Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-27 Thread Paul King


Only users from the previous list will be added and there was an assumption 
that all code/patches sent to that list would be Apache licensed by default. 
So, not quite the same thing but as long as we warn people and tell them how to 
unsubscribe, I think auto subscribing them would be OK?

Cheers, Paul.

On 27/03/2015 8:21 AM, Andy Seaborne wrote:

Signing up to Apache list means the user is making an explicit act of joining a 
place where code (or pointers to code) sent is granted to Apache.

Implicit subscription muddies the waters for contributions.

 Andy

On 26/03/15 21:55, Ted Dunning wrote:

your loop is a fine solution.  Just test it carefully ahead of time.



On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Konstantin Boudnik c...@apache.org wrote:


I think you can write a script to do a call to
 echo subscribe | mailx -s subscribe dev-subscribe-john=
host.dom...@groovy.incubator.apache.org
via the list of current list subscribers.

Or perhaps open a INFRA ticket and provide them with the list of emails
addresses to be subscribed.

There might be another way that I am unaware about though. Anyone?

Cos

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 09:54PM, Guillaume Laforge wrote:

And how to add in batch the current subscribers of the old list.

2015-03-26 21:29 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau cedric.champ...@gmail.com:


BTW should we already update the links [1] on the website? How should

we

proceed to migrate/deprecate the Codehaus lists?

[1] http://groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html

2015-03-26 20:34 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau cedric.champ...@gmail.com

:



I got them too.
Le 26 mars 2015 19:10, Guillaume Laforge glafo...@gmail.com a

écrit

:


I also got moderation messages


2015-03-26 18:51 GMT+01:00 Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org:


I don't.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Bayer 

andrew.ba...@gmail.com

wrote:

Just making sure - others besides me are getting the subscribe

moderation

emails?

A.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:


On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou 

blackd...@gmx.org



wrote:

...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?


of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are correct.

-Bertrand



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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 12:25 AM, Konstantin Boudnik c...@apache.org wrote:
 ...Are you saying that the act of subscribtion to the dev@ list is implicitely
 similar to ICLA filing?...

That's definitely not the case, that would be terrible.

What starts being similar to iCLA is making actual code contributions.

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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Paul King pa...@asert.com.au wrote:
 ...as long as we warn people and tell them how
 to unsubscribe, I think auto subscribing them would be OK?...

I don't like it too much, maybe at least an advance warning on the
existing Groovy lists that you are about to subscribe them here, with
an opt-out option, would be better?

It's not legal problem, but a community and politeness issue IMO.

-Bertrand

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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-27 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 08:42AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 12:25 AM, Konstantin Boudnik c...@apache.org wrote:
  ...Are you saying that the act of subscribtion to the dev@ list is 
  implicitely
  similar to ICLA filing?...
 
 That's definitely not the case, that would be terrible.

Thank you! That's exactly why I stated the question this way, so we can clear
any misconceptions out.

Cos

 What starts being similar to iCLA is making actual code contributions.
 
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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-27 Thread Andy Seaborne
Great - it's good that was the understanding on the lists anyway and 
notification of the action is a good idea as Bertrand notes; it's also 
highlighting the move (can't assume all the user list subscribers have 
groked that!). A read-only-ish list like commits is not an issue.


Andy

(This it's on the web so I can use it

On 27/03/15 06:25, Paul King wrote:


Only users from the previous list will be added and there was an
assumption that all code/patches sent to that list would be Apache
licensed by default. So, not quite the same thing but as long as we warn
people and tell them how to unsubscribe, I think auto subscribing them
would be OK?

Cheers, Paul.

On 27/03/2015 8:21 AM, Andy Seaborne wrote:

Signing up to Apache list means the user is making an explicit act of
joining a place where code (or pointers to code) sent is granted to
Apache.

Implicit subscription muddies the waters for contributions.

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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-27 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Do we have an option of using our ML infrastructure in such
a way that it sends folks an email asking to confirm their
willingness to be subscribed? This could solve this I think.

Thanks,
Roman.

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote:
 This is obviously a question for the new podling's PPMC and the existing
 Groovy community mailing lists to decide, but in most other situations
 auto-subscribing people to a new list is usually a bad idea.

 I would definitely give people plenty of notice and clear instructions
 on how to unsubscribe before blindly moving subscriber lists from
 anywhere else to an Apache mailing list.  Even better would be some way
 that people could explicitly opt-in to the new list by signing up
 somewhere (i.e. somewhere simpler than the ezmlm send subscribe mail,
 reply to the reply confirmation dance), and not auto-subscribing.

 But that's just my opinion.

