Re: stdcxx open for business

2005-07-20 Thread David Crossley
Heidi Buelow wrote:
 
 I read somewhere that the site-publish is generated every two hours but I
 can't find that now. ...

After it is generated and committed (see below) then
it is automatically moved into production. Various
steps are involved, some automated, some manual.

 I did find the note that we could just put our stuff
 on site-author and let someone else publish the site.  So that's what we
 have done.  
 
 Do I enlist someone to publish or is it automatic and if it is automatic,
 when could I expect to see the updates on site-publish?

We notice the SVN commit messages and someone (probably me :-)
will update the site when they get some free time. Later we
do hope to automate that as much as is possible.

David

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Setting up incubator pages for Oscar

2005-07-20 Thread Alex Karasulu

Hi,

I was wondering how we can setup the incubator pages to track the 
progress of the oscar podling.  I remember working on the directory 
pages but I don't seem to recall who or how these pages were setup for 
podlings.


Thanks,
Alex


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Re: Setting up incubator pages for Oscar

2005-07-20 Thread Roy T. Fielding
I was wondering how we can setup the incubator pages to track the 
progress of the oscar podling.  I remember working on the directory 
pages but I don't seem to recall who or how these pages were setup for 
podlings.


I just sent my usual getting started info to oscar-dev.

Roy


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RE: stdcxx open for business

2005-07-20 Thread Heidi Buelow
Well it's ready for publishing...  

Some of the commit messages went to stdcxx-commits.  I don't think you are
on that.

Heidi.

 -Original Message-
 From: David Crossley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 12:16 AM
 To: general@incubator.apache.org
 Subject: Re: stdcxx open for business
 
 Heidi Buelow wrote:
 
  I read somewhere that the site-publish is generated every two hours but
 I
  can't find that now. ...
 
 After it is generated and committed (see below) then
 it is automatically moved into production. Various
 steps are involved, some automated, some manual.
 
  I did find the note that we could just put our stuff
  on site-author and let someone else publish the site.  So that's what we
  have done.
 
  Do I enlist someone to publish or is it automatic and if it is
 automatic,
  when could I expect to see the updates on site-publish?
 
 We notice the SVN commit messages and someone (probably me :-)
 will update the site when they get some free time. Later we
 do hope to automate that as much as is possible.
 
 David
 
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Re: Setting up incubator pages for Oscar

2005-07-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 20 July 2005 20:38, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
  I was wondering how we can setup the incubator pages to track the
  progress of the oscar podling.  I remember working on the directory
  pages but I don't seem to recall who or how these pages were setup for
  podlings.

 I just sent my usual getting started info to oscar-dev.

I decided to check out how this all works.

 1. svn cp incubation-status-template.html oscar.html in the 
site-author/projects directory.

 2. Committed that... (Not supposed to be able to do that. See below.)

 3. Made a rough initial edit.

 4. Committed that, so a STATUS file should now exist.


Now, I went on to investigate how come I could commit, and found out that 
someone has forgotten to clean away graduated projects from the 
/x1/sv/asf-authorization, and since I am committer on Directory, I was able 
to do the commit above.


Cheers
Niclas

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[VOTE] Graduate Derby as sub-project of Apache DB

2005-07-20 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
Noel said that rather than hassling the Incubator PMC members for
release approval, we should just graduate!

So please vote on graduating Derby to a sub-project of Apache DB.

The developer community continues get the Apache Way and its diversity
has increased since the last graduation vote (where it got good reports).

We've added five new committers during incubation based upon their
contributions, which gives us committers from three independent entities.

We've performed two releases (though the latest is waiting approval from
the incubator PMC :-)

DB-PMC has discussed the inclusion of a sub-set of Derby PPMC members.

DB-PMC has voted to accept the project (see status file)
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/derby.html

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My vote +1.

Thanks!
Dan.


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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Derby as sub-project of Apache DB

2005-07-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thursday 21 July 2005 02:40, Daniel John Debrunner wrote:

 DB-PMC has discussed the inclusion of a sub-set of Derby PPMC members.

Has the Derby project engaged suitable DB PMC members as committers and PPMC 
members, to enhance oversight and increase cross-pollination ??  (Sorry if 
this has been mentioned before, but I have not followed the details of 
Derby.)


Cheers
Niclas

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SVN repository disappeared?

2005-07-20 Thread Heidi Buelow
Did anyone else notice that the svn repository seems to have disappeared?

 

The directory http://svn.apache.org/repos/ http://svn.apache.org/repos/
is gone.  There is a newly created directory called
http://svn.apache.org/repository http://svn.apache.org/repository  but the
stuff inside is different than what was in repos.

 

Help?

 

Heidi.



