Re: [DISCUSS] Groovy Incubation proposal

2015-03-17 Thread Pascal Schumacher

Hi everybody,

when will the voting start? Or if it did start already when will there 
be decision?


Thanks and kind regards,
Pascal

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Re: [DISCUSS] Groovy Incubation proposal

2015-03-11 Thread Pascal Schumacher

Am 11.03.2015 um 21:24 schrieb Benedikt Ritter:
Is the groovy project aware that (to my knowledge) the coding has to 
happen on ASF infrastructure? You won't be able to use the github web 
UI for merging PRs for example, because currently the ASF only mirrors 
git repositories from git.apache.org http://git.apache.org to github.
Yes, we are aware of that. But as I understand we can still pull the 
changes (from a pull request) to our local repo then merge/cherry-pick 
and push to the ASF repo which will than be mirrored on github, right?


Regards,
Pascal



I'm very excited about this project, and will definitively be on board 
if groovy enters incubation.


Benedikt

2015-03-11 21:11 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau cedric.champ...@gmail.com 
mailto:cedric.champ...@gmail.com:


A good answer to this is to take a look at who actually
contributed for the
past 4 years:

https://github.com/groovy/groovy-core/graphs/contributors?from=2011-01-01to=2015-03-11type=c
and you will see that there are not so many regular contributors.
GitHub
helped us a lot recently to have more contributions, from simple
typos to
complex bug fixes, but one should not forget that a contribution
in GitHub
doesn't mean that the author is a committer : it's just that
authors are
preserved.

While we have a lot of contributors, only a few of us have a deep
knowledge
of Groovy internals. We will certainly encourage regular
contributors to
become committers (we already think of some), as long as those are
following quality standards, take care of important things like
maintaining
backwards compatibility etc... We had more than 5 committers in
the past,
but lots of them just stopped pushing code, for various reasons.
In the end
I would be the first pleased to see more committers, but
meritocracy is
also important. And to be clear, we do not think only about code:
contributions like documentation or tests are also very important.

2015-03-11 20:17 GMT+01:00 Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org
mailto:ro...@shaposhnik.org:

 On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:08 PM, jan i j...@apache.org
mailto:j...@apache.org wrote:
  Hi.
 
  Having just skimmed the proposal, that in general look good,
one thing
  caught my eye.
 
  The proposal talks several places about a vibrant community
and the
 initial
  commiters are only 5.

 This, is a GREAT question! Thank you so much for raising it. While
 preparing a proposal I've struggled with the same issue, because
looking
 at this:
https://github.com/groovy/groovy-core/graphs/contributors makes
 me wonder exactly the same thing.

 In the end, we decided to go ahead with the proposal the way it
is and
 position
 the initial list of committers more as a PMC for the project.

 That still doesn't answer your (or mine! ;-)) question of what's
the best
 way
 to make sure than anybody who feels like they have a stake in
the project
 and have contributed in the past get invited.

 There are a few alternatives I could see, but I would really
 appreciate Incubator's
 collective wisdom on what would be the best way to proceed here
given
 that Groovy is a very mature project with a lot of contributors
in the
 past.
 Some of whom may or may not wish to keep contributing.

 Thanks,
 Roman.





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