Re: [Gendergap] fyi: Gender Bias in Wikipedia and Britannica

2011-09-05 Thread Joseph Reagle
Hello Ryan,

On Friday, September 02, 2011, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
 * Do you know what the ratio of male to female contributors is at 
 Encyclopedia Britannica?

No, unfortunately not. It'd be great to have that data and -- as we note -- to 
have a comprehensive listing of all biographies in EB.

 * Why the emphasis on female biographies? It seems like a weak indicator 
 of gender bias (as reflected by the WikiSym study). Do we really know 
 that women are significantly more likely to write about women than men 
 are? If so, how much more likely?

Unlike the WikiSym study, we are not able to draw connections between the 
contributors and their contributions. While the gender gap in contribution 
certainly inspired the work, we're focused on gender bias in content. As we 
note briefly in the paper, a member of the feminism task force said that much 
of a contribution there came from mail contributors.
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[Gendergap] fyi: Gender Bias in Wikipedia and Britannica

2011-09-02 Thread Joseph Reagle

http://reagle.org/joseph/blog/social/wikipedia/gender-bias-in-wp-eb

Abstract: Is there a bias in the against women's representation in Wikipedia 
biographies? Thousands of biographical subjects, from six sources, are compared 
against the English-language Wikipedia and the online Encyclopædia Britannica 
with respect to coverage, gender representation, and article length. We 
conclude that Wikipedia provides better coverage and longer articles, that 
Wikipedia typically has more articles on women than Britannica in absolute 
terms, but Wikipedia articles on women are more likely to be missing than 
articles on men relative to Britannica. For both reference works, article 
length did not consistently differ by gender.
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Re: [Gendergap] fyi: Gender Bias in Wikipedia and Britannica

2011-09-02 Thread Sarah Stierch
Thanks for sharing your research, Joseph!

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Joseph Reagle joseph.2...@reagle.orgwrote:

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 http://reagle.org/joseph/blog/social/wikipedia/gender-bias-in-wp-eb



 Abstract: Is there a bias in the against women's representation in
 Wikipedia biographies? Thousands of biographical subjects, from six sources,
 are compared against the English-language Wikipedia and the online
 Encyclopædia Britannica with respect to coverage, gender representation, and
 article length. We conclude that Wikipedia provides better coverage and
 longer articles, that Wikipedia typically has more articles on women than
 Britannica in absolute terms, but Wikipedia articles on women are more
 likely to be missing than articles on men relative to Britannica. For both
 reference works, article length did not consistently differ by gender.

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Re: [Gendergap] fyi: Gender Bias in Wikipedia and Britannica

2011-09-02 Thread Ryan Kaldari
Thanks for the article link, Joseph. I haven't yet finished the article, 
but I do have a couple of preliminary questions:


* Do you know what the ratio of male to female contributors is at 
Encyclopedia Britannica?
* Why the emphasis on female biographies? It seems like a weak indicator 
of gender bias (as reflected by the WikiSym study). Do we really know 
that women are significantly more likely to write about women than men 
are? If so, how much more likely?


Ryan Kaldari


On 9/2/11 6:54 AM, Joseph Reagle wrote:


http://reagle.org/joseph/blog/social/wikipedia/gender-bias-in-wp-eb

Abstract: Is there a bias in the against women's representation in 
Wikipedia biographies? Thousands of biographical subjects, from six 
sources, are compared against the English-language Wikipedia and the 
online Encyclopædia Britannica with respect to coverage, gender 
representation, and article length. We conclude that Wikipedia 
provides better coverage and longer articles, that Wikipedia typically 
has more articles on women than Britannica in absolute terms, but 
Wikipedia articles on women are more likely to be missing than 
articles on men relative to Britannica. For both reference works, 
article length did not consistently differ by gender.



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Re: [Gendergap] fyi: Gender Bias in Wikipedia and Britannica

2011-09-02 Thread Lennart Guldbrandsson

Interesting!

I don't know if you know about the categories that exist on some Wikipedias, 
for instance German and Swedish Wikipedia: namely the categories for articles 
about men and women respectively. On Swedish you can find the super-category 
here:

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategori:Personer_efter_k%C3%B6n

Män = Men
Kvinnor = Women

Those numbers suggest that for each article about a woman on Swedish Wikipedia, 
there are 4,29 about men. That is a little bit better than the German Wikipedia 
(1 woman, 5,85 men).

As you can see from the interwiki links, some other languages also have these 
categories. English Wikipedia in fact have an impressive 1,65 articles about 
*women* for every article about men. All *38* of the women article towers of 
the 23 men articles :-) Time to fill in those categories?

Best wishes,

Lennart

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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 14:39:30 -0700
From: rkald...@wikimedia.org
To: joseph.2...@reagle.org; gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] fyi: Gender Bias in Wikipedia and Britannica



  



  
  
Thanks for the article link, Joseph. I haven't yet finished the
article, but I do have a couple of preliminary questions:



* Do you know what the ratio of male to female contributors is at
Encyclopedia Britannica?

* Why the emphasis on female biographies? It seems like a weak
indicator of gender bias (as reflected by the WikiSym study). Do we
really know that women are significantly more likely to write about
women than men are? If so, how much more likely?



Ryan Kaldari





On 9/2/11 6:54 AM, Joseph Reagle wrote:

  
  
   
  http://reagle.org/joseph/blog/social/wikipedia/gender-bias-in-wp-eb
   
  Abstract: Is there a
bias in the against women's representation in Wikipedia
biographies? Thousands of biographical subjects, from six
sources, are compared against the English-language Wikipedia and
the online Encyclopædia Britannica with respect to coverage,
gender representation, and article length. We conclude that
Wikipedia provides better coverage and longer articles, that
Wikipedia typically has more articles on women than Britannica
in absolute terms, but Wikipedia articles on women are more
likely to be missing than articles on men relative to
Britannica. For both reference works, article length did not
consistently differ by gender.
  
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