Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2
Toback, Steve wrote: As far as I can tell, we have our paperwork in, name chosen, and proposal accepted. Is there anything else we need at this point in order to get our space as a podling and begin growing our community? Not alot you can do but thank you for some help in composing the starting page info lokahi.xml. It's committed and now accessible to all. Going to catch a few Zzzzs and issue account and resource requests all over again in the morning, now that I think I grok which hoops they prefer we leap through and in which order. Please review and point out any errors; http://incubator.apache.org/projects/lokahi.html (this may take some time before it's synced.) Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re-Ping ... I would be very interested to see one of the mentors come out of the Tomcat community, itself, because I believe that would forge further Unity in the growth and direction of Lokahi. But certainly any ASF member who's interested in this sort of management framework would be welcome as a co-mentor. The list won't be provisioned until tomorrow, so there is still this window of opportunity to be a charter Mentor. Thanks for giving this role your consideration. If you prefer to reserve judgement until the initial code drop, and some further illustrations of what this project does, I'd certainly understand, and encourage you at least to subscribe to the mailing list, once provisioned, from the beginning. Yours, Bill William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Mads Toftum wrote: I'm sorry, but I'll have to withdraw my offer to help mentoring this project. Understandable, and thanks for being honest with the time you can commit... it's probably the hardest thing for dedicated voulenteers to do. With that said, are there others with the energy to help mentor this new podling? While the contributing authors/starting community has lived and breathed open source software for years, participating in the process is always a learning curve, and another mentor or Few would be welcomed, no matter if you are coming at this with an eye on the underlying Java application, the integration with various ASF projects, or on a high level of nurturing the community. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, I'll sign up as a mentor. I'm busy with a new job, but will make a best effort here as this is (a) an area of personal interest, and (b) something that I think is really important to the Tomcat community. Yoav On 3/1/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re-Ping ... I would be very interested to see one of the mentors come out of the Tomcat community, itself, because I believe that would forge further Unity in the growth and direction of Lokahi. But certainly any ASF member who's interested in this sort of management framework would be welcome as a co-mentor. The list won't be provisioned until tomorrow, so there is still this window of opportunity to be a charter Mentor. Thanks for giving this role your consideration. If you prefer to reserve judgement until the initial code drop, and some further illustrations of what this project does, I'd certainly understand, and encourage you at least to subscribe to the mailing list, once provisioned, from the beginning. Yours, Bill William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Mads Toftum wrote: I'm sorry, but I'll have to withdraw my offer to help mentoring this project. Understandable, and thanks for being honest with the time you can commit... it's probably the hardest thing for dedicated voulenteers to do. With that said, are there others with the energy to help mentor this new podling? While the contributing authors/starting community has lived and breathed open source software for years, participating in the process is always a learning curve, and another mentor or Few would be welcomed, no matter if you are coming at this with an eye on the underlying Java application, the integration with various ASF projects, or on a high level of nurturing the community. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Yoav Shapira Senior Architect Nimalex LLC 1 Mifflin Place, Suite 310 Cambridge, MA, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Toback, Steve wrote: As far as I can tell, we have our paperwork in, name chosen, and proposal accepted. Is there anything else we need at this point in order to get our space as a podling and begin growing our community? Not alot you can do but thank you for some help in composing the starting page info lokahi.xml. It's committed and now accessible to all. Going to catch a few Zzzzs and issue account and resource requests all over again in the morning, now that I think I grok which hoops they prefer we leap through and in which order. ... Are you able to add any suggestions to the docs? http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Setting+Up+a+New+Podling http://www.apache.org/dev/reporting-issues.html -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2
As far as I can tell, we have our paperwork in, name chosen, and proposal accepted. Is there anything else we need at this point in order to get our space as a podling and begin growing our community? Steve -Original Message- From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 5:40 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: I personally find googling a project far more useful, and there appear to be no conflicts with your new proposal, other than the fact that another project, Echo, seems to have floated the same potential name. As long as we clarify with them that they haven't/won't adopt that project name we should be fine. http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/NameFinalVoteArchive?action=highlightv alue=Lokahi For anyone concerned that pie/echo/atom would ever be named Lokahi, this post put that concern to rest. Their objection to the name on the basis of pronounciation is fun :) I wouldn't worry about that concern, this is the single cleanest project name I've ever come across, and seriously doubt we will have any future conflicts. With that resolved I'll add projects/lokahi.xml to svn shortly. Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp Dohme or MSD and in Japan, as Banyu) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: I personally find googling a project far more useful, and there appear to be no conflicts with your new proposal, other than the fact that another project, Echo, seems to have floated the same potential name. As long as we clarify with them that they haven't/won't adopt that project name we should be fine. http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/NameFinalVoteArchive?action=highlightvalue=Lokahi For anyone concerned that pie/echo/atom would ever be named Lokahi, this post put that concern to rest. Their objection to the name on the basis of pronounciation is fun :) I wouldn't worry about that concern, this is the single cleanest project name I've ever come across, and seriously doubt we will have any future conflicts. With that resolved I'll add projects/lokahi.xml to svn shortly. Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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very interesting- glad to be able to move on to the next steps cheers, -neil -Original Message- From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 2/17/2006 5:39 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: I personally find googling a project far more useful, and there appear to be no conflicts with your new proposal, other than the fact that another project, Echo, seems to have floated the same potential name. As long as we clarify with them that they haven't/won't adopt that project name we should be fine. http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/NameFinalVoteArchive?action=highlightvalue=Lokahi For anyone concerned that pie/echo/atom would ever be named Lokahi, this post put that concern to rest. Their objection to the name on the basis of pronounciation is fun :) I wouldn't worry about that concern, this is the single cleanest project name I've ever come across, and seriously doubt we will have any future conflicts. With that resolved I'll add projects/lokahi.xml to svn shortly. Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp Dohme or MSD and in Japan, as Banyu) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm sorry to report, as I was preparing projects/ohana.xml, that I've come across http://www.cfht.hawaii.edu/Instruments/Elixir/Ohana/ in a simple search of ohana program on google :-/ Brings up another question, why are we still pointing our template.xml for the project to look at nameprotect.com, when that now seems to be a paid only service? At least the uspto.gov TESS site is free. So looking on TESS, 76185236 OHANA and 76185337 OHANA PLUS are marks by Ceira Technologies, now abandonded. 75934759 OHANA FOUNDATION is the mark by Ohana Foundation for Technical Development, now abandonded. There are several more marks with OHANA that are live but don't affect software. However, there is one technical mark, 78594546 CALL OHANA which could become an issue, as it's in a not-too-distant family. If this project were a multiword project name, I think we shouldn't have any issues. Is Apache Ohana enough of a multiword mark, though? Bill Stein, Neil S wrote: Seems as though no one has any objections to Ohana. Neil Stein -Original Message- From: Stein, Neil S Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 7:48 AM To: 'general@incubator.apache.org' Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 As I've said it before, TMC doesn't do the trick for me - plain MC would do better to remove the Tomcat reference and eventually avoid Apache The ... Of the two alternatives, I think the second is the better choice. Sounds like the TMC name is out, Ohana is currently the front runner, additional comments are appreciated. Cheers, -neil -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp Dohme or MSD and in Japan, as Banyu) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2/15/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: project name, I think we shouldn't have any issues. Is Apache Ohana enough of a multiword mark, though? I believe so. -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/NameItEchoConflict :) We should probably check with that group that they discarded that choice. Stein, Neil S wrote: If Ohana proves to have enough negative drivers, The name can go to Apache Lokahi Which translates to harmony and unity. http://rosasay.typepad.com/mwacalendar/2005/03/lkahi.html Neil Stein phone -- 908-423-4297 -Original Message- From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:17 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org; Stein, Neil S Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 Beyond the mark issue, it really seems like there are far too many hits on Ohana project, Ohana software e.t.c. to easily distinguish this name. Does anyone else consider this a showstopper and time to pick another name? Neil, what are your thoughts, as it's primary champion? Bill Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On 2/15/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: project name, I think we shouldn't have any issues. Is Apache Ohana enough of a multiword mark, though? I believe so. -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp Dohme or MSD and in Japan, as Banyu) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm sorry, but I'll have to withdraw my offer to help mentoring this project. I need to focus my energy elsewhere and do not wish to spend time on incubator in its current form - please note that it has nothing to do with TMCg2. vh Mads Toftum -- `Darn it, who spiked my coffee with water?!' - lwall - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi -- I guess I am a little confused. It is very possible that any name can fall into an area that may conflict. Are the guidelines or a branding process for new projects? -Original Message- From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 2/15/2006 3:45 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/NameItEchoConflict :) We should probably check with that group that they discarded that choice. Stein, Neil S wrote: If Ohana proves to have enough negative drivers, The name can go to Apache Lokahi Which translates to harmony and unity. http://rosasay.typepad.com/mwacalendar/2005/03/lkahi.html Neil Stein phone -- 908-423-4297 -Original Message- From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:17 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org; Stein, Neil S Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 Beyond the mark issue, it really seems like there are far too many hits on Ohana project, Ohana software e.t.c. to easily distinguish this name. Does anyone else consider this a showstopper and time to pick another name? Neil, what are your thoughts, as it's primary champion? Bill Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On 2/15/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: project name, I think we shouldn't have any issues. Is Apache Ohana enough of a multiword mark, though? I believe so. -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp Dohme or MSD and in Japan, as Banyu) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Great, thanks for the details. -neil -Original Message- From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 2/15/2006 5:57 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 The current guidelines are simply to avoid clashes, adn that guideline cited the nameprotect.com utility which is now a pay-for-use facility. I personally find googling a project far more useful, and there appear to be no conflicts with your new proposal, other than the fact that another project, Echo, seems to have floated the same potential name. As long as we clarify with them that they haven't/won't adopt that project name we should be fine. The end goal is little to no ambiguity when someone googles a given ASF project, after hearing something about it that attracts their interest. We don't want any project to be lost in the noise. Bill Stein, Neil S wrote: hi -- I guess I am a little confused. It is very possible that any name can fall into an area that may conflict. Are the guidelines or a branding process for new projects? -Original Message- From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 2/15/2006 3:45 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/NameItEchoConflict :) We should probably check with that group that they discarded that choice. Stein, Neil S wrote: If Ohana proves to have enough negative drivers, The name can go to Apache Lokahi Which translates to harmony and unity. http://rosasay.typepad.com/mwacalendar/2005/03/lkahi.html Neil Stein phone -- 908-423-4297 -Original Message- From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:17 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org; Stein, Neil S Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 Beyond the mark issue, it really seems like there are far too many hits on Ohana project, Ohana software e.t.c. to easily distinguish this name. Does anyone else consider this a showstopper and time to pick another name? Neil, what are your thoughts, as it's primary champion? Bill Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On 2/15/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: project name, I think we shouldn't have any issues. Is Apache Ohana enough of a multiword mark, though? I believe so. -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp Dohme or MSD and in Japan, as Banyu) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp Dohme or MSD and in Japan, as Banyu) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Stein, Neil S wrote: If Ohana proves to have enough negative drivers, The name can go to Apache Lokahi Which translates to harmony and unity. http://rosasay.typepad.com/mwacalendar/2005/03/lkahi.html Other than the one link which was not apparently adopted, and several community/pen pal projects somewhat specific to HI US, there is absolutely no collision with Lokahi in the TESS uspto database. I say let's fly with it, but will wait till later tomorrow evening to commit the .xml file, so if there are any other comments we have a chance to hear them. FYI - I do like the name :) Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Seems as though no one has any objections to Ohana. Neil Stein -Original Message- From: Stein, Neil S Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 7:48 AM To: 'general@incubator.apache.org' Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 As I've said it before, TMC doesn't do the trick for me - plain MC would do better to remove the Tomcat reference and eventually avoid Apache The ... Of the two alternatives, I think the second is the better choice. Sounds like the TMC name is out, Ohana is currently the front runner, additional comments are appreciated. Cheers, -neil -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp Dohme or MSD and in Japan, as Banyu) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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As I've said it before, TMC doesn't do the trick for me - plain MC would do better to remove the Tomcat reference and eventually avoid Apache The ... Of the two alternatives, I think the second is the better choice. Sounds like the TMC name is out, Ohana is currently the front runner, additional comments are appreciated. Cheers, -neil Neil Stein Enterprise Web Infrastructure phone -- 908-423-4297 BlackBerry -- 908-403-6988 -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp Dohme or MSD and in Japan, as Banyu) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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We should also review http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200508.mbox/%3c43 [EMAIL PROTECTED], and see if we can involve those folks, too. My recollection of the discussion from ApacheCon EU was that there was quite an enthusiastic discussion over the idea of a pluggable, extensible, portal-based project for managing all sorts of server-side resources, including accounts, mailing lists, services, and whatever else some developer wanted to write a plug-in to support. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At Merck, the name TMC originally stood for Tomcat Management Console As the tool set evolved, the ability to manage Apache httpd was added. The full name simply was changed to The Management Console. The g2 is a Merck item and should very well be dropped. We have been evaluating other names, and I would like to propose Kowa An Apache dwelling consisting of a dome shaped frame of cottonwood or other poles, and thatched with grass. The house itself was termed, Kowa and the grass thatch, Pi. Neil Stein Enterprise Web Infrastructure phone -- 908-423-4297 -Original Message- From: Mads Toftum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:01 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 11:30:01PM -0600, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: A final concern was raised, TMCg2 stands for (???). I've read it as 'The Management Console generation 2'. Now from an OSS standpoint, there's no first generation, so I'd suggest dropping the g2 designation. But was I badly mistaken? Someone's suggested that the M is Merck, but I've seen no such ref. I tend to agree that the name isn't very good. TMC is not a very good choice either - Apache The ... wouldn't really work. It would be nice to find something more appropriate before starting to create too many mailing lists. vh Mads Toftum -- `Darn it, who spiked my coffee with water?!' - lwall - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp Dohme or MSD and in Japan, as Banyu) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hola, and I would like to propose Kowa An Apache dwelling consisting of a dome shaped frame of cottonwood or other poles, and thatched with grass. The house itself was termed, Kowa and the grass thatch, Pi. Mmm... We've had some discussions [1, and numerous others] in the past about using names from the Native American culture, and there are mixed opinions regarding political correctness and so forth. It'd be nice to have an alternative. [1] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-generalw=2r=1s=native+americanq=b -- Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management Cambridge, MA, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] / www.yoavshapira.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, It'd be nice to have an alternative. Point taken An alternate would be Ohana --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohana Neil Stein Enterprise Web Infrastructure phone -- 908-423-4297 -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp Dohme or MSD and in Japan, as Banyu) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Stein, Neil S wrote: Hi, It'd be nice to have an alternative. Point taken An alternate would be Ohana --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohana Although TMC is fairly bland (and therefore, fine ;-) I rather like both of the proposed alternatives. Kowa, unlike alot of other Native American names proposed on this list, is simply the name for a structure, so I don't find it offensive. That said, I'm neither Native American nor Native Hawaiian ;-) Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 02:45:52PM -0600, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Although TMC is fairly bland (and therefore, fine ;-) I rather like both of the proposed alternatives. Kowa, unlike alot of other Native American names proposed on this list, is simply the name for a structure, so I don't find it offensive. As I've said it before, TMC doesn't do the trick for me - plain MC would do better to remove the Tomcat reference and eventually avoid Apache The ... Of the two alternatives, I think the second is the better choice. vh Mads Toftum -- `Darn it, who spiked my coffee with water?!' - lwall - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 11:30:01PM -0600, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: A final concern was raised, TMCg2 stands for (???). I've read it as 'The Management Console generation 2'. Now from an OSS standpoint, there's no first generation, so I'd suggest dropping the g2 designation. But was I badly mistaken? Someone's suggested that the M is Merck, but I've seen no such ref. I tend to agree that the name isn't very good. TMC is not a very good choice either - Apache The ... wouldn't really work. It would be nice to find something more appropriate before starting to create too many mailing lists. vh Mads Toftum -- `Darn it, who spiked my coffee with water?!' - lwall - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2