 - Shane


 On 3/27/15 2:25 AM, Paul King wrote:

 Only users from the previous list will be added and there was an
 assumption that all code/patches sent to that list would be Apache
 licensed by default. So, not quite the same thing but as long as we warn
 people and tell them how to unsubscribe, I think auto subscribing them
 would be OK?

 Cheers, Paul.

 On 27/03/2015 8:21 AM, Andy Seaborne wrote:
 Signing up to Apache list means the user is making an explicit act of
 joining a place where code (or pointers to code) sent is granted to
 Apache.

 Implicit subscription muddies the waters for contributions.

  Andy

 On 26/03/15 21:55, Ted Dunning wrote:
 your loop is a fine solution.  Just test it carefully ahead of time.



 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Konstantin Boudnik c...@apache.org
 wrote:

 I think you can write a script to do a call to
  echo subscribe | mailx -s subscribe dev-subscribe-john=
 host.dom...@groovy.incubator.apache.org
 via the list of current list subscribers.

 Or perhaps open a INFRA ticket and provide them with the list of emails
 addresses to be subscribed.

 There might be another way that I am unaware about though. Anyone?

 Cos

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 09:54PM, Guillaume Laforge wrote:
 And how to add in batch the current subscribers of the old list.

 2015-03-26 21:29 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau
 cedric.champ...@gmail.com:

 BTW should we already update the links [1] on the website? How should
 we
 proceed to migrate/deprecate the Codehaus lists?

 [1] http://groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html

 2015-03-26 20:34 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau cedric.champ...@gmail.com
 :

 I got them too.
 Le 26 mars 2015 19:10, Guillaume Laforge glafo...@gmail.com a
 écrit
 :

 I also got moderation messages

 2015-03-26 18:51 GMT+01:00 Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org:

 I don't.

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Bayer 
 andrew.ba...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Just making sure - others besides me are getting the subscribe
 moderation
 emails?

 A.

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
 bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou 
 blackd...@gmx.org

 wrote:
 ...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?

 of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are correct.

 -Bertrand


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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-27 Thread Upayavira
“do that” == “subscribe them

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015, at 05:01 PM, Upayavira wrote:
 Not that I’m aware of, but sending a pile of emails isn’t out of this
 world complicated.
 
 If you gave me a list of email addresses of people who had explicitly
 said “subscribe me”, I could do that very easily.
 
 Upayavira
 
 On Fri, Mar 27, 2015, at 04:57 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
  Do we have an option of using our ML infrastructure in such
  a way that it sends folks an email asking to confirm their
  willingness to be subscribed? This could solve this I think.
  
  Thanks,
  Roman.
  
  On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org
  wrote:
   This is obviously a question for the new podling's PPMC and the existing
   Groovy community mailing lists to decide, but in most other situations
   auto-subscribing people to a new list is usually a bad idea.
  
   I would definitely give people plenty of notice and clear instructions
   on how to unsubscribe before blindly moving subscriber lists from
   anywhere else to an Apache mailing list.  Even better would be some way
   that people could explicitly opt-in to the new list by signing up
   somewhere (i.e. somewhere simpler than the ezmlm send subscribe mail,
   reply to the reply confirmation dance), and not auto-subscribing.
  
   But that's just my opinion.
  
   - Shane
  
  
   On 3/27/15 2:25 AM, Paul King wrote:
  
   Only users from the previous list will be added and there was an
   assumption that all code/patches sent to that list would be Apache
   licensed by default. So, not quite the same thing but as long as we warn
   people and tell them how to unsubscribe, I think auto subscribing them
   would be OK?
  
   Cheers, Paul.
  
   On 27/03/2015 8:21 AM, Andy Seaborne wrote:
   Signing up to Apache list means the user is making an explicit act of
   joining a place where code (or pointers to code) sent is granted to
   Apache.
  
   Implicit subscription muddies the waters for contributions.
  
Andy
  
   On 26/03/15 21:55, Ted Dunning wrote:
   your loop is a fine solution.  Just test it carefully ahead of time.
  
  
  
   On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Konstantin Boudnik c...@apache.org
   wrote:
  
   I think you can write a script to do a call to
echo subscribe | mailx -s subscribe dev-subscribe-john=
   host.dom...@groovy.incubator.apache.org
   via the list of current list subscribers.
  
   Or perhaps open a INFRA ticket and provide them with the list of 
   emails
   addresses to be subscribed.
  
   There might be another way that I am unaware about though. Anyone?
  
   Cos
  
   On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 09:54PM, Guillaume Laforge wrote:
   And how to add in batch the current subscribers of the old list.
  
   2015-03-26 21:29 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau
   cedric.champ...@gmail.com:
  
   BTW should we already update the links [1] on the website? How 
   should
   we
   proceed to migrate/deprecate the Codehaus lists?
  
