[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-10-19 Thread David Crossley (JIRA)

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David Crossley commented on INCUBATOR-78:
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Today i added a tool called clutch which addresses some of this need. See 
r705975.

See the notice to the general mailing list:
 Re: new tool clutch assist oversight of all podlings
 http://markmail.org/message/yy6cb2gokk5p2ur7

and the website at http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html

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 Key: INCUBATOR-78
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78
 Project: Incubator
  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz
Assignee: David Crossley

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
 useful to generate the podlings report schedule and the list of projects on 
 the http://incubator.apache.org/ automatically from a master file.

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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-10-13 Thread David Crossley (JIRA)

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David Crossley commented on INCUBATOR-78:
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We can parse the generated table Currently in incubation at 
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ which has most of the information that we 
need.

However, this is still not reliable because we need to know which projects were 
accepted. Often they miss the first two steps: adding their status to that 
table, and adding themselves to the reporting schedule Wiki page: 
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ReportingSchedule

See some more discussion at:
Re: up-to-date list of projects in incubation
http://markmail.org/message/qxemvfbsljdwbflj

If their mentors don't add to the reporting schedule soon after acceptance, 
then another IPMC member needs to jump in to do it.

Then we can parse that wiki ReportingSchedule and correlate with the projects 
index. Less maintenance of source data, and alerts to missing status info pages.

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 Key: INCUBATOR-78
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78
 Project: Incubator
  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
 useful to generate the podlings report schedule and the list of projects on 
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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-15 Thread Noel J. Bergman (JIRA)

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Noel J. Bergman commented on INCUBATOR-78:
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 As a suggestion, each incubating project could have a status file at [...] 
 where PROJECT is the project name.

They already do.  See all of the ${PROJECT}.xml files under 
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/projects



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 Key: INCUBATOR-78
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 Project: Incubator
  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
 useful to generate the podlings report schedule and the list of projects on 
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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-11 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (JIRA)

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Robert Burrell Donkin commented on INCUBATOR-78:


Re: PIG, RAT, Bluesky - the current process doesn't take into account a long 
bootstrap period

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 Key: INCUBATOR-78
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78
 Project: Incubator
  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
 useful to generate the podlings report schedule and the list of projects on 
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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-11 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (JIRA)

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Robert Burrell Donkin commented on INCUBATOR-78:


Re: Mailing lists AIUI we don't maintain meta- data for podlings. So we don't 
know what mailing lists they have. 

It should be possible to scrape mail-archives.a.org and use some heuristics to 
generate a list

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 Key: INCUBATOR-78
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78
 Project: Incubator
  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
 useful to generate the podlings report schedule and the list of projects on 
 the http://incubator.apache.org/ automatically from a master file.

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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-11 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (JIRA)

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Robert Burrell Donkin commented on INCUBATOR-78:


Re: maunal verses automatic reporting schedules. I would be happy with a manual 
list provided that it was:

* on the main website
* easily machine readable

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 Key: INCUBATOR-78
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78
 Project: Incubator
  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
 useful to generate the podlings report schedule and the list of projects on 
 the http://incubator.apache.org/ automatically from a master file.

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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-07 Thread Jukka Zitting (JIRA)

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Jukka Zitting commented on INCUBATOR-78:


+1 to Marvin. AFAIK it's in 
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/trunk/tools/board_reminders/

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 Key: INCUBATOR-78
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78
 Project: Incubator
  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
 useful to generate the podlings report schedule and the list of projects on 
 the http://incubator.apache.org/ automatically from a master file.

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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-07 Thread Craig Russell (JIRA)

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Craig Russell commented on INCUBATOR-78:


If we all agree that http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ReportingSchedule is 
normative, basing the reminders on this page seems to be non-controversial. 

Let's *not* create yet another duplicate place to keep this information.

And I'll repeat my earlier comment that a global reminder sent to each 
podling's dev list that refers to the above page would be fine pending 
implementation of a smarter reminder service.

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 Key: INCUBATOR-78
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  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
 useful to generate the podlings report schedule and the list of projects on 
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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-07 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (JIRA)

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Robert Burrell Donkin commented on INCUBATOR-78:


Posting a reminder to every podling's dev list requires a list of dev lists. 
ATM we don't maindate names so we'd still need to address the meta-data problem.

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 Key: INCUBATOR-78
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78
 Project: Incubator
  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
 useful to generate the podlings report schedule and the list of projects on 
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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-07 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen (JIRA)

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Henning Schmiedehausen commented on INCUBATOR-78:
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I thought every podling has a ppmc list? Aren't they recorded somewhere?


