Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
I see. Thanks Dave for update. Thanks, Junping Dave Fisher 于2019年12月3日周二 下午2:05写道： > Hi Junping, > > I’m currently mentoring five podlings which is probably two more than I > should since I’ve joined the board. > > Also, I’m interested in the OSSBot project... > > Good luck with NuttX! > > Regards, > Dave > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 2, 2019, at 4:57 PM, 俊平堵 wrote: > > > > Sounds like most of concerns are addressed through the discussion. > > Just like Justin said, we will call the vote once one or two mentor get > > volunteer here. > > Ted and Dave, why not watch how project is going as mentor and make sure > it > > follow Apache way if you got time and interest for the project.:) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Junping > > > > Justin Mclean 于2019年12月3日 周二上午8:43写道： > > > >> Hi, > >> As soon as an additional mentors or two are identified I would call for > a > >> vote. > >> Thanks, > >> Justin > >> > >>> On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, 10:39 Greg Stein, wrote: > >>> > >>> I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems > >>> on-board. Let them get their stuff done. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:23 PM Alex Harui > >>> wrote: > >>> > Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks to > go > "live amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify that that > >>> the > founder's authority and reputation will not result in a BDFL effect. > > Just a thought, > -Alex > > On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" wrote: > > Very well said. > > I am optimistic. > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt > wrote: > > > > >> This is a good discussion to have had before entering the > incubator, and > > I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can > demonstrate > > during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and > >> allow > the > > project to move forward without the founder's undue influence. > >> > >> Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on the > project, > > but in a different role. > > > > I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved with > >> this > > discussion because it pertains too closely to me. It is my > intention to > > divest myself of total authority over the project just as stated > >> in > the > > Proposal. Further, it is my intention to stay out of the initial > > formation of the project as much as possible, in partial > >>> fulfillment > of > > Ted Dunning's "thought experiment." I intend to vote 0 on all > decisions > > before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong > >>> opinion > > about some topic. I cannot imagine what topic that might be, > however. > > > > I will be available as needed for information needed by the > >> others > >>> to > > accomplish this transition but for the most part, just consider > >> me > as on > > vacation in place. I will help as much as needed and stay out of > >>> the > > way as much as possible. > > > > I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations in > >> this. > > Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical. > >> Yes, > the > > project is very dear to me and the result of many years of blood, > sweat, > > and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy long > >> hours. > > Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my past > >> role > > because I was the ONLY person on the project. I did > >> everything. I > > still do. > > > > There are two things that motivate me: First, the workload has > gotten > > to be far too much for one person. I dispose of around 60-100 > changes > > per week and really have no personal life left. It is more than > >> I > can > > do (and much more than I can do well). The only real way to > >> solve > that > > is to open the project up to others working as equals. The > >> second, > and > > more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70 years old > now. > > I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control this > project > > long into the future. For my personal health and sanity, I > >> really > need > > to detach and let the project take a life of its own that does > >> not > > depend on me in any way. > > > > I would see the biggest risk to a new PPMC would not be me, but > rather > > the sheer volume of work that the PPMC is stepping into. I am > prepared > > for some initial chaos and perhaps a missed release cycle. But I > have > > come to accept that that is a reasonable price to pay for a clean > > knife-edge hand-off. > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > >>>
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Hivemall (Incubating) v0.6.0-rc1
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Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Hi Junping, I’m currently mentoring five podlings which is probably two more than I should since I’ve joined the board. Also, I’m interested in the OSSBot project... Good luck with NuttX! Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 2, 2019, at 4:57 PM, 俊平堵 wrote: > > Sounds like most of concerns are addressed through the discussion. > Just like Justin said, we will call the vote once one or two mentor get > volunteer here. > Ted and Dave, why not watch how project is going as mentor and make sure it > follow Apache way if you got time and interest for the project.:) > > Thanks, > > Junping > > Justin Mclean 于2019年12月3日 周二上午8:43写道： > >> Hi, >> As soon as an additional mentors or two are identified I would call for a >> vote. >> Thanks, >> Justin >> >>> On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, 10:39 Greg Stein, wrote: >>> >>> I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems >>> on-board. Let them get their stuff done. >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:23 PM Alex Harui >>> wrote: >>> Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks to go "live amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify that that >>> the founder's authority and reputation will not result in a BDFL effect. Just a thought, -Alex On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" wrote: Very well said. I am optimistic. On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt wrote: > >> This is a good discussion to have had before entering the incubator, and > I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can demonstrate > during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and >> allow the > project to move forward without the founder's undue influence. >> >> Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on the project, > but in a different role. > > I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved with >> this > discussion because it pertains too closely to me. It is my intention to > divest myself of total authority over the project just as stated >> in the > Proposal. Further, it is my intention to stay out of the initial > formation of the project as much as possible, in partial >>> fulfillment of > Ted Dunning's "thought experiment." I intend to vote 0 on all decisions > before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong >>> opinion > about some topic. I cannot imagine what topic that might be, however. > > I will be available as needed for information needed by the >> others >>> to > accomplish this transition but for the most part, just consider >> me as on > vacation in place. I will help as much as needed and stay out of >>> the > way as much as possible. > > I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations in >> this. > Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical. >> Yes, the > project is very dear to me and the result of many years of blood, sweat, > and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy long >> hours. > Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my past >> role > because I was the ONLY person on the project. I did >> everything. I > still do. > > There are two things that motivate me: First, the workload has gotten > to be far too much for one person. I dispose of around 60-100 changes > per week and really have no personal life left. It is more than >> I can > do (and much more than I can do well). The only real way to >> solve that > is to open the project up to others working as equals. The >> second, and > more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70 years old now. > I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control this project > long into the future. For my personal health and sanity, I >> really need > to detach and let the project take a life of its own that does >> not > depend on me in any way. > > I would see the biggest risk to a new PPMC would not be me, but rather > the sheer volume of work that the PPMC is stepping into. I am prepared > for some initial chaos and perhaps a missed release cycle. But I have > come to accept that that is a reasonable price to pay for a clean > knife-edge hand-off. > > Greg > > > > >>> - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: >> general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > >>> >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Sounds like most of concerns are addressed through the discussion. Just like Justin said, we will call the vote once one or two mentor get volunteer here. Ted and Dave, why not watch how project is going as mentor and make sure it follow Apache way if you got time and interest for the project.:) Thanks, Junping Justin Mclean 于2019年12月3日 周二上午8:43写道： > Hi, > As soon as an additional mentors or two are identified I would call for a > vote. > Thanks, > Justin > > On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, 10:39 Greg Stein, wrote: > > > I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems > > on-board. Let them get their stuff done. > > > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:23 PM Alex Harui > > wrote: > > > > > Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks to go > > > "live amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify that that > > the > > > founder's authority and reputation will not result in a BDFL effect. > > > > > > Just a thought, > > > -Alex > > > > > > On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" wrote: > > > > > > Very well said. > > > > > > I am optimistic. > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a good discussion to have had before entering the > > > incubator, and > > > > I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can > > > demonstrate > > > > during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and > allow > > > the > > > > project to move forward without the founder's undue influence. > > > > > > > > > > Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on the > > > project, > > > > but in a different role. > > > > > > > > I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved with > this > > > > discussion because it pertains too closely to me. It is my > > > intention to > > > > divest myself of total authority over the project just as stated > in > > > the > > > > Proposal. Further, it is my intention to stay out of the initial > > > > formation of the project as much as possible, in partial > > fulfillment > > > of > > > > Ted Dunning's "thought experiment." I intend to vote 0 on all > > > decisions > > > > before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong > > opinion > > > > about some topic. I cannot imagine what topic that might be, > > > however. > > > > > > > > I will be available as needed for information needed by the > others > > to > > > > accomplish this transition but for the most part, just consider > me > > > as on > > > > vacation in place. I will help as much as needed and stay out of > > the > > > > way as much as possible. > > > > > > > > I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations in > this. > > > > Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical. > Yes, > > > the > > > > project is very dear to me and the result of many years of blood, > > > sweat, > > > > and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy long > hours. > > > > Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my past > role > > > > because I was the ONLY person on the project. I did > everything. I > > > > still do. > > > > > > > > There are two things that motivate me: First, the workload has > > > gotten > > > > to be far too much for one person. I dispose of around 60-100 > > > changes > > > > per week and really have no personal life left. It is more than > I > > > can > > > > do (and much more than I can do well). The only real way to > solve > > > that > > > > is to open the project up to others working as equals. The > second, > > > and > > > > more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70 years old > > > now. > > > > I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control this > > > project > > > > long into the future. For my personal health and sanity, I > really > > > need > > > > to detach and let the project take a life of its own that does > not > > > > depend on me in any way. > > > > > > > > I would see the biggest risk to a new PPMC would not be me, but > > > rather > > > > the sheer volume of work that the PPMC is stepping into. I am > > > prepared > > > > for some initial chaos and perhaps a missed release cycle. But I > > > have > > > > come to accept that that is a reasonable price to pay for a clean > > > > knife-edge hand-off. > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Hi, As soon as an additional mentors or two are identified I would call for a vote. Thanks, Justin On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, 10:39 Greg Stein, wrote: > I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems > on-board. Let them get their stuff done. > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:23 PM Alex Harui > wrote: > > > Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks to go > > "live amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify that that > the > > founder's authority and reputation will not result in a BDFL effect. > > > > Just a thought, > > -Alex > > > > On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" wrote: > > > > Very well said. > > > > I am optimistic. > > > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > This is a good discussion to have had before entering the > > incubator, and > > > I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can > > demonstrate > > > during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and allow > > the > > > project to move forward without the founder's undue influence. > > > > > > > > Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on the > > project, > > > but in a different role. > > > > > > I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved with this > > > discussion because it pertains too closely to me. It is my > > intention to > > > divest myself of total authority over the project just as stated in > > the > > > Proposal. Further, it is my intention to stay out of the initial > > > formation of the project as much as possible, in partial > fulfillment > > of > > > Ted Dunning's "thought experiment." I intend to vote 0 on all > > decisions > > > before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong > opinion > > > about some topic. I cannot imagine what topic that might be, > > however. > > > > > > I will be available as needed for information needed by the others > to > > > accomplish this transition but for the most part, just consider me > > as on > > > vacation in place. I will help as much as needed and stay out of > the > > > way as much as possible. > > > > > > I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations in this. > > > Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical. Yes, > > the > > > project is very dear to me and the result of many years of blood, > > sweat, > > > and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy long hours. > > > Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my past role > > > because I was the ONLY person on the project. I did everything. I > > > still do. > > > > > > There are two things that motivate me: First, the workload has > > gotten > > > to be far too much for one person. I dispose of around 60-100 > > changes > > > per week and really have no personal life left. It is more than I > > can > > > do (and much more than I can do well). The only real way to solve > > that > > > is to open the project up to others working as equals. The second, > > and > > > more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70 years old > > now. > > > I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control this > > project > > > long into the future. For my personal health and sanity, I really > > need > > > to detach and let the project take a life of its own that does not > > > depend on me in any way. > > > > > > I would see the biggest risk to a new PPMC would not be me, but > > rather > > > the sheer volume of work that the PPMC is stepping into. I am > > prepared > > > for some initial chaos and perhaps a missed release cycle. But I > > have > > > come to accept that that is a reasonable price to pay for a clean > > > knife-edge hand-off. > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems on-board. Let them get their stuff done. On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:23 PM Alex Harui wrote: > Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks to go > "live amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify that that the > founder's authority and reputation will not result in a BDFL effect. > > Just a thought, > -Alex > > On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" wrote: > > Very well said. > > I am optimistic. > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt > wrote: > > > > > > This is a good discussion to have had before entering the > incubator, and > > I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can > demonstrate > > during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and allow > the > > project to move forward without the founder's undue influence. > > > > > > Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on the > project, > > but in a different role. > > > > I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved with this > > discussion because it pertains too closely to me. It is my > intention to > > divest myself of total authority over the project just as stated in > the > > Proposal. Further, it is my intention to stay out of the initial > > formation of the project as much as possible, in partial fulfillment > of > > Ted Dunning's "thought experiment." I intend to vote 0 on all > decisions > > before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong opinion > > about some topic. I cannot imagine what topic that might be, > however. > > > > I will be available as needed for information needed by the others to > > accomplish this transition but for the most part, just consider me > as on > > vacation in place. I will help as much as needed and stay out of the > > way as much as possible. > > > > I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations in this. > > Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical. Yes, > the > > project is very dear to me and the result of many years of blood, > sweat, > > and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy long hours. > > Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my