Re: Remove Axis2 stuff from WS site.....
Glen, Can you try to make that consistent with the discussion in [1], i.e. either do it as described in that discussion, or if you believe that this is not the best solution, propose another one? Andreas [1] http://markmail.org/thread/xztnna4sfy2tzfq7 On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 17:35, Glen Daniels g...@thoughtcraft.com wrote: On 10/25/2010 11:24 AM, Daniel Kulp wrote: cp -a /www/ws.apache.org/axis /www/axis.apache.org cp -a /www/ws.apache.org/axis2 /www/axis.apache.org cp -a /www/ws.apache.org/axis2-c /www/axis.apache.org FYI, this is now done. Once we see the content show up on the front-facing servers, we can start playing with the redirects. Thanks, --Glen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@axis.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@axis.apache.org
Re: Remove Axis2 stuff from WS site.....
Hi Andreas, I'll see what I can do to move things around before setting up the redirects, and will holler if anything looks particularly challenging. --Glen On 10/29/2010 11:51 AM, Andreas Veithen wrote: Glen, Can you try to make that consistent with the discussion in [1], i.e. either do it as described in that discussion, or if you believe that this is not the best solution, propose another one? Andreas [1] http://markmail.org/thread/xztnna4sfy2tzfq7 On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 17:35, Glen Daniels g...@thoughtcraft.com wrote: On 10/25/2010 11:24 AM, Daniel Kulp wrote: cp -a /www/ws.apache.org/axis /www/axis.apache.org cp -a /www/ws.apache.org/axis2 /www/axis.apache.org cp -a /www/ws.apache.org/axis2-c /www/axis.apache.org FYI, this is now done. Once we see the content show up on the front-facing servers, we can start playing with the redirects. Thanks, --Glen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@axis.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@axis.apache.org
Re: Remove Axis2 stuff from WS site.....
That would only work if one assumes that the HTML generated by the Maven site only contains relative links. I don't think that's the case. What we really need to do is to clean up the Maven site and get Axis2 1.6 out. Andreas On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 16:03, Sanjiva Weerawarana sanj...@opensource.lk wrote: Dan, +1 for moving the stuff but really, we need to retain some history here. I will write a history section and put it into the WS project - losing history of Apache SOAP, Apache Axis and the various other things that defined the WS project for nearly 10 years is not acceptable. A bit of patience on moving out please - the WS project was anchored by Axis for a hell of a long time. I'm not sure why this bothers you so much. Sanjiva. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote: Would someone from the Axis TLP please move the axis2 directory and other axis things from /www/ws.apache.org over to your own space. Axis graduated 10 to TLP 10 months ago. This stuff should be long gone. -- Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org http://dankulp.com/blog -- Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. Founder, Director Chief Scientist; Lanka Software Foundation; http://www.opensource.lk/ Founder, Chairman CEO; WSO2; http://wso2.com/ Founder Director; Thinkcube Systems; http://www.thinkcube.com/ Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ Member; Sahana Software Foundation; http://www.sahanafoundation.org/ Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/ Blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@axis.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@axis.apache.org
Re: Remove Axis2 stuff from WS site.....
Not really wanting to jump into the middle of this :-) but it seems to me that not mentioning Axis *1* would be bad too. Sure it hasn't changed in a while but people do use it and not even having a link to the src would hurt people's ability to debug stuff. thanks -Doug __ STSM | Standards Architect | IBM Software Group (919) 254-6905 | IBM 444-6905 | d...@us.ibm.com The more I'm around some people, the more I like my dog. Sanjiva Weerawarana sanj...@opensource.lk 10/25/2010 10:47 AM Please respond to d...@ws.apache.org To Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org cc d...@ws.apache.org, general@axis.apache.org Subject Re: Remove Axis2 stuff from WS site. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote: It's been 10 MONTHS!?! I think that's been more than an adequate amount of time for the Axis project to actually finish their job of moving to a TLP. You cannot tell me that in 10 months of time, not one person was able to copy the content over (or update poms and do a site:deploy or whatever you guys do for web content). I noticed that ws.apache.org does not say a WORD about Axis after you/Benson worked it over. Do you think that's reasonable??! That is SOOO not the Apache Way, especially coming from two ASF Members. Yes we should've moved over. We haven't. In the meantime, ignore the directory and continue to update the Web site ignoring all history. I will find time to go edit your site one of these days and put back some history and context into this site. It is not your site or mine; its ours and I damned well plan to claim back the rightful place Axis has in this project! You cannot just go on as if it never existed :) .. however much you may wish for that to be the case. Sanjiva. -- Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. Founder, Director Chief Scientist; Lanka Software Foundation; http://www.opensource.lk/ Founder, Chairman CEO; WSO2; http://wso2.com/ Founder Director; Thinkcube Systems; http://www.thinkcube.com/ Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ Member; Sahana Software Foundation; http://www.sahanafoundation.org/ Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/ Blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/
Re: Remove Axis2 stuff from WS site.....
