Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Accept Hivemall into the Apache Incubator

[Makoto Yui]

Thanks everyone who joined the discussion and voting.

Regards,
Makoto

2016-09-13 9:23 GMT+09:00 Roman Shaposhnik :
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 10:47 PM, Roman Shaposhnik  wrote:
>> Following the discussion thread, I would like to call a
>> VOTE on accepting Hivemall into the Apache Incubator.
>>
>> [] +1 Accept Hivemall into the Apache Incubator
>> [] +0 Abstain.
>> [] -1 Do not accept Hivemall into the Apache Incubator because ...
>>
>> This vote will be open until 11:59am PST 9th of September 2016
>>
>> The proposal is attached, but you can also access it on the wiki:
>>https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HivemallProposal
>
> With 4 binding +1 votes, 1 non-binding +1 vote
> and 0 negative votes this vote PASSES. Thanks to
> everyone who voted. Here's a tally:
>
> Binding +1:
> Reynold Xin
> Chris Douglas
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> Roman Shaposhnik
> Non-binding +1:
> Moon Soo Lee
>
> I'll file INFRA JIRAs to get the project setup in the incubator
> soon.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
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Re: [DISCUSS] Spot Incubation Proposal

[Lars Francke]

Thank you Doug.

On a cursory look this seems related to the currently incubating Metron
project. The documentation on both projects is relatively scarce. Do you
happen to have any insight on overlap between those two or am I completely
off here by comparing those two?

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 7:50 PM, Doug Cutting  wrote:

> Please find attached a proposal for a new podling, Apache Spot, a
> platform for network telemetry (packet, flow, and proxy at the moment)
> built on an open data model and Apache Hadoop.
>
> The draft proposal is on the wiki at:
>
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/SpotProposal
>
> I have also included the current text of that page below.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug
>
> = SpotProposal =
>
> == Abstract ==
>
> Spot is an open source platform for network telemetry (packet, flow,
> and proxy at the moment) built on an open data model and Apache
> Hadoop.
>
> == Proposal ==
>
> Spot (formerly Open Network Insight, or ONI) is an open source
> solution for network telemetry (packet, flow, and proxy at the moment)
> built on an open data model and Apache Hadoop. It provides ingestion
> and transformation of binary data, scalable machine learning, and
> interactive visualization for identifying threats in network flows and
> DNS packets.
>
> Spot has a pluggable architecture that can accommodate multiple open
> data models. Although cybersecurity/network-intrusion analysis is the
> initial use case for Spot, we are actively encouraging the
> contribution of new models that will enable other adjacent
> applications, such as fraud detection or IT-operational analytics such
> as performance and health monitoring. Because these models are open,
> users maintain control of their own data.
>
> More information on Spot can be found at the existing project website
> at http://open-network-insight.org/.
>
> == Background ==
>
> It almost goes without saying that cybersecurity is an acute and
> paramount concern globally, for organizations of all types and
> sizes. Fortunately, thanks to the availability of massively scalable
> (in the PBs) data infrastructure, security professionals can now make
> authentically data-driven decisions about how they protect their
> assets. For example, records of network traffic, captured as network
> flows, are often stored and analyzed for use in network management,
> and this same information can provide valuable insights into network
> vulnerabilities.
>
> Cybersecurity is just one example, however: There are other examples
> of adjacent use cases, such as user fraud detection or IT-operations
> analytics, that would benefit from the combination of Spot
> functionality and PB-scale data sets for analysis.
>
> == Rationale ==
>
> Although cybersecurity is its initial use case/data model, Spot is
> intended to more generally tackle the dual challenges of facilitating
> the development of big data-driven analytic solutions, while helping
> vendors avoid having to create one/off infrastructure for each use
> case. Spot will eliminate issues related to vendor data models that
> create silos between solutions, and that make it difficult for users
> to consume these innovations from multiple vendors. In summary, Spot
> will accelerate the development of new massively scalable analytic
> applications that give users more flexibility, and more choices.
>
> As an initial effort, we are now seeking to build an ecosystem of
> developers, data scientists, and security professionals to make Spot
> the open, community-driven, cybersecurity platform standard it needs
> to become. By bringing Spot to Apache, we hope to galvanize these
> groups to cooperate in this highly matrixed effort, and to build a
> global, and diverse, Spot community.
>
> == Initial Goals ==
>
> Move the existing codebase, website, documentation, and mailing lists
> to Apache-hosted infrastructure Work with the infrastructure team to
> implement and approve our build and testing workflows in the context
> of the ASF Incremental development and releases per Apache guidelines
>
> == Current Status ==
>
> === Releases ===
>
> Spot has undergone one public release (1.0). This initial release was
> not performed in the typical ASF fashion; we will adopt the ASF source
> release process upon joining the incubator.
>
> === Source ===
>
> Spot’s source, including core platform and associated submodules, is
> currently hosted in several GitHub repositories under the indicated
> licenses:
>
>  * Core (Apache License 2.0)
>  * Oni-ingest (Apache License 2.0)
>  * Oni-ml (Apache License 2.0
>  * Oni-oa (BSD & MIT)
>  * Oni-setup (Apache License 2.0)
>  * Oni-nfdump (BSD)
>  * Oni-lda-c (GNU General Public License version 2)
>
> The repositories will be transitioned to Apache’s git hosting during
> incubation.  Issues related to GPL code will be resolved during
> incubation.
>
>
> === Issue Tracking ===
>
> Spot’s bug and feature tracking is hosted on Github at:
>
>  * 

[DISCUSS] Spot Incubation Proposal

[Doug Cutting]

Please find attached a proposal for a new podling, Apache Spot, a
platform for network telemetry (packet, flow, and proxy at the moment)
built on an open data model and Apache Hadoop.

