Re: wiki access for ClimateModelDiagnosticAnalyzerProposal

2015-04-08 Thread Nick Burch

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File podling reports next month rather than late

2015-04-08 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote:
 General section looks grand.

 We have a few projects unreported, DataFu,  ODF Toolkit, OpenAz.

 I know a bit about Datafu which has been very quiet for some time.

 Who knows more about the others?

 Andrei, Konstantin, Suresh are the respective shepherds?  Any thoughts?

We should feel good about the content of the report for this month -- it
meets or exceeds our usual standards.  However, we've had a few process
glitches here at the end.

*   The report was filed with the Board on Tuesday -- one day early.
*   The report was sent to board@apache and committed to the Board's agenda
in svn, but private@incubator has not received a copy.
*   The version of the report filed with the Board contains changes which
were not added to the wiki version.
*   I neglected to let Ted know that he should mark the wiki as FINAL
before submitting to the Board.
*   At least one Mentor signoff was added to the wiki after the report was
filed.
*   OpenAZ just submitted a report moments ago.

I don't want OpenAZ to feel as though their report is unwanted, so I'm going
to take action to ensure that the Board sees it.  However...

The IPMC should not encourage podlings to file late reports.

First, the Board expects the Incubator to review podling reports, not just
forward them blindly.  When reports are late, Mentors, shepherds, and
community members are not fully able to take part in the review process --
including raising objections about what's in the report if necessary.

Second, we have a shortage of people who are willing to work on coordinating
the Incubator's report.  Adding to our workload with a bunch of last minute
changes is unhelpful.

The alternative is simply to encourage podlings to file a report next month
rather than file late.  Skipping one month is not a big deal.  For TLPs, the
Board has exactly the same preference -- file next month rather than at the
last minute, because last minute filings do not allow sufficient time for
review.

To clean up this month's report, I will take the following actions later
this evening.

1.  Add the changes from the filed version of the report to the wiki.
2.  Review the OpenAZ report to ensure that its format is consistent with
the rest of the report, add them to the podling summary, double check
the narrative, etc.
3.  Check for any other Mentor signoffs, etc. added after the report was
filed.
4.  Mark the wiki as final.
5.  Commit the modifications to the Board agenda.  Since I'm taking great
care to make sure things get done right and no Board member has yet
remarked on the Incubator's report, I trust that the Board and the IPMC
Chair will tolerate my overstep.
6.  Forward the final version of the report to private@incubator.

Thanks again to everyone who has contributed towards another strong report
from the Incubator this month -- I'm confident that we'll meet the same
standards next month but with smoother running.

Marvin Humphrey

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Re: File podling reports next month rather than late

2015-04-08 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 7:32 PM, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:02 PM Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com
 wrote:

 We should feel good about the content of the report for this month -- it
 meets or exceeds our usual standards.  However, we've had a few process
 glitches here at the end.

 *   The report was filed with the Board on Tuesday -- one day early.
 *   The report was sent to board@apache and committed to the Board's
 agenda in svn, but private@incubator has not received a copy.
 *   The version of the report filed with the Board contains changes which
 were not added to the wiki version.

 These last two to me are pretty bad.  Especially since I'm sitting in on a
 long drawn out discussion on a TLP where we have board members accusing PMC
 and committers of said TLP doing things behind peoples backs (no, not the
 incubator).  Considering this is Ted's first month as VP I'm going to assume
 this was purely him being a n00b at submitting the report.

Ted's additions to the narrative are very nice and are one of the reasons that
the report is strong this month.  Glitches are to be expected when there's a
new Chair.  Ted should feel confident that he has my support -- I want his
term in office to be a success, and it would be great if we didn't burn him
out so that maybe he sticks around to help the next Chair. ;)  We'll get the
process stuff tightened up.

 Second, we have a shortage of people who are willing to work on
 coordinating the Incubator's report.  Adding to our workload with a bunch
 of last minute changes is unhelpful.

 Good news at least, I'm back walking up right and most other issues are
 clearing off my plate so I should be able to help out again with the
 upcoming report.

Sweet!

