[Gendergap] Other (non -male or -female) Gender Knowledge for Study

2014-09-23 Thread Tim Davenport 
Assuming that you are not studying the matter of gender self-identification
itself (i.e. the dynamics of the count of the very small number of people
who do not consider themselves either male or female), it seems to me that
a survey over time should tally (self-identified) MALE / FEMALE / DECLINE
TO RESPOND.

The "Decline to Respond" category will be extremely significant -- a far
bigger threat to generation of an accurate count than the loss of the
fraction of 1% of Wikipedians who consider themselves neither here nor
there on the matter of gender.

This is, of course, not particularly "sensitive to the many categories of
non-male and non-female genders that exist in Wikipedia," which you
apparently presume to exist a priori.


Tim Davenport
"Carrite" on WP /// "Randy from Boise" on WPO
Corvallis, OR
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Re: [Gendergap] Other (non -male or -female) Gender Knowledge for Study

2014-09-23 Thread Megan Wacha 
Hi Max,

I haven't studied these decisions, but I try to be sensitive to these
issues and am happy to provide some thoughts.

Would you ask editors to provide this information? If so, I would ask them
to self identify - as a man, as a woman, [fill in the blank], or decline to
answer. I realize that a [fill in the blank] option poses some issues, but
I believe it's the most inclusive. I strongly encourage you to avoid the
term 'other' as it is so very loaded. I would also recommend using man and
woman in place of male and female, which refer to sex and not gender.

I hope you've received helpful feedback from others and that you'll share
your paper with the list.

Best,
Megan

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Maximilian Klein  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm doing a project at the moment, and writing a paper, that proposes a
> Wikipedia Gender Index - like the United Nations Gender Inequality Index.
> Essentially it will show the proportion of represented (existing article in
> the Wiki, not editors) Genders over time (both historical time, and as
> Wikipedia evolves), by language edition, by occupation, and by ethnic
> group.
>
> I want to be sensitive to the many categories of non-male and non-female
> genders that exist in Wikipedia. Another balance is make the Index
> compatible with the other indexes so we can compare. Some of those other
> indexes are M/F.  So the question is: it could be M/F/Other, M/F+Other
> (Male/Non-male), M/F/All/the/other/categories. I don't say that any of
> these are correct. I'm ask if you, or you know any researchers that has
> studied these decisions and can advise.
>
>
> Max Klein
> ‽ http://notconfusing.com/
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Re: [Gendergap] Other (non -male or -female) Gender Knowledge for Study

2014-09-23 Thread Maximilian Klein 
Hi Megan,

If I were asking editors to Identify I would definitely believe in giving a
blank text field to enter. However that is not the purpose of this study, I
am merely looking at Wikipedia *Biography Articles*. That is statistics of
what is recorded in Wikidata, and then trying to compare it to other Gender
Equality Indexes.


Max Klein
‽ http://notconfusing.com/

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Megan Wacha  wrote:

> Hi Max,
>
> I haven't studied these decisions, but I try to be sensitive to these
> issues and am happy to provide some thoughts.
>
> Would you ask editors to provide this information? If so, I would ask them
> to self identify - as a man, as a woman, [fill in the blank], or decline to
> answer. I realize that a [fill in the blank] option poses some issues, but
> I believe it's the most inclusive. I strongly encourage you to avoid the
> term 'other' as it is so very loaded. I would also recommend using man and
> woman in place of male and female, which refer to sex and not gender.
>
> I hope you've received helpful feedback from others and that you'll share
> your paper with the list.
>
> Best,
> Megan
>
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Maximilian Klein 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm doing a project at the moment, and writing a paper, that proposes a
>> Wikipedia Gender Index - like the United Nations Gender Inequality Index.
>> Essentially it will show the proportion of represented (existing article in
>> the Wiki, not editors) Genders over time (both historical time, and as
>> Wikipedia evolves), by language edition, by occupation, and by ethnic
>> group.
>>
>> I want to be sensitive to the many categories of non-male and non-female
>> genders that exist in Wikipedia. Another balance is make the Index
>> compatible with the other indexes so we can compare. Some of those other
>> indexes are M/F.  So the question is: it could be M/F/Other, M/F+Other
>> (Male/Non-male), M/F/All/the/other/categories. I don't say that any of
>> these are correct. I'm ask if you, or you know any researchers that has
>> studied these decisions and can advise.
>>
>>
>> Max Klein
>> ‽ http://notconfusing.com/
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Re: [Gendergap] Other (non -male or -female) Gender Knowledge for Study

2014-09-23 Thread Amanda Menking 
Max,

You may want to use Category tags such as 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Transgender_and_transsexual_people, 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Women, 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Men.

Imperfect, but a start?

Best,
Amanda

From: Maximilian Klein mailto:isa...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the 
participation of women within Wikimedia projects." 
mailto:gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>>
Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation 
of women within Wikimedia projects." 
mailto:gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Other (non -male or -female) Gender Knowledge for Study

Hi Megan,

If I were asking editors to Identify I would definitely believe in giving a 
blank text field to enter. However that is not the purpose of this study, I am 
merely looking at Wikipedia Biography Articles. That is statistics of what is 
recorded in Wikidata, and then trying to compare it to other Gender Equality 
Indexes.


Max Klein
‽ http://notconfusing.com/

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Megan Wacha 
mailto:mwa...@barnard.edu>> wrote:
Hi Max,

I haven't studied these decisions, but I try to be sensitive to these issues 
and am happy to provide some thoughts.

Would you ask editors to provide this information? If so, I would ask them to 
self identify - as a man, as a woman, [fill in the blank], or decline to 
answer. I realize that a [fill in the blank] option poses some issues, but I 
believe it's the most inclusive. I strongly encourage you to avoid the term 
'other' as it is so very loaded. I would also recommend using man and woman in 
place of male and female, which refer to sex and not gender.

I hope you've received helpful feedback from others and that you'll share your 
paper with the list.

Best,
Megan

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Maximilian Klein 
mailto:isa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,

I'm doing a project at the moment, and writing a paper, that proposes a 
Wikipedia Gender Index - like the United Nations Gender Inequality Index. 
Essentially it will show the proportion of represented (existing article in the 
Wiki, not editors) Genders over time (both historical time, and as Wikipedia 
evolves), by language edition, by occupation, and by ethnic group.

I want to be sensitive to the many categories of non-male and non-female 
genders that exist in Wikipedia. Another balance is make the Index compatible 
with the other indexes so we can compare. Some of those other indexes are M/F.  
So the question is: it could be M/F/Other, M/F+Other (Male/Non-male), 
M/F/All/the/other/categories. I don't say that any of these are correct. I'm 
ask if you, or you know any researchers that has studied these decisions and 
can advise.


Max Klein
‽ http://notconfusing.com/

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[Gendergap] Gender Gap Strategy: Next Steps!

2014-09-23 Thread Alex Wang 
Hi All,

At this year's Wikimania, over 40 Wikimedians helped prioritize ideas and
identified 7 key gender gap initiatives to work on.

We’ve created a page that summarizes gender gap strategy activities
to-date, lists the initiatives, and organizes teams:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap_strategy


We realize not everyone who cares about this issue was there to
participate. We would love to get your input and support. *Please take a
look at the page and sign up if you're interested! *


Once teams are developed, we’ll be in touch to help brainstorm next steps
and help support you as initiatives move forward.

Thank you again for your commitment to addressing the gender gap!

Cheers,

Alex & Siko

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