The draft proposal is on the wiki at:

https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/SpotProposal

I have also included the current text of that page below.

Thanks,

Doug

= SpotProposal =

== Abstract ==

Spot is an open source platform for network telemetry (packet, flow,
and proxy at the moment) built on an open data model and Apache
Hadoop.

== Proposal ==

Spot (formerly Open Network Insight, or ONI) is an open source
solution for network telemetry (packet, flow, and proxy at the moment)
built on an open data model and Apache Hadoop. It provides ingestion
and transformation of binary data, scalable machine learning, and
interactive visualization for identifying threats in network flows and
DNS packets.

Spot has a pluggable architecture that can accommodate multiple open
data models. Although cybersecurity/network-intrusion analysis is the
initial use case for Spot, we are actively encouraging the
contribution of new models that will enable other adjacent
applications, such as fraud detection or IT-operational analytics such
as performance and health monitoring. Because these models are open,
users maintain control of their own data.

More information on Spot can be found at the existing project website
at http://open-network-insight.org/.

== Background ==

It almost goes without saying that cybersecurity is an acute and
paramount concern globally, for organizations of all types and
sizes. Fortunately, thanks to the availability of massively scalable
(in the PBs) data infrastructure, security professionals can now make
authentically data-driven decisions about how they protect their
assets. For example, records of network traffic, captured as network
flows, are often stored and analyzed for use in network management,
and this same information can provide valuable insights into network
vulnerabilities.

Cybersecurity is just one example, however: There are other examples
of adjacent use cases, such as user fraud detection or IT-operations
analytics, that would benefit from the combination of Spot
functionality and PB-scale data sets for analysis.

== Rationale ==

Although cybersecurity is its initial use case/data model, Spot is
intended to more generally tackle the dual challenges of facilitating
the development of big data-driven analytic solutions, while helping
vendors avoid having to create one/off infrastructure for each use
case. Spot will eliminate issues related to vendor data models that
create silos between solutions, and that make it difficult for users
to consume these innovations from multiple vendors. In summary, Spot
will accelerate the development of new massively scalable analytic
applications that give users more flexibility, and more choices.

As an initial effort, we are now seeking to build an ecosystem of
developers, data scientists, and security professionals to make Spot
the open, community-driven, cybersecurity platform standard it needs
to become. By bringing Spot to Apache, we hope to galvanize these
groups to cooperate in this highly matrixed effort, and to build a
global, and diverse, Spot community.

== Initial Goals ==

Move the existing codebase, website, documentation, and mailing lists
to Apache-hosted infrastructure Work with the infrastructure team to
implement and approve our build and testing workflows in the context
of the ASF Incremental development and releases per Apache guidelines

== Current Status ==

=== Releases ===

Spot has undergone one public release (1.0). This initial release was
not performed in the typical ASF fashion; we will adopt the ASF source
release process upon joining the incubator.

=== Source ===

Spot’s source, including core platform and associated submodules, is
currently hosted in several GitHub repositories under the indicated
licenses:

 * Core (Apache License 2.0)
 * Oni-ingest (Apache License 2.0)
 * Oni-ml (Apache License 2.0
 * Oni-oa (BSD & MIT)
 * Oni-setup (Apache License 2.0)
 * Oni-nfdump (BSD)
 * Oni-lda-c (GNU General Public License version 2)

The repositories will be transitioned to Apache’s git hosting during
incubation.  Issues related to GPL code will be resolved during
incubation.


=== Issue Tracking ===

Spot’s bug and feature tracking is hosted on Github at:

 * https://github.com/Open-Network-Insight/open-network-insight/issues

Issue tracking will be transitioned to Apache’s JIRA instance during incubation.

=== Code review ===

Spot maintainers currently use “LGTM” (Looks Good to Me) in comments
on the code review to indicate acceptance, with at least three LGTMs
required to approve the merge.

=== Community discussion ===

A Spot Slack channel is available at:

 * https://opennetworkinsights.slack.com/messages/general/ (Invites
request via http://open-network-insight.org:3000/)

Community discussion options will be expanded 

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Emmanuel Lecharny]

Jim, I would be pleased to pass you the batton. You most certainly will be
a better mentor than I could be.

Le mardi 13 septembre 2016, Jim Jagielski  a écrit :

> If you think I would be of help as a mentor, add me too...
>
> Understand if we are getting to too large a number though.
>
> > On Sep 13, 2016, at 5:15 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz  > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Mark Struberg
> >  wrote:
> >> ...If you need an additional Mentor with a slight Infra background then
> feel free to sign me up...
> >
> > Ok, I've done that, thanks!
> >
> > I'm not in favor of "too many" mentors but the exact number is hard to
> > define and your specific infra angle is very good to have.
> >
> > -Bertrand
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Re: ASF Android release policy

[David Nalley]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 4:49 AM, Ian Dunlop  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> In the Taverna Incubator project we have been developing an Android mobile
> app which is almost ready for a first release. Are there any ASF procedures
> and policies for doing an Android release? Can an ASF based Android app be
> released into the Google play store (or others)?
>

We've signed up to be able to push IOS apps, so at least in principle
nothing that prohibits that. I do not believe we've signed up for
Google Play or Amazon stores, and we'd need to look at the T
associated with that and look at the mechanics.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Mark Struberg]

Daniel of course has a much deeper expertise for infra as I'm mostly an 
occasional tinkerer and Daniel is one of our core server admins. 

Feel free to swap me out in favour of him.



