Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache Teaclave (incubating) v0.5.1-rc.2
Hi Craig, Thanks for your detailed explanations. I will be woring towards the improvement you suggested in the next releases. Sincerely, He On 2023/06/01 04:57:57 Craig Russell wrote: > Hi He, > > I'd just like to emphasize that the mission of Apache is to create software, > which implies that creating releases is a primary goal. That's why we spend > so much effort on getting it right. A release is an act of the Foundation, > which is only possible if the PMC members vote on releases. (In the > incubator, only IPMC votes are binding) Votes need to be based on review of > release contents. > > From your closing [RESULT][VOTE] message people might get the incorrect > understanding that only three people voted. > > A few things that might improve your process in light of the importance of > reviewing and voting: > > 1. When you call for a vote on the dev list, everyone who votes should tell > what they checked. I'd suggest adding a checklist as part of the vote email > for people to tell exactly what they reviewed. You can find many examples on > the general list. > > 2. Once voting is done on the dev list, and there are no show-stopper issues, > you can summarize the voting. Many times, your mentors and PPMC members who > are also IPMC members will vote +1 and you might have three or more binding > +1 votes to be done. > > 3. If you still need more binding votes, you can explicitly ask your mentors > to vote before closing the vote on the dev list. > > 4 .Once voting concludes on the dev list, you can summarize the vote on the > general incubator list and tell whether you have enough binding votes. > > 5. Once you have at least three +1 binding votes (from IPMC members) you > should close the vote. As long as the release artifacts have not changed > since the dev list vote, your should include votes from the dev list voting > as well as the general list vote. In this case, it looks like the vote tally > would be: > > Binding +1 votes: > - Gordon > - Felix Cheung > - Wenli Zhang > > Non-binding +1 votes: > Pei Wang > Yuan Zhuang > Shaojun Wang > > No other votes. > > 6. I hope this will help everyone to understand that there was a vote on the > dev list and then another vote on the general list which resulted in a > successful vote to release. > > Congratulations, > Craig > > > On May 31, 2023, at 18:57, He Sun wrote: > > > > Hi Craig, > > > > It is an honor to receive your comments about Teaclave. I did not quit get > > you though. I would appreciate it if you could explain more about your > > concerns while other projects also have the same conditions you descirbed > > above. > > > > According to my understanding about the Apache way, partly from > > https://incubator.apache.org/policy/incubation.html, the PPMC members and > > committers have to vote on Podling dev list. In our case, the vote thread > > is https://lists.apache.org/thread/nqzllmgqcozj5twg61wl085v3xo93pz2. Most > > of the commiters have subscribed the dev list and I will also remind them > > after a vote is started in different ways. > > > > I am not one of the other committers, so I do not know why they do not vote > > again on incubator general list. Maybe some of them do not even subscribe > > the mail list. > > > > Best, > > He > > > > On 2023/05/31 13:10:58 Craig Russell wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I'm a bit concerned that there are 19 PPMC members and six additional > >> committers and none of them voted on the release. > >> > >> Voting on releases should be a regular exercise for all developers. Is > >> there some reason that only mentors voted? > >> > >> Regards, > >> Craig > >> > >>> On May 30, 2023, at 20:20, He Sun wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello everyone, > >>> > >>> The vote has passed with 3 binding +1 votes. The vote PASSED with 3 > >>> binding +1, 0 non-binding +1 and 0 -1 votes. > >>> > >>> Binding +1 votes: > >>> - Gordon > >>> - Felix Cheung > >>> - Wenli Zhang > >>> > >>> Vote thread: > >>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/5h8zd2chnj6bo262wx1sg6df0z1rsrgc > >>> > >>> Thank you everyone for your feedback and help with this Teaclave release. > >>> I will be working on publishing the artifacts of Apache Teaclave > >>> (incubating) v0.5.1. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> He > >>> > >>> - > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>> > >> > >> Craig L Russell > >> c...@apache.org > >> > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > >> > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail:
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache Teaclave (incubating) v0.5.1-rc.2
Hi He, I'd just like to emphasize that the mission of Apache is to create software, which implies that creating releases is a primary goal. That's why we spend so much effort on getting it right. A release is an act of the Foundation, which is only possible if the PMC members vote on releases. (In the incubator, only IPMC votes are binding) Votes need to be based on review of release contents. From your closing [RESULT][VOTE] message people might get the incorrect understanding that only three people voted. A few things that might improve your process in light of the importance of reviewing and voting: 1. When you call for a vote on the dev list, everyone who votes should tell what they checked. I'd suggest adding a checklist as part of the vote email for people to tell exactly what they reviewed. You can find many examples on the general list. 2. Once voting is done on the dev list, and there are no show-stopper issues, you can summarize the voting. Many times, your mentors and PPMC members who are also IPMC members will vote +1 and you might have three or more binding +1 votes to be done. 3. If you still need more binding votes, you can explicitly ask your mentors to vote before closing the vote on the dev list. 4 .Once voting concludes on the dev list, you can summarize the vote on the general incubator list and tell whether you have enough binding votes. 