*waves to Doug!* +1 - a history section is absolutely the right thing. IIRC the SVN pointers do redirect... right? --Glen On 10/25/2010 10:59 AM, Doug Davis wrote: Not really wanting to jump into the middle of this :-) but it seems to me that not mentioning Axis *1* would be bad too. Sure it hasn't changed in a while but people do use it and not even having a link to the src would hurt people's ability to debug stuff. thanks -Doug __ STSM | Standards Architect | IBM Software Group (919) 254-6905 | IBM 444-6905 | d...@us.ibm.com The more I'm around some people, the more I like my dog. *Sanjiva Weerawarana sanj...@opensource.lk* 10/25/2010 10:47 AM Please respond to d...@ws.apache.org To Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org cc d...@ws.apache.org, general@axis.apache.org Subject Re: Remove Axis2 stuff from WS site. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Daniel Kulp _dk...@apache.org_ mailto:dk...@apache.org wrote: It's been 10 MONTHS!?! I think that's been more than an adequate amount of time for the Axis project to actually finish their job of moving to a TLP. You cannot tell me that in 10 months of time, not one person was able to copy the content over (or update poms and do a site:deploy or whatever you guys do for web content). I noticed that _ws.apache.org_ http://ws.apache.org/does not say a WORD about Axis after you/Benson worked it over. Do you think that's reasonable??! That is SOOO not the Apache Way, especially coming from two ASF Members. Yes we should've moved over. We haven't. In the meantime, ignore the directory and continue to update the Web site ignoring all history. I will find time to go edit your site one of these days and put back some history and context into this site. It is not your site or mine; its ours and I damned well plan to claim back the rightful place Axis has in this project! You cannot just go on as if it never existed :) .. however much you may wish for that to be the case. Sanjiva. -- Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. Founder, Director Chief Scientist; Lanka Software Foundation; _http://www.opensource.lk/_ Founder, Chairman CEO; WSO2; _http://wso2.com/_ Founder Director; Thinkcube Systems; _http://www.thinkcube.com/_ Member; Apache Software Foundation; _http://www.apache.org/_ Member; Sahana Software Foundation; _http://www.sahanafoundation.org/_ Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; _http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/_ Blog: _http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/_ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@axis.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@axis.apache.org
Re: Remove Axis2 stuff from WS site.....
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 17:33, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: 1. I'm the only person who has touched the ws site. If you want to be annoyed, be annoyed at me. BTW, I was wondering why that didn't generate any SVN commit notifications. At least I didn't see any kind of notification that would have allowed me to review your changes. I think that is something that should be fixed. 2. It never occurred to me, when I started, that Axis would, at this late date, have a 'web site' consisting of a raw HTML link to the old content on the WS site. I didn't set out to disturb anyone or anything. It was only after I had put considerable effort into initial cleanup that I discovered, to my distress, that Axis had no site. And, and that time, I sent a query to the axis list, and received no replies at all. 3. I appear to be the only person with any time or energy available for the web site on the WS project, such as that project is. I cannot accept responsibility as the historical curator of the old Axis content. Personally, I don't think that history is very important or interesting; what is important is making the current resources available to the current interested parties. I appreciate that some may find this an extreme position. However, the Apache Way, as I understand it, is that the direction is set by those available to do the work. 4. In my opinion, the WS PMC is only viable if there are a group of people who are, in fact, prepared to collaborate on common goals. If the actual state of affairs is that there is one XmlSchema developer and some sympathizers, and ditto for Neethi and the others, then it should, again in my opinion, finish fisioning. Fission would be fine with me. I'd set up an adequate XmlSchema web presence, period. I think we should indeed seriously consider promoting projects such as XmlSchema, Axiom and Woden to TLPs (and any subproject that is viable on its own). 5. I have no objection to having some bit of info on a WS project front page that cites history and links to the successor projects, and I would ask any interested party to contribute that content to the Confluence section which is going to become the source of the WS project -- if the project survives that long. I have no objection to someone supplying me a PATCH to the existing Forrest site to serve the same purpose: as a committer on the project I will be more than happy to apply it and publish. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@axis.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@axis.apache.org
Re: Remove Axis2 stuff from WS site.....