I expect that we go through different phases

1.) lots of legal questions, code provenance and CLA checks, IP reviews etc

2.) Migrating hg to git. Not a big deal actually. Just add a github repo for it 
and add the hg url. Github does it for you. Then git clone this and move it to 
our canonical GIT repos. There was also a fast-export tool over at Petrs git 
repo ages ago.

3.) Identify and fix core parts which we cannot get re-licensed under ALv2 but 
cannot be kept due to legal questions.
Raphael is most probably right that NetBeans and OpenOffice share similar 
aspects when it comes to the setup. NetBeans is such a big project that we 
probably should get in touch with them as well.

4.) Migrate the community! THAT will be some serious effort I think. Many 
people are not aware of the pros and cons of running inside a well structured 
OSS foundation. Some people initially only see the positive aspects, others 
only the negative ones. The truth is: there is no free lunch. If you add 
structure you will loose flexibility. Without structure otoh you will melt down 
quickly.

5.) Build releases and distribute them. 


6.) Empower the community to be able to manage itself in the spirit of a true 
ASF project.



LieGrue,
strub




> On Tuesday, 13 September 2016, 16:29, Bertrand Delacretaz 
>  wrote:
> > Hi Daniel,
> 
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Daniel Gruno  
> wrote:
>>  ...Might I suggest, that if the project has a wider-than-normal
>>  infrastructure requirement, that it accepts a member of the infra PMC as
>>  a mentor or PPMC member (whatever fits best) so as to have a liaison
>>  that knows what is possible to provide and what routes to take?...
> 
> That's a good idea, we are open to your suggestions, I think an infra
> mentor makes absolute sense here.
> 
> Mark Struberg is a mentor already, AFAIK he is involved infra but if
> you want someone else that's possible of course.
> 
> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi all

They have also a fairly big forum at http://forums.netbeans.org/ wich
is not listed on the proposal

Regards Raphael

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
 wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Daniel Gruno  wrote:
>> ...Might I suggest, that if the project has a wider-than-normal
>> infrastructure requirement, that it accepts a member of the infra PMC as
>> a mentor or PPMC member (whatever fits best) so as to have a liaison
>> that knows what is possible to provide and what routes to take?...
>
> That's a good idea, we are open to your suggestions, I think an infra
> mentor makes absolute sense here.
>
> Mark Struberg is a mentor already, AFAIK he is involved infra but if
> you want someone else that's possible of course.
>
> -Bertrand
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

Hi Daniel,

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Daniel Gruno  wrote:
> ...Might I suggest, that if the project has a wider-than-normal
> infrastructure requirement, that it accepts a member of the infra PMC as
> a mentor or PPMC member (whatever fits best) so as to have a liaison
> that knows what is possible to provide and what routes to take?...

That's a good idea, we are open to your suggestions, I think an infra
mentor makes absolute sense here.

Mark Struberg is a mentor already, AFAIK he is involved infra but if
you want someone else that's possible of course.

-Bertrand

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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

Hi,

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Jochen Wiedmann
 wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>  wrote:
>> I also realized that he'll be the only US-based mentors, so he can
>> take all the press requests from there ;-)
>
> I am unaware, that taking press requests is part of mentor duties. One
> reason to hesitate in the future.

Sorry, I should have used a larger smiley...taking press requests is
*not* part of mentor duties of course.

-Bertrand

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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[David Nalley]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 5:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
 wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Daniel Gruno  wrote:
>> What is the expected impact on infrastructure here?...
>
> I'll let Geertjan or someone else who's familiar with the existing
> setups comment on the below list, from the Special Infrastructure
> Requests in the proposal (I have numbered them now for clarity).
>
> Instead of "migrating internal Oracle release infrastructure" for
> example we might discuss build/release requirements that might be
> specific to NetBeans, I'm not sure if reproducing existing
> infrastructure matches the ASF's infra view of the world. So maybe
> what we need at this point is a rough outline of the expectations of
> the current NetBeans team.
>
>> SIR01 Migration of large existing Mercurial repository to Apache Git

As I understand it, you have 33 Hg repos - assuming you are looking to
migrate all of those do you have someone on the Netbeans side who can
manage that migration?

>> SIR02 Migration of internal Oracle release infrastructure to Apache 
>> infrastructure

I'd love to see a discussion of what release infrastructure you have -
are we talking CI? Is this merely a means to download binaries? Are we
talking something else?  Most projects make releases available via our
mirror system, though there are a few exceptions out there.

>> SIR03 Migration of plugin publication system, plugins.netbeans.org, to 
>> Apache infrastructure

This looks to be an interesting. Are the plugins gated by license? Any
vetting going on? Is there a history of DMCA requests being served by
things uploaded to plugins.nb.o? How much bandwidth does this site
consume? Are their folks who can maintain this site from bare metal up
in the project?

>> SIR04 Migration of website and related content management system to Apache 
>> infrastructure

What are you using now for website/CMS?

>> SIR05 Evaluation and identification of other NetBeans infrastructure to be 
>> migrated to Apache infrastructures

I'd love to know up front what other infrastructure you view as
important enough to be migrated.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Daniel Gruno]

On 09/13/2016 11:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Daniel Gruno  wrote:
>> What is the expected impact on infrastructure here?...
> 
> I'll let Geertjan or someone else who's familiar with the existing
> setups comment on the below list, from the Special Infrastructure
> Requests in the proposal (I have numbered them now for clarity).
> 
> Instead of "migrating internal Oracle release infrastructure" for
> example we might discuss build/release requirements that might be
> specific to NetBeans, I'm not sure if reproducing existing
> infrastructure matches the ASF's infra view of the world. So maybe
> what we need at this point is a rough outline of the expectations of
> the current NetBeans team.
> 
>> SIR01 Migration of large existing Mercurial repository to Apache Git
>> SIR02 Migration of internal Oracle release infrastructure to Apache 
>> infrastructure
>> SIR03 Migration of plugin publication system, plugins.netbeans.org, to 
>> Apache infrastructure
>> SIR04 Migration of website and related content management system to Apache 
>> infrastructure
>> SIR05 Evaluation and identification of other NetBeans infrastructure to be 
>> migrated to Apache infastructures
> 
> -Bertrand
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Might I suggest, that if the project has a wider-than-normal
infrastructure requirement, that it accepts a member of the infra PMC as
a mentor or PPMC member (whatever fits best) so as to have a liaison
that knows what is possible to provide and what routes to take? We often
have projects that cause infra headaches because they make decisions
without knowing the full scope of work that is required to fulfill them,
I think it would be better to nip these in the bud instead and not have
too many headaches.