We should try to recruit some more people to take a turn as Report Manager.
It would be great if you could help support them.

 I've taken care of formatting for OpenAZ.  Wiki's being super slow though.

Thanks!  I think the wiki slowness was related to the Infra emergency
maintenance (now completed successfully).

Marvin Humphrey

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Re: File podling reports next month rather than late

2015-04-08 Thread John D. Ament
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:02 PM Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com
wrote:

 On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote:
  General section looks grand.
 
  We have a few projects unreported, DataFu,  ODF Toolkit, OpenAz.
 
  I know a bit about Datafu which has been very quiet for some time.
 
  Who knows more about the others?
 
  Andrei, Konstantin, Suresh are the respective shepherds?  Any thoughts?

 We should feel good about the content of the report for this month -- it
 meets or exceeds our usual standards.  However, we've had a few process
 glitches here at the end.

 *   The report was filed with the Board on Tuesday -- one day early.
 *   The report was sent to board@apache and committed to the Board's
 agenda
 in svn, but private@incubator has not received a copy.
 *   The version of the report filed with the Board contains changes which
 were not added to the wiki version.


These last two to me are pretty bad.  Especially since I'm sitting in on a
long drawn out discussion on a TLP where we have board members accusing PMC
and committers of said TLP doing things behind peoples backs (no, not the
incubator).  Considering this is Ted's first month as VP I'm going to
assume this was purely him being a n00b at submitting the report.


 *   I neglected to let Ted know that he should mark the wiki as FINAL
 before submitting to the Board.
 *   At least one Mentor signoff was added to the wiki after the report was
 filed.
 *   OpenAZ just submitted a report moments ago.

 I don't want OpenAZ to feel as though their report is unwanted, so I'm
 going
 to take action to ensure that the Board sees it.  However...

 The IPMC should not encourage podlings to file late reports.


Agreed, though I feel like we've had this discussion before and I ended up
on the losing side of it.



 First, the Board expects the Incubator to review podling reports, not just
 forward them blindly.  When reports are late, Mentors, shepherds, and
 community members are not fully able to take part in the review process --
 including raising objections about what's in the report if necessary.

 Second, we have a shortage of people who are willing to work on
 coordinating
 the Incubator's report.  Adding to our workload with a bunch of last minute
 changes is unhelpful.


Good news at least, I'm back walking up right and most other issues are
clearing off my plate so I should be able to help out again with the
upcoming report.



 The alternative is simply to encourage podlings to file a report next month
 rather than file late.  Skipping one month is not a big deal.  For TLPs,
 the
 Board has exactly the same preference -- file next month rather than at the
 last minute, because last minute filings do not allow sufficient time for
 review.

 To clean up this month's report, I will take the following actions later
 this evening.

 1.  Add the changes from the filed version of the report to the wiki.
 2.  Review the OpenAZ report to ensure that its format is consistent with
 the rest of the report, add them to the podling summary, double check
 the narrative, etc.


I've taken care of formatting for OpenAZ.  Wiki's being super slow though.


 3.  Check for any other Mentor signoffs, etc. added after the report was
 filed.
 4.  Mark the wiki as final.
 5.  Commit the modifications to the Board agenda.  Since I'm taking great
 care to make sure things get done right and no Board member has yet
 remarked on the Incubator's report, I trust that the Board and the IPMC
 Chair will tolerate my overstep.
 6.  Forward the final version of the report to private@incubator.

 Thanks again to everyone who has contributed towards another strong report
 from the Incubator this month -- I'm confident that we'll meet the same
 standards next month but with smoother running.


You would think for a guy with such dedication to getting the board report
right, he'd be on the IPMC.



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Re: wiki access for ClimateModelDiagnosticAnalyzerProposal

2015-04-08 Thread Whitehall, Kim D (398M)
Thanks Nick!
Best regards,
Kim

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wiki access for ClimateModelDiagnosticAnalyzerProposal

2015-04-08 Thread Whitehall, Kim D (398M)
Hi,
my user account is kimwhitehall
I would like access to edit the ClimateModelDiagnosticAnalyzerProposal wiki

Thanks!