past role > > because I was the ONLY person on the project. I did everything. I > > still do. > > > > There are two things that motivate me: First, the workload has > gotten > > to be far too much for one person. I dispose of around 60-100 > changes > > per week and really have no personal life left. It is more than I > can > > do (and much more than I can do well). The only real way to solve > that > > is to open the project up to others working as equals. The second, > and > > more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70 years old > now. > > I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control this > project > > long into the future. For my personal health and sanity, I really > need > > to detach and let the project take a life of its own that does not > > depend on me in any way. > > > > I would see the biggest risk to a new PPMC would not be me, but > rather > > the sheer volume of work that the PPMC is stepping into. I am > prepared > > for some initial chaos and perhaps a missed release cycle. But I > have > > come to accept that that is a reasonable price to pay for a clean > > knife-edge hand-off. > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > >
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks to go "live amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify that that the founder's authority and reputation will not result in a BDFL effect. Just a thought, -Alex On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" wrote: Very well said. I am optimistic. On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt wrote: > > > This is a good discussion to have had before entering the incubator, and > I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can demonstrate > during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and allow the > project to move forward without the founder's undue influence. > > > > Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on the project, > but in a different role. > > I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved with this > discussion because it pertains too closely to me. It is my intention to > divest myself of total authority over the project just as stated in the > Proposal. Further, it is my intention to stay out of the initial > formation of the project as much as possible, in partial fulfillment of > Ted Dunning's "thought experiment." I intend to vote 0 on all decisions > before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong opinion > about some topic. I cannot imagine what topic that might be, however. > > I will be available as needed for information needed by the others to > accomplish this transition but for the most part, just consider me as on > vacation in place. I will help as much as needed and stay out of the > way as much as possible. > > I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations in this. > Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical. Yes, the > project is very dear to me and the result of many years of blood, sweat, > and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy long hours. > Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my past role > because I was the ONLY person on the project. I did everything. I > still do. > > There are two things that motivate me: First, the workload has gotten > to be far too much for one person. I dispose of around 60-100 changes > per week and really have no personal life left. It is more than I can > do (and much more than I can do well). The only real way to solve that > is to open the project up to others working as equals. The second, and > more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70 years old now. > I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control this project > long into the future. For my personal health and sanity, I really need > to detach and let the project take a life of its own that does not > depend on me in any way. > > I would see the biggest risk to a new PPMC would not be me, but rather > the sheer volume of work that the PPMC is stepping into. I am prepared > for some initial chaos and perhaps a missed release cycle. But I have > come to accept that that is a reasonable price to pay for a clean > knife-edge hand-off. > > Greg > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Hi, Thanks for your considered response Greg. Just one thing you may want to reconsider is voting 0 on all votes. 3 +1 votes are needed to make a release and 3 +1 votes and no -1 on other (rare) matters, with a small PPMC it may be hard to get those 3 +1 votes. It would also be good to see another mentor (or two) on the project. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Very well said. I am optimistic. On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt wrote: > > > This is a good discussion to have had before entering the incubator, and > I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can demonstrate > during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and allow the > project to move forward without the founder's undue influence. > > > > Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on the project, > but in a different role. > > I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved with this > discussion because it pertains too closely to me. It is my intention to > divest myself of total authority over the project just as stated in the > Proposal. Further, it is my intention to stay out of the initial > formation of the project as much as possible, in partial fulfillment of > Ted Dunning's "thought experiment." I intend to vote 0 on all decisions > before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong opinion > about some topic. I cannot imagine what topic that might be, however. > > I will be available as needed for information needed by the others to > accomplish this transition but for the most part, just consider me as on > vacation in place. I will help as much as needed and stay out of the > way as much as possible. > > I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations in this. > Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical. Yes, the > project is very dear to me and the result of many years of blood, sweat, > and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy long hours. > Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my past role > because I was the ONLY person on the project. I did everything. I > still do. > > There are two things that motivate me: First, the workload has