With regards,
Daniel.


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Re: ASF Android release policy

[Mark Thomas]

On 13/09/2016 13:38, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Mark Thomas  wrote:
> 
>> Finally, Infra does also provide access to a code signing service you
>> can use to sign you apps if that is useful. Probably only if you want to
>> distribute apps outside of Google play.
> 
> More infos on that, please.

https://blogs.apache.org/infra/entry/code_signing_service_now_available

Mark


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Re: ASF Android release policy

[Jochen Wiedmann]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Mark Thomas  wrote:

> Finally, Infra does also provide access to a code signing service you
> can use to sign you apps if that is useful. Probably only if you want to
> distribute apps outside of Google play.

More infos on that, please.

Jochen


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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Jochen Wiedmann]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
 wrote:

> I also realized that he'll be the only US-based mentors, so he can
> take all the press requests from there ;-)

I am unaware, that taking press requests is part of mentor duties. One
reason to hesitate in the future.

Jochen


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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Mark Struberg
 wrote:
> Jim is always good to have on board. Unbeatable expertise and he knows how to 
> deal
> with the good, the bad and the ugly of Oracle on a big scale as well...

Very good points!

I also realized that he'll be the only US-based mentors, so he can
take all the press requests from there ;-)

I have added Jim as a mentor, thanks again for volunteering!

-Bertrand

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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi at all

As a ex Committer and PMC from Apache OpenOffice and contributor to
the legacy OpenOffice.org project, I will keep a close eye on this.
Infrastructure seems to be similar to OpenOffice. How ever, the
Project is a different one.

Regards Raphael

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
 wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> I'll reply separately to your different points.
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:12 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
>> ...I too share some of the infra concerns Daniel's pointed out.  For 
>> instance,
>> where it is referenced one large hg repository, I count 33 repositories
>> hosted on hg.netbeans.org.  Some of them haven't been maintained in a
>> while, so I wonder if they're relevant or not
>
> I cannot speak for our infra team, but once a mechanism is in place
> for importing Mercurial repositories it shouldn't be much harder to
> import 33 of them compared to a few less. And it's probably best to
> have the full history.
>
> That being said, if some of those 33 repos are really dead, now might
> be a good time to delete them.
>
> -Bertrand
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Mark Struberg]

Jim is always good to have on board. Unbeatable expertise and he knows how to 
deal with the good, the bad and the ugly of Oracle on a big scale as well.

LieGrue,
strub





> On Tuesday, 13 September 2016, 14:25, Bertrand Delacretaz 
>  wrote:
> > Hi,
> 
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:
>>  If you think I would be of help as a mentor, add me too...
>>  Understand if we are getting to too large a number though
> 
> Thanks for your offer!
> 
> What do the other mentors think?
> 
> We are four mentors already which is probably plenty, and others can
> always participate by being active in the project.
> 
> OTOH Jim's extensive experience is useful to formally have on the
> mentors team, so I'm tempted to add him and then stop adding mentors,
> WDYT?
> 
> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

Hi,

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:
> If you think I would be of help as a mentor, add me too...
> Understand if we are getting to too large a number though

Thanks for your offer!

What do the other mentors think?

We are four mentors already which is probably plenty, and others can
always participate by being active in the project.

OTOH Jim's extensive experience is useful to formally have on the
mentors team, so I'm tempted to add him and then stop adding mentors,
WDYT?

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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

Hi John,

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:12 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
> ...I would like to understand the project's path forward in case Oracle pulls
> out support up front.  Meaning, they provide a grant, but then all Oracle
> employees leave

During incubation you mean? Worst case the project slowly dies and
does not graduate, podlings dying is not uncommon here, we know how to
handle that if needed.

The Apache model is meant to allow diverse communities to grow, in
this case my understanding is that some of the NetBeans community is
waiting for the clearer governance model that we'll provide to ramp up
their contributions, lessening the dependency on Oracle.

Whether that happens or not is outside of the ASF's control, but we do
have mechanisms to handle projects growing, shrinking and dying, so I
don't think it's important to discuss these scenarios in detail now.

The question is whether we think NetBeans has the *potential* to
strive here, and given the size of its community and its long
successful history I'm quite convinced that it does.

> ...I did an extremely cursory view of the
> commits in netbeans, and found some people who are recent committers who
> are not listed in this proposal

If people are "missing" from the initial committers list it's very
easy to vote them in once incubation starts, and that's a very good
exercise for the podling anyway.

> ...I get that the plan is to become apache compliant, but realistically how 
> much
> of a competitive advantage do you lose by losing features such as Hibernate
> integration?...

As the proposal mentions, an important part of that is clarifying what
is core and what is not. And then as Mark says, maybe farming out some
sub-projects to other places a la Apache Extras [1].

