Re: Board will be proposing a new TLP

2012-07-01 Thread Mark Struberg

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 From: Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com
 To: Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de; general general@incubator.apache.org
  Another question: for which case do you like to use the voting tool?
 
 The idea is not to make it more widely used inside the ASF (we all have
 access to it and know where it is already). The idea is to make it more
 visible and accessible to external users.

Ok, that's a very valid point. Thanks for clarifying!


+0.7 for direct TLP (without incubation)
+1.0 for TLP (with incubation)

LieGrue,
strub


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Re: Board will be proposing a new TLP

2012-07-01 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
 Since all code was developed w/i the ASF, by ASF people, and
 is under the ALv2 (either implied/confirmed by the authors or
 explicit in the code itself), there is some debate on whether
 or not Incubation is even required... The board would like to
 recommend to the Incubator that the board simply proceed with
 the creation of this project at the next board meeting.

Is there already a community in terms of a group of people who drive
this forward and who are willing to continue? Or is this a random set
of people who will likely go away after creation of the TLP?

If there is no community it should go through incubation: the
incubator is also about community building. In addition i think the
incubator is a good way to initially set up resources. Also you reach
other projects: the incubator ml are read by lots of people around
apache, maybe you get some more committers from there.

That all being said, as the code was developed from ASF people under
the license and on ASF repositories, I have no problem with giving a
+1 for direct tlp creation.

Cheers
Christian

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Re: Board will be proposing a new TLP

2012-07-01 Thread Tim Williams
Incubation is unnecessary process in this case.  I don't see any reason
this should go through incubation.

--tim

On Saturday, June 30, 2012, Jim Jagielski wrote:

 For those not following board@, the board is proposing the creation
 of a new TLP (tentatively called Apache Steve) which will serve as
 the project behind our STV and voting tools.

 The impetus behind this was when I suggested to the OpenStack
 people to use STV for their voting system, which kind of re-kicked
 the idea in my head that our voting tools were too good to not
 provide as releasable code to the world at large.

 Since all code was developed w/i the ASF, by ASF people, and
 is under the ALv2 (either implied/confirmed by the authors or
 explicit in the code itself), there is some debate on whether
 or not Incubation is even required... The board would like to
 recommend to the Incubator that the board simply proceed with
 the creation of this project at the next board meeting.

 Thx.

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Re: AWF status

2012-07-01 Thread Niklas Gustavsson
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 In preparation for reviewing the hopefully upcoming report, I gave a
 brief look at how things are in the AWF podling.

 Unfortunately l see zero activity since April, which suggests that the
 temporary activity drop mentioned in the April report has become a
 more permanent state.

 AWF mentors, can you raise this issue with the community and report
 back with a plan of action (possibly to retire) ideally already in
 time for the July report?

There is indeed a suggestion to retire the project on the awf-dev list:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-awf-dev/201207.mbox/browser

Personally, I think it's time for retirement as activity has not
picked up despite some previous discussions about the projects future.

/niklas

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Re: [VOTE] Retire Kato

2012-07-01 Thread Benson Margulies
I'm going on vacation on Friday, so I'll send a summary on Thursday.
I'll be away for 10 days, so I won't be available to act on a decision
to retire the podling.


On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@apache.org wrote:
 +1...

 I'd say at least the normal 72 hours.

 On Jun 26, 2012, at 7:29 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:

 Based on the status of this podling as reported in the June board
 report, I propose that the IPMC retire the Kato podling.

 I'm not sure how long a vote for this should remain open.

 here is my +1.

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Re: AWF status

2012-07-01 Thread Emmanuel Lécharny

Le 7/1/12 9:00 PM, Niklas Gustavsson a écrit :

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:

In preparation for reviewing the hopefully upcoming report, I gave a
brief look at how things are in the AWF podling.

Unfortunately l see zero activity since April, which suggests that the
temporary activity drop mentioned in the April report has become a
more permanent state.

AWF mentors, can you raise this issue with the community and report
back with a plan of action (possibly to retire) ideally already in
time for the July report?

There is indeed a suggestion to retire the project on the awf-dev list:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-awf-dev/201207.mbox/browser

Personally, I think it's time for retirement as activity has not
picked up despite some previous discussions about the projects future.

I do agree.


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Regards,
Cordialement,
Emmanuel Lécharny
www.iktek.com


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Re: Shepherding: chukwa, mesos, directmemory

2012-07-01 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Niall Pemberton
niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Let me try this again.