gotten > to be far too much for one person. I dispose of around 60-100 changes > per week and really have no personal life left. It is more than I can > do (and much more than I can do well). The only real way to solve that > is to open the project up to others working as equals. The second, and > more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70 years old now. > I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control this project > long into the future. For my personal health and sanity, I really need > to detach and let the project take a life of its own that does not > depend on me in any way. > > I would see the biggest risk to a new PPMC would not be me, but rather > the sheer volume of work that the PPMC is stepping into. I am prepared > for some initial chaos and perhaps a missed release cycle. But I have > come to accept that that is a reasonable price to pay for a clean > knife-edge hand-off. > > Greg > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
This is a good discussion to have had before entering the incubator, and I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can demonstrate during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and allow the project to move forward without the founder's undue influence. Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on the project, but in a different role. I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved with this discussion because it pertains too closely to me. It is my intention to divest myself of total authority over the project just as stated in the Proposal. Further, it is my intention to stay out of the initial formation of the project as much as possible, in partial fulfillment of Ted Dunning's "thought experiment." I intend to vote 0 on all decisions before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong opinion about some topic. I cannot imagine what topic that might be, however. I will be available as needed for information needed by the others to accomplish this transition but for the most part, just consider me as on vacation in place. I will help as much as needed and stay out of the way as much as possible. I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations in this. Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical. Yes, the project is very dear to me and the result of many years of blood, sweat, and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy long hours. Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my past role because I was the ONLY person on the project. I did everything. I still do. There are two things that motivate me: First, the workload has gotten to be far too much for one person. I dispose of around 60-100 changes per week and really have no personal life left. It is more than I can do (and much more than I can do well). The only real way to solve that is to open the project up to others working as equals. The second, and more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70 years old now. I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control this project long into the future. For my personal health and sanity, I really need to detach and let the project take a life of its own that does not depend on me in any way. I would see the biggest risk to a new PPMC would not be me, but rather the sheer volume of work that the PPMC is stepping into. I am prepared for some initial chaos and perhaps a missed release cycle. But I have come to accept that that is a reasonable price to pay for a clean knife-edge hand-off. Greg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
My concerns are addressed as well. On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 8:11 PM Dave Fisher wrote: > Hi - > > My concerns have been addressed. I think we can proceed with the VOTE. I > intend to be +1(binding) > > Regards, > Dave > > > On Dec 2, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Craig Russell wrote: > > > > IPMC hat on... > > > >> On Dec 2, 2019, at 2:05 AM, 张铎(Duo Zhang) > wrote: > >> > >> Bertrand Delacretaz 于2019年12月2日周一 > 下午4:24写道： > >> > >>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 3:20 PM 张铎(Duo Zhang) > >>> wrote: > > ...IMO, the name 'NuttX' is a kudos to Gregory Nutt, who has been > developing and maintaining the project for 15 years... > >>> > >>> I'm fine with having such a name for historical reasons and I agree > >>> that it's nice to recognize the hard work of the project's creator. > >>> > ...No matter what is the name, he will be the center of the > project > >>> > >>> Having someone be THE center of an Apache project is not ok, our > >>> projects are governed by their PMCs. > >>> > >> Yes, I agree. What I say is abount the current state, when we just enter > >> the incubator, no doubt Greg will still be the center, as he has been > >> holding the project for 15 years, changing the name can not change this > >> fact... > >> > >>> > >>> But as I just said in my reply to Ted about the bus factor, IMO that's > >>> something that can be sorted out during incubation, especially if the > >>> project's current "benevolent dictator" expressly mentions a desire to > >>> step down from that role. > >>> > >> Yes. Thank you very much. This is something that needs to be addressed > >> during the incubating time. At least, Greg said in this thread that he > is > >> willing to give up control, let's see if this could come to true. > > > > This is a good discussion to have had before entering the incubator, and > I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can demonstrate > during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and allow the > project to move forward without the founder's undue influence. > > > > Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on the project, > but in a different role. > > > > Regards, > > Craig > >> > >>> > >>> -Bertrand > >>> > >>> - > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>> > >>> > > > > Craig L Russell > > c...@apache.org > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache TVM (incubating) v0.6.0.rc2 (#4443)
