Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components

2010-05-03 Thread David Crossley
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
 Daniel S. Haischt wrote:
 
  ...Btw, in the first place you confused me a bit using the term member
  but pointing to the committers list :)
 
  ASF members are called out here - 
  http://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
  ASF committers are called out here - 
  http://people.apache.org/committers.html
 
 Ah sorry - I usually use Jim's list where members are shown in bold,
 not sure if the other one is updated as often as Jim's (but members
 don't change that often, granted).

The former is an opt-in document.
The latter is the best reference, as it is
regularly automatically updated.

-David

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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components

2010-05-03 Thread David Crossley
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
 Julien Vermillard wrote:
 
  ...I was contacted by a Zeta components contributor,
  I'm no experienced mentor, but I'm ASF member.
  I can help mentoring if needed
 
 Cool - I see your pending request to join the Incubator PMC on
 priv...@incubator.apache.org.
 Noel needs to take care of that, and after that you'll be all set.

Julien, joining the IPMC is just a formality for
ASF members, so no need to wait. Noel will attend
to it in due course.

-David

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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components

2010-05-02 Thread Tobias Schlitt
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Craig,

On 05/02/2010 12:22 AM, Craig L Russell wrote:
 This project seems to have a lot of interest but a lack of mentors.
 
 I'm willing to be a third mentor to help the podling get started,
 assuming that others can carry the bulk of the mentoring responsibility.

good news, thanks! :)

I started a list of volunteered members in the proposal and added
Christian, Julien and you to it.

http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ZetaComponentsProposal#Volunteered_Mentors

Would be cool to get one or two people on board, to relieve some load
from you people.

Cheers,
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components

2010-05-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
 ...I am a little surprised that there are no other helping hands around
 after the incredible feedback of the proposal. But lets see -
 sometimes it takes some more days

If you check the current roster of mentors you'll see that several of
us are serial mentors already busy with several podlings each. So
that doesn't mean that the project is not interesting, that's more a
general lack of available mentors, IMO.

-Bertrand

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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components

2010-05-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Kore Nordmann m...@kore-nordmann.de wrote:
 On 01/05/10 12:11, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
... If you check the current roster of mentors you'll see that several of
 us are serial mentors already busy with several podlings each. So
 that doesn't mean that the project is not interesting, that's more a
 general lack of available mentors, IMO.

 What does that mean for us as a project (zeta)?

 Just wait, until some mentors are available again? Is there anything we can
 do do to help to resolve this situation?...

If you know any ASF members [1], the best might be to contact them and
ask if they'd agree to be your mentors - not all members are
subscribed to this list. And if you don't have enough mentors in say a
week, please ask again here.

-Bertrand

[1] http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html

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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components

2010-05-01 Thread Daniel S. Haischt
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
 On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Kore Nordmann m...@kore-nordmann.de wrote:
 On 01/05/10 12:11, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
... If you check the current roster of mentors you'll see that several of
 us are serial mentors already busy with several podlings each. So
 that doesn't mean that the project is not interesting, that's more a
 general lack of available mentors, IMO.

 What does that mean for us as a project (zeta)?

 Just wait, until some mentors are available again? Is there anything we can
 do do to help to resolve this situation?...

 If you know any ASF members [1], the best might be to contact them and
 ask if they'd agree to be your mentors - not all members are
 subscribed to this list. And if you don't have enough mentors in say a
 week, please ask again here.

 -Bertrand

 [1] http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html


Btw, in the first place you confused me a bit using the term member
but pointing to the committers list :)

ASF members are called out here - http://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
ASF committers are called out here - http://people.apache.org/committers.html

Can every committer become a mentor of a podling? From the roles 
responsibilities document I read this All Mentors must be members of
the Incubator PMC.

Cheers
Daniel

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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components

2010-05-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi,

On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Daniel S. Haischt
daniel.hais...@googlemail.com wrote:
 ...Btw, in the first place you confused me a bit using the term member
 but pointing to the committers list :)

 ASF members are called out here - 
 http://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
 ASF committers are called out here - http://people.apache.org/committers.html

Ah sorry - I usually use Jim's list where members are shown in bold,
not sure if the other one is updated as often as Jim's (but members
don't change that often, granted).


 Can every committer become a mentor of a podling? From the roles 
 responsibilities document I read this All Mentors must be members of
 the Incubator PMC

In general and IMO the Incubator PMC requires at least one member and
one experienced mentor (who can be the same person) for a new podling.

Committers can be Incubator PMC members, but that's not an ideal
situation, IIRC because committers don't have access to some
foundation information - maybe someone can explain more, I don't
remember the details here.

That being said, if you'd like to be a member and you're an
experienced committer, feel free to apply. It can take up to 1-2 weeks
for the Incubator PMC to answer I think, as we usually do a bit of
research on the candidates ASF-wide or other experience.

-Bertrand

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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components

2010-05-01 Thread Julien Vermillard
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
 Hi,

 On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Daniel S. Haischt
 daniel.hais...@googlemail.com wrote:
 ...Btw, in the first place you confused me a bit using the term member
 but pointing to the committers list :)

 ASF members are called out here - 
 http://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
 ASF committers are called out here - 
 http://people.apache.org/committers.html

 Ah sorry - I usually use Jim's list where members are shown in bold,
 not sure if the other one is updated as often as Jim's (but members
 don't change that often, granted).