   [1] http://groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html
  
   2015-03-26 20:34 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau 
   cedric.champ...@gmail.com
   :
  
   I got them too.
   Le 26 mars 2015 19:10, Guillaume Laforge glafo...@gmail.com a
   écrit
   :
  
   I also got moderation messages
  
   2015-03-26 18:51 GMT+01:00 Roman Shaposhnik 
   ro...@shaposhnik.org:
  
   I don't.
  
   On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Bayer 
   andrew.ba...@gmail.com
   wrote:
   Just making sure - others besides me are getting the subscribe
   moderation
   emails?
  
   A.
  
   On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
   bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
  
   On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou 
   blackd...@gmx.org
  
   wrote:
   ...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?
  
   of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are correct.
  
   -Bertrand
  
  
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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-27 Thread Upayavira
Not that I’m aware of, but sending a pile of emails isn’t out of this
world complicated.

If you gave me a list of email addresses of people who had explicitly
said “subscribe me”, I could do that very easily.

Upayavira

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015, at 04:57 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
 Do we have an option of using our ML infrastructure in such
 a way that it sends folks an email asking to confirm their
 willingness to be subscribed? This could solve this I think.
 
 Thanks,
 Roman.
 
 On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org
 wrote:
  This is obviously a question for the new podling's PPMC and the existing
  Groovy community mailing lists to decide, but in most other situations
  auto-subscribing people to a new list is usually a bad idea.
 
  I would definitely give people plenty of notice and clear instructions
  on how to unsubscribe before blindly moving subscriber lists from
  anywhere else to an Apache mailing list.  Even better would be some way
  that people could explicitly opt-in to the new list by signing up
  somewhere (i.e. somewhere simpler than the ezmlm send subscribe mail,
  reply to the reply confirmation dance), and not auto-subscribing.
 
  But that's just my opinion.
 
  - Shane
 
 
  On 3/27/15 2:25 AM, Paul King wrote:
 
  Only users from the previous list will be added and there was an
  assumption that all code/patches sent to that list would be Apache
  licensed by default. So, not quite the same thing but as long as we warn
  people and tell them how to unsubscribe, I think auto subscribing them
  would be OK?
 
  Cheers, Paul.
 
  On 27/03/2015 8:21 AM, Andy Seaborne wrote:
  Signing up to Apache list means the user is making an explicit act of
  joining a place where code (or pointers to code) sent is granted to
  Apache.
 
  Implicit subscription muddies the waters for contributions.
 
   Andy
 
  On 26/03/15 21:55, Ted Dunning wrote:
  your loop is a fine solution.  Just test it carefully ahead of time.
 
 
 
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Konstantin Boudnik c...@apache.org
  wrote:
 
  I think you can write a script to do a call to
   echo subscribe | mailx -s subscribe dev-subscribe-john=
  host.dom...@groovy.incubator.apache.org
  via the list of current list subscribers.
 
  Or perhaps open a INFRA ticket and provide them with the list of emails
  addresses to be subscribed.
 
  There might be another way that I am unaware about though. Anyone?
 
  Cos
 
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 09:54PM, Guillaume Laforge wrote:
  And how to add in batch the current subscribers of the old list.
 
  2015-03-26 21:29 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau
  cedric.champ...@gmail.com:
 
  BTW should we already update the links [1] on the website? How should
  we
  proceed to migrate/deprecate the Codehaus lists?
 
  [1] http://groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html
 
  2015-03-26 20:34 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau cedric.champ...@gmail.com
  :
 
  I got them too.
  Le 26 mars 2015 19:10, Guillaume Laforge glafo...@gmail.com a
  écrit
  :
 
  I also got moderation messages
 
  2015-03-26 18:51 GMT+01:00 Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org:
 
  I don't.
 
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Bayer 
  andrew.ba...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  Just making sure - others besides me are getting the subscribe
  moderation
  emails?
 
  A.
 
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
  bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
 
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou 
  blackd...@gmx.org
 
  wrote:
  ...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?
 
  of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are correct.
 
  -Bertrand
 
 
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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-27 Thread Shane Curcuru
This is obviously a question for the new podling's PPMC and the existing
Groovy community mailing lists to decide, but in most other situations
auto-subscribing people to a new list is usually a bad idea.

I would definitely give people plenty of notice and clear instructions
on how to unsubscribe before blindly moving subscriber lists from
anywhere else to an Apache mailing list.  Even better would be some way
that people could explicitly opt-in to the new list by signing up
somewhere (i.e. somewhere simpler than the ezmlm send subscribe mail,
reply to the reply confirmation dance), and not auto-subscribing.

But that's just my opinion.

- Shane


On 3/27/15 2:25 AM, Paul King wrote:
 
 Only users from the previous list will be added and there was an
 assumption that all code/patches sent to that list would be Apache
 licensed by default. So, not quite the same thing but as long as we warn
 people and tell them how to unsubscribe, I think auto subscribing them
 would be OK?
 
 Cheers, Paul.
 
 On 27/03/2015 8:21 AM, Andy Seaborne wrote:
 Signing up to Apache list means the user is making an explicit act of
 joining a place where code (or pointers to code) sent is granted to
 Apache.

 Implicit subscription muddies the waters for contributions.

  Andy

 On 26/03/15 21:55, Ted Dunning wrote:
 your loop is a fine solution.  Just test it carefully ahead of time.



 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Konstantin Boudnik c...@apache.org
 wrote:

 I think you can write a script to do a call to
  echo subscribe | mailx -s subscribe dev-subscribe-john=
 host.dom...@groovy.incubator.apache.org
 via the list of current list subscribers.

 Or perhaps open a INFRA ticket and provide them with the list of emails
 addresses to be subscribed.

 There might be another way that I am unaware about though. Anyone?

 Cos

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 09:54PM, Guillaume Laforge wrote:
 And how to add in batch the current subscribers of the old list.

 2015-03-26 21:29 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau
 cedric.champ...@gmail.com:

 BTW should we already update the links [1] on the website? How should
 we
 proceed to migrate/deprecate the Codehaus lists?

 [1] http://groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html

 2015-03-26 20:34 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau cedric.champ...@gmail.com
 :

 I got them too.
 Le 26 mars 2015 19:10, Guillaume Laforge glafo...@gmail.com a
 écrit
 :

 I also got moderation messages

 2015-03-26 18:51 GMT+01:00 Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org:

 I don't.

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Bayer 
 andrew.ba...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Just making sure - others besides me are getting the subscribe
 moderation
 emails?

 A.

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
 bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou 
 blackd...@gmx.org

 wrote:
 ...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?

 of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are correct.

 -Bertrand


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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-27 Thread Alex Harui
Why do folks think that current list users can’t click on a mailto and hit
send?  That’s all it takes to subscribe.  It will weed out some dead email
addresses and give folks the option to use different email addresses.

Our project had over 800 folks join the dev@ list without auto-subscribing
folks.

-Alex

On 3/27/15, 3:17 AM, Andy Seaborne a...@apache.org wrote:

Great - it's good that was the understanding on the lists anyway and
notification of the action is a good idea as Bertrand notes; it's also
highlighting the move (can't assume all the user list subscribers have
groked that!). A read-only-ish list like commits is not an issue.

   Andy

(This it's on the web so I can use it

On 27/03/15 06:25, Paul King wrote:

 Only users from the previous list will be added and there was an
 assumption that all code/patches sent to that list would be Apache
 licensed by default. So, not quite the same thing but as long as we warn
 people and tell them how to unsubscribe, I think auto subscribing them
 would be OK?

 Cheers, Paul.

 On 27/03/2015 8:21 AM, Andy Seaborne wrote:
 Signing up to Apache list means the user is making an explicit act of
 joining a place where code (or pointers to code) sent is granted to
 Apache.

 Implicit subscription muddies the waters for contributions.

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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-27 Thread Daniel Gruno



On 2015-03-27 20:12, Guillaume Laforge wrote:

As a first step, I'll start with warning our users about that upcoming
change.

Also, I have a question.
So, the address during incubation is: d...@groovy.incubator.apache.org
But when we successfully get out of incubation, there will be an automatic
transfer to: d...@groovy.apache.org
Correct? No need to re-ask everybody to change mailing-lists again?


Correct. In fact, d...@groovy.apache.org is already used internally by 
our system, so the transition should be painless.


With regards,
Daniel.



Guillaume

2015-03-27 18:02 GMT+01:00 Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk:


“do that” == “subscribe them

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015, at 05:01 PM, Upayavira wrote:

Not that I’m aware of, but sending a pile of emails isn’t out of this
world complicated.

If you gave me a list of email addresses of people who had explicitly
said “subscribe me”, I could do that very easily.

Upayavira

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015, at 04:57 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:

Do we have an option of using our ML infrastructure in such
a way that it sends folks an email asking to confirm their
willingness to be subscribed? This could solve this I think.

Thanks,
Roman.

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org
wrote:

This is obviously a question for the new podling's PPMC and the

existing

Groovy community mailing lists to decide, but in most other

situations

auto-subscribing people to a new list is usually a bad idea.

