Re: [MENTORS] Missing mentors and mentor report signoff
Hi, We also have a number of people that have signed off a lot of reports over that time. Here’ the top 10 by number off reports signed off: 34 Luciano Resende 30 Dave Fisher 29 Justin Mclean 28 Jim Jagielski 28 Alan Gates 27 John D. Ament 25 Willem Ning Jiang 25 Jean-Baptiste Onofre 18 P. Taylor Goetz 18 Julian Hyde Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[MENTORS] Missing mentors and mentor report signoff
Hi, I just had a look at the last two years of incubator repost and who hasn’t been signing off reports. There's a strong correlation between not signing reports off and missing mentors. Of course a mentor may be helping out in other ways but it a good indication that they may be missing. I think that missing a couple of reports is fine but if you missing more than 50% then I is quite possible you’re not paying attention to what is going on. There are 15 mentors who IMO have not been signing off reports on a regular basis and I’ll be sending them an email asking if they want to continue to be mentor for those podlings. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Missing Mentors
Provided OpenWhisk has another podling report before graduation. Otherwise, I’ll have missed out on sign offs entirely by joining too late. On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 23:36, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > I am twice on the report of I am one of the 13. I can't figure out how > to > > read this report very well. > > You’re fine, the 13 people I extracted from this I’ve not listed anywhere > public. They probably know who they are and hopefully decide what best for > their podlings if they are not being active. > > I think the biggest take away is last time we look at this I think there > was 70 odd mentors flagged as potentially missing. This is a huge > improvement aver last time, and possibly shows that mentors are being more > engaged and active. > > The report has some limitations: > - It’s parsed from the incubator reports so it can only go off what text > is in that. > - Som times it’s not 100% correct > - The podlings are listed form oldest to newest left to right. > - Orange mean you missed a sign-off, blue you signed off the report. > - It includes podlings that have graduated > - It includes people who are no longer mentors. > > Having dates of sign-offs would probably help and would separating > current podlings from graduated one and indicating where some one is no > longer a mentor, > > Thanks, > Justin > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- Matt Sicker
Re: Missing Mentors
Hi, > I am twice on the report of I am one of the 13. I can't figure out how to > read this report very well. You’re fine, the 13 people I extracted from this I’ve not listed anywhere public. They probably know who they are and hopefully decide what best for their podlings if they are not being active. I think the biggest take away is last time we look at this I think there was 70 odd mentors flagged as potentially missing. This is a huge improvement aver last time, and possibly shows that mentors are being more engaged and active. The report has some limitations: - It’s parsed from the incubator reports so it can only go off what text is in that. - Som times it’s not 100% correct - The podlings are listed form oldest to newest left to right. - Orange mean you missed a sign-off, blue you signed off the report. - It includes podlings that have graduated - It includes people who are no longer mentors. Having dates of sign-offs would probably help and would separating current podlings from graduated one and indicating where some one is no longer a mentor, Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Missing Mentors
I am twice on the report of I am one of the 13. I can't figure out how to read this report very well. On Thu, May 9, 2019, 23:33 Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > A while back we went though the process of identifying missing mentors and > t was discussion that there a good correlation between not signing off > reports and being missing. Whimsey has a page that tracks this [1]. > > From [1] I can see a number of mentors that have not been signing off > reports. Do people think it time to ask those mentor who are not being > active to either become more involved or step down? > > The good news is that with some mentors standing down (who appear on that > list), and some projects graduating there’s only only 13 mentors I’ve > identified that we need to check if they still want to continue or have the > time to help their podling out. That’s huge improvement over last time. > > There also seems to be another (slightly weaker correlation) that more > than 1/2 of these people have not signed up to the podlings private list. > Now mails can be read on list.apache.org but that’s probably another good > indicator along with not signing or reports and not checking releases. > > Thanks, > Justin > > > 1. https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/signoff.cgi > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Missing Mentors
Hi, A while back we went though the process of identifying missing mentors and t was discussion that there a good correlation between not signing off reports and being missing. Whimsey has a page that tracks this [1]. From [1] I can see a number of mentors that have not been signing off reports. Do people think it time to ask those mentor who are not being active to either become more involved or step down? The good news is that with some mentors standing down (who appear on that list), and some projects graduating there’s only only 13 mentors I’ve identified that we need to check if they still want to continue or have the time to help their podling out. That’s huge improvement over last time. There also seems to be another (slightly weaker correlation) that more than 1/2 of these people have not signed up to the podlings private list. Now mails can be read on list.apache.org but that’s probably another good indicator along with not signing or reports and not checking releases. Thanks, Justin 1. https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/signoff.cgi - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Podlings likely missing mentors