-Bertrand

[1] 
https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_launches
(that's not active anymore due to the plug having been pulled on the
hosting service that was used)

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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

Hi John,

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:12 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
> ...I'm also concerned about the press that this is causing, for instance at
> [1].  This is already being compared to OpenOffice...

As you can imagine, we did envision such comparisons being made, both
projects being donated by the same company.

But I think that's as far as the similarity goes, OpenOffice and
NetBeans are *very* different beasts, from many angles.

I don't think worrying about what Twitter says is a relevant concern.
And if it was, what should the Incubator do about it anyway?

My suggestion is to do our best to provide a good space for NetBeans
to flourish, as the ASF's mission requires, and ignore the noise.

In French we say "bien faire et laisser braire" which roughly
translates to "do a good job and ignore the gossip" - I'm in that camp
;-)

-Bertrand

> [1]: https://twitter.com/sjmaple/status/775608018671132672

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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

Hi John,

I'll reply separately to your different points.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:12 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
> ...I too share some of the infra concerns Daniel's pointed out.  For instance,
> where it is referenced one large hg repository, I count 33 repositories
> hosted on hg.netbeans.org.  Some of them haven't been maintained in a
> while, so I wonder if they're relevant or not

I cannot speak for our infra team, but once a mechanism is in place
for importing Mercurial repositories it shouldn't be much harder to
import 33 of them compared to a few less. And it's probably best to
have the full history.

That being said, if some of those 33 repos are really dead, now might
be a good time to delete them.

-Bertrand

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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Jim Jagielski]

If you think I would be of help as a mentor, add me too...

Understand if we are getting to too large a number though.

> On Sep 13, 2016, at 5:15 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Mark Struberg
>  wrote:
>> ...If you need an additional Mentor with a slight Infra background then feel 
>> free to sign me up...
> 
> Ok, I've done that, thanks!
> 
> I'm not in favor of "too many" mentors but the exact number is hard to
> define and your specific infra angle is very good to have.
> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Mark Struberg]

Regarding GPL licensed plugins:
I guess there will be a need for 2 plugin repos. One 'core' for plugins which 
are ALv2, another one for the rest. Similar to what we had with apacheextras.

Of course this gets much tougher for parts Oracle cannot re-license under ALv2 
but are needed by the core. 


lieGrue,
strub





> On Tuesday, 13 September 2016, 12:12, John D. Ament  
> wrote:
> > Hi Bertrand, Geertjan,
> 
> I too share some of the infra concerns Daniel's pointed out.  For instance,
> where it is referenced one large hg repository, I count 33 repositories
> hosted on hg.netbeans.org.  Some of them haven't been maintained in a
> while, so I wonder if they're relevant or not.
> 
> I'm also concerned about the press that this is causing, for instance at
> [1].  This is already being compared to OpenOffice.
> 
> I would like to understand the project's path forward in case Oracle pulls
> out support up front.  Meaning, they provide a grant, but then all Oracle
> employees leave. I know you have other companies listed here, but
> realistically how much code have they contributed in the past?  At least
> one is a CEO of the other company.  I did an extremely cursory view of the
> commits in netbeans, and found some people who are recent committers who
> are not listed in this proposal.  How are they being accounted for here?
> 
> Finally, at least for now, I am concerned over your 3rd party libraries.  I
> get that the plan is to become apache compliant, but realistically how much
> of a competitive advantage do you lose by losing features such as Hibernate
> integration?  Or what about dropping SwingX all together (which I suspect
> is pretty core to the GUI)?
> 
> - John
> 
> 
> [1]: https://twitter.com/sjmaple/status/775608018671132672
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 5:48 AM Bertrand Delacretaz 
> 
> wrote:
> 
>>  Hi Daniel,
>> 
>>  On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Daniel Gruno 
>>  wrote:
>>  > What is the expected impact on infrastructure here?...
>> 
>>  I'll let Geertjan or someone else who's familiar with the existing
>>  setups comment on the below list, from the Special Infrastructure
>>  Requests in the proposal (I have numbered them now for clarity).
>> 
>>  Instead of "migrating internal Oracle release infrastructure" for
>>  example we might discuss build/release requirements that might be
>>  specific to NetBeans, I'm not sure if reproducing existing
>>  infrastructure matches the ASF's infra view of the world. So maybe
>>  what we need at this point is a rough outline of the expectations of
>>  the current NetBeans team.
>> 
>>  > SIR01 Migration of large existing Mercurial repository to Apache Git
>>  > SIR02 Migration of internal Oracle release infrastructure to Apache
>>  infrastructure
>>  > SIR03 Migration of plugin publication system, plugins.netbeans.org, to
>>  Apache infrastructure
>>  > SIR04 Migration of website and related content management system to
>>  Apache infrastructure
>>  > SIR05 Evaluation and identification of other NetBeans infrastructure 
> to
>>  be migrated to Apache infastructures
>> 
>>  -Bertrand
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[John D. Ament]

Hi Bertrand, Geertjan,

I too share some of the infra concerns Daniel's pointed out.  For instance,
where it is referenced one large hg repository, I count 33 repositories
hosted on hg.netbeans.org.  Some of them haven't been maintained in a
while, so I wonder if they're relevant or not.

I'm also concerned about the press that this is causing, for instance at
[1].  This is already being compared to OpenOffice.

I would like to understand the project's path forward in case Oracle pulls
out support up front.  Meaning, they provide a grant, but then all Oracle
employees leave. I know you have other companies listed here, but
realistically how much code have they contributed in the past?  At least
one is a CEO of the other company.  I did an extremely cursory view of the
commits in netbeans, and found some people who are recent committers who
are not listed in this proposal.  How are they being accounted for here?