I would definitely give people plenty of notice and clear

instructions

on how to unsubscribe before blindly moving subscriber lists from
anywhere else to an Apache mailing list.  Even better would be some

way

that people could explicitly opt-in to the new list by signing up
somewhere (i.e. somewhere simpler than the ezmlm send subscribe mail,
reply to the reply confirmation dance), and not auto-subscribing.

But that's just my opinion.

- Shane


On 3/27/15 2:25 AM, Paul King wrote:

Only users from the previous list will be added and there was an
assumption that all code/patches sent to that list would be Apache
licensed by default. So, not quite the same thing but as long as we

warn

people and tell them how to unsubscribe, I think auto subscribing

them

would be OK?

Cheers, Paul.

On 27/03/2015 8:21 AM, Andy Seaborne wrote:

Signing up to Apache list means the user is making an explicit act

of

joining a place where code (or pointers to code) sent is granted to
Apache.

Implicit subscription muddies the waters for contributions.

  Andy

On 26/03/15 21:55, Ted Dunning wrote:

your loop is a fine solution.  Just test it carefully ahead of

time.



On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Konstantin Boudnik 

c...@apache.org

wrote:


I think you can write a script to do a call to
  echo subscribe | mailx -s subscribe dev-subscribe-john=
host.dom...@groovy.incubator.apache.org
via the list of current list subscribers.

Or perhaps open a INFRA ticket and provide them with the list of

emails

addresses to be subscribed.

There might be another way that I am unaware about though.

Anyone?

Cos

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 09:54PM, Guillaume Laforge wrote:

And how to add in batch the current subscribers of the old list.

2015-03-26 21:29 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau
cedric.champ...@gmail.com:


BTW should we already update the links [1] on the website? How

should

we

proceed to migrate/deprecate the Codehaus lists?

[1] http://groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html

2015-03-26 20:34 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau 

cedric.champ...@gmail.com

:

I got them too.
Le 26 mars 2015 19:10, Guillaume Laforge 

glafo...@gmail.com a

écrit

:

I also got moderation messages

2015-03-26 18:51 GMT+01:00 Roman Shaposhnik 

ro...@shaposhnik.org:

I don't.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Bayer 

andrew.ba...@gmail.com

wrote:

Just making sure - others besides me are getting the

subscribe

moderation

emails?

A.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:


On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou 

blackd...@gmx.org

wrote:

...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?

of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are

correct.

-Bertrand



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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-27 Thread Guillaume Laforge
As a first step, I'll start with warning our users about that upcoming
change.

Also, I have a question.
So, the address during incubation is: d...@groovy.incubator.apache.org
But when we successfully get out of incubation, there will be an automatic
transfer to: d...@groovy.apache.org
Correct? No need to re-ask everybody to change mailing-lists again?

Guillaume

2015-03-27 18:02 GMT+01:00 Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk:

 “do that” == “subscribe them

 On Fri, Mar 27, 2015, at 05:01 PM, Upayavira wrote:
  Not that I’m aware of, but sending a pile of emails isn’t out of this
  world complicated.
 
  If you gave me a list of email addresses of people who had explicitly
  said “subscribe me”, I could do that very easily.
 
  Upayavira
 
  On Fri, Mar 27, 2015, at 04:57 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
   Do we have an option of using our ML infrastructure in such
   a way that it sends folks an email asking to confirm their
   willingness to be subscribed? This could solve this I think.
  
   Thanks,
   Roman.
  
   On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org
   wrote:
This is obviously a question for the new podling's PPMC and the
 existing
Groovy community mailing lists to decide, but in most other
 situations
auto-subscribing people to a new list is usually a bad idea.
   
I would definitely give people plenty of notice and clear
 instructions
on how to unsubscribe before blindly moving subscriber lists from
anywhere else to an Apache mailing list.  Even better would be some
 way
that people could explicitly opt-in to the new list by signing up
somewhere (i.e. somewhere simpler than the ezmlm send subscribe mail,
reply to the reply confirmation dance), and not auto-subscribing.
   
But that's just my opinion.
   
- Shane
   
   
On 3/27/15 2:25 AM, Paul King wrote:
   
Only users from the previous list will be added and there was an
assumption that all code/patches sent to that list would be Apache
licensed by default. So, not quite the same thing but as long as we
 warn
people and tell them how to unsubscribe, I think auto subscribing
 them
would be OK?
   
Cheers, Paul.
   
On 27/03/2015 8:21 AM, Andy Seaborne wrote:
Signing up to Apache list means the user is making an explicit act
 of
joining a place where code (or pointers to code) sent is granted to
Apache.
   
Implicit subscription muddies the waters for contributions.
   
 Andy
   
On 26/03/15 21:55, Ted Dunning wrote:
your loop is a fine solution.  Just test it carefully ahead of
 time.
   
