Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate NiFi from the Apache Incubator
On 12 June 2015 at 09:18, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi, Although it's not a strict requirement, the board likes to have at least one ASF member in the new project's PMC. Unless I missed someone I don't think that's the case in proposed PMC members list. It looks like none of the proposed PMC members are committers in other projects, which makes this one very disconnected without at least an ASF member on board. Thanks for catching this. The reason I asked for a bit a statistic, was to get a feeling for how integrated the project is in ASF, I hope my feeling about the project being disconnected is wrong ! The best way to fix this is for one or two of your mentors who are ASF members to stay on the new PMC, are any of them interested? That takes care of the formalities (which are no even really formalities), but one reason to be in incubator is to learn the apache way and that seems hard to learn without other apache people on the project. my 2ct. rgds jan i. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate NiFi from the Apache Incubator
Hi Sergio, On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Sergio Fernández wik...@apache.org wrote: ...I could jump in case is considered necessary. Unfortunately I can't promise that much in terms of code contribution... It's fine IMO to have 1-2 ASF members on the PMC even if they're not very active in terms of code. It helps make the liaison with other Apache projects and with the foundation in general. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate NiFi from the Apache Incubator
Hi, Although it's not a strict requirement, the board likes to have at least one ASF member in the new project's PMC. Unless I missed someone I don't think that's the case in proposed PMC members list. It looks like none of the proposed PMC members are committers in other projects, which makes this one very disconnected without at least an ASF member on board. The best way to fix this is for one or two of your mentors who are ASF members to stay on the new PMC, are any of them interested? -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate NiFi from the Apache Incubator
Hi Bertrand, On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: The best way to fix this is for one or two of your mentors who are ASF members to stay on the new PMC, are any of them interested? Initially I was thinking to step off on graduation. But I could jump in case is considered necessary. Unfortunately I can't promise that much in terms of code contribution... -- Sergio Fernández Partner Technology Manager Redlink GmbH m: +43 6602747925 e: sergio.fernan...@redlink.co w: http://redlink.co
Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate NiFi from the Apache Incubator
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:00 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: ...one reason to be in incubator is to learn the apache way and that seems hard to learn without other apache people on the project... Not sure what you mean - the Nifi mentors have voted to graduate it, which indicates that they are confident that the project has learned how to operate as an Apache project. Still, in addition to acting as a liaison, having ASF members on the PMC is also a good way to have some form of post-graduation mentoring, when needed. Projects can always ask the board for advice, but when that advice is available in their PMC that's much better. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate NiFi from the Apache Incubator
Writing as a member and a mentor, I think that the NiFi podling will do fine without the 'usual' ASF member that Bertrand is asking about. However, because I think they'll do fine, I'll sign up if it makes people more comfy, secure in my belief that I will be a maytag repairman. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 6:13 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:00 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: ...one reason to be in incubator is to learn the apache way and that seems hard to learn without other apache people on the project... Not sure what you mean - the Nifi mentors have voted to graduate it, which indicates that they are confident that the project has learned how to operate as an Apache project. Still, in addition to acting as a liaison, having ASF members on the PMC is also a good way to have some form of post-graduation mentoring, when needed. Projects can always ask the board for advice, but when that advice is available in their PMC that's much better. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Graduate NiFi from the Apache Incubator
As Sean says he's been engaged with the project while acting as mentor, IMHO beyond mentor-ly duties. If the NiFi folks will have him on the initial PMC and he's willing to join it, this should resolve the stated concerns. On Friday, June 12, 2015, Sean Busbey bus...@cloudera.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org javascript:; wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Sean Busbey bus...@cloudera.com javascript:; wrote: ...I have no reason to believe either my engagement or the PPMC's willingness to reach out to or listen to what I have to say will change upon graduation, so I don't think they need a checkbox ASF member on the initial PMC and I'd prefer they not add one... It's not about ticking a checkbox - it's about an ASF member agreeing to stay with the project to help here and there with things where members can help. Understood. I can't speak for any other ASF member, but I'm already there, engaged, and planning to stay. I don't need a binding PMC vote to do that. -- Sean -- Best regards, - Andy Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein (via Tom White)