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 Key: INCUBATOR-78
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78
 Project: Incubator
  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
 useful to generate the podlings report schedule and the list of projects on 
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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-07 Thread Craig Russell (JIRA)

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Craig Russell commented on INCUBATOR-78:


Robert Burrell Donkin opined:
 I think using an algorithm to assign podlings to reporting months would be 
 better than manual assignment.

I'm mentoring a few projects and prefer that they all have the same reporting 
schedule, so for me, manual assignment is preferable.



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  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz (JIRA)

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Bertrand Delacretaz commented on INCUBATOR-78:
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 If we all agree that http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ReportingSchedule is 
 normative, basing the reminders on 
 this page seems to be non-controversial.

As recently missed report reminders show, projects are missing (or at least 
were missing) from that page - basing the list of projects on something more 
automated like svn repositories or a master file stored in svn sounds much 
safer and scalable.

That wouldn't prevent creating report schedules by hand, but for the schedule 
to be reliable there needs IMHO to be an automated way of checking it against 
reference info, to make sure there are no phantom projects as is the case now.

From memory, at least Pig, Rat and Bluesky have been forgotten in the 
reporting schedule, without anybody noticing for quite some time.


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  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
 useful to generate the podlings report schedule and the list of projects on 
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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz (JIRA)

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Bertrand Delacretaz commented on INCUBATOR-78:
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As a suggestion, each incubating project could have a status file at 
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/PROJECT/trunk/INCUBATOR-INFO.txt, 
where PROJECT is the project name.

It's easy to verify with a script that this file is present, and putting it in 
the project's trunk makes it visible to and easily maintainable by the project 
community, as opposed to something that's stored away in incubator/trunk.

The info might be something like:

name: Buzzword
description: Buzzword is a framework to create buzzword-compliant webapps in 
Java
incubating-since: 2008-05-21
incubation-status: incubating
mentors: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
reporting-months: May, June, July, October
homepage: http://incubator.apache.org/buzzword
committers-list: http://incubator.apache.org/buzzword/whoweare.html

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 Key: INCUBATOR-78
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78
 Project: Incubator
  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
 useful to generate the podlings report schedule and the list of projects on 
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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-06 Thread Roland Weber (JIRA)

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Roland Weber commented on INCUBATOR-78:
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Projects could use svn:externals to link their status file from a location in 
incubator/trunk into their project tree. Then people who just want to track the 
status files don't have to check out each project trunk individually.

While it would also be possible to use svn:externals in incubator/trunk to link 
to all the status files in the project trunks, that would create yet another 
metadata location.

cheers,
  Roland


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  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz (JIRA)

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Bertrand Delacretaz commented on INCUBATOR-78:
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With your proposal, if the svn:externals are not setup correctly, a project 
might be missing without it being noticed.

The idea with 
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/PROJECT/trunk/INCUBATOR-INFO.txt is 
to use a recursive wget job, for example, which starts at 
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator, visits all subfolders and checks for 
that file. 

In this case, as soon as a project has an svn repository there, the script can 
check its status file and complain if absent or incomplete - this would make it 
impossible for projects to be missed, as is the case now.

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 Key: INCUBATOR-78
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78
 Project: Incubator
  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-06 Thread Sebb (JIRA)

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Sebb commented on INCUBATOR-78:
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Note that some incubator projects don't currently have trunk directories.
This probably needs to be sorted out.

Having the file under trunk means that it will appear in branches and tags, and 
will probably appear in releases as well.
This may or may not be seen as a problem.

Might be worth considering storing the file at the same level as trunk?
This is a bit more awkward to edit (need to check out non-recursively) but is 
easier to find when navigating SVN.

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 Key: INCUBATOR-78
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78
 Project: Incubator
  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-06 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (JIRA)

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Robert Burrell Donkin commented on INCUBATOR-78:


That's why I was wondering about reusing DOAP. We could ask all podlings to 
register DOAP with http//projects.apache.org and then just analyse the RDF 
collected under the Incubator PMC. 

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 Key: INCUBATOR-78
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 Project: Incubator
  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-06 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (JIRA)

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Robert Burrell Donkin commented on INCUBATOR-78:


I think using an algorithm to assign podlings to reporting months would be 
better than manual assignment. 

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 Key: INCUBATOR-78
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78
 Project: Incubator
  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-06 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen (JIRA)

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Henning Schmiedehausen commented on INCUBATOR-78:
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why not re-use marvin? It works fine for the TLPs. 

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 Key: INCUBATOR-78
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  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz (JIRA)

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Bertrand Delacretaz commented on INCUBATOR-78:
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Do you know where the marvin code can be found?

 Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings
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 Key: INCUBATOR-78
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78
 Project: Incubator
  Issue Type: Bug
Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz

 As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
 useful to generate the podlings report schedule and the list of projects on 
 the http://incubator.apache.org/ automatically from a master file.

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