Finally, at least for now, I am concerned over your 3rd party libraries.  I
get that the plan is to become apache compliant, but realistically how much
of a competitive advantage do you lose by losing features such as Hibernate
integration?  Or what about dropping SwingX all together (which I suspect
is pretty core to the GUI)?

- John


[1]: https://twitter.com/sjmaple/status/775608018671132672

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 5:48 AM Bertrand Delacretaz 
wrote:

> Hi Daniel,
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Daniel Gruno 
> wrote:
> > What is the expected impact on infrastructure here?...
>
> I'll let Geertjan or someone else who's familiar with the existing
> setups comment on the below list, from the Special Infrastructure
> Requests in the proposal (I have numbered them now for clarity).
>
> Instead of "migrating internal Oracle release infrastructure" for
> example we might discuss build/release requirements that might be
> specific to NetBeans, I'm not sure if reproducing existing
> infrastructure matches the ASF's infra view of the world. So maybe
> what we need at this point is a rough outline of the expectations of
> the current NetBeans team.
>
> > SIR01 Migration of large existing Mercurial repository to Apache Git
> > SIR02 Migration of internal Oracle release infrastructure to Apache
> infrastructure
> > SIR03 Migration of plugin publication system, plugins.netbeans.org, to
> Apache infrastructure
> > SIR04 Migration of website and related content management system to
> Apache infrastructure
> > SIR05 Evaluation and identification of other NetBeans infrastructure to
> be migrated to Apache infastructures
>
> -Bertrand
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

Hi Daniel,

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Daniel Gruno  wrote:
> What is the expected impact on infrastructure here?...

I'll let Geertjan or someone else who's familiar with the existing
setups comment on the below list, from the Special Infrastructure
Requests in the proposal (I have numbered them now for clarity).

Instead of "migrating internal Oracle release infrastructure" for
example we might discuss build/release requirements that might be
specific to NetBeans, I'm not sure if reproducing existing
infrastructure matches the ASF's infra view of the world. So maybe
what we need at this point is a rough outline of the expectations of
the current NetBeans team.

> SIR01 Migration of large existing Mercurial repository to Apache Git
> SIR02 Migration of internal Oracle release infrastructure to Apache 
> infrastructure
> SIR03 Migration of plugin publication system, plugins.netbeans.org, to Apache 
> infrastructure
> SIR04 Migration of website and related content management system to Apache 
> infrastructure
> SIR05 Evaluation and identification of other NetBeans infrastructure to be 
> migrated to Apache infastructures

-Bertrand

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Re: ASF Android release policy

[Mark Thomas]

On 13/09/2016 09:49, Ian Dunlop wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> In the Taverna Incubator project we have been developing an Android mobile
> app which is almost ready for a first release. Are there any ASF procedures
> and policies for doing an Android release? Can an ASF based Android app be
> released into the Google play store (or others)?

The usual release policy applies. Making a convenience binary available
in an App store is not dissimilar to making JAR files available via
Maven Central.

The ASF has already set up the appropriate accounts to do this for the
Apple app store. A quick look around Google's site suggests a similar
process will be required.

The best way forward would be to create an Infra ticket to:
- create an ASF account with Google (managed by infra)
- add named release managers to that account so they can release apps
  on behalf of the PMC

ASF Legal will need to review the Ts associated with the account. I'd
expect infra to ask for review as required.

One immediate question is do we want this as an ASF wide account or per
PMC? At $25 per account, one per PMC isn't outrageous but my own infra
experience says that it would be better to start with a single ASF
account managed by infra. We can always create additional PMC acocunts
later if necessary.

Finally, Infra does also provide access to a code signing service you
can use to sign you apps if that is useful. Probably only if you want to
distribute apps outside of Google play.

Mark


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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Daniel Gruno]

What is the expected impact on infrastructure here? I see a lot of
mentions of moving existing infrastructure to the ASF, I see very little
about what it really entails and how large it is.

For instance, what is plugins.netbeans.org and what's the setup there like?

With regards,
Daniel.