 



Re: [proposal] Oscar OSGi Project

2005-07-20 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi,

On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 11:45 -0700, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
  The license to review is the one in  the specification  documentation, 
  which in essence says nothing other than the fact that you are NOT 
  indemnified against IP claims, which is standard CYA by the OSGi 
  Alliance.
 
 It says nothing.  It doesn't even provide a license to copy or make
 derivative work.  There is zero license there, only a disclaimer.

You might want to coordinate on this with Eclipse.
They had similar concerns about some OSGi code. See:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=90052

One of the comments in that bugs says:

To be specific, OSGi now makes a clear distinction between the
specification PDF document (specification) and the java source
files which contain the OSGi API typed in from the specification
(companion code).

OSGi does not consider the companion code to be the
specification and thus has agreed to license the companion code
under EPL. The specification itself is available under a new
specification license which freely allows distribution and
implementation of the specification, but all rights to modify
the specification are retained by OSGi. This is to prevent
forking the specification.

Hope that helps. The bug also has email addresses of some contact people
if you need them for more clarifications. I am not sure if the current
license on the osgi website is already this new license this comment
talks about, or if they still have to update the site to clarify this.

Cheers,

Mark


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Re: SVN repository disappeared?

2005-07-20 Thread Martin Sebor

Heidi Buelow wrote:

Did anyone else notice that the svn repository seems to have
disappeared?



Yes, something bad seems to have happened to the SVN repos.
I haven't been able to get to svn since sometime between 10
and 11 this morning (US mountain time). Here's the error I've
been gettin since then:

$ svn ls http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/
svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/repos/asf/incubator'
svn:
Could not open the requested SVN filesystem

Martin

 


The directory http://svn.apache.org/repos/
http://svn.apache.org/repos/
is gone.  There is a newly created directory called
http://svn.apache.org/repository http://svn.apache.org/repository  but
the
stuff inside is different than what was in repos.

 


Help?

 


Heidi.



 






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Re: SVN repository disappeared?

2005-07-20 Thread Simon Kitching
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 17:04 -0600, Martin Sebor wrote:
 Heidi Buelow wrote:
  Did anyone else notice that the svn repository seems to have
  disappeared?
  
 
 Yes, something bad seems to have happened to the SVN repos.
 I haven't been able to get to svn since sometime between 10
 and 11 this morning (US mountain time). Here's the error I've
 been gettin since then:
 
 $ svn ls http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/
 svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/repos/asf/incubator'
 svn:
 Could not open the requested SVN filesystem

Subversion access is working fine for me (both web browsing and
command-line).

Regards,

Simon



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[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Jul 20 23:46:26 2005

2005-07-20 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2005-01-20 01:12:13 -0500 (Thu, 20 Jan 2005) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions).

o Move the stable wiki pages into the official site.

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

o Moving the bylaw documentation from the Wiki to the main site

o fix formatting of the project status pages

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must use a STATUS file (or a
  status.xml file if the project prefers XML) that contains
  information the PMC needs about the project. This file must
  live at the root of the project cvs module
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

The Incubation Process
==

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress in the file

  incubator/projects/{project_name}/STATUS

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers in the STATUS file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the 

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Derby as sub-project of Apache DB

2005-07-20 Thread Jeremy Boynes

Niclas Hedhman wrote:


Has the Derby project engaged suitable DB PMC members as committers and PPMC 
members, to enhance oversight and increase cross-pollination ??  (Sorry if 
this has been mentioned before, but I have not followed the details of 
Derby.)




DB PMC members have been with Derby from the start and have actively 
been involved in its incubation. Derby has cross pollinated with other 
Apache projects such as Geronimo and JDO (also under incubation by the 
DB PMC).


THe last time the issue of graduation was raised the primary concern was 
that the project lacked a diversity of committers having added only one 
from outside IBM. Since then we have added one independent, three from 
Sun and continue see a diversity on the dev and user lists that should 
lead to even more committers in the near future.


I believe Derby has demonstrated Apache's community values and is ready 
to graduate.


+1

--
Jeremy

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Derby as sub-project of Apache DB

2005-07-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thursday 21 July 2005 12:42, Jeremy Boynes wrote:
 DB PMC members have been with Derby from the start and have actively
 been involved in its incubation. Derby has cross pollinated with other
 Apache projects such as Geronimo and JDO (also under incubation by the
 DB PMC).

Great.  +1 (non-binding) for graduation from me.

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Derby as sub-project of Apache DB

2005-07-20 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 7/20/05, Jeremy Boynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I believe Derby has demonstrated Apache's community values and is ready
 to graduate.
 
 +1
 

+1 as well.  I've been lurking on the various Derby lists, and am
satisfied that the community gets it what it means to be an Apache
project.

Craig

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