Re: PMC chairs access to Donations Repo

2008-11-02 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 3:47 AM, David Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Greg Reddin wrote:
 David Crossley wrote:
 
  https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/donations/
  .^
 
  Is there some documentation that led you astray
  or just a slip?

 I didn't type the right URL or even the right path in my email, sorry.
 Using the path you specified above I was unable to commit a new
 directory containing sigs and a .zip file.

 Okay, now we are sure about the URL.

 Yes i see that people in your situation do not
 have svn authorisation. It is either members or
 incubator-pmc - default for the incubator section.

 I presume that the pmc-chairs group should have
 access, but it does not currently.

 To Incubator PMC, should we add a special handler
 for the incubator/donations/ directory?

i'm +1

- robert

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Re: Donations Repo

2008-11-02 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 3:12 AM, Greg Reddin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:26 PM, David Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/donations/
 .^

 Is there some documentation that led you astray
 or just a slip?

 I didn't type the right URL or even the right path in my email, sorry.
 Using the path you specified above I was unable to commit a new
 directory containing sigs and a .zip file.

as david pointed, this is likely to be a permissions issue. you can
either wait until we've sorted it out or create a JIRA containing the
patch then post a reply. someone with karma will pick it up.

- robert

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Re: [VOTE] Accepting Kato into the Incubator

2008-11-02 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 +1

+1

 Good to see JSRs developed completely in the open.

+1

- robert

 Craig

 On Oct 30, 2008, at 2:14 AM, ant elder wrote:

 The Kato proposal has been out for discussion for a few weeks now,
 please vote on accepting the Kato project for incubation.

 The full Kato proposal is available at the end of this message and as
 a wiki page at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/KatoProposal.

 Craig L Russell
 Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo
 408 276-5638 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [VOTE] Accepting Kato into the Incubator

2008-11-02 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Roland Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ant elder wrote:
 The Kato proposal has been out for discussion for a few weeks now,
 please vote on accepting the Kato project for incubation.

 [...]
 = Kato - Post-mortem JVM Diagnostics API and RI/TCK for JSR 326 =
 [...]

 Nominated Mentors
 Geir has volunteered to be a mentor.
 Ant Elder

 That list looks a bit short, but +1 anyway. (binding)

i'm willing to be added as a mentor if this is a problem and kato are
happy to have me

- robert

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Re: [VOTE] Accepting Kato into the Incubator

2008-11-02 Thread Niall Pemberton
+1

Niall

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 9:14 AM, ant elder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The Kato proposal has been out for discussion for a few weeks now,
 please vote on accepting the Kato project for incubation.

 The full Kato proposal is available at the end of this message and as
 a wiki page at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/KatoProposal.

 Here is my +1

   ...ant

 = Kato - Post-mortem JVM Diagnostics API and RI/TCK for JSR 326 =

 Abstract

 Kato is a project to develop the Specification, Reference
 Implementation and Technology Compatibility Kit for JSR 326:
 Post-mortem JVM Diagnostics API
 Proposal

 JSR 326 is intended to be a Java API specification for standardising
 how and what can be retrieved from the contents of post-mortem
 artefacts -- typically process and JVM dumps. Project Kato is intended
 to be the place where the Specification, Reference implementation (RI)
 and Technology Compatibility Kit (TCK) are openly created. The
 intention is that the Specification and RI will be developed in tight
 unison, guided by a user-story-focused approach to ensure that
 real-world problems drive the project from the beginning.

 Unusually for new APIs, this project will endeavour to encompass the
 old and the new. A diagnostic solution that only works when users move
 to the latest release does little to improve diagnosability in the
 short term. This project will consume existing dump artefacts as well
 as possible while developing an API that can address the emerging
 trends in JVM and application directions. The most obvious of these
 trends are the exploitation of very large heaps, alternative languages
 and, paradoxically for Java, the increased use of native memory
 through vehicles such as NIO.
 Background

 Post-mortem versus Live Monitoring: It's worth noting that the term
 post mortem is used loosely. It does not just imply dead JVMs and
 applications; JSR 326 also covers living, breathing applications where
 the dump artefacts are deliberately produced as part of live
 monitoring activity. Live monitoring generally means tracing,
 profiling, debugging, or even bytecode monitoring and diagnosis by
 agents via the java.lang.instrument API . It can also mean analysis of
 dumps to look for trends and gather statistics. The live-monitoring
 diagnostic space is well served except for this last area, which is
 where JSR 326 can help.

 IBM developed an API called DTFJ (Diagnostic Tooling and Framework
 for Java) as a means of providing its support teams a basis on which
 to write tools to diagnose Java SDK and Java application faults. It
 consists of a native JVM-specific component and the DTFJ API, which
 was written in pure Java.
 Rationale

 JSR 326 exists because of the widely acknowledged limitations in
 diagnosing Java application problems after the fact. There are many
 good ways to understand and diagnose problems while they happen, but
 few credible or pervasive tools exist for helping resolve problems
 when all has gone suddenly and horribly wrong. Outside of live
 monitoring there is no standard way to provide diagnostics
 information, and hence no standard tools. Each tool writer has to
 figure out how to access the data individually and specifically for
 each JVM vendor and operating system. This sparsity of tools has meant
 that users have limited options in diagnosing their own problems,
 especially unexpected or intermittent failures. Consequently these
 users turn to the providers of their software to work out what is
 happening. Application, middleware, and JVM vendors are spending
 increasing time supporting customers in problem diagnosis. Emerging
 trends indicate that this is going to get worse.