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Graduate NiFi from the Apache Incubator
Sean is one of those folks i referred to. Id be an easy +1 On Jun 12, 2015 9:24 AM, Andrew Purtell apurt...@apache.org wrote: As Sean says he's been engaged with the project while acting as mentor, IMHO beyond mentor-ly duties. If the NiFi folks will have him on the initial PMC and he's willing to join it, this should resolve the stated concerns. On Friday, June 12, 2015, Sean Busbey bus...@cloudera.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org javascript:; wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Sean Busbey bus...@cloudera.com javascript:; wrote: ...I have no reason to believe either my engagement or the PPMC's willingness to reach out to or listen to what I have to say will change upon graduation, so I don't think they need a checkbox ASF member on the initial PMC and I'd prefer they not add one... It's not about ticking a checkbox - it's about an ASF member agreeing to stay with the project to help here and there with things where members can help. Understood. I can't speak for any other ASF member, but I'm already there, engaged, and planning to stay. I don't need a binding PMC vote to do that. -- Sean -- Best regards, - Andy Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein (via Tom White)
Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate NiFi from the Apache Incubator
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:13 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:00 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: ...one reason to be in incubator is to learn the apache way and that seems hard to learn without other apache people on the project... Not sure what you mean - the Nifi mentors have voted to graduate it, which indicates that they are confident that the project has learned how to operate as an Apache project. Still, in addition to acting as a liaison, having ASF members on the PMC is also a good way to have some form of post-graduation mentoring, when needed. Projects can always ask the board for advice, but when that advice is available in their PMC that's much better. I have been active on the project and thus far the PPMC has had no problem asking for feedback or getting (often unsolicited ;) ) advice, all without needing me to be on the PPMC. I have no reason to believe either my engagement or the PPMC's willingness to reach out to or listen to what I have to say will change upon graduation, so I don't think they need a checkbox ASF member on the initial PMC and I'd prefer they not add one. -Sean
Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate NiFi from the Apache Incubator
Hello it would be nice to see a bit of statistics like number of releases in incubator, growth in incubator… Mailing lists: The dev mailing list has 123 legit addresses on it and is quite active for discussion, votes, feature ideas, etc.. We’ve just recently created a user list as requested by non-developer users which is now at 38. We have 30 people who really like to get a ton of emails on our commits list. Releases: We have produced three releases in the past 6 months with two different release managers (RM). Our project adheres rather strictly to the letter and spirit of the licensing and legal guidance ensuring that all source and runtime dependencies are properly accounted for in the source release license and notice and ensuring that every binary artifact produced also includes detailed and precise accounting in its local license and notice. We are now closing in on our fourth release and I suspect we’ll level off around a monthly release cadence. We've put together detailed guidance for how to properly handle the licensing that augments existing guidance and policy and we've also created release guides to help ensure we can effectively RM and have community members participate in the vote: http://nifi.incubator.apache.org/release-guide.html http://nifi.incubator.apache.org/licensing-guide.html Commit Activity: 29 different people have committed to the codebase over the last 6 months with 14 different people committing in the past two months. We’ve received over 67 PRs through Github including new features, improvements to existing features, or bug fixes. PPMC Growth: We have added three new PPMC members as of the time of writing this and we hope to announce our fourth new PPMC member within days. We see contribution in various forms from a significant number of folks. And there are consistent contributions coming from a couple specific people in the form of email activity, vote contributions, code commits, and code review feedback that suggest our pipeline is strong. Committer independence: The graduation resolution proposal we put forward includes folks from several different independent organizations including Requitest, Twitter, iJet, US Gov, Onyx Consulting, and Onyara. Should it be necessary we’re honored that some of our mentors are happy to stay onboard. While I think we’ve effectively demonstrated awareness of and commitment to the Apache Way we recognize the value of their experience. And thank you to Benson and Sergio for already offering. Thanks Joe On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Sean Busbey bus...@cloudera.