Best regards,
Kim















Re: IP Clearance Questions

2015-04-08 Thread Alex Harui


On 4/8/15, 11:09 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:

JIRA has been used for this purpose before.  However, if we're going to
the
trouble of codifying this process, is there any reason not to `svn mkdir`
the
`donations` directory and use it henceforth?

IMO, it would be better to not use SVN.  Most version control systems make
it difficult to truly delete something.  If something truly bad is in the
donation, you may get forced to truly delete it.  An SVN remove only hides
it.

I’ve been using reviews.a.o for donations.

-Alex



Re: IP Clearance Questions

2015-04-08 Thread jan i
On Wednesday, April 8, 2015, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 7:05 AM, jan i j...@apache.org javascript:;
 wrote:
  But even so In Corinthia we bended the rules and imported directly into
 out
  git repo. This still ensures a record == initial commit.

 I trust that Corinthia's actions were reasonable, but bending the rules
 is
 an approach you might take when the rules don't fit; it's not a
 justification
 for keeping bad rules.  We should fix this document so that it doesn't keep
 coming up.

+1, to me it seems we have a lot of projects where the initial repo == the
donation, so
I am for keeping it simple and remove the donation area from the doc.

we (IPMC) consider mostly new project. ASF as a whole must consider how to
handle donations which are addon to an existing codebase.




 Also, note that this particular form is not for incoming podlings.

  The important message here is that ASF must acknowledge the grant before
 it
  comes into any of our repos.

 The intent is also to assemble exactly what is being granted and provide a
 permanent legal record of the donation.

which is typically identical to the initial repo.



 If it's a tarball containing a export of from version control with no
 history,
 then it's clear: only that version.

 If it's a Git repo or a Subversion dump file, does the grant include all
 past
 commits on the mainline?  All branches, all tags?  What if there's some bad
 history?

This is simple if we get it with history, then it is included, however we
are well advised to
check that the SGA it is limited to current version.



 If it's a Git SHA, does the grant include all past commits, or other
 branches
 -- or is it only the *tree* represented by that SHA?

 Is anything crucial missing from the donation -- e.g. plugins,
 documentation,
 or platform-specific code maintained separately?

 The IP clearance process should ensure that all such questions are answered
 and entered into the permanent record.

is it not more correct to say that the IP clearance process must ensure
that the delivery does
not exceed the SGA.

rgds
jan i


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Re: File podling reports next month rather than late

2015-04-08 Thread Ted Dunning
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com
wrote:

 Thanks again to everyone who has contributed towards another strong report
 from the Incubator this month -- I'm confident that we'll meet the same
 standards next month but with smoother running.


Thanks for the help Marvin.  The processes are, as usual with Apache,
simple, but a bit opaque the first time around.

And thanks for Roman for helping with the transition.


Re: IP Clearance Questions

2015-04-08 Thread jan i
On Wednesday, April 8, 2015, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote:

 I would like to bring this question up again. BLOCKER.

 The http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/ip-clearance-template.html
 document states that

 quote
 *Note:* the grant form *must* be acknowledged before continuing. If the
 source is referenced by checksum in the grant, commit the canonical tarball
 for the donated code into the incubator drop area
 (/repos/asf/incubator/donations) together with a checksum and a detached
 signature. This will ensure that apache has a legal record of the grant.
 /quote

 which means that no one can complete this, without the drop area, unless
 there is a new process and this document is out of date.


why do you see the donations dir as a problem?

But even so In Corinthia we bended the rules and imported directly into out
git repo. This
still ensures a record == initial commit.

The important message here is that ASF must acknowledge the grant before it
comes into
any of our repos.

just my opinion, I am not the legal expert
jan i



 Cheers
 Niclas

 On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:29 AM, P. Taylor Goetz ptgo...@gmail.com
 javascript:; wrote:

  Thanks for the clarification, Ross. That's what I figured.
 
  In terms of the source drop, it's been attached to the associated JIRA,
  and the SHA1 is in the yet-to-be-submitted ip clearance XML, and should
 be
  in the grant as well. My guess is that MIGHT suffice in terms of it being
  documented in ASF-controlled systems.
 