Hi Adam, Thanks for hat perspective it helps. The issue I think you may currently have in an inattentive PPMC, rather than a lack of mentors (although that may not also help), you have 10 people on the PPMC but they missed repeated enquires on the the dev and private lists. > The next big thing is the community release, we hope to make it done asap, > we studies hard to be familiar with the procedure and have made 5 release > candidates. We sent a release vote to general@ nearly a month ago, we still > need one more +1 but no feedback. Maybe it is also due to the lack of active > mentors. Mentors are IPMC member so their vote counts, but there usually enough IPMC members who vote on release that they don’t mentor, I’ve already voted so can’t vote twice. I would just ask again and emphasise how long the vote has been hanging. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Podlings likely missing mentors
Hi, Justin Just copy discussion in private@weex to this thread and explain our demands for extra active mentors. We sent a mail to all the mentors in May and only Willem responded. Missing active mentors is a big problem to Weex community and we mentioned it in last podling reports. > From late last year, we see some progress has been made within the community, > but definitely that is not enough. We held the 3rd WeexConf as well as the > meetup in Shenzhen during this year, which is widely acknowledged by the Weex > community and developers mainly from China; The activities in the mail list > has increased, but still varies time to time; and we have new contributors > from PayTM, Tencent and other companies, but still need more contribution to > be a committer; and the community release has been blocked by the Yoga > replacement, the work has been done recently and we are preparing for a new > release in the near future. > > From my perspective, this is still a young community and need to be > cultivated with your help. I’ve talked with the committers and main > contributors of this project, from them I see the enthusiasm and belief in > the open source and community, even they don’t quite know how exactly to make > things right under the Apache way, especially under such a pressure of their > job work. So I hope we can still receive your guidance as a mentor and > continue to help this project to graduate, if you still have time and passion > to follow up. The next big thing is the community release, we hope to make it done asap, we studies hard to be familiar with the procedure and have made 5 release candidates. We sent a release vote to general@ nearly a month ago, we still need one more +1 but no feedback. Maybe it is also due to the lack of active mentors. So we will be very appreciated if anyone would like to be our mentor and help us with the incubating journey. Thanks. Adam Feng 在 2018年10月4日 +0800 PM10:47，Josh Elser ，写道： > Well, then. Mark that up as my "one" for the year ;) > > Thanks boss. > > On 10/3/18 7:19 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > > Hi, > > > > That was put in to see if anyone was paying attention:-) > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > > > > On 4 Oct. 2018 9:17 am, "Josh Elser" wrote: > > > > Justin -- I thought we retired the Slider podling. Going off my mail > > client, INFRA-16568 tracked this and was done at the end of May. > > > > Maybe some podling metadata didn't get cleaned up fully? > > > > > > On 10/2/18 6:36 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Here the list of podlings that currently have one or two mentors in their > > roster: > > > Annotator > > > Daffodil > > > Milagro > > > Myriad > > > ODF toolkit > > > Pony mail > > > Quickstep > > > S2Graph > > > Spot > > > Superset > > > Tamaya > > > Unomi > > > Warble > > > > > > And the list that are likely to have only one or two active mentors: > > > Airflow > > > Batchee > > > Crail > > > Edgent > > > Hivemail > > > Omid > > > Openwhisk > > > Samoa > > > Sdap > > > Sensoft > > > Servicecomb > > > Slider > > > Tephra > > > Toree > > > Weex > > > > > > It seems that 3 mentors tend to work well. Now it may be that there are > > reasons that having only one or two mentors is fine as: > > > - The project is about to retire or graduate > > > - They are very active mentors > > > - The podling doesn't need much help > > > > > > I believe the reason 3 mentor were originally needed was to get incubator > > votes on releases through which has become less of an issue now, although > > we currently still have some outstanding votes. > > > > > > Do any of the podlings listed above think they need an extra mentor? Or > > do other mentors on those projects think another is required? A few e.g. > > (Annotator, Daffodil, Milagro) have been discussed already. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Justin > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >
Re: Podlings likely missing mentors