5. Once you have at least three +1 binding votes (from IPMC members) you should close the vote. As long as the release artifacts have not changed since the dev list vote, your should include votes from the dev list voting as well as the general list vote. In this case, it looks like the vote tally would be: Binding +1 votes: - Gordon - Felix Cheung - Wenli Zhang Non-binding +1 votes: Pei Wang Yuan Zhuang Shaojun Wang No other votes. 6. I hope this will help everyone to understand that there was a vote on the dev list and then another vote on the general list which resulted in a successful vote to release. Congratulations, Craig > On May 31, 2023, at 18:57, He Sun wrote: > > Hi Craig, > > It is an honor to receive your comments about Teaclave. I did not quit get > you though. I would appreciate it if you could explain more about your > concerns while other projects also have the same conditions you descirbed > above. > > According to my understanding about the Apache way, partly from > https://incubator.apache.org/policy/incubation.html, the PPMC members and > committers have to vote on Podling dev list. In our case, the vote thread is > https://lists.apache.org/thread/nqzllmgqcozj5twg61wl085v3xo93pz2. Most of the > commiters have subscribed the dev list and I will also remind them after a > vote is started in different ways. > > I am not one of the other committers, so I do not know why they do not vote > again on incubator general list. Maybe some of them do not even subscribe the > mail list. > > Best, > He > > On 2023/05/31 13:10:58 Craig Russell wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm a bit concerned that there are 19 PPMC members and six additional >> committers and none of them voted on the release. >> >> Voting on releases should be a regular exercise for all developers. Is there >> some reason that only mentors voted? >> >> Regards, >> Craig >> >>> On May 30, 2023, at 20:20, He Sun wrote: >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> The vote has passed with 3 binding +1 votes. The vote PASSED with 3 binding >>> +1, 0 non-binding +1 and 0 -1 votes. >>> >>> Binding +1 votes: >>> - Gordon >>> - Felix Cheung >>> - Wenli Zhang >>> >>> Vote thread: >>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/5h8zd2chnj6bo262wx1sg6df0z1rsrgc >>> >>> Thank you everyone for your feedback and help with this Teaclave release. I >>> will be working on publishing the artifacts of Apache Teaclave (incubating) >>> v0.5.1. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> He >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >> >> Craig L Russell >> c...@apache.org >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > Craig L Russell c...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache Teaclave (incubating) v0.5.1-rc.2
Hi Yu, Very nice to have your explanations. I will tell the committers to add what they check during voting. Regards, He On 2023/06/01 03:22:38 Yu Xiao wrote: > Dear He Sun, > > It is very useful for PPMC and dev to check of the vote thread[1], > rather than simply +1 (for incaubating project). > > There may be the following reasons: > > 1. there may be many processes not match the apache release (e.g. > license and notice file). > 2. more than 1 release manager if needed to graduate from apache incubator. > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/nqzllmgqcozj5twg61wl085v3xo93pz2 > > Best wishes! > > Yu Xiao > ASF Member > > He Sun 于2023年6月1日周四 09:58写道： > > > > Hi Craig, > > > > It is an honor to receive your comments about Teaclave. I did not quit get > > you though. I would appreciate it if you could explain more about your > > concerns while other projects also have the same conditions you descirbed > > above. > > > > According to my understanding about the Apache way, partly from > > https://incubator.apache.org/policy/incubation.html, the PPMC members and > > committers have to vote on Podling dev list. In our case, the vote thread > > is https://lists.apache.org/thread/nqzllmgqcozj5twg61wl085v3xo93pz2. Most > > of the commiters have subscribed the dev list and I will also remind them > > after a vote is started in different ways. > > > > I am not one of the other committers, so I do not know why they do not vote > > again on incubator general list. Maybe some of them do not even subscribe > > the mail list. > > > > Best, > > He > > > > On 2023/05/31 13:10:58 Craig Russell wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm a bit concerned that there are 19 PPMC members and six additional > > > committers and none of them voted on the release. > > > > > > Voting on releases should be a regular exercise for all developers. Is > > > there some reason that only mentors voted? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Craig > > > > > > > On May 30, 2023, at 20:20, He Sun wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > The vote has passed with 3 binding +1 votes. The vote PASSED with 3 > > > > binding +1, 0 non-binding +1 and 0 -1 votes. > > > > > > > > Binding +1 votes: > > > > - Gordon > > > > - Felix Cheung > > > > - Wenli Zhang > > > > > > > > Vote thread: > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/5h8zd2chnj6bo262wx1sg6df0z1rsrgc > > > > > > > > Thank you everyone for your feedback and help with this Teaclave > > > > release. I will be working on publishing the artifacts of Apache > > > > Teaclave (incubating) v0.5.1. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > He > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > Craig L Russell > > > c...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache Teaclave (incubating) v0.5.1-rc.2