NOTICE file looks good LICENSE file looks good DISCLAIMER file exists and looks good Signature file looks good Hash file looks good No binary in source artifact Source code compiled using default License header exist +1 (binding) On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 10:48 AM YiZhi Liu wrote: > Dear community, > > This is a call for vote to release Apache TVM (incubating) version > 0.6.0. We are thrilled to have a lot of exciting features be added > since v0.5 early this year. > > Apache TVM (incubating) community has voted and approved the release, > with two +1 votes from IPMC members (Tianqi Chen and Byung-Gon Chun). > > Vote thread: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/53cff67efe69c0e7727eae695e2f85c3a6009d4026d0256b0ade4822@%3Cdev.tvm.apache.org%3E > > Result thread: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/4b5de26f088adb8dc338d7976cec1c9fa4de78943f8f34314b9a70d0@%3Cdev.tvm.apache.org%3E > > 1) Link to release notes: > https://github.com/apache/incubator-tvm/releases/tag/v0.6.0.rc2 > > 2) Link to release candidate: > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/tvm/tvm-v0.6.0-rc2 > > The vote will be open for at least 72 hours. > > +1 = approve > +0 = no opinion > -1 = disapprove (provide reason) > > Thanks, > > -- > Yizhi Liu > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Hi - My concerns have been addressed. I think we can proceed with the VOTE. I intend to be +1(binding) Regards, Dave > On Dec 2, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Craig Russell wrote: > > IPMC hat on... > >> On Dec 2, 2019, at 2:05 AM, 张铎(Duo Zhang) wrote: >> >> Bertrand Delacretaz 于2019年12月2日周一 下午4:24写道： >> >>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 3:20 PM 张铎(Duo Zhang) >>> wrote: ...IMO, the name 'NuttX' is a kudos to Gregory Nutt, who has been developing and maintaining the project for 15 years... >>> >>> I'm fine with having such a name for historical reasons and I agree >>> that it's nice to recognize the hard work of the project's creator. >>> ...No matter what is the name, he will be the center of the project >>> >>> Having someone be THE center of an Apache project is not ok, our >>> projects are governed by their PMCs. >>> >> Yes, I agree. What I say is abount the current state, when we just enter >> the incubator, no doubt Greg will still be the center, as he has been >> holding the project for 15 years, changing the name can not change this >> fact... >> >>> >>> But as I just said in my reply to Ted about the bus factor, IMO that's >>> something that can be sorted out during incubation, especially if the >>> project's current "benevolent dictator" expressly mentions a desire to >>> step down from that role. >>> >> Yes. Thank you very much. This is something that needs to be addressed >> during the incubating time. At least, Greg said in this thread that he is >> willing to give up control, let's see if this could come to true. > > This is a good discussion to have had before entering the incubator, and I'm > satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can demonstrate during > incubation that the founder will in fact step back and allow the project to > move forward without the founder's undue influence. > > Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on the project, but > in a different role. > > Regards, > Craig >> >>> >>> -Bertrand >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >>> > > Craig L Russell > c...@apache.org > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
IPMC hat on... > On Dec 2, 2019, at 2:05 AM, 张铎(Duo Zhang) wrote: > > Bertrand Delacretaz 于2019年12月2日周一 下午4:24写道： > >> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 3:20 PM 张铎(Duo Zhang) >> wrote: >>> >>> ...IMO, the name 'NuttX' is a kudos to Gregory Nutt, who has been >>> developing and maintaining the project for 15 years... >> >> I'm fine with having such a name for historical reasons and I agree >> that it's nice to recognize the hard work of the project's creator. >> >>> ...No matter what is the name, he will be the center of the project >> >> Having someone be THE center of an Apache project is not ok, our >> projects are governed by their PMCs. >> > Yes, I agree. What I say is abount the current state, when we just enter > the incubator, no doubt Greg will still be the center, as he has been > holding the project for 15 years, changing the name can not change this > fact... > >> >> But as I just said in my reply to Ted about the bus factor, IMO that's >> something that can be sorted out during incubation, especially if the >> project's current "benevolent dictator" expressly mentions a desire to >> step down from that role. >> > Yes. Thank you very much. This is something that needs to be addressed > during the incubating time. At least, Greg said in this thread that he is > willing to give up control, let's see if this could come to true. This is a good discussion to have had before entering the incubator, and I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can demonstrate during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and allow the project to move forward without the founder's undue influence. Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on the project, but in a different role. Regards, Craig > >> >> -Bertrand >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> Craig L Russell c...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache TVM (incubating) v0.6.0.rc2 (#4443)
+1 (binding) I have done my tests on Ubuntu 18.04 on the Windows Subsystem for Linux * Downloaded and unzipped the tarball * Checked the sha512 sum * Checked DISCLAIMER, LICENSE, NOTICES * Built the C++ code using default settings * Spot-checked files for license headers Markus On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:38 AM Furkan KAMACI wrote: > Hi, > > +1, carrying over my vote (binding). > > Kind Regards, > Furkan KAMACI > > On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:48 PM YiZhi Liu wrote: > > > Dear community, > > > > This is a call for vote to release Apache TVM (incubating) version > > 0.6.0. We are thrilled to have a lot of exciting features be added > > since v0.5 early this year. > > > > Apache TVM (incubating) community has voted and approved the release, > > with two +1 votes from IPMC members (Tianqi Chen and Byung-Gon Chun). > > > > Vote thread: > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/53cff67efe69c0e7727eae695e2f85c3a6009d4026d0256b0ade4822@%3Cdev.tvm.apache.org%3E > > > > Result thread: > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/4b5de26f088adb8dc338d7976cec1c9fa4de78943f8f34314b9a70d0@%3Cdev.tvm.apache.org%3E > > > > 1) Link to release notes: > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-tvm/releases/tag/v0.6.0.rc2 > > > > 2) Link to release candidate: > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/tvm/tvm-v0.6.0-rc2 > > > > The vote will be open for at least 72 hours. > > > > +1 = approve > > +0 = no opinion > > -1 = disapprove (provide reason) > > > > Thanks, > > > > -- > > Yizhi Liu > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > >
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache TVM (incubating) v0.6.0.rc2 (#4443)
Hi, +1, carrying over my vote (binding). Kind Regards, Furkan KAMACI On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:48 PM YiZhi Liu wrote: > Dear community, > > This is a call for vote to release Apache TVM (incubating) version > 0.6.0. We are thrilled to have a lot of exciting features be added > since v0.5 early this year. > > Apache TVM (incubating) community has voted and approved the release, > with two +1 votes from IPMC members (Tianqi Chen and Byung-Gon Chun). > > Vote thread: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/53cff67efe69c0e7727eae695e2f85c3a6009d4026d0256b0ade4822@%3Cdev.tvm.apache.org%3E > > Result thread: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/4b5de26f088adb8dc338d7976cec1c9fa4de78943f8f34314b9a70d0@%3Cdev.tvm.apache.org%3E > > 1) Link to release notes: > https://github.com/apache/incubator-tvm/releases/tag/v0.6.0.rc2 > > 2) Link to release candidate: > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/tvm/tvm-v0.6.0-rc2 > > The vote will be open for at least 72 hours. > > +1 = approve > +0 = no opinion > -1 = disapprove (provide reason) > > Thanks, > > -- > Yizhi Liu > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
My name is Xiang Xiao, I am an software architect from Xiaomi. One of my important commitment is working with Greg to make NuttX become the Apache Top Level Project. Thanks Xiang On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 11:23 PM David Sidrane wrote: > > Hello All, > > My name is David Sidrane and I am listed as a member of the initial NuttX > PPMC and fully committed to the project and its successful move to Apache. > > I would like to commend all of you for your insights. We as a project have > to learn about functioning in the Apache way. I am looking forward to the > mentoring you can offer us. > > Greg's dedication has always been highly respected by all of us who have > worked on NuttX. This donation to ASF is, in fact, in support of his legacy > and I hope you will all join us in honoring his work and dedication. > > Regards, > > David > > -Original Message- > From: Duo Zhang [mailto:zhang...@apache.org] > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 3:45 PM > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal > > The proposal on the wiki page has already listed five initial committers. > > And I think we can let the initial committers reply here to confirm that > they will be active, at least in the early time in the incubator, before we > elect new PPMC members. > > Does this solve your concerns? Thanks Dave. > > Dave Fisher 于2019年12月2日 周一01:38写道： > > > I share Ted’s concerns. > > > > It would help if the initial committer list was greater than the bare > > minimum of three. Three PPMC members is not enough. There needs to be at > > least five committers to start. > > > > (Should there be an explicit minimum in the proposal template?) > > > > It’s often the case that some initial committers do not actually > > transition to the incubating podling. > > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Dec 1, 2019, at 9:16 AM, Ted Dunning wrote: > > > > > > I doubt that the name is the crucial issue. I would see that have a > > > substantial group of initial committers who are active in setting up > > there > > > project would be the crucial step. That doesn't have to happen before > > > incubation. > > > > > > As a thought experiment, if Greg could go on a disconnected vacation > > right > > > now without messing up the move to Apache, I would have no worries. That > > is > > > almost certainly not true, but it can serve to illuminate the factors > > that > > > make it not true. Is the decision-making centralized? Are there > > problematic > > > thoughts about retaining a high bar to committee status? Do community > > > members automatically defer to Greg rather than move forward on > > decisions? > > > Are non-coders excluded from committer status? > > > > > > I don't know the answers to these questions, but I have a very strong > > > expectation that this will be harder to address than expected so it is > > > really good that this has already been identified and there are some > > > actions in progress. The only thing I can really add is that the > > community > > > members probably don't yet know how big a deal this will be and the > > Apache > > > folks probably assume more cultural transfer than has actually happened. > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 11:43 PM Justin Mclean > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >>> Having a project that seems to have the name of a prominent community > > >>> member seems to pose a risk that there is a benevolent dictator > > >>> pattern > > >> at > > >>> work here. > > >> > > >> Greg is aware of the “no dictators rule" and has already answered this > > in > > >> this thread. He willing to hand over responsibilities to the wider > > >> community and give up his trademark. > > >> > > >> Do you think it would be a good idea to change the name of the project? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Justin > > >> - > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > >> > > >> > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Hello All, My name is David Sidrane and I am listed as a member of the initial NuttX PPMC and fully committed to the project and its successful move to Apache. I would like to commend all of you for your insights. We as a project have to learn about functioning in the Apache way. I am looking forward to the mentoring you can offer us. Greg's dedication has always been highly respected by all of us who have worked on NuttX. This donation to ASF is, in fact, in support of his legacy and I hope you will all join us in honoring his work and dedication. Regards, David -Original Message- From: Duo Zhang [mailto:zhang...