   
   
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Konstantin Boudnik 
 c...@apache.org
wrote:
   
I think you can write a script to do a call to
 echo subscribe | mailx -s subscribe dev-subscribe-john=
host.dom...@groovy.incubator.apache.org
via the list of current list subscribers.
   
Or perhaps open a INFRA ticket and provide them with the list of
 emails
addresses to be subscribed.
   
There might be another way that I am unaware about though.
 Anyone?
   
Cos
   
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 09:54PM, Guillaume Laforge wrote:
And how to add in batch the current subscribers of the old list.
   
2015-03-26 21:29 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau
cedric.champ...@gmail.com:
   
BTW should we already update the links [1] on the website? How
 should
we
proceed to migrate/deprecate the Codehaus lists?
   
[1] http://groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html
   
2015-03-26 20:34 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau 
 cedric.champ...@gmail.com
:
   
I got them too.
Le 26 mars 2015 19:10, Guillaume Laforge 
 glafo...@gmail.com a
écrit
:
   
I also got moderation messages
   
2015-03-26 18:51 GMT+01:00 Roman Shaposhnik 
 ro...@shaposhnik.org:
   
I don't.
   
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Bayer 
andrew.ba...@gmail.com
wrote:
Just making sure - others besides me are getting the
 subscribe
moderation
emails?
   
A.
   
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
   
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou 
blackd...@gmx.org
   
wrote:
...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?
   
of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are
 correct.
   
-Bertrand
   
   
   
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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org wrote:
 ...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?

of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are correct.

-Bertrand

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[GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi,

See https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9339 - to subscribe
use listname-subscribe@groovy.a.o, and let's continue the groovy
podling discussions on that dev list.

-Bertrand

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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-26 Thread Jochen Theodorou

Am 26.03.2015 18:16, schrieb Bertrand Delacretaz:

Hi,

See https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9339 - to subscribe
use listname-subscribe@groovy.a.o, and let's continue the groovy
podling discussions on that dev list.


not listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?


bye blackdrag


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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-26 Thread Andrew Bayer
Just making sure - others besides me are getting the subscribe moderation
emails?

A.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org
 wrote:
  ...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?

 of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are correct.

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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-26 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
I don't.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Bayer andrew.ba...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just making sure - others besides me are getting the subscribe moderation
 emails?

 A.

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
 bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org
 wrote:
  ...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?

 of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are correct.

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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-26 Thread Cédric Champeau
BTW should we already update the links [1] on the website? How should we
proceed to migrate/deprecate the Codehaus lists?

[1] http://groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html

2015-03-26 20:34 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau cedric.champ...@gmail.com:

 I got them too.
 Le 26 mars 2015 19:10, Guillaume Laforge glafo...@gmail.com a écrit :

 I also got moderation messages

 2015-03-26 18:51 GMT+01:00 Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org:

  I don't.
 
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Bayer andrew.ba...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   Just making sure - others besides me are getting the subscribe
 moderation
   emails?
  
   A.
  
   On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
   bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
  
   On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org
 
   wrote:
...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?
  
   of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are correct.
  
   -Bertrand
  
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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-26 Thread Andrew Bayer
Ok, I'll approve 'em.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org
wrote:

 I don't.

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Bayer andrew.ba...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Just making sure - others besides me are getting the subscribe moderation
  emails?
 
  A.
 
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
  bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
 
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org
  wrote:
   ...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?
 
  of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are correct.
 
  -Bertrand
 
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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-26 Thread Guillaume Laforge
I also got moderation messages

2015-03-26 18:51 GMT+01:00 Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org:

 I don't.

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Bayer andrew.ba...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Just making sure - others besides me are getting the subscribe moderation
  emails?
 
  A.
 
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
  bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
 
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org
  wrote:
   ...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?
 
  of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are correct.
 
  -Bertrand
 
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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-26 Thread Cédric Champeau
I got them too.
Le 26 mars 2015 19:10, Guillaume Laforge glafo...@gmail.com a écrit :

 I also got moderation messages

 2015-03-26 18:51 GMT+01:00 Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org:

  I don't.
 
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Bayer andrew.ba...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   Just making sure - others besides me are getting the subscribe
 moderation
   emails?
  
   A.
  
   On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
   bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
  
   On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org
   wrote:
...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?
  
   of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are correct.
  
   -Bertrand
  
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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-26 Thread Filip Hanik
On Thursday, March 26, 2015, Konstantin Boudnik c...@apache.org wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:21PM, Andy Seaborne wrote:
  Signing up to Apache list means the user is making an explicit act
  of joining a place where code (or pointers to code) sent is granted
  to Apache.
 
