Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote on 08/27/2012 08:43:35 AM: From: Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com To: general@incubator.apache.org, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org, Cc: ooo-...@incubator.apache.org ooo-...@incubator.apache.org Date: 08/27/2012 08:44 AM Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote On Aug 26, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: No. There is NO WAY IN HELL the org can indemnify a volunteer who produces a binary build themselves. Please don't bother asking legal-discuss to tackle this. Here's an analogy: for a long, long time Bill Rowe has taken it upon himself to create binary builds of Apache httpd for the large Windows community. Netware binary builds are also occasionally released (see http://httpd.apache.org/download.cgi). These are available right from the official httpd download page and located right next to the official source code, yet they are artifacts NOT released (officially) by the ASF or the httpd PMC, but are available from a trusted source. Isn't that all the end-user cares about? And isn't that sufficient for AOO? Yes, that's what end users care about. But it's not sufficient for AOO since we are seeking alternative distribution channels. Effort to exponentially expand distribution channels require code signing. These discussions were started on legal@ with no resolution. Sorry I don't have the reference for that handy. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept ODF Toolkit for Incubation
+1 sa3r...@gmail.com wrote on 07/28/2011 03:53:40 PM: From: Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net To: general@incubator.apache.org, Date: 07/28/2011 03:54 PM Subject: [VOTE] Accept ODF Toolkit for Incubation Sent by: sa3r...@gmail.com *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the ODF Toolkit threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept the ODF Toolkit as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ODFToolkitProposal?action=recallrev=7 I encourage everybody to read the proposal thread before voting: http://old.nabble.com/-PROPOSAL--ODF-Toolkit-for-Incubation-td32102643.html Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept ODF Toolkit for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to ODF Toolkit incubation [ ] -1 Reject ODF Toolkit for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = The ODF Toolkit = == Abstract == The ODF Toolkit is a set of Java modules that allow programmatic creation, scanning and manipulation of OpenDocument Format (ISO/IEC 26300 == ODF) documents. Unlike other approaches which rely on runtime manipulation of heavy-weight editors via an automation interface, the ODF Toolkit is lightweight and ideal for server use. The ODF Toolkit is currently hosted by the ODF Toolkit Union and is licensed under the Apache 2.0 license. == Proposal == To move the following components from the ODF Toolkit Union to a single ODF Toolkit project at Apache: *Simple Java API for ODF: http://simple.odftoolkit.org/ *ODFDOM: http://odftoolkit.org/projects/odfdom/pages/Home *ODF Conformance Tools: http://odftoolkit.org/projects/conformancetools/pages/Home (We'd be open as well to a catchier name. We've been calling it The ODF Toolkit, prefaced always with The. Or individually by component name. But The Apache ODF Toolkit or Apache ODF Toolkit are ponderous.) In addition to migrating the code, we would migrate the website, tutorials, samples, Bugzilla data, and (if feasible) the mailing list archives. We would also seek to transfer the odftoolkit.org domain name to Apache. While under incubation we will merge these projects into a single SDK with three layers: *Package layer, representing the ZIP + Manifest container file of an ODF document. This structure is shared by other document formats, such as EPUB *DOM Layer, a schema-generated layer that maps 1:1 with the ODF schema. This uses Apache Velocity as the templating engine. *Convenience layer: an intuitive, high level API for use by app developers who are not familiar with ODF XML, but who have basic knowledge at the level of a word processor user. == Background == The ODF Toolkit Union was jointly announced by Sun and IBM at the OpenOffice.org Conference in Beijing, November 2008. The idea was to create a portfolio of tools aimed at accelerating the growth of document-centric solutions. The Open Document Format specification is large and complex. Most developers simply do not have the time and energy to master the 1,000-page specification By providing programming libraries, with high level APIs, the ODF Toolkit offers an means to reduce the difficulty level, and encourage development of innovative document solutions. == Rationale == During the recent OpenOffice incubation proposal discussions, the mention of possible moving the ODF Toolkit to Apache was met with enthusiasm. Apache is emerging as the leading open source community for document related projects. The ODF Toolkit would have a good deal of synergy with other Apache projects, including the ODF Toolkit's dependency on Apache XML tools like Xerces, to possible multi-format applications with POI libraries to pipelining ODF with SVG and PDF rendering with Batik, FOP or PDFBox. Getting these various document processing libraries in one place, under a compatible permissive license would be of great value and service to users-developers interested in combining these tools for their specific project requirements. Last, but not least, there is obvious synergy with Apache OpenOffice, as a prominent office suite supporting the ODF format. The ODF Toolkit is already licensed under Apache License, Version 2.0, enabling a smooth transition. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. The initial committers are familiar with open source development. A diverse developer community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term ODF Toolkit project. == Community == The ODF Toolkit is developed by a small set of core developers, though the community extends to include a broad set of application developers who use the code and contribute bug reports, patches and feature
