Re: [Gendergap] previous (structural) collaboration withorganisations on women's history?
I’m very aware of that! But in this specific case, we will be working with a group of women’s studies professors who are already closely acquainted and working together with the partnering organisations. Their students frequently do internships there, they did internet-based collaboration projects earlier and the docents/professors actually actively asked for follow-up projects. It sounds as if this might be a good fit! Our next step is a kick-off meeting in February. If no-one seems interested after all, we’ll pursue different paths outside education. And yes, I already pinged WMNL. Thanks, everyone, for your input! Very helpful :-) Greetings, Sandra > On 19 Nov 2014, at 23:54, JJ Marr wrote: > > I agree. You have to enter into a hostile environnent, which is very > traumatizing towards women. > > On Nov 19, 2014 5:50 PM, "Kerry Raymond" wrote: > > When you work in a university, you frequently receive proposals that want > students (and sometimes academics) to be "free labour" for some worthy (or > not-so-worthy cause) without much regard to how the student benefits in > terms of their program of study. As much as I am personally committed to > Wikipedia and to feminism, if someone had approached me in my university > with such a proposal, I would have said that it might be reasonable to > expect a student in a writing or digital communications course to contribute > to Wikipedia (or Facebook or ...) as part of that course, but that I would > need to see a much stronger case for it in a course about feminism. > > Would you regard it as reasonable if a driving instructor required their > students to contribute to Wikipedia articles on road safety as a condition > of receiving their driver's license? Or a doctor required Wikipedia articles > before providing treatment? Why is it any different for a student to be > required to write Wikipedia articles? > > Offering students the *alternative* of writing for Wikipedia in lieu of a > traditional essay assignment would be a far more acceptable proposal. But I > would expect someone competent in Wikipedia would be available to provide > those students with the skills to do so (but I assume this is the > intention). And I would see nothing wrong with inviting students in a > feminist course to participate in a feminist edit-a-thon or similar activity > so long as it was clear it was independent to their studies (i.e. no > coercion). > > Kerry > > > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] previous (structural) collaboration withorganisations on women's history?
I agree. You have to enter into a hostile environnent, which is very traumatizing towards women. On Nov 19, 2014 5:50 PM, "Kerry Raymond" wrote: > > When you work in a university, you frequently receive proposals that want > students (and sometimes academics) to be "free labour" for some worthy (or > not-so-worthy cause) without much regard to how the student benefits in > terms of their program of study. As much as I am personally committed to > Wikipedia and to feminism, if someone had approached me in my university > with such a proposal, I would have said that it might be reasonable to > expect a student in a writing or digital communications course to > contribute > to Wikipedia (or Facebook or ...) as part of that course, but that I would > need to see a much stronger case for it in a course about feminism. > > Would you regard it as reasonable if a driving instructor required their > students to contribute to Wikipedia articles on road safety as a condition > of receiving their driver's license? Or a doctor required Wikipedia > articles > before providing treatment? Why is it any different for a student to be > required to write Wikipedia articles? > > Offering students the *alternative* of writing for Wikipedia in lieu of a > traditional essay assignment would be a far more acceptable proposal. But I > would expect someone competent in Wikipedia would be available to provide > those students with the skills to do so (but I assume this is the > intention). And I would see nothing wrong with inviting students in a > feminist course to participate in a feminist edit-a-thon or similar > activity > so long as it was clear it was independent to their studies (i.e. no > coercion). > > Kerry > > > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] previous (structural) collaboration withorganisations on women's history?
When you work in a university, you frequently receive proposals that want students (and sometimes academics) to be "free labour" for some worthy (or not-so-worthy cause) without much regard to how the student benefits in terms of their program of study. As much as I am personally committed to Wikipedia and to feminism, if someone had approached me in my university with such a proposal, I would have said that it might be reasonable to expect a student in a writing or digital communications course to contribute to Wikipedia (or Facebook or ...) as part of that course, but that I would need to see a much stronger case for it in a course about feminism. Would you regard it as reasonable if a driving instructor required their students to contribute to Wikipedia articles on road safety as a condition of receiving their driver's license? Or a doctor required Wikipedia articles before providing treatment? Why is it any different for a student to be required to write Wikipedia articles? Offering students the *alternative* of writing for Wikipedia in lieu of a traditional essay assignment would be a far more acceptable proposal. But I would expect someone competent in Wikipedia would be available to provide those students with the skills to do so (but I assume this is the intention). And I would see nothing wrong with inviting students in a feminist course to participate in a feminist edit-a-thon or similar activity so long as it was clear it was independent to their studies (i.e. no coercion). Kerry ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap