Re: I still don't see your priorities
Unfortunately you come across to me in the worst possible manner, not happy with the status quo and only complaining. ASF works in a manner of; a. Do-acracy. Don't expect anyone else but you to make the changes you want to see. b. Small reversible steps. Suggesting (and/or executing) very big changes are likely to be rejected due to risks. c. Previous merit weighs in heavily in new proposals. If I say X, it will be skipped over a lot than if JimJag says X, as people will assume that he has put more thought into it, since previous changes coming from him has turned out very well. That doesn't mean that relative newcomers have no say, or impact. There are plenty of recent ASFers, that has made huge impact on both ASF and people. That normally shows up in Board nominations... So instead of writing mails about what other people should do, how about acting on the above advice, Propose, Gather support, Execute. Easy? Perhaps not, that depends on what your goals are... Cheers Niclas On Jul 4, 2015 21:34, Stefan Reich stefan.reich.maker.of@googlemail.com wrote: BTW I'm not even talking about payments. I talk about *collaborating*. And I do understand perfectly fine. Stefan Am 04.07.2015 19:26 schrieb Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org: Am 04.07.2015 18:53, schrieb Stefan Reich: You wait for something to exist, and THEN you support it? How about taking something good that WANTS TO EXIST, and supporting that? Stefan, you sill don't understand that the ASF is basically a bunch of people supporting open source in their free time. All the infrastructure is almost completely done by volunteers. If someone gets money for working on an apache project, it is usually not the ASF doing the payments. And given that time is of the essence I find it perfectly fine to expect some basic work has been done already. 9 of 10 new opensource projects fail in the earlest stages. bye blackdrag -- Jochen blackdrag Theodorou blog: http://blackdragsview.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: I still don't see your priorities
Hi again, sorry, I was not clear enough when I mentioned time. I guess it did let you think in the wrong direction. 3 years is time, yes, but what counts is the work done and the diversity. What about contributors/committer? You should come with a couple of people (4+) that can work actively on the project. Also, just because you are an apache project does not mean you will automatically get more people. The name can help, but it is still your project, that has to do the actual work. And with work I mean not only development, but also community build. Collaboration comes with a healthy community. And if you understand all that perfectly fine, then what keeps you from gathering a few people and make a proposal? Am 04.07.2015 21:32, schrieb Stefan Reich: Basic work for TinyBrain has been done. It's been at least 3 years. Am 04.07.2015 19:26 schrieb Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org: Am 04.07.2015 18:53, schrieb Stefan Reich: You wait for something to exist, and THEN you support it? How about taking something good that WANTS TO EXIST, and supporting that? Stefan, you sill don't understand that the ASF is basically a bunch of people supporting open source in their free time. All the infrastructure is almost completely done by volunteers. If someone gets money for working on an apache project, it is usually not the ASF doing the payments. And given that time is of the essence I find it perfectly fine to expect some basic work has been done already. 9 of 10 new opensource projects fail in the earlest stages. bye blackdrag -- Jochen blackdrag Theodorou blog: http://blackdragsview.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Jochen blackdrag Theodorou blog: http://blackdragsview.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [IP CLEARANCE] HornetQ code grant
AFAIK, a CCLA from RedHat is not the correct agreement. It should have been a Software Grant. CCLA is acknowledgement that staff are allowed to contribute in the future. Software Grant is an agreement from the copyright owner that it approves that the IP can continue its life at ASF. Niclas On Jul 2, 2015 12:38, Gary Tully gtu...@apache.org wrote: Hello, on behalf of the ActiveMQ project I would like to request a check of the IP clearance for the HornetQ code grant: https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/public/trunk/content/ip-clearance/hornetq.xml?view=markup Easier to read html version: http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/hornetq.html Please vote to approve this grant. Lazy consensus applies. If no -1 votes are cast within the next 72 hours, the vote passes. Thank you, Gary. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [IP CLEARANCE] HornetQ code grant
On Jul 5, 2015 2:58 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: AFAIK, a CCLA from RedHat is not the correct agreement. It should have been a Software Grant. Agreed. This might explain why I can't find an SGA. If there is no SGA on file I am -1 (binding). Similar issue as Usergrid BTW. CCLA is acknowledgement that staff are allowed to contribute in the future. Software Grant is an agreement from the copyright owner that it approves that the IP can continue its life at ASF. Niclas On Jul 2, 2015 12:38, Gary Tully gtu...@apache.org wrote: Hello, on behalf of the ActiveMQ project I would like to request a check of the IP clearance for the HornetQ code grant: https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/public/trunk/content/ip-clearance/hornetq.xml?view=markup Easier to read html version: http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/hornetq.html Please vote to approve this grant. Lazy consensus applies. If no -1 votes are cast within the next 72 hours, the vote passes. Thank you, Gary. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: July 2015 Report
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Julian Hyde jh...@apache.org wrote: I am the person who usually writes the incubator report, and I have been on vacation for the last 7 days. So, it looks as if Calcite has missed the deadline for this month. My apologies to the IPMC and to our shepherd P. Taylor Goetz. If it would be acceptable to file a report early tomorrow (Sun 5th) I can do that; please let me know. Otherwise I presume that Calcite will be reporting in August, and I will make sure that the report is filed on time. Perhaps this is an opportunity to get someone else from the Calcite community involved in reporting. It shouldn't be the case that everyone relies on one person to handle the report and if they don't do it it doesn't get done. Missing one month is not a big deal, either in the Incubator or as a TLP, so long as one month doesn't become two and then three and so on -- we just note that the report wasn't received and mark it as expected next month. In contrast, filing at the last minute compresses the schedule and tightens the requirements on other people involved: Mentors (and for TLPs, Board Members) who are expected to review the report, and especially the Incubator volunteer or Board member who is assigned as shepherd and who is expected to perform a more thorough review. Different people will tell you different things as to whether you should file at the last minute or wait. In my view, the most courteous approach is to acknowledge the late report pro-actively and announce the intent to file next month, pre-empting any inquiry as to why the report was missed. But some other people consider that too rigid and will encourage filing at the last minute. Ultimately, the only hard and fast rule is that if you file late enough, you may not get the necessary signoffs: at least one Mentor for a podling's report, and at least 5 Directors (I think) for a TLP report. Marvin Humphrey - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: July 2015 Report
Hi Julian,
I'm okay with a late report. From a shepherds standpoint, the podling report is
only part of what needs to be reviewed.
Also I'm usually late with my shepherd reports since the Sunday deadline is
somewhat inconvenient due to family, etc., but I always try to get it in by
noon eastern time the following day.
I think a late report (24-48 hrs., give or take) is perfectly tolerable on
occasion, as long as it doesn't become habitual.
-Taylor
On Jul 5, 2015, at 1:12 AM, Julian Hyde jh...@apache.org wrote:
I am the person who usually writes the incubator report, and I have been on
vacation for the last 7 days. So, it looks as if Calcite has missed the
deadline for this month. My apologies to the IPMC and to our shepherd P.
Taylor Goetz.
If it would be acceptable to file a report early tomorrow (Sun 5th) I can do
that; please let me know. Otherwise I presume that Calcite will be reporting
in August, and I will make sure that the report is filed on time.
Julian
On Jun 27, 2015, at 10:44 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@apache.org wrote:
Greetings, {podling} developers,
The marvin automated report reminder script didn't fire for whatever
reason this week, so I'm sending out a bulk reminder manually for the 15
podlings who are expected to submit a July 2015 report. Boilerplate
reminder text below.
Best,
Marvin Humphrey
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Dear podling,
This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to
prepare your quarterly board report.
The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 15 July 2015, 10:30 am Pacific.
The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks
before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
submission (Wed, July 1st).
Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the incubator
PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board
meeting.
Thanks,
The Apache Incubator PMC
Submitting your Report
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Your report should contain the following:
* Your project name
* A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of
the project or necessarily of its field
* A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
towards graduation.
* Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be
aware of
* How has the community developed since the last report
* How has the project developed since the last report.
This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/July2015
Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little before
this page is created from a template.
Mentors
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following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms
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Re: [IP CLEARANCE] HornetQ code grant
Actually, if you look at the CCLA you will see that you can also do a software grant with it. Ralph On Jul 4, 2015, at 11:58 PM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: AFAIK, a CCLA from RedHat is not the correct agreement. It should have been a Software Grant. CCLA is acknowledgement that staff are allowed to contribute in the future. Software Grant is an agreement from the copyright owner that it approves that the IP can continue its life at ASF. Niclas On Jul 2, 2015 12:38, Gary Tully gtu...@apache.org wrote: Hello, on behalf of the ActiveMQ project I would like to request a check of the IP clearance for the HornetQ code grant: https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/public/trunk/content/ip-clearance/hornetq.xml?view=markup Easier to read html version: http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/hornetq.html Please vote to approve this grant. Lazy consensus applies. If no -1 votes are cast within the next 72 hours, the vote passes. Thank you, Gary. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