Dear He Sun, It is very useful for PPMC and dev to check of the vote thread[1], rather than simply +1 (for incaubating project). There may be the following reasons: 1. there may be many processes not match the apache release (e.g. license and notice file). 2. more than 1 release manager if needed to graduate from apache incubator. [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/nqzllmgqcozj5twg61wl085v3xo93pz2 Best wishes! Yu Xiao ASF Member He Sun 于2023年6月1日周四 09:58写道： > > Hi Craig, > > It is an honor to receive your comments about Teaclave. I did not quit get > you though. I would appreciate it if you could explain more about your > concerns while other projects also have the same conditions you descirbed > above. > > According to my understanding about the Apache way, partly from > https://incubator.apache.org/policy/incubation.html, the PPMC members and > committers have to vote on Podling dev list. In our case, the vote thread is > https://lists.apache.org/thread/nqzllmgqcozj5twg61wl085v3xo93pz2. Most of the > commiters have subscribed the dev list and I will also remind them after a > vote is started in different ways. > > I am not one of the other committers, so I do not know why they do not vote > again on incubator general list. Maybe some of them do not even subscribe the > mail list. > > Best, > He > > On 2023/05/31 13:10:58 Craig Russell wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm a bit concerned that there are 19 PPMC members and six additional > > committers and none of them voted on the release. > > > > Voting on releases should be a regular exercise for all developers. Is > > there some reason that only mentors voted? > > > > Regards, > > Craig > > > > > On May 30, 2023, at 20:20, He Sun wrote: > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > The vote has passed with 3 binding +1 votes. The vote PASSED with 3 > > > binding +1, 0 non-binding +1 and 0 -1 votes. > > > > > > Binding +1 votes: > > > - Gordon > > > - Felix Cheung > > > - Wenli Zhang > > > > > > Vote thread: > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/5h8zd2chnj6bo262wx1sg6df0z1rsrgc > > > > > > Thank you everyone for your feedback and help with this Teaclave release. > > > I will be working on publishing the artifacts of Apache Teaclave > > > (incubating) v0.5.1. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > He > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > Craig L Russell > > c...@apache.org > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache Teaclave (incubating) v0.5.1-rc.2
Hi Craig, It is an honor to receive your comments about Teaclave. I did not quit get you though. I would appreciate it if you could explain more about your concerns while other projects also have the same conditions you descirbed above. According to my understanding about the Apache way, partly from https://incubator.apache.org/policy/incubation.html, the PPMC members and committers have to vote on Podling dev list. In our case, the vote thread is https://lists.apache.org/thread/nqzllmgqcozj5twg61wl085v3xo93pz2. Most of the commiters have subscribed the dev list and I will also remind them after a vote is started in different ways. I am not one of the other committers, so I do not know why they do not vote again on incubator general list. Maybe some of them do not even subscribe the mail list. Best, He On 2023/05/31 13:10:58 Craig Russell wrote: > Hi, > > I'm a bit concerned that there are 19 PPMC members and six additional > committers and none of them voted on the release. > > Voting on releases should be a regular exercise for all developers. Is there > some reason that only mentors voted? > > Regards, > Craig > > > On May 30, 2023, at 20:20, He Sun wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > The vote has passed with 3 binding +1 votes. The vote PASSED with 3 binding > > +1, 0 non-binding +1 and 0 -1 votes. > > > > Binding +1 votes: > > - Gordon > > - Felix Cheung > > - Wenli Zhang > > > > Vote thread: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/5h8zd2chnj6bo262wx1sg6df0z1rsrgc > > > > Thank you everyone for your feedback and help with this Teaclave release. I > > will be working on publishing the artifacts of Apache Teaclave (incubating) > > v0.5.1. > > > > Thanks, > > He > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > Craig L Russell > c...@apache.org > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache Teaclave (incubating) v0.5.1-rc.2
Hi, I'm a bit concerned that there are 19 PPMC members and six additional committers and none of them voted on the release. Voting on releases should be a regular exercise for all developers. Is there some reason that only mentors voted? Regards, Craig > On May 30, 2023, at 20:20, He Sun wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > The vote has passed with 3 binding +1 votes. The vote PASSED with 3 binding > +1, 0 non-binding +1 and 0 -1 votes. > > Binding +1 votes: > - Gordon > - Felix Cheung > - Wenli Zhang > > Vote thread: https://lists.apache.org/thread/5h8zd2chnj6bo262wx1sg6df0z1rsrgc > > Thank you everyone for your feedback and help with this Teaclave release. I > will be working on publishing the artifacts of Apache Teaclave (incubating) > v0.5.1. > > Thanks, > He > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > Craig L Russell c...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache Teaclave (incubating) v0.5.1-rc.2
Hello everyone, The vote has passed with 3 binding +1 votes. The vote PASSED with 3 binding +1, 0 non-binding +1 and 0 -1 votes. Binding +1 votes: - Gordon - Felix Cheung - Wenli Zhang Vote thread: https://lists.apache.org/thread/5h8zd2chnj6bo262wx1sg6df0z1rsrgc Thank you everyone for your feedback and help with this Teaclave release. I will be working on publishing the artifacts of Apache Teaclave (incubating) v0.5.1. Thanks, He - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