  I'd like to hear if the incubator drop area has been moved, or deprecated
  in favor of an alternative process. Either way, we should think about
  updating the template/docs to reflect the current process.
 
  -Taylor
 
 
   On Mar 16, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
  ross.gard...@microsoft.com javascript:; wrote:
  
   1. CCLA is never used instead of an SGA, they serve different purposes.
  The SGA is for a body of work that pre-exists entry into the foundation.
  The CCLA is an optional document that says future work by named
 individuals
  can be contributed.
  
   2. Yes (although secretary tries his best to CC the appropriate people
  on his replies)
  
   3. Yes
  
   4. Pass - so I'll repeat the question for others - The incubator drop
  area [3] doesn't seem to exist. Where should I commit the tarball once
  everything else is in order?
  
   Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
   A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation
  
   -Original Message-
   From: P. Taylor Goetz [mailto:ptgo...@gmail.com javascript:;]
   Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:20 PM
   To: Incubator
   Subject: IP Clearance Questions
  
   I'm working on filling out the necessary IP Clearance paperwork for
 code
  donation and have a few questions (forgive me if they are stupid, this is
  my first time through the process):
  
   Based on the IP clearance template documentation [1]:
  
   1. When should a CCLA be used as opposed to a grant [2]?
   2. How do I verify that a grant or ccla has been acknowledged by the
 ASF
  Secretary? Poll the grants.txt/cclas.txt files for changes?
   3. I assume I don't commit anything until the grant/ccla has been
  acknowledged. Is this correct?
   4. The incubator drop area [3] doesn't seem to exist. Where should I
  commit the tarball once everything else is in order?
  
   Thanks in advance,
  
   -Taylor
  
  
   [1]
 http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/ip-clearance-template.html
   [2] https://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt
   [3] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/donations
  
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Re: IP Clearance Questions

2015-04-08 Thread Niclas Hedhman
I would like to bring this question up again. BLOCKER.

The http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/ip-clearance-template.html
document states that

quote
*Note:* the grant form *must* be acknowledged before continuing. If the
source is referenced by checksum in the grant, commit the canonical tarball
for the donated code into the incubator drop area
(/repos/asf/incubator/donations) together with a checksum and a detached
signature. This will ensure that apache has a legal record of the grant.
/quote

which means that no one can complete this, without the drop area, unless
there is a new process and this document is out of date.


Cheers
Niclas

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:29 AM, P. Taylor Goetz ptgo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for the clarification, Ross. That's what I figured.

 In terms of the source drop, it's been attached to the associated JIRA,
 and the SHA1 is in the yet-to-be-submitted ip clearance XML, and should be
 in the grant as well. My guess is that MIGHT suffice in terms of it being
 documented in ASF-controlled systems.

 I'd like to hear if the incubator drop area has been moved, or deprecated
 in favor of an alternative process. Either way, we should think about
 updating the template/docs to reflect the current process.

 -Taylor


  On Mar 16, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
 ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
 
  1. CCLA is never used instead of an SGA, they serve different purposes.
 The SGA is for a body of work that pre-exists entry into the foundation.
 The CCLA is an optional document that says future work by named individuals
 can be contributed.
 
  2. Yes (although secretary tries his best to CC the appropriate people
 on his replies)
 
  3. Yes
 
  4. Pass - so I'll repeat the question for others - The incubator drop
 area [3] doesn't seem to exist. Where should I commit the tarball once
 everything else is in order?
 
  Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
  A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation
 
  -Original Message-
  From: P. Taylor Goetz [mailto:ptgo...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:20 PM
  To: Incubator
  Subject: IP Clearance Questions
 
  I'm working on filling out the necessary IP Clearance paperwork for code
 donation and have a few questions (forgive me if they are stupid, this is
 my first time through the process):
 
  Based on the IP clearance template documentation [1]:
 
  1. When should a CCLA be used as opposed to a grant [2]?
  2. How do I verify that a grant or ccla has been acknowledged by the ASF
 Secretary? Poll the grants.txt/cclas.txt files for changes?
  3. I assume I don't commit anything until the grant/ccla has been
 acknowledged. Is this correct?
  4. The incubator drop area [3] doesn't seem to exist. Where should I
 commit the tarball once everything else is in order?
 
