Cultural Analysis Paper Featuring Apache Incubator and Apache Kibble

[Sharan Foga]

Hi All

A while ago I mentioned that I had put together a paper on Apache culture.

https://s.apache.org/8uaw3

Well I have been working on another one. Again I have used Apache Kibble and 
this time I tried to focus on Apache Incubator and cultural embedding, I used 
some of our Chinese initiated projects that have been through or are currently 
going through Incubator and compared them with both non-Chinese initiated 
projects that had also gone through Incubator and projects that have not been 
through incubator at all (and that included Kibble!).

Please feel free to take a look and as always feedback welcome. I am working on 
putting together a brief summary page just in case people don't want to read 
all 93 pages! :-)

https://s.apache.org/w5v76

Huge thanks to Justin for being one of my supervisors and also Ted Liu for 
helping me with background information on open source in China.

I will also post this on the ComDev list.

Thanks
Sharan

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Re: List of Projects that went straight to Top Level Projects

[Sharan Foga]

Hi Sam

Thanks for the rough cut list as it gives me more of the context so I can see 
where to select projects from for comparison. My thought is to do some analysis 
with Kibble as I did with my previous paper (summary version  is here 
https://s.apache.org/rguz and full version is here https://s.apache.org/y9Mv) 
and maybe follow it up with a survey or interview of the mentors or PMC members.

Will let people know when I have some details / results to share.

Thanks
Sharan 

On 2019/04/01 19:21:39, Sam Ruby  wrote: 
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 2:28 PM Greg Stein  wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:11 PM Julian Hyde  wrote:
> >
> > > Most of the projects mentioned so far have been “internal”
> >
> >
> > Only because all the umbrella-derived projects haven't been mentioned. Most
> > of that "spin out to a TLP" was done a decade ago, so they've been omitted
> > from discussion.
> >
> >
> > > - code developed to help run the ASF. “External” projects also go
> > > straight-to-TLP and are more important because they have many more users
> > > and greater impact on the world.
> > >
> >
> > I recall only two "external" projects have gone straight-to-TLP: Serf,
> > Zest/Polygene. I'm guessing Dave, et al, will surface others, if they
> > exist. I would disagree with your latter statement; they went to TLP based
> > on oversight, rather than on userbase/impact.
> >
> > I would suggest: the 90% of straight-to-TLP have been "internal" or
> > "spun-out".
> 
> My rough cut:
> 
> Straight to TLP:
>   Bahir, DRAT, Kibble, Orc, Serf, STeVe, Whimsy, Zest
> 
> Pre-incubator:
>   Ant, Avalon, Cocoon, DB, HTTP Server, Jakarta, Perl, PHP, TCL, XML
> 
> Spun out from elsewhere:
>   Archiva, Arrow, Avro, Axis, BookkeeperA, Camel, Continuum, Excalibur,
>   Forrest, Gump, Hadoop, HBase, HiveMind, HTTPComponents, JAMES, JMeter,
>   Karaf, Logging Services, Lucene, Mahout, Maven, Mina, POI, Quetzalcoatl,
>   Royale, Santuario, Shale, Struts, Tiles, Tomcat, Turbine, Velocity,
>   Web Services< Xalan, Xerces, XML Graphics, Yetus, Zookepper
> 
> Non-code PMC:
>   Attic, Community Development, Incubator, Labs, Public Relations
> 
> - Sam Ruby
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Re: List of Projects that went straight to Top Level Projects

[Sharan Foga]

Wow - thanks everyone for  the feedback. And Sam this is great.

Thanks
Sharan

On 2019/04/01 00:08:47, Sam Ruby  wrote: 
> In March, I wrote a script to find establishment resolutions, and to
> scan those resolutions for the word 'incubator':
> 
> https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/graduated#summary
> 
> As always, the data is a bit dirty.  There are a number of projects
> that were created before we had establish resolutions, and some
> projects like comdev -- while technically "bypassing" the incubator --
> are not the types of projects you are looking for.
> 
> - Sam Ruby
> 
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 7:28 AM Sharan Foga  wrote:
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > Does anyone know if there is a list of projects that bypassed incubation? 
> > For example - I know a couple of projects Royale and Kibble that went 
> > straight to TLP. Is there a list anywhere for all projects like this?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sharan
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List of Projects that went straight to Top Level Projects

[Sharan Foga]

Hi All

Does anyone know if there is a list of projects that bypassed incubation? For 
example - I know a couple of projects Royale and Kibble that went straight to 
TLP. Is there a list anywhere for all projects like this? 