Re: [PROPOSAL] ODF Toolkit for Incubation
Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote on 07/21/2011 02:02:55 PM: From: Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com To: general@incubator.apache.org, Date: 07/22/2011 04:20 AM Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] ODF Toolkit for Incubation On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Jul 21, 2011, at 7:10 AM, Andy Brown wrote: Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Andy Brown andy@the-martin- byrd.net wrote: Rob Weir wrote: And I've added it to the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ODFToolkitProposal -Rob What can I do to help? Good question. Once the project is set up, there will be many areas where we would benefit from contributions. Naturally, this includes Java programmers, but also QA, documentation, and of course, users. I was referring to get it approved as an incubator project. I see no where to sign up as a committer as we had with OOo. I would like to help as well. Are people allowed to add their names to the proposal? I've been told that the way we opened things up for initial committers on the OpenOffice proposal was not the norm. I was pointed to this post that explained the danger of extreme approaches in either direction, piling on versus not letting anyone new in: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/ 200607.mbox/%3c5353a3c4-4ccc-4673-a00f-b9ce3193c...@gbiv.com%3E So it appears that the decision on initial committers rests with the proposers, which I count as myself and the other names listed initially. Personally, I would welcome anyone who is committed to the success of the project and is able to contribute in one way or another. But I'd like to see what my co-proposers think on this as well. As a co-proposer, I also welcome anyone who is committed to the success of this project. There are many exciting areas to improve. We will need to develop a good community to support this project beyond the core developers. So if you have a keen interest in the 'document-space', please do not hesitate to join. Can we do this for now? If anyone is committed to the project and able to contribute, please respond to this note with some indication of your interest. The proposers can then review this information and add names to the wiki accordingly. There is a checks and balances aspect to this as well. If the proposers are seen as rejecting earnest offers of help from the community, then that could clearly be a factor in how the proposal is voted on. -Rob Regards, Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Request to join as initial committer
Joanmarie Diggs joanmarie.di...@gmail.com wrote on 06/10/2011 05:28:59 PM: From: Joanmarie Diggs joan...@gnome.org To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/11/2011 10:04 AM Subject: Request to join as initial committer Sent by: Joanmarie Diggs joanmarie.di...@gmail.com Hi! Sorry for this just-under-the-wire request, but I would love to be added to the list of initial committers if it is not too late. Most of my strengths are around accessibility: Volunteer Job: * Orca project lead (1+ years) and developer (5+ years) * GNOME Accessibility Project assistant to the lead (1+ year) Day Job: * Assistive Technology Specialist, Carroll Center for the Blind (15 years) Very cool. While IBM contributed its accessibility code to Oracle last year, Oracle was unable to fully integrate. We should finish that work if the proposal passes to podling. It looks like this will be an effort you would want to consider working on. This is the code that implements the IA2 APIs that IBM donated to Linux Foundation in December 2008.[1] Thank you in advance for your consideration! Take care. Joanmarie Diggs - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org [1] http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/accessibility/iaccessible2 /don harbison
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 (non-binding) - Don Harbison Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote on 06/10/2011 12:02:44 PM: Please cast your votes: [ X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby
RE: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors
Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote on 06/08/2011 03:33:42 PM: From: Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/08/2011 03:34 PM Subject: RE: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors Robert Weir wrote: - Community development, due to the need to develop and coordinate/collaborate with current and anticipated downstream consumers of the project, as well as potentially forging bi-directional collaborations. we would benefit from having incubation mentors with noted strength in these areas. if say, another 2 or so IPMC members who have complementary strengths in one or more of the above areas, I'd welcome their assistance. If she's amenable, perhaps Danese Cooper? What about Nick Burch? He's chair ConComm as far as I know, and in a great position to be neutral wrt to past histories. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org /don harbison
Re: OOo Monetary Donations