Well, then. Mark that up as my "one" for the year ;) Thanks boss. On 10/3/18 7:19 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: Hi, That was put in to see if anyone was paying attention:-) Thanks, Justin On 4 Oct. 2018 9:17 am, "Josh Elser" wrote: Justin -- I thought we retired the Slider podling. Going off my mail client, INFRA-16568 tracked this and was done at the end of May. Maybe some podling metadata didn't get cleaned up fully? On 10/2/18 6:36 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: Hi, Here the list of podlings that currently have one or two mentors in their roster: Annotator Daffodil Milagro Myriad ODF toolkit Pony mail Quickstep S2Graph Spot Superset Tamaya Unomi Warble And the list that are likely to have only one or two active mentors: Airflow Batchee Crail Edgent Hivemail Omid Openwhisk Samoa Sdap Sensoft Servicecomb Slider Tephra Toree Weex It seems that 3 mentors tend to work well. Now it may be that there are reasons that having only one or two mentors is fine as: - The project is about to retire or graduate - They are very active mentors - The podling doesn't need much help I believe the reason 3 mentor were originally needed was to get incubator votes on releases through which has become less of an issue now, although we currently still have some outstanding votes. Do any of the podlings listed above think they need an extra mentor? Or do other mentors on those projects think another is required? A few e.g. (Annotator, Daffodil, Milagro) have been discussed already. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Podlings likely missing mentors
Hi, That was put in to see if anyone was paying attention:-) Thanks, Justin On 4 Oct. 2018 9:17 am, "Josh Elser" wrote: Justin -- I thought we retired the Slider podling. Going off my mail client, INFRA-16568 tracked this and was done at the end of May. Maybe some podling metadata didn't get cleaned up fully? On 10/2/18 6:36 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > Here the list of podlings that currently have one or two mentors in their roster: > Annotator > Daffodil > Milagro > Myriad > ODF toolkit > Pony mail > Quickstep > S2Graph > Spot > Superset > Tamaya > Unomi > Warble > > And the list that are likely to have only one or two active mentors: > Airflow > Batchee > Crail > Edgent > Hivemail > Omid > Openwhisk > Samoa > Sdap > Sensoft > Servicecomb > Slider > Tephra > Toree > Weex > > It seems that 3 mentors tend to work well. Now it may be that there are reasons that having only one or two mentors is fine as: > - The project is about to retire or graduate > - They are very active mentors > - The podling doesn't need much help > > I believe the reason 3 mentor were originally needed was to get incubator votes on releases through which has become less of an issue now, although we currently still have some outstanding votes. > > Do any of the podlings listed above think they need an extra mentor? Or do other mentors on those projects think another is required? A few e.g. (Annotator, Daffodil, Milagro) have been discussed already. > > Thanks, > Justin > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Podlings likely missing mentors
Justin -- I thought we retired the Slider podling. Going off my mail client, INFRA-16568 tracked this and was done at the end of May. Maybe some podling metadata didn't get cleaned up fully? On 10/2/18 6:36 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: Hi, Here the list of podlings that currently have one or two mentors in their roster: Annotator Daffodil Milagro Myriad ODF toolkit Pony mail Quickstep S2Graph Spot Superset Tamaya Unomi Warble And the list that are likely to have only one or two active mentors: Airflow Batchee Crail Edgent Hivemail Omid Openwhisk Samoa Sdap Sensoft Servicecomb Slider Tephra Toree Weex It seems that 3 mentors tend to work well. Now it may be that there are reasons that having only one or two mentors is fine as: - The project is about to retire or graduate - They are very active mentors - The podling doesn't need much help I believe the reason 3 mentor were originally needed was to get incubator votes on releases through which has become less of an issue now, although we currently still have some outstanding votes. Do any of the podlings listed above think they need an extra mentor? Or do other mentors on those projects think another is required? A few e.g. (Annotator, Daffodil, Milagro) have been discussed already. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Podlings likely missing mentors
Hi Justin, On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 12:39 AM wrote: > From: Justin Mclean > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 08:36:52 +1000 > Subject: Podlings likely missing mentors > Hi, > > [snip] > > Do any of the podlings listed above think they need an extra mentor? Or do > other mentors on those projects think another is required? A few e.g. > (Annotator, Daffodil, Milagro) have been discussed already. > > I think SensSoft could do with another Mentor. We are approaching some rebranding issues, we also wish to really get going on graduation and another set of eyes on the podling at this critical stage would be very helpful indeed. Lewis
Podlings likely missing mentors
Hi, Here the list of podlings that currently have one or two mentors in their roster: Annotator Daffodil Milagro Myriad ODF toolkit Pony mail Quickstep S2Graph Spot Superset Tamaya Unomi Warble And the list that are likely to have only one or two active mentors: Airflow Batchee Crail Edgent Hivemail Omid Openwhisk Samoa Sdap Sensoft Servicecomb Slider Tephra Toree Weex It seems that 3 mentors tend to work well. Now it may be that there are reasons that having only one or two mentors is fine as: - The project is about to retire or graduate - They are very active mentors - The podling doesn't need much help I believe the reason 3 mentor were originally needed was to get incubator votes on releases through which has become less of an issue now, although we currently still have some outstanding votes. Do any of the podlings listed above think they need an extra mentor? Or do other mentors on those projects think another is required? A few e.g. (Annotator, Daffodil, Milagro) have been discussed already. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