On 09/13/2016 09:40 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Attached to this message is a proposed new project - Apache NetBeans, a
> development environment, tooling platform, and application framework.
> 
> The text of the proposal is included below. Additionally, the proposal is
> in draft form on the Wiki, where we will make any required changes:
> 
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
> 
> We look forward to your feedback and input.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Geertjan
> 
> 
> 
> = NetBeans Proposal =
> 
> == Abstract ==
> 
> NetBeans is an open source development environment, tooling platform,
> and application framework, used by 1.5 million individuals each month.
> 
> == Proposal ==
> 
> Apache NetBeans will continue to focus on the areas it has focused on
> while sponsored by Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It will continue to
> primarily focus on providing tools for the Java ecosystem, while also
> being focused on tools for other ecosystems, languages and
> technologies, such as JavaScript, PHP, and C/C++. It will continue to
> actively support its community by means of mailing lists, tutorials,
> and documentation.
> 
> == Background ==
> 
> NetBeans started in 1995/96 in Prague, in the Czech Republic, as a
> student project. Sun Microsystems acquired and open sourced it in 2000
> and, with the acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle in 2010,
> became part of Oracle. Throughout its history in Sun Microsystems and
> Oracle, NetBeans has been free and open source and has been leveraged
> by its sponsor as a mechanism for driving the Java ecosystem forward.
> 
> == Rationale ==
> 
> Although NetBeans is already open source, moving it to a neutral place
> like Apache, with its strong governance model, is expected to help get
> more contributions from various organizations. For example, large
> companies are using NetBeans as an application framework to build
> internal or commercial applications and are much more likely to
> contribute to it once it moves to neutral Apache ground. At the same
> time, though Oracle will relinquish its control over NetBeans,
> individual contributors from Oracle are expected to continue
> contributing to NetBeans after it has been contributed to Apache,
> together with individual contributors from other organizations, as
> well as self-employed individual contributors.
> 
> == Initial Goals ==
> 
> The initial goals of the NetBeans contribution under the Apache
> umbrella are to establish a new home for an already fully functioning
> project and to open up the governance model so as to simplify and
> streamline contributions from the community.
> 
> == Current Status ==
> 
> Meritocracy: NetBeans has been run by Oracle, with the majority of
> code contributions coming from Oracle. The specific reason for moving
> to Apache is to expand the diversity of contributors and to increase
> the level of meritocracy in NetBeans. Apache NetBeans will be actively
> seeking new contributors and will welcome them warmly and provide a
> friendly and productive environment for purposes of providing a
> development environment, tooling environment, and application
> framework.
> 
> Community: NetBeans has approximately 1.5 million active users around
> the world, in extremely diverse structures and organizations. NetBeans
> is used by teachers and instructors at schools and universities to
> teach Java and other languages. It is used by students as an
> educational tool. It is used by large organizations who base their
> software on the application framework beneath NetBeans. It is used by
> web developers for creating web sites and by developers using a range
> of tools, languages, and technologies to be productive and efficient
> software developers.
> 
> Core Developers: The core developers will come from a range of
> organizations, including Oracle, which will continue its investment in
> NetBeans.
> 
> Alignment: The application framework is the basis of a range of
> mission critical scientific software at large organizations in
> defense, aerospace, logistics, and research, such as at Boeing,
> Airbus, NASA, and NATO.
> 
> == Known Risks ==
> 
> Orphaned Products: The community proposing NetBeans for incubation is
> strong and vibrant. The size and diversity of the community is a
> guarantee against the project being orphaned.
> 
> Inexperience with Open Source: NetBeans has been free and open source
> since the early days of its sponsorship by Sun Microsystems. Though
> some in the NetBeans community may have worked on Apache projects, the
> majority who haven't are well versed in the principles of open source.
> 
> Homogenous Developers: Individual contributors 

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

Hi Mark,

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Mark Struberg
 wrote:
> ...If you need an additional Mentor with a slight Infra background then feel 
> free to sign me up...

Ok, I've done that, thanks!

I'm not in favor of "too many" mentors but the exact number is hard to
define and your specific infra angle is very good to have.

-Bertrand

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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Mark Struberg]

If you need an additional Mentor with a slight Infra background then feel free 
to sign me up.

LieGrue,
strub





> On Tuesday, 13 September 2016, 9:40, Geertjan Wielenga 
>  wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> 
> Attached to this message is a proposed new project - Apache NetBeans, a
> development environment, tooling platform, and application framework.
> 
> The text of the proposal is included below. Additionally, the proposal is
> in draft form on the Wiki, where we will make any required changes:
> 
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
> 
> We look forward to your feedback and input.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Geertjan
> 
> 
> 
> = NetBeans Proposal =
> 
> == Abstract ==
> 
> NetBeans is an open source development environment, tooling platform,
> and application framework, used by 1.5 million individuals each month.
> 
> == Proposal ==
> 
> Apache NetBeans will continue to focus on the areas it has focused on
> while sponsored by Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It will continue to
> primarily focus on providing tools for the Java ecosystem, while also
> being focused on tools for other ecosystems, languages and
> technologies, such as JavaScript, PHP, and C/C++. It will continue to
> actively support its community by means of mailing lists, tutorials,
> and documentation.
> 
> == Background ==
> 
> NetBeans started in 1995/96 in Prague, in the Czech Republic, as a
> student project. Sun Microsystems acquired and open sourced it in 2000
> and, with the acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle in 2010,
> became part of Oracle. Throughout its history in Sun Microsystems and
> Oracle, NetBeans has been free and open source and has been leveraged
> by its sponsor as a mechanism for driving the Java ecosystem forward.
> 
> == Rationale ==
> 
> Although NetBeans is already open source, moving it to a neutral place
> like Apache, with its strong governance model, is expected to help get
> more contributions from various organizations. For example, large
> companies are using NetBeans as an application framework to build
> internal or commercial applications and are much more likely to
> contribute to it once it moves to neutral Apache ground. At the same
> time, though Oracle will relinquish its control over NetBeans,
> individual contributors from Oracle are expected to continue
> contributing to NetBeans after it has been contributed to Apache,
> together with individual contributors from other organizations, as
> well as self-employed individual contributors.
> 
> == Initial Goals ==
> 
> The initial goals of the NetBeans contribution under the Apache
> umbrella are to establish a new home for an already fully functioning
> project and to open up the governance model so as to simplify and
> streamline contributions from the community.
> 
> == Current Status ==
> 
> Meritocracy: NetBeans has been run by Oracle, with the majority of
> code contributions coming from Oracle. The specific reason for moving
> to Apache is to expand the diversity of contributors and to increase
> the level of meritocracy in NetBeans. Apache NetBeans will be actively
> seeking new contributors and will welcome them warmly and provide a
> friendly and productive environment for purposes of providing a
> development environment, tooling environment, and application
> framework.
> 
> Community: NetBeans has approximately 1.5 million active users around
> the world, in extremely diverse structures and organizations. NetBeans
> is used by teachers and instructors at schools and universities to
> teach Java and other languages. It is used by students as an
> educational tool. It is used by large organizations who base their
> software on the application framework beneath NetBeans. It is used by
> web developers for creating web sites and by developers using a range
> of tools, languages, and technologies to be productive and efficient
> software developers.
> 
> Core Developers: The core developers will come from a range of
> organizations, including Oracle, which will continue its investment in
> NetBeans.
> 
> Alignment: The application framework is the basis of a range of
> mission critical scientific software at large organizations in
> defense, aerospace, logistics, and research, such as at Boeing,
> Airbus, NASA, and NATO.
> 
> == Known Risks ==
> 
> Orphaned Products: The community proposing NetBeans for incubation is
> strong and vibrant. The size and diversity of the community is a
> guarantee against the project being orphaned.
> 
> Inexperience with Open Source: NetBeans has been free and open source
> since the early days of its sponsorship by Sun Microsystems. Though
> some in the NetBeans community may have worked on Apache projects, the
> majority who haven't are well versed in the principles of open source.
> 
> Homogenous Developers: Individual contributors from Oracle and other
> initial committer organizations will contribute code to NetBeans in
> Apache, while at the same 