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:13 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:00 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: ...one reason to be in incubator is to learn the apache way and that seems hard to learn without other apache people on the project... Not sure what you mean - the Nifi mentors have voted to graduate it, which indicates that they are confident that the project has learned how to operate as an Apache project. Still, in addition to acting as a liaison, having ASF members on the PMC is also a good way to have some form of post-graduation mentoring, when needed. Projects can always ask the board for advice, but when that advice is available in their PMC that's much better. I have been active on the project and thus far the PPMC has had no problem asking for feedback or getting (often unsolicited ;) ) advice, all without needing me to be on the PPMC. I have no reason to believe either my engagement or the PPMC's willingness to reach out to or listen to what I have to say will change upon graduation, so I don't think they need a checkbox ASF member on the initial PMC and I'd prefer they not add one. -Sean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate NiFi from the Apache Incubator
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Sean Busbey bus...@cloudera.com wrote: ...I have no reason to believe either my engagement or the PPMC's willingness to reach out to or listen to what I have to say will change upon graduation, so I don't think they need a checkbox ASF member on the initial PMC and I'd prefer they not add one... It's not about ticking a checkbox - it's about an ASF member agreeing to stay with the project to help here and there with things where members can help. Understood. I can't speak for any other ASF member, but I'm already there, engaged, and planning to stay. I don't need a binding PMC vote to do that. -- Sean
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Graduate NiFi from the Apache Incubator
Sean sure makes more sense than me. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Joe Witt joe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Sean is one of those folks i referred to. Id be an easy +1 On Jun 12, 2015 9:24 AM, Andrew Purtell apurt...@apache.org wrote: As Sean says he's been engaged with the project while acting as mentor, IMHO beyond mentor-ly duties. If the NiFi folks will have him on the initial PMC and he's willing to join it, this should resolve the stated concerns. On Friday, June 12, 2015, Sean Busbey bus...@cloudera.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org javascript:; wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Sean Busbey bus...@cloudera.com javascript:; wrote: ...I have no reason to believe either my engagement or the PPMC's willingness to reach out to or listen to what I have to say will change upon graduation, so I don't think they need a checkbox ASF member on the initial PMC and I'd prefer they not add one... It's not about ticking a checkbox - it's about an ASF member agreeing to stay with the project to help here and there with things where members can help. Understood. I can't speak for any other ASF member, but I'm already there, engaged, and planning to stay. I don't need a binding PMC vote to do that. -- Sean -- Best regards, - Andy Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein (via Tom White) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate NiFi from the Apache Incubator
thanks for the responses I will cast a +1 at vote time. sorry for asking the questions, but I was insecure. rgds jan i On Friday, June 12, 2015, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Sean sure makes more sense than me. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Joe Witt joe.w...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Sean is one of those folks i referred to. Id be an easy +1 On Jun 12, 2015 9:24 AM, Andrew Purtell apurt...@apache.org javascript:; wrote: As Sean says he's been engaged with the project while acting as mentor, IMHO beyond mentor-ly duties. If the NiFi folks will have him on the initial PMC and he's willing to join it, this should resolve the stated concerns. On Friday, June 12, 2015, Sean Busbey bus...@cloudera.com javascript:; wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org javascript:; javascript:; wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Sean Busbey bus...@cloudera.com javascript:; javascript:; wrote: ...I have no reason to believe either my engagement or the PPMC's willingness to reach out to or listen to what I have to say will change upon graduation, so I don't think they need a checkbox ASF member on the initial PMC and I'd prefer they not add one... It's not about ticking a checkbox - it's about an ASF member agreeing to stay with the project to help here and there with things where members can help. Understood. I can't speak for any other ASF member, but I'm already there, engaged, and planning to stay. I don't need a binding PMC vote to do that. -- Sean -- Best regards, - Andy Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein (via Tom White) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org javascript:; For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org javascript:; -- Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate NiFi from the Apache Incubator
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Sean Busbey bus...@cloudera.com wrote: ...I have no reason to believe either my engagement or the PPMC's willingness to reach out to or listen to what I have to say will change upon graduation, so I don't think they need a checkbox ASF member on the initial PMC and I'd prefer they not add one... It's not about ticking a checkbox - it's about an ASF member agreeing to stay with the project to help here and there with things where members can help. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