To publish the initial page the following need to be threshed out... Stein, Neil S wrote: At this time I would like to propose the adoption of the TMCg2 as an incubator project under the ASF. Community: [Snip] Need names here, including those who plan to actually participate from beyond the original committer base. Include those without CLA's - that can be dealt with (and updated) next. There is concerned that this is a two man project (which obviously, it's not, but that was the original posting.) If you have names, they should be added now (and subscribe to the -dev list upon creation.) 3.1 mailing list(s) * tmcg2-ppmc * tmcg2-dev * tmcg2-commits * tmcg2-user For the moment, we need only -ppmc, -dev and -commits, we can add -user after the initial evaluation tarball. That list name would change of course once the project graduated, confusing users further. 3.2 Subversion repository * [WWW] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/tmcg2 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/tmcg2 Prior to any initial import, this should be made available at least to ASF members for review; Roy notes that sf.net/projects/tmcg2/ contains no code. Can we publish this? I can place it in an incubator PMC-only repository for all PMC or ASF members to consider before import/adoption. * tmcg2 (TMCg2) Mentors: Bill Rowe Jim Jagielski Add Mads to that list of course. Jim, since your offer was quite some time ago ... ping, are you still interested in mentoring? A final concern was raised, TMCg2 stands for (???). I've read it as 'The Management Console generation 2'. Now from an OSS standpoint, there's no first generation, so I'd suggest dropping the g2 designation. But was I badly mistaken? Someone's suggested that the M is Merck, but I've seen no such ref. Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2]
On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 11:15:25PM -0800, Roy Fielding wrote: The proposal was voted +1 by four of the most over-committed members of the ASF. The mentors are already mentoring other podlings. Mads offered to mentor as well, which seems to have been lost in the process. I didn't intend for my +1 to count as being a mentor. Just that the proposal looked fine to me. *shrug* -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 11:15:25PM -0800, Roy Fielding wrote: The proposal was voted +1 by four of the most over-committed members of the ASF. The mentors are already mentoring other podlings. Mads offered to mentor as well, which seems to have been lost in the process. I didn't intend for my +1 to count as being a mentor. Just that the proposal looked fine to me. *shrug* -- justin I didn't think you had, at least you never expressed that to me ;-) Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2]
Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 8:15 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Final Results of incubation vote; Votes +1; wrowe, mads, jerenkrantz, jimjag, geirm Votes -1; [none] As such the project is accepted for incubation. The proposal was never added to the wiki. Correct, I've never added a project to the wiki prior to a vote for adoption. It's never been pointed out to me before either shrug, and was the reason to create the ppmc discussion list to drive 'filling in the blanks'. [more on this below] AFAICT, the proposal consists of two committers and the product is named after their company. Actually five original committers are mentioned, three of which are still in the process of returning their CLA's. It also consists of a number of individuals (mostly admin-type folks with some development background) who expressed interest in contributing to the project, to Neil at AC San Diego. Dunno if those individuals should be considered now, or wait until they post the appropriate number of patches to merit project membership shrug. As far as the name, you and I came to different conclusions, I've pinged the list w.r.t. that question. The SourceForge site consists of nothing but a whitepaper without any meaningful content -- just a set of goals and a list of results. This is a complete framework; invitations to view it in operation on living, breathing infrastructure were made a day in advance, at ApacheCon, and there were about 4 others in attendance (sorry I didn't make a sign in sheet to record whom) as well as a few ASF members including Mads and I. I agree and addressed your question about source code review in another thread. The proposal was voted +1 by four of the most over-committed members of the ASF. The mentors are already mentoring other podlings. Mads offered to mentor as well, which seems to have been lost in the process. Howso? He offered in a subsequent thread, and is listed as ppmc moderator in the Jira -ppmc list request form. In fact we would even appreciate another ASF member at any time who offered to step up and help co-mentor. And I've asked in another thread if Jim's original offer still stands, the project would certainly correspond to his long history in server administration. [That said, I view any ASF member participating on any incubator project as yet another mentor.] How did you guys come to the conclusion that this belongs at Apache? Speaking for myself alone... One very common theme in administering ASF software is 'how come there is no ASF project to administer this thing?' There are a couple of exceptions to this theme, the Tomcat Management applet being one example. This project already plugs into httpd and Tomcat, so it already breaks the threshold of 'just another X project management tool', and has been presented as an extensible framework. I know from conversations at AC that the developers envision other ASF projects choosing (or not) to plug into this framework, to manage additional technologies. Are you prepared for the commitment required to incubate a group that has zero Apache experience? Yup. They've been using Apache for years, so understand the 'concept' from the inception of this idea (long before I heard of it.) Obviously that does not translate 1:1 into understanding participation, so there is work to be done. That's an incremental task, not a 'lay it all down at once' sort of chore. If it were that easy, we wouldn't need mentors, we'd just RTFM them. How many new proposers hang on on infra for a couple months, soaking in the process, and then drop into our Hackathon space to say hello and address folks face-to-face? 