinking my plans of eventual posting.

> - Susan

Wikibooks for most of that; Wikisource if it's published and in the
public domain. You're right to not fight. Plenty of opportunity for that
will come along concerning important issues.

Fred


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Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Sarah Stierch]

Hi. I actually brought up the issues with the references. While the 
second article about the car is not self-published, it does not state in 
the article that Danese is related to the owner of the vehicle or is 
named after. While she leaves a comment thanking them for the 
information about the Nardi-Danese Alfa Romeo Roadster, it is not cited 
in the article. The latter part I'd consider self-published (her post). 
Perhaps I'm wrong.


The other source is also from forums, which I also think are considered 
self-published. Again, I could be wrong in this?


On another note, I think it'd be really great to see your families 
writing documented. Perhaps there are other options for their release 
into the Wiki world. Perhaps even Commons, by making oral history 
recordings.


I hate being Debbie Downer, I just know that if it's not cited 
appropriately, it'll be questioned.  If someone wants to add the 
information, go for it. I already did my part to re-write the article, 
and Fred lent a hand too.


:D

Sarah

On 4/14/2011 3:12 PM, Susan Spencer wrote:

Fred,

I agree with you.
Especially with handkraft information, there won't be 'references'.
You can't reference what your grandmother or great-grandmother taught you.
Same is true with fairytales or folklore.
I'd like to post some of the Irish tales my grandmother taught me.
I haven't seen them published.   It would be a shame for them to die
because some bonehead decided there should be a published 'reference'.
Which means I won't be able to post what I know, what isn't in any of the
hundreds of sewing books I own, from the 19th century til 2011.
So, I'm rethinking my plans of eventual posting.  I don't want to get 
caught in a shit storm.

What I love is what I love, I don't want it spoiled by argument.

Plus Danese's article about the car wasn't self-published, so where's 
the catch?

Let it stand...

- Susan

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Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:48:09 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Fred Bauder" mailto:fredb...@fairpoint.net>>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting,
   needs investigating
To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects"
mailto:gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>>
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1

> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 13:35, Sarah Stierch
mailto:sa...@sarahstierch.com>>
> wrote:
>> Wow, the talk page is insane, and is one reason why I "gave up"
in the
>> beginning.
>>
>> I might take a stab on my own userspace to re-write this
article. I'm
>> somewhat addicted fixing crappy BLP's. Perhaps I'll send it
your way
>> (here)
>> before I post it.
>>
> Could someone say again which article and talk page we're
discussing?
> I've looked at this one --
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper -- but can't see the
issue.
> Ditto with the talk page.
>
> Sarah

Here is the removal of the information about knitting:


https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=347000261&oldid=345360328

<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=347000261&oldid=345360328>

Removed again:


https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=347000261&oldid=345360328

<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=347000261&oldid=345360328>

This is where it was put in:


https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=prev&oldid=341488635

<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=prev&oldid=341488635>

Seems harmless enough, and hardly requires a substantial reference.

Fred






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Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Susan Spencer]

Fred,

I agree with you.
Especially with handkraft information, there won't be 'references'.
You can't reference what your grandmother or great-grandmother taught you.
Same is true with fairytales or folklore.
I'd like to post some of the Irish tales my grandmother taught me.
I haven't seen them published.   It would be a shame for them to die
because some bonehead decided there should be a published 'reference'.
Which means I won't be able to post what I know, what isn't in any of the
hundreds of sewing books I own, from the 19th century til 2011.
So, I'm rethinking my plans of eventual posting.  I don't want to get caught
in a shit storm.
What I love is what I love, I don't want it spoiled by argument.

Plus Danese's article about the car wasn't self-published, so where's the
catch?
Let it stand...