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 3:45 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal The proposal on the wiki page has already listed five initial committers. And I think we can let the initial committers reply here to confirm that they will be active, at least in the early time in the incubator, before we elect new PPMC members. Does this solve your concerns? Thanks Dave. Dave Fisher 于2019年12月2日 周一01:38写道： > I share Ted’s concerns. > > It would help if the initial committer list was greater than the bare > minimum of three. Three PPMC members is not enough. There needs to be at > least five committers to start. > > (Should there be an explicit minimum in the proposal template?) > > It’s often the case that some initial committers do not actually > transition to the incubating podling. > > Regards, > Dave > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 1, 2019, at 9:16 AM, Ted Dunning wrote: > > > > I doubt that the name is the crucial issue. I would see that have a > > substantial group of initial committers who are active in setting up > there > > project would be the crucial step. That doesn't have to happen before > > incubation. > > > > As a thought experiment, if Greg could go on a disconnected vacation > right > > now without messing up the move to Apache, I would have no worries. That > is > > almost certainly not true, but it can serve to illuminate the factors > that > > make it not true. Is the decision-making centralized? Are there > problematic > > thoughts about retaining a high bar to committee status? Do community > > members automatically defer to Greg rather than move forward on > decisions? > > Are non-coders excluded from committer status? > > > > I don't know the answers to these questions, but I have a very strong > > expectation that this will be harder to address than expected so it is > > really good that this has already been identified and there are some > > actions in progress. The only thing I can really add is that the > community > > members probably don't yet know how big a deal this will be and the > Apache > > folks probably assume more cultural transfer than has actually happened. > > > > > > > >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 11:43 PM Justin Mclean > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >>> Having a project that seems to have the name of a prominent community > >>> member seems to pose a risk that there is a benevolent dictator > >>> pattern > >> at > >>> work here. > >> > >> Greg is aware of the “no dictators rule" and has already answered this > in > >> this thread. He willing to hand over responsibilities to the wider > >> community and give up his trademark. > >> > >> Do you think it would be a good idea to change the name of the project? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Justin > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Incubator cookbook: Podling Releases update
Hi, On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 9:47 PM Craig Russell wrote: > ...I believe that the current cookbook recommendations need an update. [1] ... Thank you Craig and others for these suggestions, I have incorporated them as follows: -Added a new "Two-phase vote on Podling Releases" to keep the cookbook "modular" -Reworked the text as per the suggestions in this thread -Made a few minor related changes in other sections for consistency. I think I have included all suggestions, sometimes with a slightly different wording. Please review, my changes are already live at http://incubator.apache.org/cookbook/ but it's easy to change if we need to tweak or revert, https://github.com/apache/incubator has instructions. Diff at https://github.com/apache/incubator/commit/5bf9c25 -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Bertrand Delacretaz 于2019年12月2日周一 下午4:24写道： > On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 3:20 PM 张铎(Duo Zhang) > wrote: > > > > ...IMO, the name 'NuttX' is a kudos to Gregory Nutt, who has been > > developing and maintaining the project for 15 years... > > I'm fine with having such a name for historical reasons and I agree > that it's nice to recognize the hard work of the project's creator. > > > ...No matter what is the name, he will be the center of the project > > Having someone be THE center of an Apache project is not ok, our > projects are governed by their PMCs. > Yes, I agree. What I say is abount the current state, when we just enter the incubator, no doubt Greg will still be the center, as he has been holding the project for 15 years, changing the name can not change this fact... > > But as I just said in my reply to Ted about the bus factor, IMO that's > something that can be sorted out during incubation, especially if the > project's current "benevolent dictator" expressly mentions a desire to > step down from that role. > Yes. Thank you very much. This is something that needs to be addressed during the incubating time. At least, Greg said in this thread that he is willing to give up control, let's see if this could come to true. > > -Bertrand > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Transfer an iOS App to ASF's Apple account ?
Thanks, Justin I will bring this back to d...@weex.asf . Currently, I prefer deleting existing App, which would solve us from the trademark issue. Best Regards, YorkShen 申远 Justin Mclean 于2019年12月1日周日 上午8:35写道： > Hi, > > > So, which way is better? > > That is really up to the PPMC to decide. Some other projects have left > product names in package name (and the like), so it might be OK to leave it > in there, but I would rename it if you can. You may want to ask trademarks > their opinion. > > Thanks, > Justin > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 3:20 PM 张铎(Duo Zhang) wrote: > > ...IMO, the name 'NuttX' is a kudos to Gregory Nutt, who has been > developing and maintaining the project for 15 years... I'm fine with having such a name for historical reasons and I agree that it's nice to recognize the hard work of the project's creator. > ...No matter what is the name, he will be the center of the project Having someone be THE center of an Apache project is not ok, our projects are governed by their PMCs. But as I just said in my reply to Ted about the bus factor, IMO that's something that can be sorted out during incubation, especially if the project's current "benevolent dictator" expressly mentions a desire to step down from that role. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 6:16 PM Ted Dunning wrote: > ...As a thought experiment, if Greg could go on a disconnected vacation right > now without messing up the move to Apache, I would have no worries... IMHO having a low bus factor is a concern for *exiting* incubation. I don't see it as a problem for entering the Incubator, as long as there's a plan to improve things. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