Don Harbison Program Director, IBM ODF Initiative Tel. +1-978-399-7018 Mobile: +1-978-761-0116 Email: donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/08/2011 06:44:35 PM: From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/08/2011 06:45 PM Subject: Re: OOo Monetary Donations On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.netwrote: Simon Phipps wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2011 22:50, Noel J. Bergmann...@devtech.com wrote: Dave Fisher wrote: Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of the ways in which your funds might be used include: ? Hiring independent developers to work with OpenOffice.org. ? Paying for participation at trade shows and conferences. ? Paying for organization and staff at annual OpenOffice.org Conference, OOoCon. ? Marketing banners, collateral, CDs and brochures. Clearly there ought to be changes to the page and process when/if the podling happens. This is probably at the ASF Board level... certainly the hiring developers part doesn't fit... Well ... that's an interesting question. While hiring could happen outside of the ASF, AFAIK there is nothing to stop us from accepting funds and having a group (analogous to our Travel Assistance process) that offered payment, a la Google Code or other. I do agree that I'd like to see the Board and Membership weigh in on that discussion if/when it ever becomes one. Presumably it would also be possible to have a group outside ASF called eg Friends of Open Office ( FOO) that raised money and put it to code development or marketing or whatever. Not saying that is the best way just its a possibility. Doesn't one of those already exist? S. I think your referring to Friends of OpenDocument INC, based out of Queensland Australia. See http://www.friendsofopendocument.com/newsite/ I was actually thinking of Freies Office Deutschland e.V. primarily, http://www.frodev.org/ S. Yes. Clearly. The appeal is now very prominently displayed on TDF homepage. http://www.documentfoundation.org/
Re: OOo Monetary Donations
Don Harbison Program Director, IBM ODF Initiative Tel. +1-978-399-7018 Mobile: +1-978-761-0116 Email: donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/08/2011 07:51:20 PM: From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/08/2011 07:52 PM Subject: Re: OOo Monetary Donations On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:48 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/08/2011 06:44:35 PM: I was actually thinking of Freies Office Deutschland e.V. primarily, http://www.frodev.org/ Interesting. That happens to also be where TDF donations go: http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ Indeed - if you look at FrODeV's articles it's established to support the OpenOffice.org community in general, which includes LibreOffice. Reference please? S.
Re: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors
Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote on 06/08/2011 08:44:43 PM: From: Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/08/2011 08:46 PM Subject: Re: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors On 09/06/2011 01:21, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: Noel J. Bergmann...@devtech.com wrote on 06/08/2011 03:33:42 PM: From: Noel J. Bergmann...@devtech.com To:general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/08/2011 03:34 PM Subject: RE: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors Robert Weir wrote: - Community development, due to the need to develop and coordinate/collaborate with current and anticipated downstream consumers of the project, as well as potentially forging bi-directional collaborations. we would benefit from having incubation mentors with noted strength in these areas. if say, another 2 or so IPMC members who have complementary strengths in one or more of the above areas, I'd welcome their assistance. If she's amenable, perhaps Danese Cooper? What about Nick Burch? He's chair ConComm as far as I know, and in a great position to be neutral wrt to past histories. With respect to Community Development both Noirin and I are on the Community Development and Conference Committee PMCs. I certainly have no past history and I don't think Noirin does either. Of course Nick is very welcome to join us, but if he does not have the time I think we are adequately covered. Remember the mentoring role is not a doing role. It still falls to the project committers to actually do the collaboration work. Thanks Ross, much appreciated. The thought was that the project would most benefit from an Apache community development mentor with no past history with OpenOffice.org. The goal most seem to agree to is one of unification. So a 'Special Envoy', forgive the exaggerated metaphor, may be more effective. Danese has wonderful history, but this project is now moving forward re-born, in a sense. It deserves fresh leadership. IMHO. Ross - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OOo Monetary Donations
Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/08/2011 08:51:45 PM: From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/08/2011 08:54 PM Subject: Re: OOo Monetary Donations On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Andy Brown wrote: Andrew Rist wrote: to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. searching for a more complete answer It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were accounted for since the fork. The e.V changed names and collects donations for LibreOffice, http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ . Please tell me that does not mean that when people go to OOo and make a donation that it winds up in TDF's coffers. Please. OK :-) Doesn't look like they do, no. They benefit the OpenOffice.org community. Mind you, that does include LibreOffice. Are we parsing the meaning of the word 'is' here? I agree that there is (1) massive, passionate, and caring OpenOffice.org community. Many have expressed a strong desire to move forward, putting past wounds to heal. In that spirit, I wholeheartedly agree with you. A euro, a dollar, a yuan donated to this account is for the (1) community... In the same regard, the Team OpenOffice.org e.V. to which IBM and other corporate sponsors provided annual financial support may now wish to consider consolidation with http://www.frodev.org/. If that seems inappropriate, perhaps both need to be retired, as we pivot into the future with the ASF OpenOffice project while the TDF / LibreOffice.org project runs in parallel, and something new (I have no clue!) needs to be createdall for one, one for all. S.