Thanks
Sharan

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[DISCUSS] Include Incubator as part of Community Track at Apachecon NA?

[Sharan Foga]

Hi All

I’m helping to manage the Community track for ApacheCon NA in Las Vegas 
http://www.apachecon.com/acna19/index.html

and would like to know what people think about including Incubator as part of 
the Community track. I know that some incubating projects might be included as 
part of the other tracks such as big data, iot or integration so this would 
give some potential schedule space to projects that don’t fit those categories.

What do people think?

Thanks
Sharan

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Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

[Sharan Foga]

Hi Lars

I'd like to be a part of this, not only from a ComDev perspective, as this 
project and its resources would be a great asset for the community development 
effort (internally and externally), but also because I have an real interest in 
developing documentation and training material.  

So I'd be happy to be involved.

Thanks
Sharan

On 2019/01/25 12:49:01, Lars Francke  wrote: 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> this is the result of the discussion I started in December 2018[1].
> 
> I would like to start this thread to get feedback on a proposal we've been
> working on for a project focused on developing training material for Apache
> & 3rd party projects.
> 
> The full proposal can be found here <
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TrainingProposal>
> 
> Disclaimer: It is a bit different than most other proposals as it basically
> starts at zero.
> 
> Our main goals for this discussion are:
> * Finding mentors and interested contributors
> * Discuss whether this should be a Incubator project, straight to TLP or a
> Central Service
> * Sharpen the scope of the project
> 
> While I personally have a relatively long history as a contributor,
> committer etc. at Apache I've never been a mentor before so we would love
> for some experienced people to help us out.
> 
> We're looking forward to all kinds of feedback.
> 
> Cheers,
> Lars
> 
> [1] <
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/9cb4d7eef73e0d526e0124944c3d37325aa892675351a1eed0a25de3@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
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Re: [IPMC] What to do with retired podling repositories

[Sharan Foga]

Hi Daniel

Yes I'll be using Kibble so a great suggestion! Sounds like a win-win situation 
to me :-)

Thanks
Sharan

On 2019/01/14 11:14:26, Daniel Gruno  wrote: 
> On 1/14/19 12:12 PM, Sharan F wrote:
> > Hi Greg
> > 
> > You have a good point and my need is a more of a personal one (rather 
> > than an IPMC one) so if delete is the consensus,  then go for it. I 
> > won't hold it up.
> 
> If you are doing research on them, and you are (presumably) using Kibble 
> there, you could just make sure they are scraped before they are 
> deleted, and you should be fine.
> 
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Sharan
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 14 Jan 2019, 11:25 Greg Stein  >  wrote:
> > 
> > If they didn't graduate, then they aren't Apache projects. So as
> > Myrle says, "what are they doing on our servers?" For the retired
> > podlings, our copy of their code could be misleading, relative to
> > where it came from, or where the community may have newly forked it.
> > 
> > Not an Infra opinion,
> > -g
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 12:12 AM Myrle Krantz  > > wrote:
> > 
> > If we can’t name a reason for keeping the data, I’d be inclined
> > to just
> > delete.  We are not data squirrels.
> > 
> > : o),
> > Myrle
> > 
> > On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 10:15 AM Daniel Gruno
> > mailto:humbed...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > 
> >  > Hello IPMC and other folks,
> >  >
> >  > We have a big bunch of retired podlings with git repositories on
> >  > git-wip-us. As we are working on retiring this service, we
> > need to
> >  > address what happens with these old project repositories.
> >  >
> >  > The retired podlings we need to address are:
> >  > blur, cmda, concerted, corinthia, cotton, gearpump, gossip,
> > hdt, horn,
> >  > htrace, iota, mrql, openaz, pirk, provisionr, quickstep,
> > ripple, s4,
> >  > slider, wave
> >  >
> >  > Before February 7th, we at ASF Infra, would love if the
> > incubator could
> >  > decide what happens to these repositories, either
> > individually or as a
> >  > whole.
> >  >
> >  > Some suggested options are:
> >  >
> >  > 1) delete the repositories
> >  > 2) rename them to incubator-retired-$foo.git
> >  > 3) Do nothing, but put a note on github etc that they retired.
> >  > 4) punt it to the attic if possible (you'd have to coordinate
> > with the
> >  > Attic PMC then)
> >  > 5) Something else??
> >  >
> >  > Please talk among yourselves and let Infra know :)
> >  >
> >  > With regards,
> >  > Daniel on behalf of ASF Infra.
> >  >
> >  >
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Re: Incubator exit interview

[Sharan Foga]

Hi All

As Julian mentions, my understanding is that this is about information 
collection not about decision making. The more information we have that is 
relevant could encourage more focussed discussion and help us see if there is 
something unclear in the documentation or process.