  Thanks in advance,
 
  -Taylor
 
 
  [1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/ip-clearance-template.html
  [2] https://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt
  [3] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/donations
 
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Climate Model Diagnostic Analyzer

2015-04-08 Thread Michael Joyce
Sounds great Chris. Thanks much. I'll get myself added in there in just a
second.


-- Joyce

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) 
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:

 Yes, Mike would love for you to help out!

 Please add yourself as a mentor thank you!

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 Chief Architect
 Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
 NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
 Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov
 WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Joyce jo...@apache.org
 Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
 Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 10:46 AM
 To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
 Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Climate Model Diagnostic Analyzer

 Great proposal Chris. If you're still looking for mentors I would be happy
 to help out.
 
 
 -- Joyce
 
 On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:24 AM, jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On 06/04/15 17:05, James Carman wrote:
   I would love to help out.  I don't know much about the problem domain,
   but I am a sciency kind of guy.
 
  Mentors don't need to know the problem domain.
 
  The most important quality of a mentor is outstanding communication
 skills.
 
  The second most important quality is knowing when to be diplomatic, and
  when not to be diplomatic.
 
  The third most important qualities are:
  * How to anticipate potential issues;
  * How to solve problems;
  * How to resolve points of difference;
  * How to guide a group into following _The Apache Way_;
  * Teaching the project how to solve problems;
 
  The legacy of a good mentor, is a project that anticipates potential
  issues, and solves them, without ever realizing that they have done so.
 
  jonathon
 
 


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Re: IP Clearance Questions

2015-04-08 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Ok, I was more reading it as must be placed into the drop box with the
checksum so it can be referenced properly.

In any event, I think the text is confusing me quite a bit and would like
to know what is 'proper' process for a GitHub project to come in? Does it
even make sense when Git has no 'canonical' repository?


Cheers
Niclas

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:05 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:

 On Wednesday, April 8, 2015, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote:

  I would like to bring this question up again. BLOCKER.
 
  The http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/ip-clearance-template.html
  document states that
 
  quote
  *Note:* the grant form *must* be acknowledged before continuing. If the
  source is referenced by checksum in the grant, commit the canonical
 tarball
  for the donated code into the incubator drop area
  (/repos/asf/incubator/donations) together with a checksum and a detached
  signature. This will ensure that apache has a legal record of the grant.
  /quote
 
  which means that no one can complete this, without the drop area,
 unless
  there is a new process and this document is out of date.


 why do you see the donations dir as a problem?

 But even so In Corinthia we bended the rules and imported directly into out
 git repo. This
 still ensures a record == initial commit.

 The important message here is that ASF must acknowledge the grant before it
 comes into
 any of our repos.

 just my opinion, I am not the legal expert
 jan i

 
 
  Cheers
  Niclas
 
  On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:29 AM, P. Taylor Goetz ptgo...@gmail.com
  javascript:; wrote:
 
   Thanks for the clarification, Ross. That's what I figured.
  
   In terms of the source drop, it's been attached to the associated JIRA,
   and the SHA1 is in the yet-to-be-submitted ip clearance XML, and should
  be
   in the grant as well. My guess is that MIGHT suffice in terms of it
 being
   documented in ASF-controlled systems.
  
   I'd like to hear if the incubator drop area has been moved, or
 deprecated
   in favor of an alternative process. Either way, we should think about
   updating the template/docs to reflect the current process.
  
   -Taylor
  
  
On Mar 16, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
   ross.gard...@microsoft.com javascript:; wrote:
   
1. CCLA is never used instead of an SGA, they serve different
 purposes.
   The SGA is for a body of work that pre-exists entry into the
 foundation.
   The CCLA is an optional document that says future work by named
  individuals
   can be contributed.
   
2. Yes (although secretary tries his best to CC the appropriate
 people
   on his replies)
   
3. Yes
   
4. Pass - so I'll repeat the question for others - The incubator drop
   area [3] doesn't seem to exist. Where should I commit the tarball once
   everything else is in order?
   
Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation
   
-Original Message-
From: P. Taylor Goetz [mailto:ptgo...@gmail.com javascript:;]
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:20 PM
To: Incubator
Subject: IP Clearance Questions
   
I'm working on filling out the necessary IP Clearance paperwork for
  code
   donation and have a few questions (forgive me if they are stupid, this
 is
   my first time through the process):
   
Based on the IP clearance template documentation [1]:
   
1. When should a CCLA be used as opposed to a grant [2]?
2. How do I verify that a grant or ccla has been acknowledged by the
  ASF
   Secretary? Poll the grants.txt/cclas.txt files for changes?
3. I assume I don't commit anything until the grant/ccla has been
   acknowledged. Is this correct?
4. The incubator drop area [3] doesn't seem to exist. Where should I
   commit the tarball once everything else is in order?
   
Thanks in advance,
   
-Taylor
   
   
[1]
  http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/ip-clearance-template.html
[2] https://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt
[3] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/donations
   
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Re: IP Clearance Questions

2015-04-08 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 7:05 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
 But even so In Corinthia we bended the rules and imported directly into out
 git repo. This still ensures a record == initial commit.

I trust that Corinthia's actions were reasonable, but bending the rules is
an approach you might take when the rules don't fit; it's not a justification
for keeping bad rules.  We should fix this document so that it doesn't keep
coming up.

Also, note that this particular form is not for incoming podlings.

 The important message here is that ASF must acknowledge the grant before it
 comes into any of our repos.

The intent is also to assemble exactly what is being granted and provide a
permanent legal record of the donation.

If it's a tarball containing a export of from version control with no history,
then it's clear: only that version.

If it's a Git repo or a Subversion dump file, does the grant include all past
commits on the mainline?  All branches, all tags?  What if there's some bad
history?

If it's a Git SHA, does the grant include all past commits, or other branches
-- or is it only the *tree* represented by that SHA?

Is anything crucial missing from the donation -- e.g. plugins, documentation,
or platform-specific code maintained separately?

The IP clearance process should ensure that all such questions are answered
and entered into the permanent record.

Marvin Humphrey

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Climate Model Diagnostic Analyzer

2015-04-08 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
Yes, Mike would love for you to help out!

Please add yourself as a mentor thank you!

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-Original Message-
From: Michael Joyce jo...@apache.org
Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 10:46 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Climate Model Diagnostic Analyzer

Great proposal Chris. If you're still looking for mentors I would be happy
to help out.


-- Joyce

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:24 AM, jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 06/04/15 17:05, James Carman wrote:
  I would love to help out.  I don't know much about the problem domain,
  but I am a sciency kind of guy.

 Mentors don't need to know the problem domain.

 The most important quality of a mentor is outstanding communication
skills.

 The second most important quality is knowing when to be diplomatic, and
 when not to be diplomatic.

 The third most important qualities are:
 * How to anticipate potential issues;
 * How to solve problems;
 * How to resolve points of difference;
 * How to guide a group into following _The Apache Way_;
 * Teaching the project how to solve problems;

 The legacy of a good mentor, is a project that anticipates potential
 issues, and solves them, without ever realizing that they have done so.

 jonathon




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Re: IP Clearance Questions

2015-04-08 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 6:31 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote:
 I would like to bring this question up again. BLOCKER.

 The http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/ip-clearance-template.html
 document states that

 quote
 *Note:* the grant form *must* be acknowledged before continuing. If the
 source is referenced by checksum in the grant, commit the canonical tarball
 for the donated code into the incubator drop area
 (/repos/asf/incubator/donations) together with a checksum and a detached
 signature. This will ensure that apache has a legal record of the grant.
 /quote

 which means that no one can complete this, without the drop area, unless
 there is a new process and this document is out of date.

JIRA has been used for this purpose before.  However, if we're going to the
trouble of codifying this process, is there any reason not to `svn mkdir` the
`donations` directory and use it henceforth?

There are also outdated references to ASF SVN in that document which should
be changed to ASF version control or similar.

Marvin Humphrey

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