Re: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors
Danese Cooper dan...@gmail.com wrote on 06/08/2011 09:31:24 PM: From: Danese Cooper dan...@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/08/2011 09:31 PM Subject: Re: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors Help me understand why the project would most benefit from that situation, Don. First off, I mean no dis-respect. Your track record with OO.o speaks for itself, in terms of the initial launch of OpenOffice.org. Thank You! (and Sun!!!) My suggestion, and that's all it is, was to seek a mentor for ASF who does *not* have your history, nor anyone's with that great legacy. Rather, the suggestion was to seek an Apache mentor with a fresh set of eyeballs, ears, and sensibilities wholly lacking in this great history. Who knows where someone like that would be able to influence the future direction of the project... Mentors' main role is to help podling members learn the Apache Way so they can graduate to TLP. This project enjoys a wealth of excellent mentors and we happen to mostly be people who have worked successfully together at Apache. With so many mentors, my thought was that it would be quite helpful to have one that knows some history. Additionally, I am not currently and have no immediate plans to be in the employ of any entity with a commercial interest in the outcome of this project. I believe you may be confused on this point. I completely get it that this is a new chapter, and I am quite interested in helping the podling succeed as an upstream source of OOo code to the entire extended ecosystem. To that end, I would expect to help poding members remember to be inclusive and transparent in their motives and actions. Danese Thanks Ross, much appreciated. The thought was that the project would most benefit from an Apache community development mentor with no past history with OpenOffice.org. The goal most seem to agree to is one of unification. So a 'Special Envoy', forgive the exaggerated metaphor, may be more effective. Danese has wonderful history, but this project is now moving forward re-born, in a sense. It deserves fresh leadership. IMHO.
RE: OpenOffice LibreOffice
Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote on 06/07/2011 03:49:12 PM: From: Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/07/2011 03:49 PM Subject: RE: OpenOffice LibreOffice Simon Phipps wrote: I agree on both counts. My sense continues to be that the best outcome would be close to my original proposal[1], although that got substantial push-back from some quarters. So let's address the push-back. The proposal, as I understand it, is for OpenOffice to exist at the ASF. Push-back that it should move to TDF is just a non-starter, as far as I can see, for those interested in doing OpenOffice under a permissive license. The licensing issue does not go away, so let's move on with the assumption that OpenOffice will happen here. Once we establish that predicate, the question is what happens with collaboration. You and I agree that core development would happen at the ASF. TDF would be a downstream consumer of the core code, and able to incorporate incompatibly licensed code into its unique distribution. Everyone, IBMer, TDFer, and other alike would be welcomed to contribute to the core code, under our license, and to incorporate their own downstream changes under their own license. From that perspective, TDF and IBM are equal players, each with their own enhancements: one set LGPL/MPL, the other closed source. Let us not conflate trademark issues with collaboration on the code. That just defocuses attention from the necessary issues, IMO. --- Noel +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Introducing Me - Don Harbison
Hi Everyone, Please allow me to introduce myself. I know many of you on this list already, either personally, in a direct way or indirectly, due to my work over the last 6 years. But I am a newbie at Apache and learning the Apache Way. While I am an IBMer, I commit that I will emulate Sam Ruby's fine example and be careful to wear my brand new Apache Hat here. Catch me off this list / project if you want me to speak as an IBMer. I work in IBM's Open Standards team where we have a bunch of folks on various standards committees across a broad spectrum of standards development organizations. I work on ODF in alot of different ways: At OASIS I have chaired the ODF Adoption TC since March 2006. Folks from TDF and OOo, and others in the industry and gov't are members. I am also on the main ODF TC, and the ODF Interoperability and Conformance TC. My colleagues in the IBM Collaboration Solution division work on Symphony, and yes, I do work with them on ODF and OpenOffice Technology issues. You will no doubt have noticed that the Symphony development team reps have signed on today also. There is no intent to go nuts here, and put a large team on the project, but we want to prove that we are genuine about our plans to contribute more robustly than we have been able to do in the past. Hopefully, you will hold us to this commitment. I'm sure you will. :) I believe I was the first IBM person to show up at OpenOffice.org when I attended the 2005 conference in Koper, Slovenia. Since then I have been the de facto IBM liaison to OpenOffice.org, providing annual sponsorship funds, helping to encourage IBM participation and contribution to OOo on many different levels. I helped get IBM to sign on as a member of OpenOffice.org in Sep 2007. Believe it or not, I have the scars on my back with respect to our attempts to make code contributions to OOo. Throughout this experience, I hope I can say without reservation that I have made many friends in OOo and many of those friends are now with TDF and LibreOffice. My goal with this project proposal is to work and deliver on the non-coding side of the house; i.e. branding, communications, events, community development and ODF ecosystem project deliverables when relevant. I am passionate about the software, whatever it's called, and have alot of respect and appreciation for those who have labored long and hard to make the software as great as it is today. So 'Nice to meet you!' Let's get on with it. /don
Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal
Danese Cooper dan...@gmail.com wrote on 06/06/2011 02:34:30 PM: From: Danese Cooper dan...@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/06/2011 02:35 PM Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal Eric (and all), We're only just starting to discuss this...Once we decide on a few venues for meetings...we'll start wiki pages for signups so people can say whether they'll be there. Please include the ODF Plug-fest in Berlin, July 14-15 as a candidate[1] Danese On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 11:31 AM, eric b eric.bach...@free.fr wrote: Hi, Le 6 juin 11 à 20:21, Greg Stein a écrit : On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 14:18, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: I'll surrely can make it to the US if needed. OSCON is good, but would like to know if there will be enough OOo people there to ensure there would be an useful exchange. More than zero is better than we have so far :-) Alexandro isnot joking, and pointed a big issue : there will be nobody from OOo represented (I mean the one who put their names on the wiki) Words are missing me (sorry, I'm not a native speaker), but there is something wrong ... Regards, Eric Bachard -- q Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news [1]http://tinyurl.com/62gh4yx
Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal
Don Harbison Program Director, IBM ODF Initiative Tel. +1-978-399-7018 Mobile: +1-978-761-0116 Email: donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/06/2011 03:18:11 PM: From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/06/2011 03:19 PM Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 15:04, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: It's just a meeting between colleagues. If all it does is break a little of the entrenched ice I'd call it a success. Sure beats email for dealing with emotions/trust. Right. And we can also be optimistic that the Incubator will vote the podling in. And optimistic that we'd have something to talk about. Really... nobody is talking about any kind of meetup before mid-July, so there is time. Worst case? Podling doesn't get started, and we just don't meet up. Not a big deal. But to get the ball rolling... yah. Let's try now. In the event it doesn't get started (and I sincerely hope it does) it will be even more important for the OpenOffice.org community-at-large to come together to work out what happens next. So I figure we need these meetings regardless, unless we all want the future devised in closed rooms by corporate politicians... I thought the purpose of this thread was to move forward. S. /don
Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal
André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net wrote on 06/06/2011 03:23:30 PM: From: André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/06/2011 03:24 PM Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal Hi, Am 06.06.2011 21:07, schrieb Sophie Gautier: Hi, On 06/06/2011 21:21, Alexandro Colorado wrote: [...] Thinking LO/OOo is a more desktop oriented app, would make sense to have some participation. Too bad this time the outreach was as strong as the first year with Mozilla. No difficult for several of us to attend and be there, will be pleased to meet our friends from the other projects, as usual. Berlin is not that far for me - so even if I would not be visiting the desktop summit, it's quite easy for me to join for an evening (or a weekend). Perhaps we can discuss a meetup with the organiser of the 6th ODF Plug-fest in Berlin, July 14-15[1] regards, André - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org [1]http://tinyurl.com/3h2jjqo
Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal
Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/06/2011 03:54:23 PM: From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/06/2011 03:55 PM Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:49 PM, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/06/2011 03:18:11 PM: From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/06/2011 03:19 PM Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 15:04, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: It's just a meeting between colleagues. If all it does is break a little of the entrenched ice I'd call it a success. Sure beats email for dealing with emotions/trust. Right. And we can also be optimistic that the Incubator will vote the podling in. And optimistic that we'd have something to talk about. Really... nobody is talking about any kind of meetup before mid-July, so there is time. Worst case? Podling doesn't get started, and we just don't meet up. Not a big deal. But to get the ball rolling... yah. Let's try now. In the event it doesn't get started (and I sincerely hope it does) it will be even more important for the OpenOffice.org community-at-large to come together to work out what happens next. So I figure we need these meetings regardless, unless we all want the future devised in closed rooms by corporate politicians... I thought the purpose of this thread was to move forward. S. /don I don't get your point, Don? Are you saying you disagree that community summits are worth holding regardless of the outcome of the Apache activity? Quite the contrary. It's great that we're teaming up on this proposal. Let's all get behind it. Just didn't see the comment about 'unless we all want the future devised in closed rooms by corporate politicians...particularly positive and forward looking Probably a particular brand of humor, but with so many non-native speakers on list it seems backwards-facing. no biggie. S. /don
