Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 3:31 AM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: ...I have no issue with standing down after 8 years, and Jukka is an excellent and active successor. I was exceedingly pleased to see his message that he had reconsidered... Thanks Noel for the clarification. +1 for Jukka then! -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
+1 regards, Karl On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 3:31 AM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: ...I have no issue with standing down after 8 years, and Jukka is an excellent and active successor. I was exceedingly pleased to see his message that he had reconsidered... Thanks Noel for the clarification. +1 for Jukka then! -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com http://twitter.com/karlpauls http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
I'm ready to vote, but Chris said it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Where is the mail from Noel saying he is no longer standing? Have I missed something? Ross On 9 February 2012 15:39, Ate Douma a...@douma.nu wrote: +1 (binding) Ate On 02/09/2012 04:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zitting. Suffice to say, he was *my first choice* :) In the interest of moving the current discussion matters forward, please VOTE on this recommendation to the board by the IPMC. I'll leave the VOTE open for at least the next 72 hours: [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. [ ] +0 Don't care. [ ] -1 Don't recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position because... Note that only VOTEs from the Incubator PMC members are binding, but all are welcome to voice their opinion and it will be recorded in the final tallies. Finally, just to note, these VOTEs on personnel are normally the only thing in Apache that is discussed in private (human/social issues), but in the interest of openness and transparency that has been demonstrated here during these discussions, I will hold this VOTE on the public list. Thanks! Cheers, Chris P.S. Here's my +1. Thanks buddy. On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I am happy to step out of the way for Jukka. He was clever enough to stay out of the email s*** storm, and that alone, in my mind, renders him most qualified. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Christian Grobmeiergrobme...@gmail.com wrote: I already mentioned that I would have nominated you, and so I am delighted to read your message. It will be very difficult to choose between all these strong candidates. Cheers On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zittingjukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After consideration and some convincing (thanks!), I've decided to throw also my hat into the ring as a candidate to be the next chairman of the IPMC. I believe in that role I could be more effective in focusing more of our collective attention at where I think it would do most good - at the actual podlings we're here to help. That said, the current incubation process clearly has problems and I very much support efforts to improve the way we work (even if the result is to replace the Incubator with something better). However, I'd like to leave the leadership on these efforts to others and, as mentioned elsewhere, rather try to act as a balancing force that helps achieve consensus where possible. Should I be elected, I'd resign as the chairman of the Jackrabbit PMC. In fact I think it's in any case high time for Jackrabbit to be rotating that role. Finally, if elected (and assuming the IPMC still exists), I'd serve for at most two years before calling for a re-election, or possibly much less if I don't find enough free cycles to perform the duty as well as it should. BR, Jukka Zitting ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
Hi Ross, Sorry, I didn't see a mail from Noel, but he's already the chair. If this VOTE isn't successful, then he'll remain the chair. If you want to explicitly call a VOTE for Noel, go ahead, but this is the VOTE I am interested in calling, thanks! Cheers, Chris On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:50 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: I'm ready to vote, but Chris said it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Where is the mail from Noel saying he is no longer standing? Have I missed something? Ross On 9 February 2012 15:39, Ate Douma a...@douma.nu wrote: +1 (binding) Ate On 02/09/2012 04:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zitting. Suffice to say, he was *my first choice* :) In the interest of moving the current discussion matters forward, please VOTE on this recommendation to the board by the IPMC. I'll leave the VOTE open for at least the next 72 hours: [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. [ ] +0 Don't care. [ ] -1 Don't recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position because... Note that only VOTEs from the Incubator PMC members are binding, but all are welcome to voice their opinion and it will be recorded in the final tallies. Finally, just to note, these VOTEs on personnel are normally the only thing in Apache that is discussed in private (human/social issues), but in the interest of openness and transparency that has been demonstrated here during these discussions, I will hold this VOTE on the public list. Thanks! Cheers, Chris P.S. Here's my +1. Thanks buddy. On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I am happy to step out of the way for Jukka. He was clever enough to stay out of the email s*** storm, and that alone, in my mind, renders him most qualified. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Christian Grobmeiergrobme...@gmail.com wrote: I already mentioned that I would have nominated you, and so I am delighted to read your message. It will be very difficult to choose between all these strong candidates. Cheers On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zittingjukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After consideration and some convincing (thanks!), I've decided to throw also my hat into the ring as a candidate to be the next chairman of the IPMC. I believe in that role I could be more effective in focusing more of our collective attention at where I think it would do most good - at the actual podlings we're here to help. That said, the current incubation process clearly has problems and I very much support efforts to improve the way we work (even if the result is to replace the Incubator with something better). However, I'd like to leave the leadership on these efforts to others and, as mentioned elsewhere, rather try to act as a balancing force that helps achieve consensus where possible. Should I be elected, I'd resign as the chairman of the Jackrabbit PMC. In fact I think it's in any case high time for Jackrabbit to be rotating that role. Finally, if elected (and assuming the IPMC still exists), I'd serve for at most two years before calling for a re-election, or possibly much less if I don't find enough free cycles to perform the duty as well as it should. BR, Jukka Zitting ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet
Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On Feb 9, 2012, at 17:10 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Hi Ross, Sorry, I didn't see a mail from Noel, but he's already the chair. If this VOTE isn't successful, then he'll remain the chair. If you want to explicitly call a VOTE for Noel, go ahead, but this is the VOTE I am interested in calling, thanks! Cheers, Chris Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates and see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate is odd. I agree with Ross and Andrus that this is a strange way to hold an election, and I would be in favor of doing this in a different way. Greetings, Marcel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On 9 February 2012 16:32, Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 17:10 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Hi Ross, Sorry, I didn't see a mail from Noel, but he's already the chair. If this VOTE isn't successful, then he'll remain the chair. If you want to explicitly call a VOTE for Noel, go ahead, but this is the VOTE I am interested in calling, thanks! Cheers, Chris Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates and see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate is odd. I agree with Ross and Andrus that this is a strange way to hold an election, and I would be in favor of doing this in a different way. We could hold separate VOTEs for each remaining candidate, and then vote for the best vote thread? (joke) In case it's not obvious, I agree with Ross, Andrus and Marcel - I think the current VOTE thread is invalid and should be cancelled. Greetings, Marcel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On 02/09/2012 08:39 AM, sebb wrote: In case it's not obvious, I agree with Ross, Andrus and Marcel - I think the current VOTE thread is invalid and should be cancelled. I don't see how it is invalid. Chris might have added more choices or invited more discussion first, but he can call a vote. If you prefer that this choice not be made at this time then vote -1 and explain your rationale, no? Doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 9, 2012 7:27 PM, Doug Cutting cutt...@apache.org wrote: On 02/09/2012 08:39 AM, sebb wrote: In case it's not obvious, I agree with Ross, Andrus and Marcel - I think the current VOTE thread is invalid and should be cancelled. I don't see how it is invalid. Chris might have added more choices or invited more discussion first, but he can call a vote. If you prefer that this choice not be made at this time then vote -1 and explain your rationale, no? Agreed. My concern in raising this was more about showing respect to or long serving chair than halting the vote (hence the DISCUSS tag). I want too ensure people can object, Chris' calling of the vote indicated, in error, that there was only one candidate. Ross Doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
Ross Gardler wrote: I'm ready to vote, but Chris said it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Where is the mail from Noel saying he is no longer standing? Have I missed something? There wasn't one. I was traveling when the vote started. No worries. I have no issue with standing down after 8 years, and Jukka is an excellent and active successor. I was exceedingly pleased to see his message that he had reconsidered, was willing to stand as Incubator PMC Chair, and would rotate out of the JackRabbit VP position. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
+1 to Jukka. Many Many Thanks to Noel for guiding us all these years. On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Ross Gardler wrote: I'm ready to vote, but Chris said it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Where is the mail from Noel saying he is no longer standing? Have I missed something? There wasn't one. I was traveling when the vote started. No worries. I have no issue with standing down after 8 years, and Jukka is an excellent and active successor. I was exceedingly pleased to see his message that he had reconsidered, was willing to stand as Incubator PMC Chair, and would rotate out of the JackRabbit VP position. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
+1 to Jukka Zitting! (non-binding) On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Davanum Srinivas dava...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to Jukka. Many Many Thanks to Noel for guiding us all these years. On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Ross Gardler wrote: I'm ready to vote, but Chris said it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Where is the mail from Noel saying he is no longer standing? Have I missed something? There wasn't one. I was traveling when the vote started. No worries. I have no issue with standing down after 8 years, and Jukka is an excellent and active successor. I was exceedingly pleased to see his message that he had reconsidered, was willing to stand as Incubator PMC Chair, and would rotate out of the JackRabbit VP position. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Best Regards, Edward J. Yoon @eddieyoon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
Thank you Noel. Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 10, 2012 2:32 AM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Ross Gardler wrote: I'm ready to vote, but Chris said it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Where is the mail from Noel saying he is no longer standing? Have I missed something? There wasn't one. I was traveling when the vote started. No worries. I have no issue with standing down after 8 years, and Jukka is an excellent and active successor. I was exceedingly pleased to see his message that he had reconsidered, was willing to stand as Incubator PMC Chair, and would rotate out of the JackRabbit VP position. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
