Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (non-binding) At first I thought beeing on the committers list would imply my approval of the proposal. But now I'd like to give the reasons for my vote as so many others did: (All just my point of view as an suburban inhabitant of the old OOo community) TDF was and is important for the OpenOffice.org community and did and does a great job. TDF came into existence just as many people of the OOo community saw the project and the community in danger - to give a new home to OOo. But still other parts of the community remain some kind of homeless. So I think before the different parts of the community could collaborate, approximate or even reunite, the homeless need a new home and I do not see another place now - especially no better one - as the ASF. Looking at the discussion of the last days I see many valid arguments on both sides and a level of approximation I would not have considered possible before. So please let that evolve and don't cancel it before it has begun. I would find it sad to see only parts of the experience represented on the committers list ( not my little bit ;-) ) beeing lost for OOo. My understanding of the Apache Incubator is that it is a place to see in reality if all the might-be and if is valid or not (might be wrong with it?). So I would be curious to see the things coming. Thank you for your time Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Request: Can proposed committers introduce themselves?
Am 09.06.2011 18:32, schrieb Manfred A. Reiter: upps forgot ... reunification if somehow possible ... to be even stronger ;-) ( please observe: in reunification we as germans have some experiences ;-) ) I hope it will not take 40 years ;-) 2011/6/9 Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com: [...] Interested in helping: Marketing, OOo in education sector, fundraising, documentation, community formation, internationalisation (not code, but documentation) Manfred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Question to TDF and its community
Am 07.06.2011 07:49, schrieb Christian Grobmeier: ... With OOo the company was nasty and people went away and were happy. The company wants the project at the ASF, and some people complain now. I think it's far more complex and dates back very long. (see below) After all I never really heard the words I want it at the ASF from somebody with OOo adress -my feeling is it is the ASF which wants it most. I might be wrong, the number of e-mails is overwhelming. Also Geronimo is big, but OOo is huge and might give us a good amount of headache. When it comes to reputation, as Harmony has gone idle they were lots of talks about it in the press. Yes, i think we will earn some nasty words when this podling fails. Yes, I'm also sure that you will get much work and headaches if you support this proposal and nobody could tell you to do so. Only be thankful if you did ;-) The risk for your reputation need not to be so big. I think it mainly depends on how this is brought forward. As a fully standalone, competing Apache Office that does not try to collaborate with TDF and TDF not with it (high risk) - or ... (also see below) I want a ASL Office, but I share Niclas concerns somehow. I am not sure if the TDF should be an entry requirement. I am a bit concerned this podling might only incubate because people are attracted by the OOo trademark. From the proposal: We believe in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place. Really? How can we know? There was no real initial team, the OOo proposal started with a call to arms. It seems everybody can get a free apache email address at the moment. I already know the answer - incubation will show us. If this is the answer to everything, then we can start voting now. The problem with the OOo community goes far beyond. As SUN bought StarDivision and open sourced their software as OpenOffice.org the imbalance of the community began and never ended. Imbalance because they always governed the project as main sponsor and directed development. As result very few external (means not employed) developers could be attracted. A second result was that voluntary supporters mainly got involved in non-code areas of the project. I think some even developed the feeling of the community as the side of the voluntary force and a more and more oponent corporate side. As Oracle stepped in the minefield exploded. So many bad emotions are still hanging around about who stole what baby from whom and deep scars and wounds are present. Amd I think healing the personal wounds is the thing that should happen outside. But helping to heal the wounds of the community seems to be a big talent of the Apache people. At least what I saw on the ML the last few days. This progress was a sign of hope that got me putting my name on the committers list. I see a huge part of the community at TDF and they are all doing a great job. But still they are not what I learned to know as the whole OOo community. So parts of the community stay away from TDF due to the license - mainly the corporate part. But I think there is still a part of the community that will not (yet or never) join TDF for other reasons. I don't want to start a big discussion here - so I call these reasons just wounds. So my hope is that here could be found some way of collaboration/approximation/someotherword between the up to now fragmented OOo community under the hood or with help of the Apache Foundation. But I don't believe all this could happen before the Apache Foundation is going to vote over the proposal. So the other possibility to forward Apache Office might be to try to converge the parts of the old OpenOffice.org community by ways still open. For me the idea of a future modular OOo ready to serve LO and all others sounds good - maybe there are still more ideas. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Put myself on the initial committers list
Dear All, I put myself on the initial committers list because I want to help the Apache OpenOffice Project in some way I can. As nearly nobody should know my name, I'll introduce myself briefly: Since 2005 I tried to support OOo by helping on forums and mailing lists, writing and co-writing a number of magazine articles and a book (with a larger section on OOo), holding some talks about OOo-extension-development (one at OOoCon in Beijing) My special interest lies in lowering the barriers for extension-development with OOo and thus my (not too high) skills are mostly to understand to some extent UNO and the extensions ecosystem. I also could do some documentation (preferably in German) and maybe translation too. Though being a member of the extensions project for some years now my involvement in the OOo community was never very deep and came to a halt the last two years for private reasons. So my merit concerning the OOo community is not very high and if someone considers it too bold to set myself on this list I would have no problem with removing me again. Reading this ML for some days now I feel great respect for your attitude and perspective on open source Thank you for your time Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Put myself on the initial committers list
Am 06.06.2011 15:01, schrieb Jim Jagielski: On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Christoph Jopp wrote: Dear All, I put myself on the initial committers list because I want to help the Apache OpenOffice Project in some way I can. Welcome! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org Thank you very much - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Put myself on the initial committers list
Hello Rob, thank you very much for the warm welcome. Yes, I think the entry-level is far too high. Even experienced developers need much time to get started with their first extension. And besides power users needing a quick macro I also think of a second use case: Even a full featured office suite can not implement more and more features. So special interest features needed just by a limited number of users can be delivered as extension. Regards, Christoph Hello Christoph, welcome aboard! I'm glad to see an extensions development expert with the project.I remember reading many years ago, maybe 1990 or so in Computer Languages magazine (now defunct) about a survey of the top computer languages used in business. Any question what the #1 choice was? No, it wasn't C or COBCOL. It was the 1-2-3 macro language! I think this is true today as well, that the application-developer is key. We need ways of lowering the skill level so every power user can do powerful automation with OpenOffice! And we need this to integrate with the web as well. It is no longer 1990 Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Put myself on the initial committers list
And not to forget: With Fernand Vanrie, we have aboard a still more experienced and more active extension developer. Hello Christoph, welcome aboard! I'm glad to see an extensions development expert with the project.I remember reading many years ago, maybe 1990 or so in Computer Languages magazine (now defunct) about a survey of the top computer languages used in business. Any question what the #1 choice was? No, it wasn't C or COBCOL. It was the 1-2-3 macro language! I think this is true today as well, that the application-developer is key. We need ways of lowering the skill level so every power user can do powerful automation with OpenOffice! And we need this to integrate with the web as well. It is no longer 1990 Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