- Susan


> --
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:48:09 -0600 (MDT)
> From: "Fred Bauder" 
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting,
>needs investigating
> To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects"
>
> Message-ID:
><40246.66.243.192.69.1302731289.squir...@webmail.fairpoint.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 13:35, Sarah Stierch 
> > wrote:
> >> Wow, the talk page is insane, and is one reason why I "gave up" in the
> >> beginning.
> >>
> >> I might take a stab on my own userspace to re-write this article. I'm
> >> somewhat addicted fixing crappy BLP's. Perhaps I'll send it your way
> >> (here)
> >> before I post it.
> >>
> > Could someone say again which article and talk page we're discussing?
> > I've looked at this one --
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper -- but can't see the issue.
> > Ditto with the talk page.
> >
> > Sarah
>
> Here is the removal of the information about knitting:
>
>
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=347000261&oldid=345360328
>
> Removed again:
>
>
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=347000261&oldid=345360328
>
> This is where it was put in:
>
>
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=prev&oldid=341488635
>
> Seems harmless enough, and hardly requires a substantial reference.
>
> Fred
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Sarah Stierch]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper

I was able to find a citing source about your knitting, but, I can't use 
the self-published sources about your dads car. Now, if someone wants to 
interview you and write that article, then sweet, I can use it =)


Sarah

On 4/13/2011 3:58 PM, Danese Cooper wrote:

Hi there...

So, first of all (since Susan who originally posted this didn't know) 
I'm employed by Wikimedia Foundation.  My bio page predates my 
employment by 6 years, but when I started working for WMF the 
Community did a "make-over" on my page and I had to re-prove many 
facts of my life.  This year, on roughly the anniversary of my hire, a 
deletionist tried to invalidate my bio because it was mostly Open 
Source folks who had edited it and therefore the deletionist claimed 
Conflict Of Interest (you can see it all in Discussion and subsequent 
ArbCom query)...somehow in that fracas, the knitting references were 
dropped and not replaced...which I think is a pity because when it is 
there many people ask me about knitting in public and I've been able 
to get several programmers (of both genders) to learn to knit as a way 
to deal with attention issues.


As a sidenote in case you wish to restore the whole Personal 
section...here's a better link that explains my Dad really did own a 
rare Alfa Romeo with my unusual name spelling.


http://forum.miata.net/vb/archive/index.php/t-382563.html

and also

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/4406/Nardi-Danese-Alfa-Romeo-Roadster.html 
 Ours was the chassis 948-11, which is described at the bottom of the 
article.


D

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Mackenzie Morgan > wrote:


Her wikipedia page is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper

and I believe she's referring to the Personal section which has been
edited a few times.  The most recent time I can see someone putting
back the removed knitting references is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=348062767


And the most recent removal is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=386051343


On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Sarah Stierch
mailto:sa...@sarahstierch.com>> wrote:
> Maybe I'm missing something - what's her username?
>
> Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or
errors! :)
>
> On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Susan Spencer
mailto:susan.spen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Wikipedia editors,
>
> Can someone look into Danese's pages please?
> She probably wouldn't mind if someone contacted her directly to
find out
> more.
>
> - Susan Spencer Conklin
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Danese Cooper mailto:dan...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Knitters and Coders: separated at birth?
> To: Mackenzie Morgan mailto:maco...@gmail.com>>
> Cc: debian-women mailto:debian-wo...@lists.debian.org>>
>
>
> danese on Ravelry, as in life ;-). I've written quite a lot
about knitting
> in public, although for some reason the Wikipedia community
won't leave
> those references on my page :-(.

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Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Sarah]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 15:48, Fred Bauder  wrote:
>> Could someone say again which article and talk page we're discussing?
>> I've looked at this one --
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper -- but can't see the issue.
>> Ditto with the talk page.
>>
>> Sarah
>
> Here is the removal of the information about knitting:
>
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=347000261&oldid=345360328
>
> Removed again:
>
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=347000261&oldid=345360328
>
> This is where it was put in:
>
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=prev&oldid=341488635
>
> Seems harmless enough, and hardly requires a substantial reference.
>
> Fred

Thanks, Fred. I can't see that there's a major issue (one way or the
other), and the edits are from over a year ago.

