[META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
Discussions on Ross' and Chris' proposals ground to a halt. In my view, there are real issues that drove those discussions, even if those discussions drove some of us to distraction. A bit before the wiki crashed, I wrote: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BensonApril2013ProcessProposals The TL;DR version of this is: 1: let's take Champions seriously as a role 2: let's ask for a minimal heartbeat from every podling every month As the person responsible for filing the report, it seems to me that I could, with some justification, ask the Champions and mentors to please comply with these ideas, with the goal of having a more accurate picture to present. However, I'd rather seek a consensus for these, or something like them, as a formal procedure. Note that I labelled this thread [META DISCUSS]. I invite people with views on these ideas to start a thread or threads as appropriate. I would ask people, as a favor to me and others, not to use these ideas as a launchpad 'let's radically restructure instead.' These will reach a consensus or not, and other proposals will reach a consensus or not, but I submit that it is easier on us all to deal with them one-at-a-time. --benson
Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
Having read your wiki post, I find it a simple, considered upping of the game, which I think would be worth the effort of trying, especially as the mini-reports don't get to the board unless there are issues. There really could do with being a little more 'cost' to being a podling, or a mentor for that matter, and this proposal moves gently in that direction. If folks approve, we'll need to seek champions for all existing podlings, and decide what to do about those for which we cannot identify one. Upayavira On Mon, May 6, 2013, at 02:56 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: Discussions on Ross' and Chris' proposals ground to a halt. In my view, there are real issues that drove those discussions, even if those discussions drove some of us to distraction. A bit before the wiki crashed, I wrote: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BensonApril2013ProcessProposals The TL;DR version of this is: 1: let's take Champions seriously as a role 2: let's ask for a minimal heartbeat from every podling every month As the person responsible for filing the report, it seems to me that I could, with some justification, ask the Champions and mentors to please comply with these ideas, with the goal of having a more accurate picture to present. However, I'd rather seek a consensus for these, or something like them, as a formal procedure. Note that I labelled this thread [META DISCUSS]. I invite people with views on these ideas to start a thread or threads as appropriate. I would ask people, as a favor to me and others, not to use these ideas as a launchpad 'let's radically restructure instead.' These will reach a consensus or not, and other proposals will reach a consensus or not, but I submit that it is easier on us all to deal with them one-at-a-time. --benson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
Hey Guys, Sorry but what are we discussing that's different from formalizing the role of the Champion, this thread originally started by Bertrand, and seconded by me and numerous others [1]? Cheers, Chris [1] http://s.apache.org/U6w ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ -Original Message- From: Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Date: Sunday, May 5, 2013 10:43 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC Having read your wiki post, I find it a simple, considered upping of the game, which I think would be worth the effort of trying, especially as the mini-reports don't get to the board unless there are issues. There really could do with being a little more 'cost' to being a podling, or a mentor for that matter, and this proposal moves gently in that direction. If folks approve, we'll need to seek champions for all existing podlings, and decide what to do about those for which we cannot identify one. Upayavira On Mon, May 6, 2013, at 02:56 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: Discussions on Ross' and Chris' proposals ground to a halt. In my view, there are real issues that drove those discussions, even if those discussions drove some of us to distraction. A bit before the wiki crashed, I wrote: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BensonApril2013ProcessProposals The TL;DR version of this is: 1: let's take Champions seriously as a role 2: let's ask for a minimal heartbeat from every podling every month As the person responsible for filing the report, it seems to me that I could, with some justification, ask the Champions and mentors to please comply with these ideas, with the goal of having a more accurate picture to present. However, I'd rather seek a consensus for these, or something like them, as a formal procedure. Note that I labelled this thread [META DISCUSS]. I invite people with views on these ideas to start a thread or threads as appropriate. I would ask people, as a favor to me and others, not to use these ideas as a launchpad 'let's radically restructure instead.' These will reach a consensus or not, and other proposals will reach a consensus or not, but I submit that it is easier on us all to deal with them one-at-a-time. --benson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