'zero' is most definately an exageration. Is this going to be another stdcxx, where the mentors failed to handle the basic incubation tasks? [snipped reply] Feel free to post a thread under either general@ or stdcxx-pmc@ forums, and we would be happy to discuss each and every concern you have with the progress, or lack thereof, in stdcxx. This troll doesn't merit further comment on this thread of TMCg2. As an argument w.r.t. the proposal on hand, null cross references to stdcxx are off base. I certainly don't remember any STDCXX complaints from you, previously. More mentors and oversite to that podling are always welcome, and glad to have you aboard, if you care to help. I don't see it. If you think this is under incubation, then you need to start by creating a status page that reflects the actual resources being requested and by whom. After that, I suggest you find out the actual list of committers. *That* is fair. I'm happy to create the wiki page now, list out the (initial) resources we are creating or requesting, list out the initial participants, and move forward from there. That's a good standard operating procedure. Waiting on feedback, and I'm sure you are too, to my questions just posted this evening. Welcome to the discussion w.r.t. TMCg2; we would have
Re: [Fwd: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2]
On Sunday 08 January 2006 15:15, Roy T. Fielding wrote: I don't see it. If you think this is under incubation, then you need to start by creating a status page that reflects the actual resources being requested and by whom. After that, I suggest you find out the actual list of committers. Does this means that we are likely to see some increased requirements for projects to enter incubation?? * Multiple mentors? * +1 vote indicating true commitment of resources? * Limited number of podlings under one's mentorship? * Multiple instances of approval? * Stronger ties within the ASF? * Lesser ties with commercial interests? * Bigger differentiation of podlings initial entry point? Personally, I think something is required to change, and especially about mentorship. Some projects under incubation has good mentors, in others they seem fairly 'quiet' and sometimes other people are providing the actual mentoring. Cheers Niclas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2]
On Jan 7, 2006, at 8:15 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Final Results of incubation vote; Votes +1; wrowe, mads, jerenkrantz, jimjag, geirm Votes -1; [none] As such the project is accepted for incubation. *shrug* The proposal was never added to the wiki. AFAICT, the proposal consists of two committers and the product is named after their company. The SourceForge site consists of nothing but a whitepaper without any meaningful content -- just a set of goals and a list of results. The proposal was voted +1 by four of the most over-committed members of the ASF. The mentors are already mentoring other podlings. Mads offered to mentor as well, which seems to have been lost in the process. How did you guys come to the conclusion that this belongs at Apache? Are you prepared for the commitment required to incubate a group that has zero Apache experience? Is this going to be another stdcxx, where the mentors failed to handle the basic incubation tasks? I don't see it. If you think this is under incubation, then you need to start by creating a status page that reflects the actual resources being requested and by whom. After that, I suggest you find out the actual list of committers. Roy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2
It's been 6 days since the introduction to this project at ApacheCon, and two weeks, today, since it was proposed. Votes +1; wrowe, mads, jerenkrantz, jimjag Votes -1; [none] I'll give this one last day to stew, and without further objection, will call the vote and begin creating the incubation-infra for this new crew, along with my co-mentor Mads. Thanks to all who've given this proposal their consideration (w or w/o email)! Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2
On Dec 17, 2005, at 10:07 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 09:28:29AM -0500, Stein, Neil S wrote: plan. At this time I would like to propose the adoption of the TMCg2 as an incubator project under the ASF. +1. -- justin +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2
Stein, Neil S wrote: To allow my team to manage an ever growing range of web assets, we have developed a web based tool set to manage the entire web infrastructure. Throughout the development of the tool set, the idea of releasing it back to the community that has provided me with so many wonderful tools has always been part of the project plan. At this time I would like to propose the adoption of the TMCg2 as an incubator project under the ASF. Neil, and incubator PMC, * I'm happy to serve as mentor on this project. * You mentioned an initial development community of approx 10 specific folks from 5 -different- organizations, I find that a promising start. [Most of these contributions take some time to attract a broader community.] * The scope of the project is impressive; it will be interesting to keep it sufficiently modular so that it scales to the user's interests and needs. [It seems the shortcoming of most such tools is that they 1) try to do too much or 2) don't scale effectively to attract a broad community.] * The module has a tie to Oracle and future tie to MySQL - there are licensing issues about what dependencies we can distribute, but these issues can be addressed during incubation. All in all, I vote +1 to accept this project into incubation, and I thank you for offering this project to the ASF. Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2
On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 04:58:54PM -0800, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Neil, and incubator PMC, * I'm happy to serve as mentor on this project. I would be too if there is a need for an additional mentor. All in all, I vote +1 to accept this project into incubation, and I thank you for offering this project to the ASF. +1 (from the peanut gallery) vh Mads Toftum -- `Darn it, who spiked my coffee with water?!' - lwall - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