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Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Sarah Stierch]

Perhaps I'm just too new to writing BLP's (I've written five so far, and 
I have spoken with 3 of the artists) ...I don't believe I can use 
message boards and such to cite as sources. I know I have to limit the 
self-generated sources I use, such as your blog. While I trust you, 
maybe the folks on the talk page don't :-/ ?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFPUB#Self-published_sources

Even if I have ten people confirm with me that you taught them how to 
knit, the information could very well be removed without the appropriate 
source citing.


This is a learning experience, that's for sure! And I admit, it's a bit 
surreal writing the BLP for the CTO of Wikimedia. :)


On 4/13/2011 3:58 PM, Danese Cooper wrote:

Hi there...

So, first of all (since Susan who originally posted this didn't know) 
I'm employed by Wikimedia Foundation.  My bio page predates my 
employment by 6 years, but when I started working for WMF the 
Community did a "make-over" on my page and I had to re-prove many 
facts of my life.  This year, on roughly the anniversary of my hire, a 
deletionist tried to invalidate my bio because it was mostly Open 
Source folks who had edited it and therefore the deletionist claimed 
Conflict Of Interest (you can see it all in Discussion and subsequent 
ArbCom query)...somehow in that fracas, the knitting references were 
dropped and not replaced...which I think is a pity because when it is 
there many people ask me about knitting in public and I've been able 
to get several programmers (of both genders) to learn to knit as a way 
to deal with attention issues.


As a sidenote in case you wish to restore the whole Personal 
section...here's a better link that explains my Dad really did own a 
rare Alfa Romeo with my unusual name spelling.


http://forum.miata.net/vb/archive/index.php/t-382563.html

and also

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/4406/Nardi-Danese-Alfa-Romeo-Roadster.html 
 Ours was the chassis 948-11, which is described at the bottom of the 
article.


D

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Mackenzie Morgan > wrote:


Her wikipedia page is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper

and I believe she's referring to the Personal section which has been
edited a few times.  The most recent time I can see someone putting
back the removed knitting references is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=348062767


And the most recent removal is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=386051343


On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Sarah Stierch
mailto:sa...@sarahstierch.com>> wrote:
> Maybe I'm missing something - what's her username?
>
> Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or
errors! :)
>
> On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Susan Spencer
mailto:susan.spen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Wikipedia editors,
>
> Can someone look into Danese's pages please?
> She probably wouldn't mind if someone contacted her directly to
find out
> more.
>
> - Susan Spencer Conklin
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Danese Cooper mailto:dan...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Knitters and Coders: separated at birth?
> To: Mackenzie Morgan mailto:maco...@gmail.com>>
> Cc: debian-women mailto:debian-wo...@lists.debian.org>>
>
>
> danese on Ravelry, as in life ;-). I've written quite a lot
about knitting
> in public, although for some reason the Wikipedia community
won't leave
> those references on my page :-(.

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Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Fred Bauder]

> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 13:35, Sarah Stierch 
> wrote:
>> Wow, the talk page is insane, and is one reason why I "gave up" in the
>> beginning.
>>
>> I might take a stab on my own userspace to re-write this article. I'm
>> somewhat addicted fixing crappy BLP's. Perhaps I'll send it your way
>> (here)
>> before I post it.
>>
> Could someone say again which article and talk page we're discussing?
> I've looked at this one --
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper -- but can't see the issue.
> Ditto with the talk page.
>
> Sarah

Here is the removal of the information about knitting:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=347000261&oldid=345360328

Removed again:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=347000261&oldid=345360328

This is where it was put in:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=prev&oldid=341488635

Seems harmless enough, and hardly requires a substantial reference.