  Implicit subscription muddies the waters for contributions.

 Are you saying that the act of subscribtion to the dev@ list is
 implicitely
 similar to ICLA filing?


IINAL, I would not state that is the case.


  On 26/03/15 21:55, Ted Dunning wrote:
  your loop is a fine solution.  Just test it carefully ahead of time.
  
  
  
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Konstantin Boudnik c...@apache.org
 javascript:; wrote:
  
  I think you can write a script to do a call to
   echo subscribe | mailx -s subscribe dev-subscribe-john=
  host.dom...@groovy.incubator.apache.org javascript:;
  via the list of current list subscribers.
  
  Or perhaps open a INFRA ticket and provide them with the list of emails
  addresses to be subscribed.
  
  There might be another way that I am unaware about though. Anyone?
  
  Cos
  
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 09:54PM, Guillaume Laforge wrote:
  And how to add in batch the current subscribers of the old list.
  
  2015-03-26 21:29 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau cedric.champ...@gmail.com
 javascript:;:
  
  BTW should we already update the links [1] on the website? How should
  we
  proceed to migrate/deprecate the Codehaus lists?
  
  [1] http://groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html
  
  2015-03-26 20:34 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau 
 cedric.champ...@gmail.com javascript:;
  :
  
  I got them too.
  Le 26 mars 2015 19:10, Guillaume Laforge glafo...@gmail.com
 javascript:; a
  écrit
  :
  
  I also got moderation messages
  
  2015-03-26 18:51 GMT+01:00 Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org
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  I don't.
  
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Bayer 
  andrew.ba...@gmail.com javascript:;
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  Just making sure - others besides me are getting the subscribe
  moderation
  emails?
  
  A.
  
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
  bdelacre...@apache.org javascript:; wrote:
  
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou 
  blackd...@gmx.org javascript:;
  
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  of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are correct.
  
  -Bertrand
  
  
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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-26 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
I think you can write a script to do a call to  
echo subscribe | mailx -s subscribe 
dev-subscribe-john=host.dom...@groovy.incubator.apache.org
via the list of current list subscribers.

Or perhaps open a INFRA ticket and provide them with the list of emails
addresses to be subscribed. 

There might be another way that I am unaware about though. Anyone?

Cos

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 09:54PM, Guillaume Laforge wrote:
 And how to add in batch the current subscribers of the old list.
 
 2015-03-26 21:29 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau cedric.champ...@gmail.com:
 
  BTW should we already update the links [1] on the website? How should we
  proceed to migrate/deprecate the Codehaus lists?
 
  [1] http://groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html
 
  2015-03-26 20:34 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau cedric.champ...@gmail.com:
 
   I got them too.
   Le 26 mars 2015 19:10, Guillaume Laforge glafo...@gmail.com a écrit
  :
  
   I also got moderation messages
  
   2015-03-26 18:51 GMT+01:00 Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org:
  
I don't.
   
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Bayer 
  andrew.ba...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Just making sure - others besides me are getting the subscribe
   moderation
 emails?

 A.

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
 bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou 
  blackd...@gmx.org
   
 wrote:
  ...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?

 of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are correct.

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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-26 Thread Ted Dunning
your loop is a fine solution.  Just test it carefully ahead of time.



On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Konstantin Boudnik c...@apache.org wrote:

 I think you can write a script to do a call to
 echo subscribe | mailx -s subscribe dev-subscribe-john=
 host.dom...@groovy.incubator.apache.org
 via the list of current list subscribers.

 Or perhaps open a INFRA ticket and provide them with the list of emails
 addresses to be subscribed.

 There might be another way that I am unaware about though. Anyone?

 Cos

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 09:54PM, Guillaume Laforge wrote:
  And how to add in batch the current subscribers of the old list.
 
  2015-03-26 21:29 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau cedric.champ...@gmail.com:
 
   BTW should we already update the links [1] on the website? How should
 we
   proceed to migrate/deprecate the Codehaus lists?
  
   [1] http://groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html
  
   2015-03-26 20:34 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau cedric.champ...@gmail.com
 :
  
I got them too.
Le 26 mars 2015 19:10, Guillaume Laforge glafo...@gmail.com a
 écrit
   :
   
I also got moderation messages
   
2015-03-26 18:51 GMT+01:00 Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org:
   
 I don't.

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Bayer 
   andrew.ba...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Just making sure - others besides me are getting the subscribe
moderation
  emails?
 
  A.
 
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
  bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
 
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou 
   blackd...@gmx.org

  wrote:
   ...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?
 
  of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are correct.
 
  -Bertrand
 
 
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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-26 Thread Guillaume Laforge
And how to add in batch the current subscribers of the old list.