Re: ASF Android release policy

[Jochen Wiedmann]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Ian Dunlop  wrote:

> In the Taverna Incubator project we have been developing an Android mobile
> app which is almost ready for a first release. Are there any ASF procedures
> and policies for doing an Android release? Can an ASF based Android app be
> released into the Google play store (or others)?

Enlighten me, please. What exactly must be done to "release an Android
app to the Google play store"?

Thanks,

Jochen

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ASF Android release policy

[Ian Dunlop]

Hello,

In the Taverna Incubator project we have been developing an Android mobile
app which is almost ready for a first release. Are there any ASF procedures
and policies for doing an Android release? Can an ASF based Android app be
released into the Google play store (or others)?

Cheers,

Ian

[DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hello everyone,

Attached to this message is a proposed new project - Apache NetBeans, a
development environment, tooling platform, and application framework.

The text of the proposal is included below. Additionally, the proposal is
in draft form on the Wiki, where we will make any required changes:

https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal

We look forward to your feedback and input.

Kind regards,

Geertjan



= NetBeans Proposal =

== Abstract ==

NetBeans is an open source development environment, tooling platform,
and application framework, used by 1.5 million individuals each month.

== Proposal ==

Apache NetBeans will continue to focus on the areas it has focused on
while sponsored by Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It will continue to
primarily focus on providing tools for the Java ecosystem, while also
being focused on tools for other ecosystems, languages and
technologies, such as JavaScript, PHP, and C/C++. It will continue to
actively support its community by means of mailing lists, tutorials,
and documentation.

== Background ==

NetBeans started in 1995/96 in Prague, in the Czech Republic, as a
student project. Sun Microsystems acquired and open sourced it in 2000
and, with the acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle in 2010,
became part of Oracle. Throughout its history in Sun Microsystems and
Oracle, NetBeans has been free and open source and has been leveraged
by its sponsor as a mechanism for driving the Java ecosystem forward.

== Rationale ==

Although NetBeans is already open source, moving it to a neutral place
like Apache, with its strong governance model, is expected to help get
more contributions from various organizations. For example, large
companies are using NetBeans as an application framework to build
internal or commercial applications and are much more likely to
contribute to it once it moves to neutral Apache ground. At the same
time, though Oracle will relinquish its control over NetBeans,
individual contributors from Oracle are expected to continue
contributing to NetBeans after it has been contributed to Apache,
together with individual contributors from other organizations, as
well as self-employed individual contributors.

== Initial Goals ==

The initial goals of the NetBeans contribution under the Apache
umbrella are to establish a new home for an already fully functioning
project and to open up the governance model so as to simplify and
streamline contributions from the community.

== Current Status ==

Meritocracy: NetBeans has been run by Oracle, with the majority of
code contributions coming from Oracle. The specific reason for moving
to Apache is to expand the diversity of contributors and to increase
the level of meritocracy in NetBeans. Apache NetBeans will be actively
seeking new contributors and will welcome them warmly and provide a
friendly and productive environment for purposes of providing a
development environment, tooling environment, and application
framework.

Community: NetBeans has approximately 1.5 million active users around
the world, in extremely diverse structures and organizations. NetBeans
is used by teachers and instructors at schools and universities to
teach Java and other languages. It is used by students as an
educational tool. It is used by large organizations who base their
software on the application framework beneath NetBeans. It is used by
web developers for creating web sites and by developers using a range
of tools, languages, and technologies to be productive and efficient
software developers.

Core Developers: The core developers will come from a range of
organizations, including Oracle, which will continue its investment in
NetBeans.

Alignment: The application framework is the basis of a range of
mission critical scientific software at large organizations in
defense, aerospace, logistics, and research, such as at Boeing,
Airbus, NASA, and NATO.

== Known Risks ==

Orphaned Products: The community proposing NetBeans for incubation is
strong and vibrant. The size and diversity of the community is a
guarantee against the project being orphaned.

Inexperience with Open Source: NetBeans has been free and open source
since the early days of its sponsorship by Sun Microsystems. Though
some in the NetBeans community may have worked on Apache projects, the
majority who haven't are well versed in the principles of open source.

Homogenous Developers: Individual contributors from Oracle and other
initial committer organizations will contribute code to NetBeans in
Apache, while at the same time individuals from other organizations
will actively be sought to be added to the project. The aim of the
move to Apache is precisely to open up the governance model, hence the
desire to build up an extremely heterogeneous developer base is
strong. For example, several organizations are very heavily invested
in the NetBeans application framework, having based their software
suites on top of it, hence there will be a significant 

Re: DRAFT report September 2016

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

Hi,

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:56 PM, Marvin Humphrey
 wrote:
> ...The MoinMoin wiki is slow and unreliable today...

FWIW when that happens I often see updates actually going through, but
the page taking a lot of time to come back showing them. Opening the
same URL in a new browser tab often shows my changes quickly.

(haven't checked today yet, but soon...hehe ;-)

-Bertrand

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