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 21:36, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote: On Monday 25 October 2010 3:21:27 pm Andreas Veithen wrote: I think it's again a perfect example of a discussion that degenerates because some people don't take the time to first get the facts and try to think about what the issue actually is. Part of the issue is actually very simple. If somebody does a modification to the site, you'd expect to get a notification about the change so that you can review it. If that had been the case, I (or somebody else) would have reacted to the removal of the Axis link and the issue could have been solved without making too much noise. I actually took the time to check why no such notification was ever sent. It appears that Benson did two commits [1] to the /webservices/site directory, but the SVN notifications are nowhere to be found. Normally, they should have been sent to gene...@ws.apache.org (at least that is where notifications of previous commits where sent). I'm pretty sure that the reason is simply that Benson didn't subscribe with his apache.org address to that list. That, and the *...@ws lists were not moderated lists. If they were moderated, the commit would have just been moderated through. Problem solved. I think Benson acted in good faith, but because of a stupid mistake (that BTW happened to other people in the past, including myself) he rendered inoperative the commit-then-review policy. Benson, can you check your subscription to gene...@ws.apache.org and test if SVN notifications are generated properly? Irrelevant. The list no longer exists. They go to d...@ws.apache.org now. Good point. Doesn't that mean that the SVN (and also Wiki) configuration needs to be changed to send notifications to the new list? Or has this already been done? Dan Thanks, Andreas [1] http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?to=20101025path=/webservi ces/siteauthor=bimargulies On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 16:56, Glen Daniels g...@thoughtcraft.com wrote: meta Can we please drop the tone of this discussion? While there are certainly some (maybe many) that believe ad-hominems, flaming, and grousing are The Apache Way, they don't fit well in my personal view of same. Sanjiva, I'm looking at you here. I don't know if you had too much coffee today or what, but please take it down a notch? :) /meta I don't think it's at all unreasonable for folks in the WS community to want things clean and correct - after all, that's sort of the main thrust we've been trying to execute on in the past few months with cleaning up the projects, the PMC list, etc. 10 months is plenty long for a project to move itself - most graduated incubator projects are out and set up as TLPs within a month or two. On the other hand, of course people are busy and website work isn't as glamorous as new plugin APIs. :) So let's please try to get some actual cooperative work happening here and focus on what needs doing rather than who's asking. Thanks, --Glen On 10/25/2010 10:47 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org mailto:dk...@apache.org wrote: It's been 10 MONTHS!?! I think that's been more than an adequate amount of time for the Axis project to actually finish their job of moving to a TLP. You cannot tell me that in 10 months of time, not one person was able to copy the content over (or update poms and do a site:deploy or whatever you guys do for web content). I noticed that ws.apache.org http://ws.apache.org does not say a WORD about Axis after you/Benson worked it over. Do you think that's reasonable??! That is SOOO not the Apache Way, especially coming from two ASF Members. Yes we should've moved over. We haven't. In the meantime, ignore the directory and continue to update the Web site ignoring all history. I will find time to go edit your site one of these days and put back some history and context into this site. It is not your site or mine; its ours and I damned well plan to claim back the rightful place Axis has in this project! You cannot just go on as if it never existed :) .. however much you may wish for that to be the case. Sanjiva. -- Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. Founder, Director Chief Scientist; Lanka Software Foundation; http://www.opensource.lk/ Founder, Chairman CEO; WSO2; http://wso2.com/ Founder Director; Thinkcube Systems; http://www.thinkcube.com/ Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ Member; Sahana Software Foundation; http://www.sahanafoundation.org/ Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/ Blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/ -- Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org http://dankulp.com/blog - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@axis.apache.org For additional