If there is concern about talking to the PMC Chair only then perhaps it can be 
balanced by making the interview offer available to the PMC, the Committers or 
whole community.

Thanks
Sharan

On 2019/01/14 18:50:20, Julian Hyde  wrote: 
> What Roman said.
> 
> And also, I make a distinction between communication (information gathering) 
> and decision making. The Apache Way is that decisions occur on-list. It 
> doesn’t say that all communication/information gathering is on-list.
> 
> Julian
> 
> 
> > On Jan 14, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Roman Shaposhnik  wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 10:14 AM Kevin A. McGrail  
> > wrote:
> >> On 1/14/2019 1:01 PM, Julian Hyde wrote:
> >>> I don’t think the “decisions should be made on-list” principle applies to 
> >>> all communication. (Otherwise why would we allow hallway conversations at 
> >>> conferences?) I’d rather that we make better decisions than be slave to 
> >>> principle.
> >>> 
> >> It really does apply to everything.
> > 
> > As Mark Twain would say: all generalizations are false. Including this one 
> > ;-)
> > 
> >> Even if you have the best meeting
> >> in the world, you bring back minutes and decisions made off list for
> >> ratification.  That way there is then an archive of the decision and
> >> everyone can participate.
> > 
> > I think if you unpack this statement you will see that there's an implicit
> > assumption about "collaborative things". That's 90+% of what ASF does.
> > And the statement applies there 100% -- no disagreement there.
> > 
> > But there's also a small portion of things that have to do with humans,
> > personalities and personnel. That's where what - Julian mentioned really
> > starts making sense. At least in my book.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> 
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Re: Incubator exit interview

[Sharan Foga]

Hi Justin

Thanks for putting this together. I took a quick look and have some suggestions 
(so perhaps getting the edit access would be good, if you are happy for me to 
change things).

The question about the Apache Way is a simple yes / no. I suppose no one is 
going to respond no when they have graduated or just about to graduate. If they 
do then that in itself is going to be something to investigate! The follow on 
part about finding out which bits people don't understand is very useful to 
capture. For the Apache way question I'd probably look at rephrasing it along 
the lines of

What does the Apache way mean to you?
What do you think are the most important aspects of Apache culture?
How would you describe the Apache Way?
What you you understand about the Apache Way?

The responses will be more text based and I hope will capture a bit more than a 
yes/no type question would. I am also keen to capture some potential feedback 
for my MBA thesis about Apache Incubator so would like to maybe add a question 
about if people think that there has been a culture change (i.e adapting to the 
Apache Way)

Thanks
Sharan


On 2018/12/15 22:11:42, Justin Mclean  wrote: 
> Hi,
> 
> I’ve created a form here using google forms [1]. If anyone wants edit 
> permission just ask.
> 
> Google forms seemed an easy way to do it, is free and you don’t need a google 
> account in order to be able to fill it out.
> 
> Any suggestions for projects to try it out on? Airflow is a good candidate as 
> they graduate this month.
> 
> Thanks,
> Justin
> 
> 1. 
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc2pjlEBpE0UYQyMm7j1oPiOtXaTU8OFiSxe7dycHDXFndQkw/viewform?usp=sf_link
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Re: [ANN] Please welcome Justin Mclean as the new Incubator PMC chair!

[Sharan Foga]

Congratulations Justin and thanks John for all the hard work you have done!

On 2018/06/04 10:12:21, Bertrand Delacretaz  wrote: 
> Hi,
> 
> John D. Ament recently announced his desire to step down from the
> Incubator PMC chair role. Thank you so much John for your efficient
> service here, "retiring" from that is certainly well deserved!
> 
> The Incubator PMC had the difficult task of choosing between a handful
> of excellent candidates and has selected Justin as our new chair. The
> ASF's Board of Directors has ratified this choice at our May meeting.
> 
> Please join me in welcoming Jusin as our new PMC chair! Justin's been
> very active in the Incubator in the last few years, it's great to see
> him step up to this role.
> 
> -Bertrand
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