2015-03-26 21:29 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau cedric.champ...@gmail.com:

 BTW should we already update the links [1] on the website? How should we
 proceed to migrate/deprecate the Codehaus lists?

 [1] http://groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html

 2015-03-26 20:34 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau cedric.champ...@gmail.com:

  I got them too.
  Le 26 mars 2015 19:10, Guillaume Laforge glafo...@gmail.com a écrit
 :
 
  I also got moderation messages
 
  2015-03-26 18:51 GMT+01:00 Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org:
 
   I don't.
  
   On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Bayer 
 andrew.ba...@gmail.com
   wrote:
Just making sure - others besides me are getting the subscribe
  moderation
emails?
   
A.
   
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
   
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou 
 blackd...@gmx.org
  
wrote:
 ...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?
   
of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are correct.
   
-Bertrand
   
   
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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-26 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
Haven't seen any yet.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:47AM, Andrew Bayer wrote:
 Just making sure - others besides me are getting the subscribe moderation
 emails?
 
 A.
 
 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
 bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
 
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org
  wrote:
   ...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?
 
  of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are correct.
 
  -Bertrand
 
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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-26 Thread Andy Seaborne
Signing up to Apache list means the user is making an explicit act of 
joining a place where code (or pointers to code) sent is granted to Apache.


Implicit subscription muddies the waters for contributions.

Andy

On 26/03/15 21:55, Ted Dunning wrote:

your loop is a fine solution.  Just test it carefully ahead of time.



On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Konstantin Boudnik c...@apache.org wrote:


I think you can write a script to do a call to
 echo subscribe | mailx -s subscribe dev-subscribe-john=
host.dom...@groovy.incubator.apache.org
via the list of current list subscribers.

Or perhaps open a INFRA ticket and provide them with the list of emails
addresses to be subscribed.

There might be another way that I am unaware about though. Anyone?

Cos

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 09:54PM, Guillaume Laforge wrote:

And how to add in batch the current subscribers of the old list.

2015-03-26 21:29 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau cedric.champ...@gmail.com:


BTW should we already update the links [1] on the website? How should

we

proceed to migrate/deprecate the Codehaus lists?

[1] http://groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html

2015-03-26 20:34 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau cedric.champ...@gmail.com

:



I got them too.
Le 26 mars 2015 19:10, Guillaume Laforge glafo...@gmail.com a

écrit

:


I also got moderation messages


2015-03-26 18:51 GMT+01:00 Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org:


I don't.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Bayer 

andrew.ba...@gmail.com

wrote:

Just making sure - others besides me are getting the subscribe

moderation

emails?

A.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:


On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou 

blackd...@gmx.org



wrote:

...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?


of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are correct.

-Bertrand



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Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-26 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:21PM, Andy Seaborne wrote:
 Signing up to Apache list means the user is making an explicit act
 of joining a place where code (or pointers to code) sent is granted
 to Apache.
 
 Implicit subscription muddies the waters for contributions.

Are you saying that the act of subscribtion to the dev@ list is implicitely
similar to ICLA filing?

 On 26/03/15 21:55, Ted Dunning wrote:
 your loop is a fine solution.  Just test it carefully ahead of time.
 
 
 
 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Konstantin Boudnik c...@apache.org wrote:
 
 I think you can write a script to do a call to
  echo subscribe | mailx -s subscribe dev-subscribe-john=
 host.dom...@groovy.incubator.apache.org
 via the list of current list subscribers.
 
 Or perhaps open a INFRA ticket and provide them with the list of emails
 addresses to be subscribed.
 
 There might be another way that I am unaware about though. Anyone?
 
 Cos
 
 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 09:54PM, Guillaume Laforge wrote:
 And how to add in batch the current subscribers of the old list.
 
 2015-03-26 21:29 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau cedric.champ...@gmail.com:
 
 BTW should we already update the links [1] on the website? How should
 we
 proceed to migrate/deprecate the Codehaus lists?
 
 [1] http://groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html
 
 2015-03-26 20:34 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau cedric.champ...@gmail.com
 :
 
 I got them too.
 Le 26 mars 2015 19:10, Guillaume Laforge glafo...@gmail.com a
 écrit
 :
 
 I also got moderation messages
 
 2015-03-26 18:51 GMT+01:00 Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org:
 
 I don't.
 
 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Bayer 
 andrew.ba...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Just making sure - others besides me are getting the subscribe
 moderation
 emails?
 
 A.
 
 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
 bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
 
 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou 
 blackd...@gmx.org
 
 wrote:
 ...listname-subscribe@groovy.incubator.a.o ?
 
 of course yes, sorry - the names on INFRA-9339 are correct.
 
 -Bertrand
 
 
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