Re: Documentation of voting rules.
On 2 December 2014 at 18:32, Matt Franklin m.ben.frank...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue Dec 02 2014 at 12:25:33 PM Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Apache PMCs, including the incubator PMC, operate by consensus except in a very small number of enumerated exceptional cases. So, the vote, I think, is a test of consensus. -1 votes block consensus until discussed to 0. There's no minimum number of +1 votes. For releases, 3 +1s are a minimum. The convention I have seen consistently applied is that -1s only count as vetos on code commits. There is no rule that a -1 on a process or release vote constitutes a block; however, the community *should* discuss the concerns of the dissenters and try to come to better consensus. I agree for releases, it clearly defined in the docs. But I dont think its fair to say that accepting a podling is a release. Personally I see it as any number of +1 and no -1, but again I still cannot find the documentation. rgds jan i. I am always prepared to be corrected. On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:09 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: Hi. I have just called for a vote on corinthia, and got a question about the voting rules from the project. I digged into the documentation, and all I can find is the fact that a vote has to be called. I cannot find a definition of the vote (yes I can find our general voting rules, but not which one applies in this case). Can someone please point me towards a document where it is defined, otherwise I suggest we change the documentation to make it clear. Thanks in advance. rgds jan I. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Documentation of voting rules.
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 6:17 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: ...Personally I see it as any number of +1 and no -1, but again I still cannot find the documentation... It's at http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Documentation of voting rules.
On 3 December 2014 at 18:25, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 6:17 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: ...Personally I see it as any number of +1 and no -1, but again I still cannot find the documentation... It's at http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html So accepting a podling is a procedural vote, maybe that the word we should add to http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#vote I did not think of procedural in this connection, but looking in the back mirror, of course it is. thanks jan i. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Documentation of voting rules.
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 6:31 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: ...So accepting a podling is a procedural vote, maybe that the word we should add to http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#vote... Yeah or maybe you can be even more precise and add procedural as per http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html; -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Documentation of voting rules.
Apache PMCs, including the incubator PMC, operate by consensus except in a very small number of enumerated exceptional cases. So, the vote, I think, is a test of consensus. -1 votes block consensus until discussed to 0. There's no minimum number of +1 votes. I am always prepared to be corrected. On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:09 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: Hi. I have just called for a vote on corinthia, and got a question about the voting rules from the project. I digged into the documentation, and all I can find is the fact that a vote has to be called. I cannot find a definition of the vote (yes I can find our general voting rules, but not which one applies in this case). Can someone please point me towards a document where it is defined, otherwise I suggest we change the documentation to make it clear. Thanks in advance. rgds jan I. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Documentation of voting rules.
On Tue Dec 02 2014 at 12:25:33 PM Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Apache PMCs, including the incubator PMC, operate by consensus except in a very small number of enumerated exceptional cases. So, the vote, I think, is a test of consensus. -1 votes block consensus until discussed to 0. There's no minimum number of +1 votes. For releases, 3 +1s are a minimum. The convention I have seen consistently applied is that -1s only count as vetos on code commits. There is no rule that a -1 on a process or release vote constitutes a block; however, the community *should* discuss the concerns of the dissenters and try to come to better consensus. I am always prepared to be corrected. On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:09 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: Hi. I have just called for a vote on corinthia, and got a question about the voting rules from the project. I digged into the documentation, and all I can find is the fact that a vote has to be called. I cannot find a definition of the vote (yes I can find our general voting rules, but not which one applies in this case). Can someone please point me towards a document where it is defined, otherwise I suggest we change the documentation to make it clear. Thanks in advance. rgds jan I. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Documentation of voting rules.
On 2 December 2014 at 18:24, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Apache PMCs, including the incubator PMC, operate by consensus except in a very small number of enumerated exceptional cases. So, the vote, I think, is a test of consensus. -1 votes block consensus until discussed to 0. There's no minimum number of +1 votes. That is also what I expect, but I would like to see it documented since we have cases where we use majority vote, and cases (like podling releases) where we demand minimum 3x +1. rgds jan i. I am always prepared to be corrected. On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:09 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: Hi. I have just called for a vote on corinthia, and got a question about the voting rules from the project. I digged into the documentation, and all I can find is the fact that a vote has to be called. I cannot find a definition of the vote (yes I can find our general voting rules, but not which one applies in this case). Can someone please point me towards a document where it is defined, otherwise I suggest we change the documentation to make it clear. Thanks in advance. rgds jan I. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