Fred





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Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Sarah]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 13:35, Sarah Stierch  wrote:
> Wow, the talk page is insane, and is one reason why I "gave up" in the
> beginning.
>
> I might take a stab on my own userspace to re-write this article. I'm
> somewhat addicted fixing crappy BLP's. Perhaps I'll send it your way (here)
> before I post it.
>
Could someone say again which article and talk page we're discussing?
I've looked at this one --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper -- but can't see the issue.
Ditto with the talk page.

Sarah

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Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Sarah Stierch]

Wow, the talk page is insane, and is one reason why I "gave up" in the 
beginning.


I might take a stab on my own userspace to re-write this article. I'm 
somewhat addicted fixing crappy BLP's. Perhaps I'll send it your way 
(here) before I post it.






On 4/13/2011 3:15 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:

Her wikipedia page is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper

and I believe she's referring to the Personal section which has been
edited a few times.  The most recent time I can see someone putting
back the removed knitting references is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=348062767

And the most recent removal is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=386051343

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Sarah Stierch  wrote:

Maybe I'm missing something - what's her username?

Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)

On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Susan Spencer  wrote:

Wikipedia editors,

Can someone look into Danese's pages please?
She probably wouldn't mind if someone contacted her directly to find out
more.

- Susan Spencer Conklin

-- Forwarded message --
From: Danese Cooper
Date: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Knitters and Coders: separated at birth?
To: Mackenzie Morgan
Cc: debian-women


danese on Ravelry, as in life ;-). I've written quite a lot about knitting
in public, although for some reason the Wikipedia community won't leave
those references on my page :-(.



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Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Sarah Stierch]

Maybe I'm missing something - what's her username? 

Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)


On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Susan Spencer  wrote:

> Wikipedia editors,
> 
> Can someone look into Danese's pages please? 
> She probably wouldn't mind if someone contacted her directly to find out more.
> 
> - Susan Spencer Conklin
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Danese Cooper 
> Date: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Knitters and Coders: separated at birth?
> To: Mackenzie Morgan 
> Cc: debian-women 
> 
> 
> danese on Ravelry, as in life ;-). I've written quite a lot about knitting in 
> public, although for some reason the Wikipedia community won't leave those 
> references on my page :-(.
> 
> D
> 
> On Apr 13, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Mackenzie Morgan  wrote:
> 
> > 2011/4/13 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso :
> >> This is a cute blog post:
> >>
> >> http://www.cs4fn.org/regularexpressions/knitters.php
> >>
> >> I know some of you knit, so perhaps you'll find this amusing. Btw, any
> >> Debianistas on Ravelry? I'm JordiGH there.
> >
> > I'm macoafi on Ravelry, and I wrote a blog post about crochet & coding
> > & reverse engineering a bit ago:
> > http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2010/10/algorithms-reverse-engineering-and.html
> >
> > (more of an Ubuntu person here, but I do maintain a couple Debian 
> > packages...)
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[Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Susan Spencer]

Wikipedia editors,

Can someone look into Danese's pages please?
She probably wouldn't mind if someone contacted her directly to find out
more.

- Susan Spencer Conklin

-- Forwarded message --
From: Danese Cooper 
Date: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Knitters and Coders: separated at birth?
To: Mackenzie Morgan 
Cc: debian-women 


danese on Ravelry, as in life ;-). I've written quite a lot about knitting
in public, although for some reason the Wikipedia community won't leave
those references on my page :-(.

D

On Apr 13, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Mackenzie Morgan  wrote:

> 2011/4/13 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso :
>> This is a cute blog post:
>>
>> http://www.cs4fn.org/regularexpressions/knitters.php
>>
>> I know some of you knit, so perhaps you'll find this amusing. Btw, any
>> Debianistas on Ravelry? I'm JordiGH there.
>
> I'm macoafi on Ravelry, and I wrote a blog post about crochet & coding
> & reverse engineering a bit ago:
>
http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2010/10/algorithms-reverse-engineering-and.html
>
> (more of an Ubuntu person here, but I do maintain a couple Debian
packages...)
>
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>
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