 Chuckwa looks pretty normal; report in place, traffic on mailing list.
 I don't see any particular cause for concern. It's one of our podlings that
 is all set except for not having added committers. Mentors, do you think
 they could graduate anyhow?


 Neither DirectMemory or Mesos has filed a report yet, but also their
 dev lists look pretty good. DirectMemory does seem to lack a developer
 resource page on their web site that points to the mailing list(s).

 Maybe could be better being more prominent, but its under Project 
 Documentation:
 http://incubator.apache.org/directmemory/project-info.html

Sure enough. My mail to the dev list was more carefully written; it
seems to me that every project should have a 'how to get involved'
link really visible from the front page that includes the mailing
list. I'm not trying to make a to-do about this.



 http://incubator.apache.org/directmemory/project-info.html

 Mesos is another example of 'no added committers'. Same question.

 DirectMemory lacks only a release to be green across the launch control 
 board.

 Looks like a release is imminent:
 markmail.org/message/a3yczwysqognrtg4

 Niall

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Re: Shepherding: chukwa, mesos, directmemory

2012-07-01 Thread Alan D. Cabrera

On Jul 1, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:

 Let me try this again.
 
 Chuckwa looks pretty normal; report in place, traffic on mailing list.
 I don't see any particular cause for concern. It's one of our podlings that
 is all set except for not having added committers. Mentors, do you think
 they could graduate anyhow?


I was thinking that it should go into the Hadoop as a subproject or to the 
attic.  I see one developer valiantly holding the fort.  Great guy.  Nice body 
of code.  Not a lot of developers working on it.  I'm happy to, no, would love 
to change my opinion after some discussion about some different perspectives on 
this.


Regards,
Alan

 
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Re: Board will be proposing a new TLP

2012-07-01 Thread Alan D. Cabrera

On Jun 30, 2012, at 5:23 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:

 For those not following board@, the board is proposing the creation
 of a new TLP (tentatively called Apache Steve) which will serve as
 the project behind our STV and voting tools.
 
 The impetus behind this was when I suggested to the OpenStack
 people to use STV for their voting system, which kind of re-kicked
 the idea in my head that our voting tools were too good to not
 provide as releasable code to the world at large.
 
 Since all code was developed w/i the ASF, by ASF people, and
 is under the ALv2 (either implied/confirmed by the authors or
 explicit in the code itself), there is some debate on whether
 or not Incubation is even required... The board would like to
 recommend to the Incubator that the board simply proceed with
 the creation of this project at the next board meeting.

While I agree that it does not make sense to vet the initial set of project 
members and I'm sure that the code provenance is clean, I had always thought 
that a big part of the incubation process was to make sure that there's a 
vibrant community behind it.  I feel that I as a mentor I am placed in an 
awkward place as I put pressure on those podlings that do not have much 
community activity and now a bunch of board members expedite their project to a 
TLP.

I hope that someone can help me understand the current thinking about the 
vibrant community aspect that seems to be a requirement for incubation/TLP 
admission.

With that said, I am against accelerating this project directly into a TLP.


Regards,
Alan

 
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VXQuery Mentors

2012-07-01 Thread Vinayak Borkar

Hi Jukka,

We had started a vote (on 05/26/2012) to bring on board a new committer 
(Preston Carman) who has been submitting high-quality patches. While the 
vote got +1s from all the current VXQuery committers (four of us), we 
have not heard from any of our mentors. So the vote itself is stuck.


I am not sure what we should do at this time. Any guidance will be 
appreciated.


Thanks,
Vinayak

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Incubator PMC/Board report for Jul 2012 ([ppmc])

2012-07-01 Thread Marvin


Dear podling,

This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache Incubator 
PMC.
It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to prepare your quarterly
board report.

The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 18 July 2012, 10:00:00 PST. The report 
for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC report. The Incubator 
PMC 
requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks before the board meeting, to allow 
sufficient time for review and submission (Wed, Jul 4th).

Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the incubator PMC, and 
subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the very latest you 
should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board meeting.

Thanks,

The Apache Incubator PMC

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Your report should contain the following:

 * Your project name
 * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of the 
project
   or necessarily of its field
 * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move towards 
   graduation.
 * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be aware of
 * How has the community developed since the last report
 * How has the project developed since the last report.
 
This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:

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