 Can every committer become a mentor of a podling? From the roles 
 responsibilities document I read this All Mentors must be members of
 the Incubator PMC

 In general and IMO the Incubator PMC requires at least one member and
 one experienced mentor (who can be the same person) for a new podling.

 Committers can be Incubator PMC members, but that's not an ideal
 situation, IIRC because committers don't have access to some
 foundation information - maybe someone can explain more, I don't
 remember the details here.

 That being said, if you'd like to be a member and you're an
 experienced committer, feel free to apply. It can take up to 1-2 weeks
 for the Incubator PMC to answer I think, as we usually do a bit of
 research on the candidates ASF-wide or other experience.

 -Bertrand


I was contacted by a Zeta components contributor,
I'm no experienced mentor, but I'm ASF member.
I can help mentoring if needed.

Julien

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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components

2010-05-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Julien Vermillard jvermill...@gmail.com wrote:
 ...I was contacted by a Zeta components contributor,
 I'm no experienced mentor, but I'm ASF member.
 I can help mentoring if needed

Cool - I see your pending request to join the Incubator PMC on
priv...@incubator.apache.org.
Noel needs to take care of that, and after that you'll be all set.

-Bertrand

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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components

2010-05-01 Thread Tobias Schlitt
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Julien,

On 05/01/2010 02:02 PM, Julien Vermillard wrote:

 I was contacted by a Zeta components contributor,
 I'm no experienced mentor, but I'm ASF member.
 I can help mentoring if needed.

that is fantastic news, thanks a lot! :)

Hope we can push things further now.

Great stuff,
regards,
Toby
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components

2010-05-01 Thread Craig L Russell

This project seems to have a lot of interest but a lack of mentors.

I'm willing to be a third mentor to help the podling get started,  
assuming that others can carry the bulk of the mentoring responsibility.


Craig

P.S. i.e. feel free to add me to the mentor list...

On May 1, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Tobias Schlitt wrote:


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Julien,

On 05/01/2010 02:02 PM, Julien Vermillard wrote:


I was contacted by a Zeta components contributor,
I'm no experienced mentor, but I'm ASF member.
I can help mentoring if needed.


that is fantastic news, thanks a lot! :)

Hope we can push things further now.

Great stuff,
regards,
Toby
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components

2010-04-30 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Hi,

 However, we are still missing mentors to push this proposal forward.
 Could anybody please raise his hand for this position? I can assure you,
 we are really low maintenance. :)

I am willing to help here. Unfortunatly I am not on the IPMC - I have
sent an e-mail for addition, but no response yet.

However, I am PMC and Dev on the Log4PHP project and would like to
learn more about Zeta. I am also looking for the chance to stick with
the project even after mentoring phase.

Best regards,
Christian

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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components

2010-04-30 Thread Tobias Schlitt
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Hi Christian,

On 04/30/2010 05:12 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:

 However, we are still missing mentors to push this proposal forward.
 Could anybody please raise his hand for this position? I can assure you,
 we are really low maintenance. :)
 
 I am willing to help here. Unfortunatly I am not on the IPMC - I have
 sent an e-mail for addition, but no response yet.
 
 However, I am PMC and Dev on the Log4PHP project and would like to
 learn more about Zeta. I am also looking for the chance to stick with
 the project even after mentoring phase.


thanks. It's good to see at least somebody stepping up. :)

However, I think we need an ASF member as the primary mentor. Are you a
member, yet?

Regards,
Toby
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components

2010-04-30 Thread Christian Grobmeier
 thanks. It's good to see at least somebody stepping up. :)

hopefully there are some more! :-)


 However, I think we need an ASF member as the primary mentor. Are you a
 member, yet?

Only one mentor needs to be an ASF member:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html#mentors-ipmc
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Mentor

Unfortunately I am not a member and cannot fulfill this restriction.

I am a little surprised that there are no other helping hands around
after the incredible feedback of the proposal. But lets see -
sometimes it takes some more days.

Regards,
Christian


 Regards,
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components

2010-04-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Tobias Schlitt tob...@schlitt.info wrote:
 ...Find the current state here:

        http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ZetaComponentsProposal

 ...In addition, I want to kindly ask the IPMC to sponsor our project.

AFAIK we don't need a formal vote on the sponsoring bit, just mention
Apache Incubator PMC as the sponsoring entity in the proposal, and
once we vote on the proposal that's part of the deal.

-Bertrand

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Call for mentors: Zeta Components

2010-04-25 Thread Tobias Schlitt
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Hi all,

there was lots of positive feedback on our proposal to incubate Zeta
Components [1]. We sorted out some smaller issues and I think the
proposal is pretty complete now. Find the current state here:

http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ZetaComponentsProposal

However, we are still missing mentors to push this proposal forward.
Could anybody please raise his hand for this position? I can assure you,
we are really low maintenance. :)

In addition, I want to kindly ask the IPMC to sponsor our project.

Thanks in advance,
cheers,
Toby
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