 Today JVM heap sizes are measured in small numbers of gigabytes,
 processors on desktops come in twos or fours, and most applications
 running on a JVM are written in Java. To help analyse problems in
 these configurations, we use a disparate set of diagnostic tools and
 artefacts. If the problem can't be reproduced in a debugger, then
 things quickly get complicated. There are point tools for problems
 like deadlock analysis or the ubiquitous Java out-of-memory problems,
 but overall the Java diagnostic tools arena is fragmented and JVM- or
 OS-specific. Tool writers have to choose their place in this matrix.
 We want to change that by removing the need for tool writers to make a
 choice. By enabling tool writers to easily target all the major JVM
 vendors and operating systems, we expect the number and capability of
 diagnostic tools to greatly increase. Tomorrow it gets harder; heap
 sizes hit 100's of gigabytes, processors come packaged in powers of
 16, and the JVM commonly executes a wide range of language
 environments. We can't tackle tomorrow's problems until we have a
 platform to address today's.

 This project is about bringing together people and ideas to create
 that platform, and we can't think of a better place to do that than in
 Apache.
 Initial Goals

 The code 

Re: [VOTE] Accepting Kato into the Incubator

2008-11-02 Thread Roland Weber
ant elder wrote:
 The Kato proposal has been out for discussion for a few weeks now,
 please vote on accepting the Kato project for incubation.
 
 [...]
 = Kato - Post-mortem JVM Diagnostics API and RI/TCK for JSR 326 =
 [...]
 
 Nominated Mentors
 Geir has volunteered to be a mentor.
 Ant Elder

That list looks a bit short, but +1 anyway. (binding)

cheers,
  Roland

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Meeting with members of podlings at ApacheCon

2008-11-02 Thread Yeliz Eseryel
Hi Everyone,

My name is Yeliz (phonetically Yeah-Liz). I am a PhD student and an
Open Source researcher from Syracuse University. You guys see me and
my colleagues wearing pith helmets at ApacheCon.

This year we are working on a project to understand what makes
podlings successful. My professor, Kevin Crowston had shared this with
a number of ASF members, who thought it was a good idea and could be
beneficial for ASF.

So I am looking forward to meeting and talking to the members of
podlings to understand what they go through. I am not sure who will be
here in New Orleans and from which podling. For those of you who are
attending ApacheCon--I would appreciate if you would drop me a line
and introduce yourself or say hi at when you see me (a female wearing
the pith helmet) during ApacheCon in new Orleans and say hi.

And yes, you can take a picture with my pith helmet :) In fact, many
have done so in the past..

Thanks and looking forward to talking to you.
Yeliz.


-- 
Ms. Yeliz Eseryel
Ph.D Candidate in Information Science  Technology
Syracuse University School of Information Studies
Teaching Blog: http://enterprisesystems.blogspot.com
twitter.com/yeliz
yelix.blogspot.com

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Re: Meeting with members of podlings at ApacheCon

2008-11-02 Thread Ross Gardler


On 2 Nov 2008, at 11:15, Yeliz Eseryel wrote:



So I am looking forward to meeting and talking to the members of
podlings to understand what they go through. I am not sure who will be
here in New Orleans and from which podling. For those of you who are
attending ApacheCon--I would appreciate if you would drop me a line
and introduce yourself or say hi at when you see me (a female wearing
the pith helmet) during ApacheCon in new Orleans and say hi.



Yeliz, why not set this up as part of the BarCamp for those in New  
Orleans. Feel free to dovetail it with my already proposed session on  
FOSS and Education: How do we encourage the teaching and study of  
open development and open source. , I added the study part thinking  
of you folk.


http://barcamp.org/BarCampApache

Ross


And yes, you can take a picture with my pith helmet :) In fact, many
have done so in the past..

Thanks and looking forward to talking to you.
Yeliz.


--
Ms. Yeliz Eseryel
Ph.D Candidate in Information Science  Technology
Syracuse University School of Information Studies
Teaching Blog: http://enterprisesystems.blogspot.com
twitter.com/yeliz
yelix.blogspot.com

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[jira] Created: (INCUBATOR-100) document the process for a podling that has decided to go to dormant status

2008-11-02 Thread David Crossley (JIRA)
document the process for a podling that has decided to go to dormant status
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 Key: INCUBATOR-100
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-100
 Project: Incubator
  Issue Type: Task
  Components: site
Reporter: David Crossley


Document the process.

Some steps were thoughtfully provided by Leo and Matthieu for TripleSoup:
 Re: TripleSoup going into dormant mode
 http://markmail.org/message/kavm65g65x55wqr5

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Re: Donations Repo

2008-11-02 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 as david pointed, this is likely to be a permissions issue. you can
 either wait until we've sorted it out or create a JIRA containing the
 patch then post a reply. someone with karma will pick it up.

As PMC Chair, he should have Karma to add himself at the right spot in
the authorization file, right?

Cheers
Niclas

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