Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates and see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate is odd. Agreed. I suggest that this VOTE be withdrawn, and a true election, with all candidates be done. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: ...I suggest that this VOTE be withdrawn, and a true election, with all candidates be done... Agreed - I think Chris assumed there was only one candidate, but it's just an assumption AFAICS. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On Feb 9, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates and see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate is odd. Agreed. I suggest that this VOTE be withdrawn, and a true election, with all candidates be done. What's preventing anyone from calling a VOTE on any other candidate? Of which, as I understand it, there are none. Noel is the existing chair. If this VOTE is *not* successful, then he remains the chair. If it is, successful, then the recommendation is to change him out as the chair. Did I miss something by actually trying to make progress here? Cheers, Chris ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On 02/09/2012 05:54 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Jim Jagielskij...@jagunet.com wrote: ...I suggest that this VOTE be withdrawn, and a true election, with all candidates be done... Agreed - I think Chris assumed there was only one candidate, but it's just an assumption AFAICS. I agree. I already voted for Jukka, under the impression only he now remained candidate. Seeing that not being the case (or properly checked), I'm retracting my preliminary vote for Jukka (for now). Ate -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On Feb 9, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Ate Douma wrote: On 02/09/2012 05:58 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates and see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate is odd. Agreed. I suggest that this VOTE be withdrawn, and a true election, with all candidates be done. What's preventing anyone from calling a VOTE on any other candidate? Of which, as I understand it, there are none. Noel is the existing chair. If this VOTE is *not* successful, then he remains the chair. If it is, successful, then the recommendation is to change him out as the chair. Did I miss something by actually trying to make progress here? For one, how or when would you call this vote successful? The same way we could if there were 2 people on the ballot. Max(votes), with the greater number being the winner, no? There is little difference but implementation mechanism for: a. holding a single VOTE thread with 2 candidates b. holding 2 VOTE threads with a candidate each. And then summing the total votes in either case. Cheers, Chris ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On 9 February 2012 17:11, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Ate Douma wrote: On 02/09/2012 05:58 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates and see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate is odd. Agreed. I suggest that this VOTE be withdrawn, and a true election, with all candidates be done. What's preventing anyone from calling a VOTE on any other candidate? Of which, as I understand it, there are none. Noel is the existing chair. If this VOTE is *not* successful, then he remains the chair. If it is, successful, then the recommendation is to change him out as the chair. Did I miss something by actually trying to make progress here? For one, how or when would you call this vote successful? The same way we could if there were 2 people on the ballot. Max(votes), with the greater number being the winner, no? There is little difference but implementation mechanism for: a. holding a single VOTE thread with 2 candidates b. holding 2 VOTE threads with a candidate each. And then summing the total votes in either case. As long as: - people know that each vote thread is not the only vote thread - the votes are held at the same time so each person can vote for either (or both/neither). Otherwise one or other vote thread may have an unfair advantage. Cheers, Chris ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On 2/9/2012 10:49 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates and see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate is odd. Agreed. I suggest that this VOTE be withdrawn, and a true election, with all candidates be done. Or as we say in the Windows world... ctrl+alt+delete. +1, a public vote is not the issue, /shrug. Listing all remaining candidates (with clear withdrawals from Chris and Benson) is how it must be done. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
I have observations (1) Why is the IPMC different from other PMCs and holding a personnel VOTEs on a public ML? (2) Why is there such a hurry to call a [VOTE] without a prior [DISCUSS]? (3) Why can't Chris start new threads by using New Message rather than a reply to a prior thread with a subject change? Regards, Dave On Feb 9, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Ate Douma wrote: On 02/09/2012 05:58 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates and see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate is odd. Agreed. I suggest that this VOTE be withdrawn, and a true election, with all candidates be done. What's preventing anyone from calling a VOTE on any other candidate? Of which, as I understand it, there are none. Noel is the existing chair. If this VOTE is *not* successful, then he remains the chair. If it is, successful, then the recommendation is to change him out as the chair. Did I miss something by actually trying to make progress here? For one, how or when would you call this vote successful? The same way we could if there were 2 people on the ballot. Max(votes), with the greater number being the winner, no? There is little difference but implementation mechanism for: a. holding a single VOTE thread with 2 candidates b. holding 2 VOTE threads with a candidate each. And then summing the total votes in either case. Cheers, Chris ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On 2/9/2012 11:29 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: (1) Why is the IPMC different from other PMCs and holding a personnel VOTEs on a public ML? Just to clarify this single issue; by rights, adding committers and committee members is a personal issue about those individuals. But choosing a representative for the board is committee business, not business about personal matters. I don't mind which way committees choose to do it, nor whether they are secret ballots. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
